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Gaetan · 9th January 2012, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Dinwar

So just to be clear: the criteria for saving someone's life is the inverse of how you feel about them. Helping someone you love is evil, and will earn you eternal damnation. Helping strangers is pure, and will earn you eternal salvation. I can only assume that helping one's enemies would be even better.

Yes you should help your ennemies before you help anybody.

RoboTimbo · 9th January 2012, 05:59 PM

So you should be helping money.

Gaetan · 9th January 2012, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by RoboTimbo

So you should be helping money.

By abolishing money we don't help money but we help demons like you.

RoboTimbo · 9th January 2012, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

By abolishing money we don't help money but we help demons like you.

So abolishing money helps demons then?

Tomtomkent · 9th January 2012, 10:06 PM

Demons like us?

Great now I don't exist.

AdMan · 9th January 2012, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

By abolishing money we don't help money but we help demons like you.

It is obvious by your posts that the only demon here who wants to bring destruction to humanity is you, Gaetan/Satan.

Gaetan · 10th January 2012, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by RoboTimbo

So abolishing money helps demons then?

Yes and taking off arms from demons help demons to not commit crimes and their victimes as well. Commit a crime is sentensed by hell. You should repent.

Tomtomkent · 10th January 2012, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Yes and taking off arms from demons help demons to not commit crimes and their victimes as well. Commit a crime is sentensed by hell. You should repent.

That does not sound helpful to the Demon. The Demon wants to commit further crimes. You are infact HINDERING him.

So why exactly are you so determined to impoose your worldview upon others against their will then claim it is "helping" them? And why do you continue to engage in threats about hell? Are you unable to offer a reason why your plan would simply be the better course of action for its own reasons? Or is fear of hell all you have: "Do what I say or suffer" is hardly convincing of the higher moral ground.

Dinwar · 10th January 2012, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Yes you should help your ennemies before you help anybody.

I've had people attempt to murder me. As in, when the police arived the guy was loading the rifle. I consider such a person an enemy. Should I slit my wrists, to help him?

If not, why should I starve myself to help him?

And why don't God, Jesus, the angles, the arcangels, the saints, or any others in your pantheon help those who opposed them? Why didn't Joan of Arc help the English--her sworn enemies? Why did Paul and the other Appostles help the early Christians, and not the Romans trying to crush the religion? Why did the saints at the foundation of Cluny and other monistaries not help the barbarians who were sacking and looting monistaries? Why isn't the Pope helping Richard Dawkins?

Seems that your religion views such morality as only appropriate for the lesser people--the higher-ups reject it categorically. If I were you, I'd ask why.

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Commit a crime is sentensed by hell.

Except that several of the Diciples were criminals. St. Paul spent a fair amount of time in jail. You're as bad at theology as you are at economics.

Joecool · 10th January 2012, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Yes you should help your ennemies before you help anybody.

Since YOU brought up the Biblical reference, Jesus didn't ever say you should "help" your enemies.

RoboTimbo · 10th January 2012, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Yes and taking off arms from demons help demons to not commit crimes and their victimes as well. Commit a crime is sentensed by hell. You should repent.

You are becoming more incoherent as you go.

You now admit that eliminating money is helpful to demons. You make it obvious that you are Satan and your agenda is to introduce more and more evil into the world. Now you have admitted that you are in league with demons and want to help them.

Is there any reason at all that people should join in your evil scheme to eliminate money and bring ruin and destruction to the world and help your demon friends and see the deaths of 5 billion people who you've "helped"?

Craig4 · 10th January 2012, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Yes and taking off arms from demons help demons to not commit crimes and their victimes as well. Commit a crime is sentensed by hell. You should repent.

Prove demons exist.

Craig4 · 10th January 2012, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Yes you should help your ennemies before you help anybody.

Help them to a good smiting perhaps.

Joecool · 10th January 2012, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

By abolishing money we don't help money but we help demons like you.

