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BenBurch · 13th March 2011, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by qarnos

Believe it or not, these two quotes come from the same article (all bolding mine):

TMI was first, so that isn't wrong.

Eric D · 13th March 2011, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

So what you are saying is that something is safe until it isn't.
That's deep, man.

Hahahahaha. My thoughts exactly.

qarnos · 13th March 2011, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

TMI was first, so that isn't wrong.

Ha! Shows me right for not knowing my history. I always thought TMI came afterwards.

technoextreme · 13th March 2011, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Planes are very safe, until hijacked and flown into highrise buildings.

Actually you bring up an interesting dichotomy between Thunder's logical fallacy and reality. Would you still say planes are safe even though the same sort of failure involving multiple redundant systems being lost have happened in the past?

BenBurch · 13th March 2011, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by technoextreme

Actually you bring up an interesting dichotomy between Thunder's logical fallacy and reality. Would you still say planes are safe even though the same sort of failure involving multiple redundant systems being lost have happened in the past?

You know, that Airbus that went down in the Atlantic last year seems to have just fallen out of the sky. Hundreds dead. We did not ban air travel.

qarnos · 13th March 2011, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

And hydro dams can CAUSE earthquakes...

I couldn't believe this at first, but Google says you are right. Holy crap.

That is awesome.

MattusMaximus · 13th March 2011, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

nuclear power safe?

apparently not.

Regarding the current disaster in Japan, can you tell me how many people have died as a result of the troubles with the nuclear plants?

Now take that number and compare it to the number of people killed in the earthquake & subsequent tsunami. Then come back and start spewing your nonsense about how nuclear power "isn't safe"

bikerdruid · 13th March 2011, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Par

Have them confiscated by Customs and Excisemic.

that is funny...

MattusMaximus · 13th March 2011, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Travis

Total number of civilians killed by this nuclear incident: 0

And I'm reading that the elevated radiation levels went down after the explosion indicating they may have just been picking up elevated levels from other industries put into the air by the earthquake/tsunami.

Yes, and those elevated radiation levels went down so quickly because 1) the radioactive steam/gas was quickly dispersed by the wind, and 2) most of the radioactive isotopes in said steam/gas are of the very short half-life variety, which means they decay into a harmless state very quickly.

But apparently that information doesn't make for good headlines

technoextreme · 13th March 2011, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

You know, that Airbus that went down in the Atlantic last year seems to have just fallen out of the sky. Hundreds dead. We did not ban air travel.

I could one up that. Supposedly*, the government recently admitted culpability in contributing to my grandpa's death. Mind you he helped build a nuclear reactor which I actually have proof of. Don't particularly think it has any bearing on the issue.
*I'm relying on information from my mother.

MattusMaximus · 13th March 2011, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

that is funny...

Still haven't come up with that death toll estimate from the Japanese nuclear plants yet? I'll give you a hint: it starts with a "z"...

MattusMaximus · 13th March 2011, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

not just the racoons....
the whole earth will be better off without us.

Speak for yourself, pal.

MattusMaximus · 13th March 2011, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Aepervius

The psychological damage would not be that bad if the media did their job, instead of going for Sensationalist yellow journalism. Selling is more important than informing. That , or they are totally incompetent.

This ^^^

The ham-fisted reporting by far too many media outlets makes them active contributors to the psychological damage. Stupid bastards

MattusMaximus · 13th March 2011, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

It called the NIMBY factor. And both parties are sacared of it.
A lot of people who say they support nuclear power get cold feet when there is talk of a plant in a 20 Mile radius of where they live.

I have to laugh when people I work with get all gooey on the anti-nuke talk... until I point out to them that we get the vast majority of our electricity from nuclear plants in Illinois. After I make the point that the lights wouldn't be on around here without nuclear plants, most of them tend to shut up.

BenBurch · 13th March 2011, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

I have to laugh when people I work with get all gooey on the anti-nuke talk... until I point out to them that we get the vast majority of our electricity from nuclear plants in Illinois. After I make the point that the lights wouldn't be on around here without nuclear plants, most of them tend to shut up.

