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Old 25th June 2011, 06:10 PM   #241
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Just built a money-is-too-tight-to-mention Ubuntu 10.4 LTS box. I used a single core Sempron 2.7GHz, Asus M4N68T-M motherboard, no brand box with 500W PSU, 500G hard drive and 4Gig ram. Installed nVidia drivers, flash, VLC and Super Tux Kart. Also got wobbly windows with Compiz. Going to get better PSU as first upgrade.
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Old 2nd July 2011, 07:13 PM   #242
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http://www.penguintutor.com/index.php
Here is a website mentioned in Linux Format Magazine. It has a LPI cert quiz plus other stuff.

I have installed a "game" under Wine and it is running OK. Installed "Search and Rescue" but can't play it without a joystick.
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Old 26th September 2011, 08:07 PM   #243
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I'm using Gnome Shell at home in Ubuntu 11.10 at home, and I am really enjoying it. The overlay scrollbars are a lot better than those ugly white scrollbars in the Adwaita theme too.
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Old 29th September 2011, 05:18 AM   #244
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Play some old DOS games and demos on your LinuxBox in the Chrome browser!!!!!!

"In the Chrome address bar, type:

about:flags

Find the section titled "Native Client"

Click "Enable" and restart Chrome."

from this link.

and the games are here.

ETA: that flag smiley thing is not meant to be there. I have just disabled smilies.

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Old 30th September 2011, 09:02 PM   #245
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There seem to be two types of computer owners- people who want to get work done and people who like screwing with computers.
Type 1 use Macs.
Type 2 start with Windows, get bored, start experimenting with Ubuntu, then slide into a spiral of distro reinstalls and experiments and are basically never heard from again.
Yet they seem quite happy.
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Old 30th September 2011, 11:20 PM   #246
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You can get a lot of work done with Linux too, of course.
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Old 1st October 2011, 12:08 AM   #247
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Originally Posted by Soapy Sam View Post
There seem to be two types of computer owners- people who want to get work done and people who like screwing with computers.
Type 1 use Macs.
Type 2 start with Windows, get bored, start experimenting with Ubuntu, then slide into a spiral of distro reinstalls and experiments and are basically never heard from again.
Yet they seem quite happy.
Yes, this is clearly why the majority of businesses use Windows. They obviously aren't interested in getting work done. : /

Spouting off your opinion as tho it were actual fact, priceless. And silly.
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Old 1st October 2011, 03:01 AM   #248
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Yes, this is clearly why the majority of businesses use Windows. They obviously aren't interested in getting work done. : /

Spouting off your opinion as tho it were actual fact, priceless. And silly.
And then there's type 3, the dour, humourless fanatics...

(Hint : See post 29).
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Old 1st October 2011, 04:23 AM   #249
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Originally Posted by Soapy Sam View Post
And then there's type 3, the dour, humourless fanatics...

(Hint : See post 29).
Nice, you make a silly statement, get called on it, so naturally call them a "fantatic". Need a shovel?
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Old 1st October 2011, 04:36 AM   #250
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Nice, you make a silly statement, get called on it, so naturally call them a "fantatic". Need a shovel?
I believe the key word were "humourless".
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Old 1st October 2011, 05:11 AM   #251
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The DOS in Chrome thing is really cool. Thanks, AgeGap.
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Old 1st October 2011, 02:06 PM   #252
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Originally Posted by Soapy Sam View Post
There seem to be two types of computer owners- people who want to get work done and people who like screwing with computers.
There are actually 10 types of computer owners -- those who understand binary and those who do not.










(yes, I know it's an old joke.)
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Old 1st October 2011, 03:25 PM   #253
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Originally Posted by Soapy Sam View Post
There seem to be two types of computer owners- people who want to get work done and people who like screwing with computers.
Type 1 use Macs.
Type 2 start with Windows, get bored, start experimenting with Ubuntu, then slide into a spiral of distro reinstalls and experiments and are basically never heard from again.
Yet they seem quite happy.
Stereotyping-It's funny cos it's true.

Apple bans satirical iPhone game Phone Story from its App Store

Apple users like shiny and censorship is one of the prices you have to pay for using their products. Choose freedom. Choose Linux.
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Old 1st October 2011, 04:25 PM   #254
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Talking about censorship, I heard of a petition for Google to remove a 'homophobic' app from the Android marketplace, but I'm not sure about whether they'll do it. I hope they don't. Although the alternate ways of getting apps makes it less of an issue.

http://www.allout.org/en/actions/androidapp

When there was a petition for Apple to remove something of this nature from their app store, I was saying that the app's presence on their app store reflects poorly on Apple because they censor things and exclude things on the basis of 'offensiveness', so letting it through looks like they support it. I said that if such an app was for Android, it wouldn't reflect poorly on Google...

