More insanity from Arizona

Alferd_Packer · 14th February 2011, 12:33 PM

The Gruppenfuhrer of the Arizona Senate, Russell Pearce has introduced one more anti-immigrant bill to the floor.

Quote:

A. Before a hospital admits a person for nonemergency care, a hospital admissions officer must confirm that the person is a citizen of the United States, a legal resident of the United States or lawfully present in the United States. The admissions officer may use any method prescribed in section 1-501 to verify citizenship or legal status.

B. If the admissions officer determines that the person does not meet the requirements of subsection A of this section, the admissions officer must contact the local federal immigration office.

C. If the hospital provides emergency medical care pursuant to federal requirements to a person who does not meet the requirements of subsection A of this section, on successful treatment of the patient the admissions officer must contact the local federal immigration office.

D. A hospital that complies with the requirements of this section is not subject to civil liability.

Who in their right mind would think that this is a good idea?

http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument....ls/sb1405p.htm

Thunder · 14th February 2011, 12:35 PM

you can't force hospitals to become border-control agents.

i have no problem asking hospitals to do this, but requiring them?

no, they are doctors. their job is to help people...and that's it.

deepatrax · 14th February 2011, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer

The Gruppenfuhrer of the Arizona Senate, Russell Pearce has introduced one more anti-immigrant bill to the floor.

don't you mean anti-ILLEGAL-immigrant?

Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer

Who in their right mind would think that this is a good idea?

apparently Russell Pearce does...

thaiboxerken · 14th February 2011, 12:37 PM

As if hospitals don't have enough paperwork and beauracracy to deal with. How does this fit in with the "we don't want government in our health care" mantra?

Alferd_Packer · 14th February 2011, 12:38 PM

Think of the consequences of this.

How many people will die becaue they are afraid to go to the hospital? How many children?

What if there is an outbreak of a contageous disease? This will affect everyone, citizen or not.

Alferd_Packer · 14th February 2011, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by deepatrax

don't you mean anti-ILLEGAL-immigrant?

Does that really matter? You can NOT single out one group to be treated differently under the law.

deepatrax · 14th February 2011, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer

Think of the consequences of this.

How many people will die becaue they are afraid to go to the hospital? How many children?

What if there is an outbreak of a contageous disease? This will affect everyone, citizen or not.

Before people need to go to the hospital...before an outbreak of disease...don't you think it prudent that people who are breaking the law...STOP breaking the law??

just a thought...

rwguinn · 14th February 2011, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer

Does that really matter? You can NOT single out one group to be treated differently under the law.

So actual criminals are treated exactly the same as Law-abiding Citizens in the US?

You might want to think that over...

deepatrax · 14th February 2011, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer

Does that really matter? You can NOT single out one group to be treated differently under the law.

lol...good one!

This is a proposal for legislation to ensure people are NOT breaking the law.

Thunder · 14th February 2011, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by deepatrax

Before people need to go to the hospital...before an outbreak of disease...don't you think it prudent that people who are breaking the law...STOP breaking the law??

just a thought...

its not the job of hospitals to enforce immigration laws.

their job is to treat the sick and injured.

just a thought...

Alferd_Packer · 14th February 2011, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by deepatrax

Before people need to go to the hospital...before an outbreak of disease...don't you think it prudent that people who are breaking the law...STOP breaking the law??

just a thought...

So why don't they require that all hospitals and emergency rooms do complete criminal background checks on every patient?

deepatrax · 14th February 2011, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Thunder

its not the job of hospitals to enforce immigration laws.

their job is to treat the sick and injured.

just a thought...

well, if this legislation passes in AZ, then it WILL BE their job!

Alferd_Packer · 14th February 2011, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by rwguinn

So actual criminals are treated exactly the same as Law-abiding Citizens in the US?

You might want to think that over...

There is no logical, or valid legislative nexus between medical treatment and immigration status.

If there was, then why don't they require hospitals to enquire about how many parking tickets a patient has?

Alferd_Packer · 14th February 2011, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by deepatrax

well, if this legislation passes in AZ, then it WILL BE their job!

IF, the legislation passes.

I get the feeling that some of the republicans in the state capital are getting weary of these clearly unconstituional bills and the negative affect thatthey are having on the state.

Thunder · 14th February 2011, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by deepatrax

well, if this legislation passes in AZ, then it WILL BE their job!

and it will be challenged in Federal court.