We had a hand in inventing it here.

MattusMaximus · 13th March 2011, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Nosi

You only need to look at Grade B Sci Fi to see why people are loosing their brown over the reactors. How many mutant monsters have been spawned by the wonder of the Atom gone wrong?

Fictional ones: plenty

Real ones: 0

Even this guy thinks the hysteria over all of this is stupid

bikerdruid · 13th March 2011, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

Still haven't come up with that death toll estimate from the Japanese nuclear plants yet? I'll give you a hint: it starts with a "z"...

zero...and i hope it stays there.

MattusMaximus · 13th March 2011, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

here's a timely news bit:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/world-europe-12724981
Tens of thousands of people have protested in Germany against the government's plans to extend the life of its nuclear reactors.

All that shows is that those people in Germany are being manipulated by fear-mongering, scientific & engineering ignorance, and rabidly anti-nuclear propaganda.

BenBurch · 13th March 2011, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by qarnos

I couldn't believe this at first, but Google says you are right. Holy crap.

That is awesome.

Like Anthropogenic Global Warming, people don't want to believe we can effect the Earth itself.

BenBurch · 13th March 2011, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

zero...and i hope it stays there.

Even if it were ten, that is still less than that tour bus crash the other day, isn't it?

bikerdruid · 13th March 2011, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

Speak for yourself, pal.

oh, i was....didn't you notice my use of the inclusive pronoun 'us'?
that includes me, therefore, i was speaking for myself.

MattusMaximus · 13th March 2011, 05:29 PM

In an effort to educate people about radiation, since everyone's attention is focused on it now, I suggest you all take some time to calculate your own personal radiation dose. Once you go through that calculation and see all of the sources (both natural & artificial) that you're exposed to all the time, then you will see how much the media is hyping this stuff.

Knowledge is power, folks. Learn about radiation, and it will cease to be as scary as the media is making it sound. As I like to say: "Know nukes!"

Corsair 115 · 13th March 2011, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Indeed, Edge of Darkness's main point does seem to be that Man has turned its back on the fruits of Gaia and will be destroyed for it. And unfortunately the show seems to rejoice in this possibility with the "optimistic" idea being that once humans are all dead the Earth can get back to doing whatever it was that makes Gaia's life worthwhile. The moral message is piffle but the soundtrack is great.

It's been a long time since I saw the show, but from what I recall, I didn't take away that message from it. I just remember it being about a father trying to find out what really happened to his daughter, and Joe Don Baker's radioactive act of revenge towards the end. I also recall it being a very well-made program.

Hamradioguy · 13th March 2011, 06:09 PM

Some good observations in this thread. Having worked in Health Physics (radiation safety) I'd say that no form of large scale energy production is "safe", but nuclear is among the safest of the methods currently in use. However conveying the concept of risk to a public fearful of anything involving dreaded radiation is tough. (Wonder if we'd still be lighting our houses with kerosene lamps if the electric chair had been extensively used for executions well before Edison and Tesla came along to electrify our homes and businesses?)

The Health Physics Society, of which I am a member, has some excellent info on their web site, particularly under "Experts Answers" under the Ask an Expert section. And for anyone who wants a good overview of nuclear health risks, grab a copy of Petr Beckmann's excellent if somewhat irreverent, "The Health Risks of NOT going Nuclear."

Corsair 115 · 13th March 2011, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

i live simply, with solar power, wood heat and cooking and haven't had running water for many years.
the best my water can do is walk from the spring to the house, in a bucket, at the end of my arm.

What do you do with your waste? I presume you have an outhouse?

Originally Posted by Nosi

Turkey Point nuclear power station: A nuke plant in Florida that's a hideaway for American alligators.

Are the alligators now three hundred feet long and rampaging through cities yet?

bikerdruid · 13th March 2011, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Corsair 115

What do you do with your waste? I presume you have an outhouse?
D

yup...i poop in the ground.

BenBurch · 13th March 2011, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

yup...i poop in the ground.

