Seatbelts in the Supreme Court!

Yahzi · 5th March 2003, 07:26 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/...907229,00.html

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The matter will now almost certainly end up in the Supreme Court, one of whose members, Justice Anontin Scalia, last year said in a speech in Chicago: "The more Christian a country is, the less likely it is to regard the death penalty as immoral.

"Abolition has taken its strongest hold in post-Christian Europe, and has least support in the church-going United States. I attribute that to the fact that, for the believing Christian, death is no big deal."

More people behaving as if they actually expected the afterlife.

Of course, Scalia's position is self-contradictory, since the execution of an unsaved criminal ought to be a big deal, and the Xian response ought to be to grant life in prison so the person has the best possible chance to be saved, but really, what role does logic have in setting the policy of a Supreme Court Judge?

5th March 2003, 08:14 PM

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More people behaving as if they actually expected the afterlife.
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When you're >80, you'll probably change your mind.

6th March 2003, 03:36 AM

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Originally posted by Whodini
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More people behaving as if they actually expected the afterlife.
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When you're >80, you'll probably change your mind.

This view is based upon what? Just curious.

scotth · 6th March 2003, 05:35 AM

I was looking for something about seatbelts, per the title of the thread.

Are seatbelts a code word for death penalty that I am unaware of, or is this thread just poorly titled?

Gregor · 6th March 2003, 05:43 AM

. . . it's a long story.

scotth · 6th March 2003, 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gregor
. . . it's a long story.

"It's a long story" would be more helpful if it was prefaced with either of the two phrases:

"It's a code word, but.."

"It's not a code word, but..."

Gregor · 6th March 2003, 06:01 AM

It was about a debate months ago concerning whether xians were seat belts.

scotth · 6th March 2003, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gregor
It was about a debate months ago concerning whether xians were seat belts.

Thanks.

FireGarden · 6th March 2003, 07:44 AM

Quote:

More people behaving as if they actually expected the afterlife

But wait!
If you believe in the afterlife, why punish murderers at all?
Surely an honest Christian must reward a murderer. "Hey, Thanks for slaughtering my family and sending them to heaven - here's a million dollars"

Do you suppose:
People pick their behaviour and then try to explain why it isn't contradictory to their beliefs? Beliefs like
"Vengence belongs to the Lord"
"Thou shall not kill"

Who died and made Christians God?

(Oh, and Gregor means "wear" rather than "were")

arcticpenguin · 6th March 2003, 07:45 AM

At the very center of Christian faith is an application of the death penalty, the crucifixion of Jesus. So of course the death penalty is a good thing.

6th March 2003, 08:02 AM

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Originally posted by Smalso

This view is based upon what? Just curious.

Although it is not a rule, the majority of people, as they approach death, shift their thinking towards more spiritual matters.

When young and in good health, etc., why bother?

Segnosaur · 6th March 2003, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Whodini

Although it is not a rule, the majority of people, as they approach death, shift their thinking towards more spiritual matters.

This reminds me of the old thread that "All athiests call out to god on their death bed" threads (started by either Jedi or Franko).

Where do you get the idea that a 'majority' do? And how do you defind 'shift their thinking'?

If you want to claim that older people go to church more often, that might make some sense. (But then, they probably believed in the afterlife to begin with.) Or are you claming that non-believers become believers when they get older?

6th March 2003, 09:19 AM

Smegmasaur,

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Where do you get the idea that a 'majority' do? And how do you defind 'shift their thinking'?
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Observation.

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Or are you claming that non-believers become believers when they get older?
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No Megasoreass,

Just that they start to think more about that type of stuff.

Akots · 6th March 2003, 09:36 AM

I sense a Francoist distortion of names in the thread...

Skeptical Greg · 6th March 2003, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Whodini
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More people behaving as if they actually expected the afterlife.
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When you're >80, you'll probably change your mind.

Oh, No! Please, Yahzi, not a new thread, about why people >80 shouldn't wear seatbelts..

Skeptical Greg · 6th March 2003, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Akots
I sense a Francoist distortion of names in the thread...