....as it should be.

if very sick people are in fear of getting busted for immigration violations at the hospital, they may not get vital treatment. this could mean the difference between a quickly discovered disease and a massive pandemic.

I am not a fan of illegal immigration, but our nation's health and security depends on everyone being able to get treatment.

Alferd_Packer · 14th February 2011, 12:53 PM

Besides all that, the proposed law is just morally wrong.

Cleon · 14th February 2011, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by deepatrax

well, if this legislation passes in AZ, then it WILL BE their job!

Great. And who do you think is going to pay for all these background checks and paperwork? How will the extra wait time for medical care benefit the patient? If people are less willing to seek medical care, how will this effect the ability to contain and control outbreaks?

I really wish righties would, just for a change of pace, think these things through farther than "uh, illegal immigration is BAD." I mean, if these sorts of restrictions were being placed on education rather than health care, it would still be morally objectionable, but at least it wouldn't be so *********** stupid.

deepatrax · 14th February 2011, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Thunder

and it will be challenged in Federal court.

....as it should be.

if very sick people are in fear of getting busted for immigration violations at the hospital, they may not get vital treatment. this could mean the difference between a quickly discovered disease and a massive pandemic.

I am not a fan of illegal immigration, but our nation's health and security depends on everyone being able to get treatment.

An Al-Qaeda operative in this country illegally and plotting to kill Americans doesn't deserve to get medical treatment paid for by American taxpayers.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Alferd_Packer · 14th February 2011, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Cleon

I mean, if these sorts of restrictions were being placed on education rather than health care, it would still be morally objectionable, but at least it wouldn't be so *********** stupid.

They tried to do that to education years ago, the Supreme Court tossed it out

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/htm...7_0202_ZS.html

Cleon · 14th February 2011, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by deepatrax

An Al-Qaeda operative

*facepalm*

technoextreme · 14th February 2011, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by deepatrax

well, if this legislation passes in AZ, then it WILL BE their job!

That is a violation of the hippocratic oath.

Alferd_Packer · 14th February 2011, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by deepatrax

An Al-Qaeda operative in this country illegally and plotting to kill Americans doesn't deserve to get medical treatment paid for by American taxpayers.

That's not strictly a Godwin or a Poe, what is it?

shall we call all arguments where someone tries to tie the issue to Al-Qaeda a "Trax?"

Cleon · 14th February 2011, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer

That's not strictly a Godwin or a Poe, what is it?

It's a tacit admission that logic and reason are not the driving forces behind the argument.

Thunder · 14th February 2011, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by deepatrax

An Al-Qaeda operative in this country illegally and plotting to kill Americans doesn't deserve to get medical treatment paid for by American taxpayers.

if this law passes, an illegal immigrant who might have been infected by smallpox by a terrorist attack in Phoenix will not go to the hospital, in fear of being ratted out by the hospital.

instead, his smallpox will spread to many more people.

you happy with that scenario?

....and yes, facepalm.

KingMerv00 · 14th February 2011, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by deepatrax

An Al-Qaeda operative in this country illegally and plotting to kill Americans doesn't deserve to get medical treatment paid for by American taxpayers.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Just out of curiousity, does this apply to all crimes? If a man comes into the emergency room with a gunshot wound because he was robbing a bank, should the hospital let him die?

Alferd_Packer · 14th February 2011, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by KingMerv00

Just out of curiousity, does this apply to all crimes? If a man comes into the emergency room with a gunshot wound because he was robbing a bank, should the hospital let him die?

The hospital would treat him, but bank robbery is a felony.

Being an illegal alien is not. it is an administrative violation.

What if the Hospital refused to admit you because you have outstanding library fines?

Thunder · 14th February 2011, 01:10 PM

I have an unpaid parking ticket in Maine. Should I therefore not receive medical treatment?

deepatrax · 14th February 2011, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by KingMerv00

Just out of curiousity, does this apply to all crimes? If a man comes into the emergency room with a gunshot wound because he was robbing a bank, should the hospital let him die?

The AZ legislation takes care of this:

A: Before a hospital admits a person for nonemergency care...

deepatrax · 14th February 2011, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Thunder

I have an unpaid parking ticket in Maine. Should I therefore not receive medical treatment?