And pollute the groundwater???!

nimzov · 13th March 2011, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Hamradioguy

...but nuclear is among the safest of the methods currently in use.

Not right over a subduction zone.

Sword_Of_Truth · 13th March 2011, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by nimzov

Not right over a subduction zone.

There too.

bikerdruid · 13th March 2011, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

And pollute the groundwater???!

no.

BenBurch · 13th March 2011, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

no.

Yes. There is a reason we no longer allow human waste to be dealt with in septic systems in populated areas. It becomes pollution.

When we were homeless like the other beasts, before we settled down and started farming, our numbers were small, and our wastes were scattered all over our range, and were not a problem.

As soon as you dig a pit and keep defecating and urinating in it on a constant basis you have are polluting the soil and the groundwater. No escape from this.

If you want to be green and not deal with a sewer, get a Clivus Multrum composting toilet. Those actually are green. Outhouses with a cesspool underneath are very much NOT green.

See; http://www.clivusmultrum.com/

Sword_Of_Truth · 13th March 2011, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

ii ride an 35 year old soviet motorcycle that i maintain myself.

I hope you bought that used.

Because otherwise, you gave money to histories 2nd bloodiest genocidal regime and the one responsible for the most and the worst nuclear disasters.

Quote:

i drive a 30 year old toyota truck which i maintain myself.

Built with nuclear energy and farts gobs of carbon with every mile driven.

theprestige · 13th March 2011, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

oh, i was....didn't you notice my use of the inclusive pronoun 'us'?
that includes me, therefore, i was speaking for myself.

So, BD, what's the Earth doing that's so important, that it'd be better off doing it if you weren't around?

And if the Earth really would be better off without you--as you claim--then why are you still around?

dudalb · 13th March 2011, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

Speak for yourself, pal.

GOd, he is sounding like the villians in Tom Clancy;s original "Rainbow Six" novel,where a fanatic billionaire Earth First Econut develops a virus that will wipe out 99% of the Human Race,thus preserving the enviroment.

dudalb · 13th March 2011, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

Yes. There is a reason we no longer allow human waste to be dealt with in septic systems in populated areas. It becomes pollution.

When we were homeless like the other beasts, before we settled down and started farming, our numbers were small, and our wastes were scattered all over our range, and were not a problem.

As soon as you dig a pit and keep defecating and urinating in it on a constant basis you have are polluting the soil and the groundwater. No escape from this.

If you want to be green and not deal with a sewer, get a Clivus Multrum composting toilet. Those actually are green. Outhouses with a cesspool underneath are very much NOT green.

See; http://www.clivusmultrum.com/

And they stink like hell...........

dudalb · 13th March 2011, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

yup...i poop in the ground.

Glad I don't have you for a neighbor.....

Nosi · 13th March 2011, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

In an effort to educate people about radiation, since everyone's attention is focused on it now, I suggest you all take some time to calculate your own personal radiation dose. Once you go through that calculation and see all of the sources (both natural & artificial) that you're exposed to all the time, then you will see how much the media is hyping this stuff.

Knowledge is power, folks. Learn about radiation, and it will cease to be as scary as the media is making it sound. As I like to say: "Know nukes!"

Many anti-nuke people don't take a second thought about throwing a burrito into the microwave, a very tiny nuclear device.

BenBurch · 13th March 2011, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Nosi

Many anti-nuke people don't take a second thought about throwing a burrito into the microwave, a very tiny nuclear device.

No, actually.

It's a Radio Frequency device.

It makes a radio carrier at the exact frequency that water molecules will resonate, and this makes heat.

BenBurch · 13th March 2011, 08:17 PM

However, if you want a device that everybody uses and few people think of as a radiological device, look up; Most smoke detectors have an ionizing source that is Americium, about one micro-curie of it.

technoextreme · 13th March 2011, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

However, if you want a device that everybody uses and few people think of as a radiological device, look up; Most smoke detectors have an ionizing source that is Americium, about one micro-curie of it.