You haven't been to the Pranko school of name distortion?

Whatdini, obviously has...

Upchurch · 6th March 2003, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Akots
I sense a Francoist distortion of names in the thread...

Well, there is also the matter of convention to consider. We've pretty much standardized use of terms like "TLOP" or "Borb". "Seatbelts" is sort of an internal slang or jargon thrown around on this board.

I wouldn't say it's a bad thing, just a short cut.

FireGarden · 6th March 2003, 10:50 AM

"Christians", said Yahzi, "All yearn for a life
in a heaven thats free from all trouble and strife.
But none of them KNOW that that's what they'll have
Which is why at friend's funerals, none of them laff."

"But Yahzi," we asked him "Why should they rush?"
The uproar that followed just could not be hushed.
"The Christians, " he said "Should swim with some sharks"
To hasten the day when they all play on harps"

The Tater did try (through reason, not rhyme)
To explain to us all that there's plenty of time
For life to be lived through love but not hate,
That souls are eternal, and that heaven can wait.

"You hope but don't know," our Yahzi then sang
"It's a wager, that's all. Not cash in the bank.
You cling to this life like moss to a stone
You fear that there's nought but blood, flesh and bone

"If heaven does wait then why have you felt
that it's best to drive safely and wear your seatbelt?
"You hope but don't know, " Yahzi repeated
And then went on talking (he's never depleted)

The answer, I think, lies in the rules
That life is for living and death is for fools.
That may not be Christian but who is to say
That rushing to God is the alternate way?

6th March 2003, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Diogenes

You haven't been to the Pranko school of name distortion?
Whatdini, obviously has...

Stainedgenes,

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Skeptical Greg · 6th March 2003, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Whodini

Stainedgenes,

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Nice try, but no cigar...

I know you use special dictionaries, but I would really be surprised if they gave the pronunciation of
" Diogenes " as : die O jeens ...

But then again, nothing realy surprises me anymore...

6th March 2003, 12:39 PM

I understand how Diogenes is pronounced.

And I know who Diogenes was.

The problem with cynics is that they leave behind no school.

Ain't that right DownOnYourKnees?

Skeptical Greg · 6th March 2003, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Whodini
I understand how Diogenes is pronounced.

And I know who Diogenes was.

The problem with cynics is that they leave behind no school.

Ain't that right DownOnYourKnees?

( licks pencil tip... ) I'm writing that down right now....

6th March 2003, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Diogenes

( licks pencil tip... ) I'm writing that down right now....

LOL.

Yahzi · 16th August 2006, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by FireGarden

"Christians", said Yahzi, "All yearn for a life

I realize this thread is ancient, but I just saw this post (amazing what Google dredges up!) and I wanted to comment on how awesome it was.

Foster Zygote · 16th August 2006, 08:28 PM

Funny stuff. How long did Whodini last before he was banned?

Steven

5th March 2003, 07:26 PM	#1
Yahzi Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 2,672	Seatbelts in the Supreme Court! http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/...907229,00.html Quote: The matter will now almost certainly end up in the Supreme Court, one of whose members, Justice Anontin Scalia, last year said in a speech in Chicago: "The more Christian a country is, the less likely it is to regard the death penalty as immoral. "Abolition has taken its strongest hold in post-Christian Europe, and has least support in the church-going United States. I attribute that to the fact that, for the believing Christian, death is no big deal." More people behaving as if they actually expected the afterlife. Of course, Scalia's position is self-contradictory, since the execution of an unsaved criminal ought to be a big deal, and the Xian response ought to be to grant life in prison so the person has the best possible chance to be saved, but really, what role does logic have in setting the policy of a Supreme Court Judge?
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5th March 2003, 08:14 PM	#2
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6th March 2003, 03:36 AM	#3
Smalso Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Re: Seatbelts in the Supreme Court! Quote: Originally posted by Whodini ---- More people behaving as if they actually expected the afterlife. ---- When you're >80, you'll probably change your mind. This view is based upon what? Just curious.
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6th March 2003, 05:43 AM	#5
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6th March 2003, 05:45 AM	#6
scotth Atheist Political Candidate Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: DFW, TX area Posts: 1,801	Re: Like many things Quote: Originally posted by Gregor . . . it's a long story. "It's a long story" would be more helpful if it was prefaced with either of the two phrases: "It's a code word, but.." "It's not a code word, but..."