This is quite interesting. Gaetan is calling everyone demons for opposing him. LOL.

Ironically, he wants to eliminate money so small third world countries can starve. He wants a society where there is slavery and where babies are arbitrarily taken from their mothers. He thinks people will work for free and that resources drop out of the sky.

I think this is why high schools have the anti drug campaigns.

Tomtomkent · 10th January 2012, 12:33 PM

I am still waiting for a reason value is an ilussion but demons or good or evil are real.

Gaetan · 11th January 2012, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Joecool

Since YOU brought up the Biblical reference, Jesus didn't ever say you should "help" your enemies.

When i say to help your ennemies i mean to do something positive. If you pay more drink to a man drunk, your ennemy, you won't help him, it is the opposite of what you should do, you should offer him to bring him back home.

All this means to help your ennemies:

Luke, English standard version,

Love Your Enemies
6.27 “But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. 29 To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic[b] either. 30 Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. 31 And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.
32 “If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. 35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. 36 Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.

RoboTimbo · 11th January 2012, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

When i say to help your ennemies i mean to do something positive. If you pay more drink to a man drunk, your ennemy, you won't help him, it is the opposite of what you should do, you should offer him to bring him back home.

So you think that eliminating money would help demons and you want to help 5 billion people die of barbarity?

Tomtomkent · 11th January 2012, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

When i say to help your ennemies i mean to do something positive.

But the action you described is not helpful to them, it hinders them. From their view this is not possitive.

Dinwar · 11th January 2012, 08:48 AM

Ah, so we're supposed to impose our will on our enemies, and justify it by saying that we do it out of love!

Gaetan is certainly living up to the highest of Christian ideals. Of course, that's something like saying you smell as sweet as a cesspool....

Gaetan · 11th January 2012, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by Dinwar

Ah, so we're supposed to impose our will on our enemies, and justify it by saying that we do it out of love!

You people in US are so much fed by what is garbage from your medias than it seems that you can't make the difference of what is good or bad.

Dinwar · 11th January 2012, 09:33 AM

No, I think we can pretty well. Ripping babies from the arms of their mothers=bad. Causing 5 billion people to starve to death or die in bloody war=bad. Basing economic theories on delusions and fairytales=bad. Seeing generation after generation broken under the yolk of forced manual labor and subsistance farming=bad. In contrast, allowing people to live their own lives=good. Paying for what you get=good. Technology that keeps people alive and lets them live happy, fulfilling lives=good.

But we're the enemy, and you've already stated that you consider forcing us--through violence, if necessary--to comply with what YOU think we should do is perfectly acceptable to you, so I doubt any of this will get through to you.

Gaetan · 11th January 2012, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Dinwar

No, I think we can pretty well. Ripping babies from the arms of their mothers=bad. Causing 5 billion people to starve to death or die in bloody war=bad. Basing economic theories on delusions and fairytales=bad. Seeing generation after generation broken under the yolk of forced manual labor and subsistance farming=bad. In contrast, allowing people to live their own lives=good. Paying for what you get=good. Technology that keeps people alive and lets them live happy, fulfilling lives=good.

But we're the enemy, and you've already stated that you consider forcing us--through violence, if necessary--to comply with what YOU think we should do is perfectly acceptable to you, so I doubt any of this will get through to you.

All this is a load of ... coming from your bad faith.

Dinwar · 11th January 2012, 10:09 AM

Brilliant counter-argument! An ad homonym attack, completely lacking in substance.

RoboTimbo · 11th January 2012, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

You people in US are so much fed by what is garbage from your medias than it seems that you can't make the difference of what is good or bad.

That isn't an argument, that's you stamping your foot and pouting. This time, try to make an actual argument based on real evidence. Now, why do you think that eliminating money to help your demon friends is something that sane people would agree to do?

Craig4 · 11th January 2012, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

All this is a load of ... coming from your bad faith.

Amusing. Faith is nothing. It's the preserve of those who are weak of will or weak of intellect. It's time humanity learned to get through without the intellectual equivalent of a nightlight.