Actually, you forgot the punchline to that joke. The only viable source of Americium is in nuclear reactors. Its the only element that is industrially produced.

13th March 2011, 04:56 PM	#121
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,079	Originally Posted by qarnos Believe it or not, these two quotes come from the same article (all bolding mine): TMI was first, so that isn't wrong.
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13th March 2011, 04:57 PM	#122
Eric D Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 476	Originally Posted by Puppycow So what you are saying is that something is safe until it isn't. That's deep, man. Hahahahaha. My thoughts exactly.
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13th March 2011, 04:59 PM	#123
qarnos Cold-hearted skeptic Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Melbourne, Austrylia Posts: 1,985	Originally Posted by BenBurch TMI was first, so that isn't wrong. Ha! Shows me right for not knowing my history. I always thought TMI came afterwards.
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technoextreme Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,786	Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper Planes are very safe, until hijacked and flown into highrise buildings. Actually you bring up an interesting dichotomy between Thunder's logical fallacy and reality. Would you still say planes are safe even though the same sort of failure involving multiple redundant systems being lost have happened in the past?
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13th March 2011, 05:02 PM	#125
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,079	Originally Posted by technoextreme Actually you bring up an interesting dichotomy between Thunder's logical fallacy and reality. Would you still say planes are safe even though the same sort of failure involving multiple redundant systems being lost have happened in the past? You know, that Airbus that went down in the Atlantic last year seems to have just fallen out of the sky. Hundreds dead. We did not ban air travel.
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qarnos Cold-hearted skeptic Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Melbourne, Austrylia Posts: 1,985	Originally Posted by BenBurch And hydro dams can CAUSE earthquakes... I couldn't believe this at first, but Google says you are right. Holy crap. That is awesome.
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13th March 2011, 05:07 PM	#127
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Originally Posted by bikerdruid nuclear power safe? apparently not. Regarding the current disaster in Japan, can you tell me how many people have died as a result of the troubles with the nuclear plants? Now take that number and compare it to the number of people killed in the earthquake & subsequent tsunami. Then come back and start spewing your nonsense about how nuclear power "isn't safe"
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13th March 2011, 05:10 PM	#129
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Originally Posted by Travis Total number of civilians killed by this nuclear incident: 0 And I'm reading that the elevated radiation levels went down after the explosion indicating they may have just been picking up elevated levels from other industries put into the air by the earthquake/tsunami. Yes, and those elevated radiation levels went down so quickly because 1) the radioactive steam/gas was quickly dispersed by the wind, and 2) most of the radioactive isotopes in said steam/gas are of the very short half-life variety, which means they decay into a harmless state very quickly. But apparently that information doesn't make for good headlines
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13th March 2011, 05:11 PM	#130
technoextreme Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,786	Originally Posted by BenBurch You know, that Airbus that went down in the Atlantic last year seems to have just fallen out of the sky. Hundreds dead. We did not ban air travel. I could one up that. Supposedly, the government recently admitted culpability in contributing to my grandpa's death. Mind you he helped build a nuclear reactor which I actually have proof of. Don't particularly think it has any bearing on the issue. I'm relying on information from my mother.
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MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Originally Posted by bikerdruid that is funny... Still haven't come up with that death toll estimate from the Japanese nuclear plants yet? I'll give you a hint: it starts with a "z"...
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13th March 2011, 05:13 PM	#132
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Originally Posted by bikerdruid not just the racoons.... the whole earth will be better off without us. Speak for yourself, pal.
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13th March 2011, 05:15 PM	#133
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Originally Posted by Aepervius The psychological damage would not be that bad if the media did their job, instead of going for Sensationalist yellow journalism. Selling is more important than informing. That , or they are totally incompetent. This ^^^ The ham-fisted reporting by far too many media outlets makes them active contributors to the psychological damage. Stupid bastards
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13th March 2011, 05:16 PM	#134