6th March 2003, 05:35 AM	#4
scotth Atheist Political Candidate Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: DFW, TX area Posts: 1,801	I was looking for something about seatbelts, per the title of the thread. Are seatbelts a code word for death penalty that I am unaware of, or is this thread just poorly titled?

6th March 2003, 06:01 AM	#7
Gregor Critical Thinker Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 355	It was about a debate months ago concerning whether xians were seat belts.
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6th March 2003, 06:18 AM	#8
scotth Atheist Political Candidate Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: DFW, TX area Posts: 1,801	Quote: Originally posted by Gregor It was about a debate months ago concerning whether xians were seat belts. Thanks.

6th March 2003, 07:44 AM	#9
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6th March 2003, 07:45 AM	#10
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6th March 2003, 08:08 AM	#12
Segnosaur Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 6,072	Re: Re: Re: Re: Seatbelts in the Supreme Court! Quote: Originally posted by Whodini Although it is not a rule, the majority of people, as they approach death, shift their thinking towards more spiritual matters. This reminds me of the old thread that "All athiests call out to god on their death bed" threads (started by either Jedi or Franko). Where do you get the idea that a 'majority' do? And how do you defind 'shift their thinking'? If you want to claim that older people go to church more often, that might make some sense. (But then, they probably believed in the afterlife to begin with.) Or are you claming that non-believers become believers when they get older?
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Skeptical Greg Agave Wine Connoisseur Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Just past 'Resume Speed' Posts: 12,873	Quote: Originally posted by Akots I sense a Francoist distortion of names in the thread... You haven't been to the Pranko school of name distortion? Whatdini, obviously has...
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Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,428	Quote: Originally posted by Akots I sense a Francoist distortion of names in the thread... Well, there is also the matter of convention to consider. We've pretty much standardized use of terms like "TLOP" or "Borb". "Seatbelts" is sort of an internal slang or jargon thrown around on this board. I wouldn't say it's a bad thing, just a short cut.

6th March 2003, 10:50 AM	#18
FireGarden Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Spannungsbogen -- without a visa Posts: 5,043	The Story So Far "Christians", said Yahzi, "All yearn for a life in a heaven thats free from all trouble and strife. But none of them KNOW that that's what they'll have Which is why at friend's funerals, none of them laff." "But Yahzi," we asked him "Why should they rush?" The uproar that followed just could not be hushed. "The Christians, " he said "Should swim with some sharks" To hasten the day when they all play on harps" The Tater did try (through reason, not rhyme) To explain to us all that there's plenty of time For life to be lived through love but not hate, That souls are eternal, and that heaven can wait. "You hope but don't know," our Yahzi then sang "It's a wager, that's all. Not cash in the bank. You cling to this life like moss to a stone You fear that there's nought but blood, flesh and bone "If heaven does wait then why have you felt that it's best to drive safely and wear your seatbelt? "You hope but don't know, " Yahzi repeated And then went on talking (he's never depleted) The answer, I think, lies in the rules That life is for living and death is for fools. That may not be Christian but who is to say That rushing to God is the alternate way?
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6th March 2003, 11:03 AM	#19
Guest Posts: n/a	Quote: Originally posted by Diogenes You haven't been to the Pranko school of name distortion? Whatdini, obviously has... Stainedgenes, I have no idea what you are talking about.
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Guest Posts: n/a	I understand how Diogenes is pronounced. And I know who Diogenes was. The problem with cynics is that they leave behind no school. Ain't that right DownOnYourKnees?
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Yahzi Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 2,672	Originally Posted by FireGarden "Christians", said Yahzi, "All yearn for a life I realize this thread is ancient, but I just saw this post (amazing what Google dredges up!) and I wanted to comment on how awesome it was.
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