The greater freedom with Android is one of the things it has over iOS. I hope they don't sacrifice that.
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Old 1st October 2011, 08:05 PM   #255
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Xero- apologies for "fanatic", but I do think you took the first post a bit more seriously than I intended.
Posters in this thread are a self-selected minority- people interested in OSii by definition. My "type 2".
In the wider world, most home PC owners simply don't care what OS their machine runs, so long as it lets them do what they want, which in the main, is play media of various kinds, store files , browse the web and send email.
Linux will do all that just fine, but so will Windows, which was probably preinstalled when they bought the machine. For that huge majority of home users, there is no incentive whatever to change to Linux- not even cost, because the PC already came with Windows.
Same holds in the majority of work situations-Companies buy what will do the job. The job is generally data shuffling and communication. Windows does that fine and comes cheap if you are bulk buying machines and licences. Retraining costs money. Why bulk install a free OS if you then have to retrain your workforce?

OK , go with Ubuntu. Easy install. Free office suite. Shiny GUI. What's not to like?
Nothing. But you already got all that when you bought the machine - and in a form your staff are all familiar with. And it will run that old Portuguese laser printer in the basement,the one nobody ever heard of, that hasn't needed a toner replacement since 1990 and we don't want to lose it. Sure , there might be a Linux driver, but...
There's one big exception to all this - and it tends to involve the sort of people posting in this thread.
People who work on rather than with computer systems have a different perspective, whether they do so for a living, or for fun. It would surprise the users of most Windows PCs in an office to learn that the network server they use daily is probably a Linux box. It won't surprise anyone in the IT department.

If you are building a computer at home, sure use Linux, why not? The price is right.
But until it comes as a regular free option with prebuilt machines it is doomed to remain a minority choice.

Most home users don't need Linux and are unlikely to make any major gains by using it. Yes, security is better, but anyone savvy enough to be using Linux is apt to have Windows security sewn up tightly as well. Just running Ubuntu doesn't guarantee a routine user is safe from malware- and if it becomes more popular, the risk will increase disproportionately, because the sort of person who targets a virus at a Unix derived system is apt to be far better informed than the average Micro$oft script kid.

My history with computers started with a Sinclair ZX 80, back in the late Pleistocene. My first 4 computers- a ZX80, ZX81,QL and an HP85 all predated DOS, never mind Windows. (DOS 5.1 remains my favourite OS. GUI's I can live without.) But who in his right mind would want to run DOS now, even were the hardware strictly compatible? Yes it's small and neat (An OS on a single 1.44MB floppy, remember?)- but that's hardly an advantage if you have 4GB of RAM and a 1TB hard disc. (Oh those old 640K limit days...bliss was it in that dawn, to be young).
So why do I use Linux if I'm so negative about it? Well, I'm not negative about it. I like it fine. I just don't see that it offers me any gains worth the trouble on most modern PCs. I use it because of the hardware limits of an Asus 901, which came with (a different distro of) Linux preloaded. Because I tried XP on it and it ran like a 2 legged dog. I like it fine, but it's not needed on my home PC and so I stick with Windows. (I did dual boot for a while, but found no gain from it. Ever tried UN-installing Ubuntu? It's a pain. And I suppose that's an illustration of what I meant by "fanatic"; there's loads of help installing Linux these days, but finding out how to uninstall it is harder. It doesn't occur to the advocates that anyone might want to.
And that's not a friendly attitude.

In any case, it seems to me all computer OS advocates are in danger of going the way of the stegosaurus. Smartphones are where the action is. The big seller of 2011, hardware wise, is the iPad, which doesn't use either Windows or Linux. It uses IOS - and the competition is all running Android. Smartphone operating systems. It's 1981 all over again- Motorola V Intel, DOS v Apple OS.
It really seems to me this is the next revolution on a par with the IBM / Microsoft deal that produced the IBM PC, killed every other competitor but Apple and set the DOS/Windows standard OS environment for the last thirty years.
Sometimes, looking back on this, I feel very old.
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Old 2nd October 2011, 03:37 AM   #256
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OK , go with Ubuntu. Easy install. Free office suite. Shiny GUI. What's not to like?
I use ubuntu as I know it is stable and will work. I prefer linux over other OSs, I know how it works, know what to tweak. Spent years compiling my own kernels, mucking about in debian and LFS. Now I just want stuff to work. If I want to change stuff, I know I do not have to deal with a mystical flag driven registry but plain English config files. If I do not like something, I know there will be an alternative. I dislike Unity and Gnome 3, so I switched back to KDE that I left when KDE4 was released, it has nicely matured now. First thing I do with a new computer is install Ubuntu on it, even if windoze is on it already.