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Originally Posted by dudalb It called the NIMBY factor. And both parties are sacared of it. A lot of people who say they support nuclear power get cold feet when there is talk of a plant in a 20 Mile radius of where they live. I have to laugh when people I work with get all gooey on the anti-nuke talk... until I point out to them that we get the vast majority of our electricity from nuclear plants in Illinois. After I make the point that the lights wouldn't be on around here without nuclear plants, most of them tend to shut up.
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BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,079	Originally Posted by MattusMaximus I have to laugh when people I work with get all gooey on the anti-nuke talk... until I point out to them that we get the vast majority of our electricity from nuclear plants in Illinois. After I make the point that the lights wouldn't be on around here without nuclear plants, most of them tend to shut up. We had a hand in inventing it here.
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MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Originally Posted by Nosi You only need to look at Grade B Sci Fi to see why people are loosing their brown over the reactors. How many mutant monsters have been spawned by the wonder of the Atom gone wrong? Fictional ones: plenty Real ones: 0 Even this guy thinks the hysteria over all of this is stupid
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13th March 2011, 05:23 PM	#137
bikerdruid hermit hippy weirdo Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: green island autonomous zone Posts: 7,369	Originally Posted by MattusMaximus Still haven't come up with that death toll estimate from the Japanese nuclear plants yet? I'll give you a hint: it starts with a "z"... zero...and i hope it stays there.
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13th March 2011, 05:24 PM	#138
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Originally Posted by bikerdruid here's a timely news bit: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/world-europe-12724981 Tens of thousands of people have protested in Germany against the government's plans to extend the life of its nuclear reactors. All that shows is that those people in Germany are being manipulated by fear-mongering, scientific & engineering ignorance, and rabidly anti-nuclear propaganda.
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BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,079	Originally Posted by qarnos I couldn't believe this at first, but Google says you are right. Holy crap. That is awesome. Like Anthropogenic Global Warming, people don't want to believe we can effect the Earth itself.
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BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,079	Originally Posted by bikerdruid zero...and i hope it stays there. Even if it were ten, that is still less than that tour bus crash the other day, isn't it?
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bikerdruid hermit hippy weirdo Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: green island autonomous zone Posts: 7,369	Originally Posted by MattusMaximus Speak for yourself, pal. oh, i was....didn't you notice my use of the inclusive pronoun 'us'? that includes me, therefore, i was speaking for myself.
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13th March 2011, 05:29 PM	#142
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	In an effort to educate people about radiation, since everyone's attention is focused on it now, I suggest you all take some time to calculate your own personal radiation dose. Once you go through that calculation and see all of the sources (both natural & artificial) that you're exposed to all the time, then you will see how much the media is hyping this stuff. Knowledge is power, folks. Learn about radiation, and it will cease to be as scary as the media is making it sound. As I like to say: "Know nukes!"
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13th March 2011, 05:57 PM	#143
Corsair 115 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 8,553	Originally Posted by angrysoba Indeed, Edge of Darkness's main point does seem to be that Man has turned its back on the fruits of Gaia and will be destroyed for it. And unfortunately the show seems to rejoice in this possibility with the "optimistic" idea being that once humans are all dead the Earth can get back to doing whatever it was that makes Gaia's life worthwhile. The moral message is piffle but the soundtrack is great. It's been a long time since I saw the show, but from what I recall, I didn't take away that message from it. I just remember it being about a father trying to find out what really happened to his daughter, and Joe Don Baker's radioactive act of revenge towards the end. I also recall it being a very well-made program.
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13th March 2011, 06:09 PM	#144
Hamradioguy Pyrrhonist Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Northern Vermont Posts: 2,272	Some good observations in this thread. Having worked in Health Physics (radiation safety) I'd say that no form of large scale energy production is "safe", but nuclear is among the safest of the methods currently in use. However conveying the concept of risk to a public fearful of anything involving dreaded radiation is tough. (Wonder if we'd still be lighting our houses with kerosene lamps if the electric chair had been extensively used for executions well before Edison and Tesla came along to electrify our homes and businesses?) The Health Physics Society, of which I am a member, has some excellent info on their web site, particularly under "Experts Answers" under the Ask an Expert section. And for anyone who wants a good overview of nuclear health risks, grab a copy of Petr Beckmann's excellent if somewhat irreverent, "The Health Risks of NOT going Nuclear."