Craig4 · 11th January 2012, 10:56 AM

Why would we want to get rid of one of the very few things people agree on? The value of money is one of the few things that makes us equal. A dollar in my pocket is the same as a dollar in your pocket. I see no compelling reason to abandon one of a precious few civilizing influences in humanity.

Gaetan · 11th January 2012, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

Why would we want to get rid of one of the very few things people agree on?

How do you know that peoples agree with money, most people think it is stupid.

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The value of money is one of the few things that makes us equal.

Absulutely not a guy making $2 a day doesn't have the same privilege than another making $200 a day where is that equal.

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I see no compelling reason to abandon one of a precious few civilizing influences in humanity.

When you live under slavery since you are born and you know nothing else you are affraid to be free, ask any psychiatrist, he'll confirm that.

RoboTimbo · 11th January 2012, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

How do you know that peoples agree with money, most people think it is stupid.

How do you know that people think money is stupid? Most people agree that they would like to have millions of dollars.

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Absulutely not a guy making $2 a day doesn't have the same privilege than another making $200 a day where is that equal.

Well done! You understand that $2 and $200 are different amounts!

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When you live under slavery since you are born and you know nothing else you are affraid to be free, ask any psychiatrist, he'll confirm that.

Can I have the phone number for yours? I do have some questions to ask him.

Dinwar · 11th January 2012, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

most people think it is stupid.

Mere assertion

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Absulutely not a guy making $2 a day doesn't have the same privilege than another making $200 a day where is that equal.

$2 is $2, no matter who holds it. That's the equality.

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When you live under slavery since you are born and you know nothing else you are affraid to be free, ask any psychiatrist, he'll confirm that.

You've never proved that a money-based economy is slavery, and we've demonstrated time and time again that your imaginary Utopia IS a slave society.

Joecool · 11th January 2012, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

How do you know that peoples agree with money, most people think it is stupid.

People don't have to agree. But it's still better than not having money. Show evidence that most people think money is stupid. Most people on this forum disagree with you.

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Absulutely not a guy making $2 a day doesn't have the same privilege than another making $200 a day where is that equal.

And what is wrong with that? Who said everything must be equal. The society you propose has slaves. You think it's fair and equal for someone to be a slave?

Originally Posted by Gaetan

When you live under slavery since you are born and you know nothing else you are affraid to be free, ask any psychiatrist, he'll confirm that.

So why does your proposed society without money have SLAVERY?

Gaetan · 11th January 2012, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Joecool

People don't have to agree. But it's still better than not having money. Show evidence that most people think money is stupid. Most people on this forum disagree with you.

And what is wrong with that? Who said everything must be equal. The society you propose has slaves. You think it's fair and equal for someone to be a slave?

So why does your proposed society without money have SLAVERY?

You are also of bad faith and your lies repeated 1 thousand times don't make it true

RoboTimbo · 11th January 2012, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

You are also of bad faith and your lies repeated 1 thousand times don't make it true

So says Satan. Why do you want 5 billion people to die of barbarity? Does a weird religion think that is "helping" them?

Joecool · 11th January 2012, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

You are also of bad faith and your lies repeated 1 thousand times don't make it true

You are of bad faith and you are the bad monkey. What lies have I told?

Everything I said about your Utopia society came right out of the book.

It is you, Satan who is the prince of all liars.

Dinwar · 11th January 2012, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

You are also of bad faith and your lies repeated 1 thousand times don't make it true

We've given our arguments for tens of pages. We have pulled quotes directly from YOUR SOURCES and proven that BY YOUR OWN LOGIC your system will necessarily fail. You don't want to listen. Ignoring the truth doesn't make it lies.

Gaetan · 11th January 2012, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Joecool

Show evidence that most people think money is stupid. Most people on this forum disagree with you.