Depends...what are the laws in Maine?

tyr_13 · 14th February 2011, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by deepatrax

The AZ legislation takes care of this:

A: Before a hospital admits a person for nonemergency care...

Unless you read the rest of the legislation...

C. If the hospital provides emergency medical care pursuant to federal requirements to a person who does not meet the requirements of subsection A of this section, on successful treatment of the patient the admissions officer must contact the local federal immigration office.

deepatrax · 14th February 2011, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer

That's not strictly a Godwin or a Poe, what is it?

shall we call all arguments where someone tries to tie the issue to Al-Qaeda a "Trax?"

MS 13 gang member then??

Thunder · 14th February 2011, 01:13 PM

deepatrax- why do you want to prevent little Jose from getting his boo boo treated? what did little Jose ever do to you?

deepatrax · 14th February 2011, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by tyr_13

Unless you read the rest of the legislation...

C. If the hospital provides emergency medical care pursuant to federal requirements to a person who does not meet the requirements of subsection A of this section, on successful treatment of the patient the admissions officer must contact the local federal immigration office.

my bold above

so, no...he won't be allowed to die.

Alferd_Packer · 14th February 2011, 01:14 PM

Quote:

If the hospital provides emergency medical care pursuant to federal requirements to a person who does not meet the requirements of subsection A of this section, on successful treatment of the patient the admissions officer must contact the local federal immigration office.

Hmm, I see a loophole here.

admissions officer: "Hello? Federal immigration office? Hi, How ya doin'. I'm just contacting you. Talk to you tommorow, Later, dude, bye"

Thunder · 14th February 2011, 01:16 PM

----If the hospital provides emergency medical care pursuant to federal requirements to a person who does not meet the requirements of subsection A of this section, on successful treatment of the patient the admissions officer must contact the local federal immigration office.----

this requires hospitals to report illegal aliens to the authorities for non-emergency and emergency care. if this law passes, America's health and security will be less safe.

....yes, I want illegal aliens going to the hospital if they come down with a sudden fever and strange rash. I don't want them avoiding hospitals out of fear of being ratted on to ICE.

deepatrax · 14th February 2011, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Thunder

deepatrax- why do you want to prevent little Jose from getting his boo boo treated? what did little Jose ever do to you?

I like Jose. We sometimes play pool on the weekends...he and his family are good people.

I tell Jose, "Jose, why don't you just follow the law?"

Jose says, "**** the law!"

oh well, that's Jose for ya!

Thunder · 14th February 2011, 01:17 PM

Deepatrax- this law would put America's health & safety at risk, for millions of illegal aliens will think twice about going to a hospital after they come down with a sudden fever and rash.

are you happy with that?

Deepatrax- my friend, there is a very simple solution to solving America's illegal immigration problem. Its called a national ID or employment license card. Or even just a Federal law requiring all Americans to possess a state issued government ID that has certain biometric data. But right-wingers like yourself refuse to allow such IDs.

deepatrax · 14th February 2011, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Thunder

Deepatrax- this law would put America's health & safety at risk, for millions of illegal aliens will think twice about going to a hospital after they come down with a sudden fever and rash.

are you happy with that?

millions of illegal aliens should think twice about...being ILLEGAL!

and I said I like Jose, so this pains me.

Thunder · 14th February 2011, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by deepatrax

millions of illegal aliens should think twice about...being ILLEGAL!

and I said I like Jose, so this pains me.

don't want illegals getting jobs in the USA? require all Americans to possess a Federally sponsored ID or state ID that conforms to Federal regulations.

but you guys don't want that, cause its against "freedom".

Biscuit · 14th February 2011, 01:23 PM

This will result in the capture of exactly zero illegal immigrants. Doctors, nurses, and other hospital staff treat people as people regardless of where they were born. They have enough on their minds with the work they do to be bothered with this BS.

Its morally repugnant and is another window into the petty and heartless world of Pierce.