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I have an Acer Iconia tab, and Android 3.2 really kicks the arse of the ipad, Software and hardware wise. Honeycomb is quite a different beast from the 1.x and 2.x smartphone android. Oh yes, it is Linux as well, nice to open a terminal and have the shell at your fingertips. Of course Linux can trace its history back to UNix, as can the BSD based iOS. has stuff really evolved to be all that different?
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Old 4th October 2011, 05:23 AM   #257
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The scientists at Cern use Scientific Linux, this is based on RHEL. If they were using Windows 7 or Mac OS X Lion they would already have discovered the Higgs boson.
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Old 4th October 2011, 05:47 AM   #258
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The scientists at Cern use Scientific Linux, this is based on RHEL. If they were using Windows 7 or Mac OS X Lion they would already have discovered the Higgs boson.
Well, they certainly would have had cold fusion long before.
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Old 5th October 2011, 11:49 PM   #259
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I use ubuntu as I know it is stable and will work. I prefer linux over other OSs, I know how it works, know what to tweak. Spent years compiling my own kernels, mucking about in debian and LFS. Now I just want stuff to work. If I want to change stuff, I know I do not have to deal with a mystical flag driven registry but plain English config files. If I do not like something, I know there will be an alternative. I dislike Unity and Gnome 3, so I switched back to KDE that I left when KDE4 was released, it has nicely matured now. First thing I do with a new computer is install Ubuntu on it, even if windoze is on it already.
All of which makes you one of my type 2 users, I suppose. I'm about a type 1.8,- interested, but scarcely informed. I'm on balance more familiar with Windows, because I have to be for work. I'm reasonably comfortable wading through the registry- never crashed a machine yet.

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I have an Acer Iconia tab, and Android 3.2 really kicks the arse of the ipad, Software and hardware wise. Honeycomb is quite a different beast from the 1.x and 2.x smartphone android. Oh yes, it is Linux as well, nice to open a terminal and have the shell at your fingertips. Of course Linux can trace its history back to UNix, as can the BSD based iOS. has stuff really evolved to be all that different?
I confess to complete ignorance of phone systems. I truly don't understand why people are so enamoured of the things. After being berated by family members and friends for years, I finally bought the cheapest (distinctly non-smart) Sony-Ericsson Pay as you go phone I could find. I still rarely switch it on. With the drift towards tablets, I may start to pay attention, though the Asus901 is still going strong, Ubuntu netbook edition and all.
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Apple co-founder Steve Jobs is dead at 56.

Not really a big fan of Apple or it's methods but found myself saddened by this news.

And a bit of a git for slagging off Apple at every opportunity.

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Well, they certainly would have had cold fusion long before.
Wow!

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Old 12th October 2011, 05:49 PM   #261
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If you are building a computer at home, sure use Linux, why not? The price is right.
But until it comes as a regular free option with prebuilt machines it is doomed to remain a minority choice.

Most home users don't need Linux and are unlikely to make any major gains by using it. Yes, security is better, but anyone savvy enough to be using Linux is apt to have Windows security sewn up tightly as well. Just running Ubuntu doesn't guarantee a routine user is safe from malware- and if it becomes more popular, the risk will increase disproportionately, because the sort of person who targets a virus at a Unix derived system is apt to be far better informed than the average Micro$oft script kid.
Actually, I've viewed linux more as a viable option for extending the usable lifespan of an old computer personally. While in my case at least, the issue tends to be about software compatability (I use predominantly industry known software such as CAD and photoshop on a regular basis), I've actually put it on a couple of older computers because it doesn't have major hardware requirements that newer versions of windows requires. In that sense, even with some learning curbs involved with learning another OS I've found some benefits to the linux system. It gets basic stuff done, which for every day users is more than enough. It's just not suited well for big industries which rely on commercial software to do business. In mine, BIM, CAD, and lots of things design related practically wed me to windows at the very least as a required secondary option.
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There's an Ubuntu advertising campaign/game at www.thisisthecountdown.com with a mystery/game about strange transmissions and a website at www.worldspaceagency.org. A game as in you find clues and try to figure out what it means.