There have been a survey put on this post and most peoples think money is stupid

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And what is wrong with that? Who said everything must be equal. The society you propose has slaves. You think it's fair and equal for someone to be a slave?So why does your proposed society without money have SLAVERY?

Here are some of your lies and bad faith

Tomtomkent · 11th January 2012, 01:43 PM

So where is the survey data?

RoboTimbo · 11th January 2012, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

There have been a survey put on this post and most peoples think money is stupid

Here are some of your lies and bad faith

So says Satan, the king of lies. Why do you want to steal babies from their mothers like the loony king of the fictional island of Utopia?

Joecool · 11th January 2012, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

There have been a survey put on this post and most peoples think money is stupid

Here are some of your lies and bad faith

Where's your survey?

Those aren't lies. You based your proposal of a no money society on a book written by Sir Thomas More called Utopia. The society in the book had slaves. Are you saying the book's fictional society didn;t have slaves?

I think you, Gaetan have told so many lies and twisted so many words that you cannot even remember what you are proposing at this time.

Gaetan · 11th January 2012, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Tomtomkent

So where is the survey data?

Page 13 post 502

Joecool · 11th January 2012, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Page 13 post 502

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php...g+money+is+bad

Wow, that is really scientific. Even if that survey were valid (it's not), you still have almost half the people not wanting to abolish money. That alone is proof that your system can never work.

9th January 2012, 05:49 PM	#2121
Gaetan Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,356	Originally Posted by Dinwar So just to be clear: the criteria for saving someone's life is the inverse of how you feel about them. Helping someone you love is evil, and will earn you eternal damnation. Helping strangers is pure, and will earn you eternal salvation. I can only assume that helping one's enemies would be even better. Yes you should help your ennemies before you help anybody.
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9th January 2012, 06:47 PM	#2123
Gaetan Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,356	Originally Posted by RoboTimbo So you should be helping money. By abolishing money we don't help money but we help demons like you.
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9th January 2012, 06:50 PM	#2124
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Prosperity, AZ Posts: 22,063	Originally Posted by Gaetan By abolishing money we don't help money but we help demons like you. So abolishing money helps demons then?
	Last edited by RoboTimbo; 9th January 2012 at 06:53 PM. Reason: Needed to add Gaetan's quote in case he edited later.

9th January 2012, 10:06 PM	#2125
Tomtomkent Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Kent, United Kingdom Posts: 5,355	Demons like us? Great now I don't exist.
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9th January 2012, 10:14 PM	#2126
AdMan Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 7,353	Originally Posted by Gaetan By abolishing money we don't help money but we help demons like you. It is obvious by your posts that the only demon here who wants to bring destruction to humanity is you, Gaetan/Satan.
AdMan Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 7,353	__________________ It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

9th January 2012, 05:59 PM	#2122
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Prosperity, AZ Posts: 22,063	So you should be helping money.

10th January 2012, 07:35 AM	#2127
Gaetan Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,356	Originally Posted by RoboTimbo So abolishing money helps demons then? Yes and taking off arms from demons help demons to not commit crimes and their victimes as well. Commit a crime is sentensed by hell. You should repent.
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10th January 2012, 08:12 AM	#2128
Tomtomkent Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Kent, United Kingdom Posts: 5,355	Originally Posted by Gaetan Yes and taking off arms from demons help demons to not commit crimes and their victimes as well. Commit a crime is sentensed by hell. You should repent. That does not sound helpful to the Demon. The Demon wants to commit further crimes. You are infact HINDERING him. So why exactly are you so determined to impoose your worldview upon others against their will then claim it is "helping" them? And why do you continue to engage in threats about hell? Are you unable to offer a reason why your plan would simply be the better course of action for its own reasons? Or is fear of hell all you have: "Do what I say or suffer" is hardly convincing of the higher moral ground.
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10th January 2012, 08:17 AM	#2129
Dinwar Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,183	Originally Posted by Gaetan Yes you should help your ennemies before you help anybody. I've had people attempt to murder me. As in, when the police arived the guy was loading the rifle. I consider such a person an enemy. Should I slit my wrists, to help him? If not, why should I starve myself to help him? And why don't God, Jesus, the angles, the arcangels, the saints, or any others in your pantheon help those who opposed them? Why didn't Joan of Arc help the English--her sworn enemies? Why did Paul and the other Appostles help the early Christians, and not the Romans trying to crush the religion? Why did the saints at the foundation of Cluny and other monistaries not help the barbarians who were sacking and looting monistaries? Why isn't the Pope helping Richard Dawkins? Seems that your religion views such morality as only appropriate for the lesser people--the higher-ups reject it categorically. If I were you, I'd ask why. Quote: Commit a crime is sentensed by hell. Except that several of the Diciples were criminals. St. Paul spent a fair amount of time in jail. You're as bad at theology as you are at economics.
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10th January 2012, 08:43 AM	#2130
Joecool Muse Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Hawaii Posts: 980	Originally Posted by Gaetan Yes you should help your ennemies before you help anybody. Since YOU brought up the Biblical reference, Jesus didn't ever say you should "help" your enemies.