14th February 2011, 12:33 PM	#1
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,212	More insanity from Arizona The Gruppenfuhrer of the Arizona Senate, Russell Pearce has introduced one more anti-immigrant bill to the floor. Quote: A. Before a hospital admits a person for nonemergency care, a hospital admissions officer must confirm that the person is a citizen of the United States, a legal resident of the United States or lawfully present in the United States. The admissions officer may use any method prescribed in section 1-501 to verify citizenship or legal status. B. If the admissions officer determines that the person does not meet the requirements of subsection A of this section, the admissions officer must contact the local federal immigration office. C. If the hospital provides emergency medical care pursuant to federal requirements to a person who does not meet the requirements of subsection A of this section, on successful treatment of the patient the admissions officer must contact the local federal immigration office. D. A hospital that complies with the requirements of this section is not subject to civil liability. Who in their right mind would think that this is a good idea? http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument....ls/sb1405p.htm
	__________________ No laws of physics were broken in the writing of this post

14th February 2011, 12:37 PM	#4
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 20,963	As if hospitals don't have enough paperwork and beauracracy to deal with. How does this fit in with the "we don't want government in our health care" mantra?
	__________________ All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power & profit - Thomas Paine

14th February 2011, 12:38 PM	#5
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,212	Think of the consequences of this. How many people will die becaue they are afraid to go to the hospital? How many children? What if there is an outbreak of a contageous disease? This will affect everyone, citizen or not.
	__________________ No laws of physics were broken in the writing of this post

14th February 2011, 12:39 PM	#6
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,212	Originally Posted by deepatrax don't you mean anti-ILLEGAL-immigrant? Does that really matter? You can NOT single out one group to be treated differently under the law.
	__________________ No laws of physics were broken in the writing of this post

14th February 2011, 12:41 PM	#8
rwguinn Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 16 miles from 7 lakes Posts: 8,439	Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer Does that really matter? You can NOT single out one group to be treated differently under the law. So actual criminals are treated exactly the same as Law-abiding Citizens in the US? You might want to think that over...
	__________________ "Political correctness is a doctrine,...,which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." "I pointed out that his argument was wrong in every particular, but he rightfully took me to task for attacking only the weak points." Myriad http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=6853275#post6853275

14th February 2011, 12:35 PM	#2
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	you can't force hospitals to become border-control agents. i have no problem asking hospitals to do this, but requiring them? no, they are doctors. their job is to help people...and that's it.

14th February 2011, 12:36 PM	#3
deepatrax Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,247	Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer The Gruppenfuhrer of the Arizona Senate, Russell Pearce has introduced one more anti-immigrant bill to the floor. don't you mean anti-ILLEGAL-immigrant? Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer Who in their right mind would think that this is a good idea? apparently Russell Pearce does...

14th February 2011, 12:40 PM	#7
deepatrax Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,247	Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer Think of the consequences of this. How many people will die becaue they are afraid to go to the hospital? How many children? What if there is an outbreak of a contageous disease? This will affect everyone, citizen or not. Before people need to go to the hospital...before an outbreak of disease...don't you think it prudent that people who are breaking the law...STOP breaking the law?? just a thought...

14th February 2011, 12:42 PM	#10
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by deepatrax Before people need to go to the hospital...before an outbreak of disease...don't you think it prudent that people who are breaking the law...STOP breaking the law?? just a thought... its not the job of hospitals to enforce immigration laws. their job is to treat the sick and injured. just a thought...

14th February 2011, 12:43 PM	#12
deepatrax Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,247	Originally Posted by Thunder its not the job of hospitals to enforce immigration laws. their job is to treat the sick and injured. just a thought... well, if this legislation passes in AZ, then it WILL BE their job!

14th February 2011, 12:45 PM	#13
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,212	Originally Posted by rwguinn So actual criminals are treated exactly the same as Law-abiding Citizens in the US? You might want to think that over... There is no logical, or valid legislative nexus between medical treatment and immigration status. If there was, then why don't they require hospitals to enquire about how many parking tickets a patient has?
	__________________ No laws of physics were broken in the writing of this post

14th February 2011, 12:47 PM	#14
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,212	Originally Posted by deepatrax well, if this legislation passes in AZ, then it WILL BE their job! IF, the legislation passes. I get the feeling that some of the republicans in the state capital are getting weary of these clearly unconstituional bills and the negative affect thatthey are having on the state.
	__________________ No laws of physics were broken in the writing of this post

14th February 2011, 12:53 PM	#16
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,212	Besides all that, the proposed law is just morally wrong.
	__________________ No laws of physics were broken in the writing of this post

14th February 2011, 12:54 PM	#17
Cleon King of the Pod People Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 20,519	Originally Posted by deepatrax well, if this legislation passes in AZ, then it WILL BE their job! Great. And who do you think is going to pay for all these background checks and paperwork? How will the extra wait time for medical care benefit the patient? If people are less willing to seek medical care, how will this effect the ability to contain and control outbreaks? I really wish righties would, just for a change of pace, think these things through farther than "uh, illegal immigration is BAD." I mean, if these sorts of restrictions were being placed on education rather than health care, it would still be morally objectionable, but at least it wouldn't be so *********** stupid.
	__________________ "People like me are what stand between us and Auschwitz." - Newt Gingrich Last edited by Cleon; 14th February 2011 at 12:57 PM.