It was counting down to a day that wasn't the release of 11.10, so people were speculating about what it was counting down to. An Ubuntu tablet, some speculated. The content of the game made it seem like maybe they were going to announce SETI was going to use Ubuntu.

It counted down and at the end of it was....the start of another countdown of 2 days, to align with 11.10's release.

A big failure.
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We have some old computers at work and we installed Ubuntu 9.04 and 9.10 with great success. Our software expert and I (manager) intend to port the whole enchilada to Linux in one year (several reasons, cost of licensing one of them, but mostly poor hardware).

However, these versions are no longer supported and I was wondering where - if at all - I could find a repository of the upgrades that were available just a couple months ago. I particularly look forward to the language libraries in order to Open Office work in Spanish, but also run Flash and maybe others.

I only got broken links in my effort, so does anyone know where I can look?
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I'm going to have to read through this thread some time. I've had Slackware set up on my computer for months, but aside from installing LibreOffice and adding a driver to my computer (and setting up the background, putting icons on the desktop, etc), I haven't got around to doing much with it.

I do want to set up DOS Box and Wine sometime.
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We have some old computers at work and we installed Ubuntu 9.04 and 9.10 with great success. Our software expert and I (manager) intend to port the whole enchilada to Linux in one year (several reasons, cost of licensing one of them, but mostly poor hardware).

However, these versions are no longer supported and I was wondering where - if at all - I could find a repository of the upgrades that were available just a couple months ago. I particularly look forward to the language libraries in order to Open Office work in Spanish, but also run Flash and maybe others.

I only got broken links in my effort, so does anyone know where I can look?
I don't know about any PPAs that would be suitable for those versions.

I suggest installing LibreOffice with the appropriate .deb from http://www.libreoffice.org/download as LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice.org with lots more updates.

For Flash in Firefox, I recommend the Flash-Aid extension. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...don/flash-aid/

But you'll have to upgrade at some point. Ubuntu 10.04 is a Long Term Support release. Long Term Support releases have three years of updates (or five years for the server versions), compared to the 18 months of support for regular releases. There are 18 months left of support for workstations with that. The next LTS is set to come out in 6 months.
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Thanks Alan, that flash aid extension just got my youtube to work.
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I suggest installing LibreOffice with the ...
Duh... I *did* know LibreOffice, but wouldn't have remembered it in my life!

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Gee! I think this is great. Next week will install about 30 computers, so this will be of great help.

Thanks much!
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I have been running Pardus 2011 on my old Asus Eee netbook for a couple of weeks now and really like it. Prior to that I had it set up with Ubuntu 11.10, but it seemed to be always maxing out the Atom 1.6 CPU, as well as seeming to be running a bit too hot.

With Pardus I am not missing anything aesthetically or functionally over Ubuntu and the Unity desktop. It all looks rather slick actually and there are no performance issues. The GUIs for various things like the networking and bluetooth system seem to give me better control for someone who doesn't want to have to go looking up all the terminal commands.

The fact that it is produced by the Turkish government is a bit of a factor for me. I figure if they are going to put out something of such quality I am going to give it a go.
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Just re-animated my old box with Lubuntu.

So far it seems to work fine.

I also tried Macpup, but that really was a bit too meagre fro me.

Any recommendations which distro is best for a media centre?
I want to hook it up to the TV.
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I tried Pardus 2011 when it came out and it didn't live up to the hype about it being the best KDE desktop, for me. But it was good and would be ideal for Turkish speakers due to the community being focused around that language. And Kaptan would be good for a lot of people.

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Just re-animated my old box with Lubuntu.

So far it seems to work fine.

I also tried Macpup, but that really was a bit too meagre fro me.

Any recommendations which distro is best for a media centre?
I want to hook it up to the TV.
Perhaps Mythbuntu?
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Which packages should I download to get all the codecs and flash etc?
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Old 10th November 2011, 04:15 AM   #272
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There's a Mythbuntu Control Centre which you can use to install things like that.

I'm not sure if the package would be ubuntu-restricted-extras or mythbuntu-restricted-extras or something else.

http://www.mythbuntu.org/
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Old 10th November 2011, 04:20 AM   #273
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I am being drawn towards Linux Mint lately.