10th January 2012, 09:08 AM	#2131
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Prosperity, AZ Posts: 22,063	Originally Posted by Gaetan Yes and taking off arms from demons help demons to not commit crimes and their victimes as well. Commit a crime is sentensed by hell. You should repent. You are becoming more incoherent as you go. You now admit that eliminating money is helpful to demons. You make it obvious that you are Satan and your agenda is to introduce more and more evil into the world. Now you have admitted that you are in league with demons and want to help them. Is there any reason at all that people should join in your evil scheme to eliminate money and bring ruin and destruction to the world and help your demon friends and see the deaths of 5 billion people who you've "helped"?

10th January 2012, 09:46 AM	#2132
Craig4 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 5,398	Originally Posted by Gaetan Yes and taking off arms from demons help demons to not commit crimes and their victimes as well. Commit a crime is sentensed by hell. You should repent. Prove demons exist.
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10th January 2012, 09:48 AM	#2133
Craig4 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 5,398	Originally Posted by Gaetan Yes you should help your ennemies before you help anybody. Help them to a good smiting perhaps.
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10th January 2012, 12:11 PM	#2134
Joecool Muse Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Hawaii Posts: 980	Originally Posted by Gaetan By abolishing money we don't help money but we help demons like you. This is quite interesting. Gaetan is calling everyone demons for opposing him. LOL. Ironically, he wants to eliminate money so small third world countries can starve. He wants a society where there is slavery and where babies are arbitrarily taken from their mothers. He thinks people will work for free and that resources drop out of the sky. I think this is why high schools have the anti drug campaigns.

10th January 2012, 12:33 PM	#2135
Tomtomkent Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Kent, United Kingdom Posts: 5,355	I am still waiting for a reason value is an ilussion but demons or good or evil are real.
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11th January 2012, 08:43 AM	#2136
Gaetan Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,356	Originally Posted by Joecool Since YOU brought up the Biblical reference, Jesus didn't ever say you should "help" your enemies. When i say to help your ennemies i mean to do something positive. If you pay more drink to a man drunk, your ennemy, you won't help him, it is the opposite of what you should do, you should offer him to bring him back home. All this means to help your ennemies: Luke, English standard version, Love Your Enemies 6.27 “But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. 29 To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic[b] either. 30 Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. 31 And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them. 32 “If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. 35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. 36 Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.
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11th January 2012, 08:48 AM	#2137
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Prosperity, AZ Posts: 22,063	Originally Posted by Gaetan When i say to help your ennemies i mean to do something positive. If you pay more drink to a man drunk, your ennemy, you won't help him, it is the opposite of what you should do, you should offer him to bring him back home. So you think that eliminating money would help demons and you want to help 5 billion people die of barbarity?