14th February 2011, 12:57 PM	#18
deepatrax Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,247	Originally Posted by Thunder and it will be challenged in Federal court. ....as it should be. if very sick people are in fear of getting busted for immigration violations at the hospital, they may not get vital treatment. this could mean the difference between a quickly discovered disease and a massive pandemic. I am not a fan of illegal immigration, but our nation's health and security depends on everyone being able to get treatment. An Al-Qaeda operative in this country illegally and plotting to kill Americans doesn't deserve to get medical treatment paid for by American taxpayers. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

14th February 2011, 12:58 PM	#19
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,212	Originally Posted by Cleon I mean, if these sorts of restrictions were being placed on education rather than health care, it would still be morally objectionable, but at least it wouldn't be so *********** stupid. They tried to do that to education years ago, the Supreme Court tossed it out http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/htm...7_0202_ZS.html
	__________________ No laws of physics were broken in the writing of this post

14th February 2011, 12:59 PM	#20
Cleon King of the Pod People Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 20,519	Originally Posted by deepatrax An Al-Qaeda operative facepalm
	__________________ "People like me are what stand between us and Auschwitz." - Newt Gingrich

14th February 2011, 01:00 PM	#21
technoextreme Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,786	Originally Posted by deepatrax well, if this legislation passes in AZ, then it WILL BE their job! That is a violation of the hippocratic oath.
	__________________ It's amazing how many of these "paranormal" icons seem to merge together. There always seem to be theories about how they link together in some way. I'm sure someone has a very good explanation as to how Bigfoot killed JFK to help cover Roswell.-Mark Mekes This isn't rocket surgery.-Bill Nye

14th February 2011, 01:01 PM	#22
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,212	Originally Posted by deepatrax An Al-Qaeda operative in this country illegally and plotting to kill Americans doesn't deserve to get medical treatment paid for by American taxpayers. That's not strictly a Godwin or a Poe, what is it? shall we call all arguments where someone tries to tie the issue to Al-Qaeda a "Trax?"
	__________________ No laws of physics were broken in the writing of this post

14th February 2011, 01:04 PM	#23
Cleon King of the Pod People Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 20,519	Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer That's not strictly a Godwin or a Poe, what is it? It's a tacit admission that logic and reason are not the driving forces behind the argument.
	__________________ "People like me are what stand between us and Auschwitz." - Newt Gingrich

14th February 2011, 01:06 PM	#25
KingMerv00 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA...USA Posts: 14,482	Originally Posted by deepatrax An Al-Qaeda operative in this country illegally and plotting to kill Americans doesn't deserve to get medical treatment paid for by American taxpayers. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Just out of curiousity, does this apply to all crimes? If a man comes into the emergency room with a gunshot wound because he was robbing a bank, should the hospital let him die?
	__________________ If man came from dust, why is there still dust?

14th February 2011, 01:09 PM	#26
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,212	Originally Posted by KingMerv00 Just out of curiousity, does this apply to all crimes? If a man comes into the emergency room with a gunshot wound because he was robbing a bank, should the hospital let him die? The hospital would treat him, but bank robbery is a felony. Being an illegal alien is not. it is an administrative violation. What if the Hospital refused to admit you because you have outstanding library fines?
	__________________ No laws of physics were broken in the writing of this post

14th February 2011, 01:10 PM	#27
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	I have an unpaid parking ticket in Maine. Should I therefore not receive medical treatment?

14th February 2011, 01:11 PM	#29
deepatrax Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,247	Originally Posted by Thunder I have an unpaid parking ticket in Maine. Should I therefore not receive medical treatment? Depends...what are the laws in Maine?