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Corsair 115 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 8,553	Originally Posted by bikerdruid i live simply, with solar power, wood heat and cooking and haven't had running water for many years. the best my water can do is walk from the spring to the house, in a bucket, at the end of my arm. What do you do with your waste? I presume you have an outhouse? Originally Posted by Nosi Turkey Point nuclear power station: A nuke plant in Florida that's a hideaway for American alligators. Are the alligators now three hundred feet long and rampaging through cities yet?
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13th March 2011, 06:18 PM	#146
bikerdruid hermit hippy weirdo Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: green island autonomous zone Posts: 7,369	Originally Posted by Corsair 115 What do you do with your waste? I presume you have an outhouse? D yup...i poop in the ground.
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13th March 2011, 06:29 PM	#147
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,079	Originally Posted by bikerdruid yup...i poop in the ground. And pollute the groundwater???!
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13th March 2011, 06:40 PM	#148
nimzov Muse Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Montréal Posts: 917	Originally Posted by Hamradioguy ...but nuclear is among the safest of the methods currently in use. Not right over a subduction zone.

13th March 2011, 06:42 PM	#149
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Originally Posted by nimzov Not right over a subduction zone. There too.

13th March 2011, 06:42 PM	#150
bikerdruid hermit hippy weirdo Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: green island autonomous zone Posts: 7,369	Originally Posted by BenBurch And pollute the groundwater???! no.
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13th March 2011, 06:52 PM	#151
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,079	Originally Posted by bikerdruid no. Yes. There is a reason we no longer allow human waste to be dealt with in septic systems in populated areas. It becomes pollution. When we were homeless like the other beasts, before we settled down and started farming, our numbers were small, and our wastes were scattered all over our range, and were not a problem. As soon as you dig a pit and keep defecating and urinating in it on a constant basis you have are polluting the soil and the groundwater. No escape from this. If you want to be green and not deal with a sewer, get a Clivus Multrum composting toilet. Those actually are green. Outhouses with a cesspool underneath are very much NOT green. See; http://www.clivusmultrum.com/
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13th March 2011, 07:03 PM	#152
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Originally Posted by bikerdruid ii ride an 35 year old soviet motorcycle that i maintain myself. I hope you bought that used. Because otherwise, you gave money to histories 2nd bloodiest genocidal regime and the one responsible for the most and the worst nuclear disasters. Quote: i drive a 30 year old toyota truck which i maintain myself. Built with nuclear energy and farts gobs of carbon with every mile driven.

13th March 2011, 07:07 PM	#153
theprestige Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,568	Originally Posted by bikerdruid oh, i was....didn't you notice my use of the inclusive pronoun 'us'? that includes me, therefore, i was speaking for myself. So, BD, what's the Earth doing that's so important, that it'd be better off doing it if you weren't around? And if the Earth really would be better off without you--as you claim--then why are you still around?
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13th March 2011, 07:07 PM	#154
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,782	Originally Posted by MattusMaximus Speak for yourself, pal. GOd, he is sounding like the villians in Tom Clancy;s original "Rainbow Six" novel,where a fanatic billionaire Earth First Econut develops a virus that will wipe out 99% of the Human Race,thus preserving the enviroment.

13th March 2011, 07:08 PM	#155
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,782	Originally Posted by BenBurch Yes. There is a reason we no longer allow human waste to be dealt with in septic systems in populated areas. It becomes pollution. When we were homeless like the other beasts, before we settled down and started farming, our numbers were small, and our wastes were scattered all over our range, and were not a problem. As soon as you dig a pit and keep defecating and urinating in it on a constant basis you have are polluting the soil and the groundwater. No escape from this. If you want to be green and not deal with a sewer, get a Clivus Multrum composting toilet. Those actually are green. Outhouses with a cesspool underneath are very much NOT green. See; http://www.clivusmultrum.com/ And they stink like hell...........