11th January 2012, 08:48 AM	#2138
Tomtomkent Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Kent, United Kingdom Posts: 5,355	Originally Posted by Gaetan When i say to help your ennemies i mean to do something positive. But the action you described is not helpful to them, it hinders them. From their view this is not possitive.
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11th January 2012, 08:48 AM	#2139
Dinwar Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,183	Ah, so we're supposed to impose our will on our enemies, and justify it by saying that we do it out of love! Gaetan is certainly living up to the highest of Christian ideals. Of course, that's something like saying you smell as sweet as a cesspool....
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11th January 2012, 09:27 AM	#2140
Gaetan Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,356	Originally Posted by Dinwar Ah, so we're supposed to impose our will on our enemies, and justify it by saying that we do it out of love! You people in US are so much fed by what is garbage from your medias than it seems that you can't make the difference of what is good or bad.
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11th January 2012, 09:33 AM	#2141
Dinwar Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,183	No, I think we can pretty well. Ripping babies from the arms of their mothers=bad. Causing 5 billion people to starve to death or die in bloody war=bad. Basing economic theories on delusions and fairytales=bad. Seeing generation after generation broken under the yolk of forced manual labor and subsistance farming=bad. In contrast, allowing people to live their own lives=good. Paying for what you get=good. Technology that keeps people alive and lets them live happy, fulfilling lives=good. But we're the enemy, and you've already stated that you consider forcing us--through violence, if necessary--to comply with what YOU think we should do is perfectly acceptable to you, so I doubt any of this will get through to you.
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11th January 2012, 10:01 AM	#2142
Gaetan Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,356	Originally Posted by Dinwar No, I think we can pretty well. Ripping babies from the arms of their mothers=bad. Causing 5 billion people to starve to death or die in bloody war=bad. Basing economic theories on delusions and fairytales=bad. Seeing generation after generation broken under the yolk of forced manual labor and subsistance farming=bad. In contrast, allowing people to live their own lives=good. Paying for what you get=good. Technology that keeps people alive and lets them live happy, fulfilling lives=good. But we're the enemy, and you've already stated that you consider forcing us--through violence, if necessary--to comply with what YOU think we should do is perfectly acceptable to you, so I doubt any of this will get through to you. All this is a load of ... coming from your bad faith.
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11th January 2012, 10:09 AM	#2143
Dinwar Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,183	Brilliant counter-argument! An ad homonym attack, completely lacking in substance.
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11th January 2012, 10:24 AM	#2144
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Prosperity, AZ Posts: 22,063	Originally Posted by Gaetan You people in US are so much fed by what is garbage from your medias than it seems that you can't make the difference of what is good or bad. That isn't an argument, that's you stamping your foot and pouting. This time, try to make an actual argument based on real evidence. Now, why do you think that eliminating money to help your demon friends is something that sane people would agree to do?

11th January 2012, 10:54 AM	#2145
Craig4 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 5,398	Originally Posted by Gaetan All this is a load of ... coming from your bad faith. Amusing. Faith is nothing. It's the preserve of those who are weak of will or weak of intellect. It's time humanity learned to get through without the intellectual equivalent of a nightlight.
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11th January 2012, 10:56 AM	#2146
Craig4 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 5,398	Why would we want to get rid of one of the very few things people agree on? The value of money is one of the few things that makes us equal. A dollar in my pocket is the same as a dollar in your pocket. I see no compelling reason to abandon one of a precious few civilizing influences in humanity.
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11th January 2012, 11:19 AM	#2147
Gaetan Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,356	Originally Posted by Craig4 Why would we want to get rid of one of the very few things people agree on? How do you know that peoples agree with money, most people think it is stupid. Quote: The value of money is one of the few things that makes us equal. Absulutely not a guy making $2 a day doesn't have the same privilege than another making $200 a day where is that equal. Quote: I see no compelling reason to abandon one of a precious few civilizing influences in humanity. When you live under slavery since you are born and you know nothing else you are affraid to be free, ask any psychiatrist, he'll confirm that.
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11th January 2012, 11:21 AM	#2148
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Prosperity, AZ Posts: 22,063	Originally Posted by Gaetan How do you know that peoples agree with money, most people think it is stupid. How do you know that people think money is stupid? Most people agree that they would like to have millions of dollars. Quote: Absulutely not a guy making $2 a day doesn't have the same privilege than another making $200 a day where is that equal. Well done! You understand that $2 and $200 are different amounts! Quote: When you live under slavery since you are born and you know nothing else you are affraid to be free, ask any psychiatrist, he'll confirm that. Can I have the phone number for yours? I do have some questions to ask him.