14th February 2011, 01:12 PM	#30
tyr_13 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Falconer, NY Posts: 9,658	Originally Posted by deepatrax The AZ legislation takes care of this: A: Before a hospital admits a person for nonemergency* care...* Unless you read the rest of the legislation... C. If the hospital provides emergency medical care pursuant to federal requirements to a person who does not meet the requirements of subsection A of this section, on successful treatment of the patient the admissions officer must contact the local federal immigration office.
	__________________ Circled nothing is still nothing. "Nothing will stop the U.S. from being a world leader, not even a handful of adults who want their kids to take science lessons from a book that mentions unicorns six times." -UNLoVedRebel Mumpsimus: a stubborn person who insists on making an error in spite of being shown that it is wrong

14th February 2011, 01:13 PM	#31
deepatrax Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,247	Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer That's not strictly a Godwin or a Poe, what is it? shall we call all arguments where someone tries to tie the issue to Al-Qaeda a "Trax?" MS 13 gang member then??

14th February 2011, 01:14 PM	#33
deepatrax Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,247	Originally Posted by tyr_13 Unless you read the rest of the legislation... C. If the hospital provides emergency medical care pursuant to federal requirements to a person who does not meet the requirements of subsection A of this section, on successful treatment of the patient the admissions officer must contact the local federal immigration office. my bold above so, no...he won't be allowed to die.

14th February 2011, 01:14 PM	#34
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,212	Quote: If the hospital provides emergency medical care pursuant to federal requirements to a person who does not meet the requirements of subsection A of this section, on successful treatment of the patient the admissions officer must contact the local federal immigration office. Hmm, I see a loophole here. admissions officer: "Hello? Federal immigration office? Hi, How ya doin'. I'm just contacting you. Talk to you tommorow, Later, dude, bye"
	__________________ No laws of physics were broken in the writing of this post

14th February 2011, 01:16 PM	#35
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	----If the hospital provides emergency medical care pursuant to federal requirements to a person who does not meet the requirements of subsection A of this section, on successful treatment of the patient the admissions officer must contact the local federal immigration office.---- this requires hospitals to report illegal aliens to the authorities for non-emergency and emergency care. if this law passes, America's health and security will be less safe. ....yes, I want illegal aliens going to the hospital if they come down with a sudden fever and strange rash. I don't want them avoiding hospitals out of fear of being ratted on to ICE.

14th February 2011, 01:16 PM	#36
deepatrax Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,247	Originally Posted by Thunder deepatrax- why do you want to prevent little Jose from getting his boo boo treated? what did little Jose ever do to you? I like Jose. We sometimes play pool on the weekends...he and his family are good people. I tell Jose, "Jose, why don't you just follow the law?" Jose says, "*** the law!"* oh well, that's Jose for ya!

14th February 2011, 01:17 PM	#37
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Deepatrax- this law would put America's health & safety at risk, for millions of illegal aliens will think twice about going to a hospital after they come down with a sudden fever and rash. are you happy with that? Deepatrax- my friend, there is a very simple solution to solving America's illegal immigration problem. Its called a national ID or employment license card. Or even just a Federal law requiring all Americans to possess a state issued government ID that has certain biometric data. But right-wingers like yourself refuse to allow such IDs.
	Last edited by Thunder; 14th February 2011 at 01:21 PM.

14th February 2011, 01:20 PM	#38
deepatrax Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,247	Originally Posted by Thunder Deepatrax- this law would put America's health & safety at risk, for millions of illegal aliens will think twice about going to a hospital after they come down with a sudden fever and rash. are you happy with that? millions of illegal aliens should think twice about...being ILLEGAL! and I said I like Jose, so this pains me.

14th February 2011, 01:22 PM	#39
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by deepatrax millions of illegal aliens should think twice about...being ILLEGAL! and I said I like Jose, so this pains me. don't want illegals getting jobs in the USA? require all Americans to possess a Federally sponsored ID or state ID that conforms to Federal regulations. but you guys don't want that, cause its against "freedom".

14th February 2011, 01:23 PM	#40
Biscuit Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,767	This will result in the capture of exactly zero illegal immigrants. Doctors, nurses, and other hospital staff treat people as people regardless of where they were born. They have enough on their minds with the work they do to be bothered with this BS. Its morally repugnant and is another window into the petty and heartless world of Pierce.
Biscuit Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,767	__________________ “... there is no shame in not knowing. The problem arises when irrational thought and attendant behavior fill the vacuum left by ignorance.” ― Neil deGrasse Tyson