Can anyone per/dissuade me to/from using it, when compared to Ubuntu (current releases, nothing before 11.04)?

I mean, in which technical aspects is Linux Mint better than Ubuntu? Does it even matter when I change which programs I use any way?

I ask because I want to know which of the two has the better "chassis" so to speak. They use the same sources, so what is the fundamental difference under the hood?
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Old 10th November 2011, 04:31 AM   #274
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The main difference between Ubuntu and Mint used to be that Mint was friendlier with playing media. Then it became the theme. Now it's become not having Unity.

If you like Ubuntu and Gnome (2 or 3), but don't like Unity, then go with Linux Mint. The next version will have MATE (Gnome 2 fork) and heavily extended Gnome Shell versions (the extensions make it more like Gnome 2).
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Old 10th November 2011, 04:35 AM   #275
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The main difference between Ubuntu and Mint used to be that Mint was friendlier with playing media. Then it became the theme. Now it's become not having Unity.

If you like Ubuntu and Gnome (2 or 3), but don't like Unity, then go with Linux Mint. The next version will have MATE (Gnome 2 fork) and heavily extended Gnome Shell versions (the extensions make it more like Gnome 2).
But apart from that, it's virtually identical to Ubuntu in all but the GUI and codecs?

In that case, I might just stay with Ubuntu, because I want to try Gnome 3, so I'd have to install it either way.
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Originally Posted by Bram Kaandorp View Post
But apart from that, it's virtually identical to Ubuntu in all but the GUI and codecs?

In that case, I might just stay with Ubuntu, because I want to try Gnome 3, so I'd have to install it either way.
Why dont you just make USB stick of mint and load it up if your box will allow booting from USB, or DVD if not. ONly take 30 minutes to downlaod and make bootable OS. I am using mint at the moment on usb and besides the ugly grey color, the clock and icons being at the bottom right (like windows) I like it ok.

I actually am kind liking the new Fedora as well. I have about 6 different version on this usb stick. I will say mint does come flash installed and with Fedora it's up to you to chose Gnash or Flash.

Remember people that hate on Unity, all you have to do to shut it off is click the little gear icon by your name sign on screen and you shut it off, it will stay off till you turn it on.

I don't understand Unity haters.

I love the way Unity allows you to work with 100% of monitor, but that is me. It does take while to get used to navigating with it.
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Why dont you just make USB stick of mint and load it up if your box will allow booting from USB, or DVD if not. ONly take 30 minutes to downlaod and make bootable OS. I am using mint at the moment on usb and besides the ugly grey color, the clock and icons being at the bottom right (like windows) I like it ok.

I actually am kind liking the new Fedora as well. I have about 6 different version on this usb stick. I will say mint does come flash installed and with Fedora it's up to you to chose Gnash or Flash.

Remember people that hate on Unity, all you have to do to shut it off is click the little gear icon by your name sign on screen and you shut it off, it will stay off till you turn it on.

I don't understand Unity haters.

I love the way Unity allows you to work with 100% of monitor, but that is me. It does take while to get used to navigating with it.
Yeah, I've tried it, but other than the GUI, I didn't find many differences, so I thought I'd ask here, since there's a good possibility that someone will know more about it than I do.

Oh, and I don't really like Unity because I'm not a dock person. I am a hierarchy person, making docks highly unintuitive for me.
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I am being drawn towards Linux Mint lately.

Can anyone per/dissuade me to/from using it, when compared to Ubuntu (current releases, nothing before 11.04)?
Originally Posted by Bram Kaandorp View Post
Yeah, I've tried it, but other than the GUI, I didn't find many differences, so I thought I'd ask here, since there's a good possibility that someone will know more about it than I do.
Sorry, from your first post I guess you hadn't used it my bad.

Yes Unity took 6 months to grow on me, at first I hated it, but now it reminds me of tablet OS in a way.
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Sorry, from your first post I guess you hadn't used it my bad.

Yes Unity took 6 months to grow on me, at first I hated it, but now it reminds me of tablet OS in a way.
What are the biggest advantages you experienced in using Unity over Gnome 2?

If they are significant enough (and if stability improves (I've had trouble with the "home" icon, which seems to freeze and keep the dock in view at all times, obscuring part of the screen)), then maybe I'll consider using it for some time longer to see if I can get used to it.
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I'm using Lubuntu now, is Mint much more resource-hungry?
I'd like to give it a go.
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