11th January 2012, 11:25 AM	#2149
Dinwar Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,183	Originally Posted by Gaetan most people think it is stupid. Mere assertion Quote: Absulutely not a guy making $2 a day doesn't have the same privilege than another making $200 a day where is that equal. $2 is $2, no matter who holds it. That's the equality. Quote: When you live under slavery since you are born and you know nothing else you are affraid to be free, ask any psychiatrist, he'll confirm that. You've never proved that a money-based economy is slavery, and we've demonstrated time and time again that your imaginary Utopia IS a slave society.
Dinwar Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,183	__________________ GENERATION 8: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment. Ein krieg ohne feinde.

11th January 2012, 11:28 AM	#2150
Joecool Muse Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Hawaii Posts: 980	Originally Posted by Gaetan How do you know that peoples agree with money, most people think it is stupid. People don't have to agree. But it's still better than not having money. Show evidence that most people think money is stupid. Most people on this forum disagree with you. Originally Posted by Gaetan Absulutely not a guy making $2 a day doesn't have the same privilege than another making $200 a day where is that equal. And what is wrong with that? Who said everything must be equal. The society you propose has slaves. You think it's fair and equal for someone to be a slave? Originally Posted by Gaetan When you live under slavery since you are born and you know nothing else you are affraid to be free, ask any psychiatrist, he'll confirm that. So why does your proposed society without money have SLAVERY?

11th January 2012, 01:10 PM	#2151
Gaetan Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,356	Originally Posted by Joecool People don't have to agree. But it's still better than not having money. Show evidence that most people think money is stupid. Most people on this forum disagree with you. And what is wrong with that? Who said everything must be equal. The society you propose has slaves. You think it's fair and equal for someone to be a slave? So why does your proposed society without money have SLAVERY? You are also of bad faith and your lies repeated 1 thousand times don't make it true
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11th January 2012, 01:12 PM	#2152
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Prosperity, AZ Posts: 22,063	Originally Posted by Gaetan You are also of bad faith and your lies repeated 1 thousand times don't make it true So says Satan. Why do you want 5 billion people to die of barbarity? Does a weird religion think that is "helping" them?

11th January 2012, 01:16 PM	#2153
Joecool Muse Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Hawaii Posts: 980	Originally Posted by Gaetan You are also of bad faith and your lies repeated 1 thousand times don't make it true You are of bad faith and you are the bad monkey. What lies have I told? Everything I said about your Utopia society came right out of the book. It is you, Satan who is the prince of all liars.

11th January 2012, 01:27 PM	#2154
Dinwar Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,183	Originally Posted by Gaetan You are also of bad faith and your lies repeated 1 thousand times don't make it true We've given our arguments for tens of pages. We have pulled quotes directly from YOUR SOURCES and proven that BY YOUR OWN LOGIC your system will necessarily fail. You don't want to listen. Ignoring the truth doesn't make it lies.
Dinwar Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,183	__________________ GENERATION 8: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment. Ein krieg ohne feinde.

11th January 2012, 01:29 PM	#2155
Gaetan Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,356	Originally Posted by Joecool Show evidence that most people think money is stupid. Most people on this forum disagree with you. There have been a survey put on this post and most peoples think money is stupid Quote: And what is wrong with that? Who said everything must be equal. The society you propose has slaves. You think it's fair and equal for someone to be a slave?So why does your proposed society without money have SLAVERY? Here are some of your lies and bad faith
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