Moderated: Money

[Dinwar]

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If i talk about jesus Christ is because people ask me question but my arguments are mainly economic.

No. You call money "Satanic", which is a RELIGIOUS, not an ECONOMIC, term, for example.

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Arguments of the group occupy wall street are facts not fiction. This is true that 1% of the population takes adventage of 99%, these are fact not fiction.

Prove it. I don't believe it. And OWS has made itself a mockery of itself.

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Again my argument is economic, the reason why people don't work is because there is no investment and in my system there is no need of investment since ressources are free.

And I've shown, again and again and again and again and again, that resources ARE NOT free. Unless you care to eat a recycled apple?

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You have exagerated what i said

No, I've pretty much taken you at your word.

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what i said but if the farmer don't want to work for the community i also said to ignore him

No, you specifically said that your society would take his property and throw him out.

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and you exagarated what lord Thomas More said in his book

Impossible, and this proves that you're nothing but a lier. WE QUOTED THE BLOODY THING. What we used to support our arguments were HIS OWN WORDS.

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All you are good for is twist word but i told you that already, and all you want is that people die in starvation and misery for just your own profit.

No. The person who quotes the work directly is not guilty of twisting words. The one who refuses to acknowledge the quotes, is.

[Joecool]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Arguments of the group occupy wall street are facts not fiction. This is true that 1% of the population takes adventage of 99%, these are fact not fiction.

If this is a fact, you should be able to post some evidence. Where is it?

[Dinwar]

I should specify about OWS: Some of their arguments are good. There's a lot of corruption, a lot of stupidity, etc., at all levels of society. However, the fact that they occasionally get something right doesn't mean that they're generally right. Someone with a freethrow average of 2% is going to make a few baskets, but that doesn't mean you sign him up for the team. So merely providing one or two examples of arguments where they reach the right conclusion isn't good enough. Each argument must be evaluated on its own merits. It's a basic truism of any debate, but particularly important to remember when discussing a group that has as little credibility as OWS (or the Tea Party, for that matter--before anyone jumps on me as a Tea Party supporter, I should say that no, I'm not, and I consider them to be wrong on a large number of issues as well).

[Gaetan]

Originally Posted by Dinwar

No. You call money "Satanic", which is a RELIGIOUS, not an ECONOMIC, term, for example.

If i call it satanic it is because it is satanic but it is not my only argument

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Prove it. I don't believe it. And OWS has made itself a mockery of itself.

People unemployed and in misery is a mockery for you. All you think about is your own indidual person, all you care about is yourself.

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And I've shown, again and again and again and again and again, that resources ARE NOT free. Unless you care to eat a recycled apple?

If ressources are not free it is because of money capitalist system so a small group of companies have their hands on resources of the planet

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No, I've pretty much taken you at your word.

No, you specifically said that your society would take his property and throw him out.

Bad faith of you

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Impossible, and this proves that you're nothing but a lier. WE QUOTED THE BLOODY THING. What we used to support our arguments were HIS OWN WORDS.

The person who are of bad faith and lie here is you

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No. The person who quotes the work directly is not guilty of twisting words. The one who refuses to acknowledge the quotes, is

Bad faith again

[Gaetan]

Originally Posted by Joecool

If this is a fact, you should be able to post some evidence. Where is it?

I post it already

[Joecool]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

I post it already

Where's the link? Or did you just make it up like most of your assertions?

[Gaetan]

Originally Posted by Joecool

Where's the link? Or did you just make it up like most of your assertions?

I don't have to do all the work for you. Just an exemple»: In Haïti the government wanted to rise the minimum wage to $5 dailay but american companies complain about it, found the link yourself, you'll have do some work outside watching people on internet for Bush.

[Dinwar]

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If i call it satanic it is because it is satanic but it is not my only argument

It's your most common one recently. And the rest of your arguments have been shown to be similarly flawed.

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All you think about is your own indidual person, all you care about is yourself.

I'm an Objectivist. You're right. I consider it a good thing.

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If ressources are not free it is because of money capitalist system so a small group of companies have their hands on resources of the planet

No. As I've explained to you--and which you've failed to show to be wrong--resources cost time and effort to obtain, even if they don't cost dollars and cents. Thus, they are not free. If I continuously produce resources and do not get the equivalent value back, I literally work myself to death.

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Bad faith of you

I'm not religious. Faith means nothing to me. This is Argument from Mythology.

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The person who are of bad faith and lie here is you

I QUOTED THE BOOK. Are you calling QUOTES lies?!

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Bad faith again

More Argument from Mythology.

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In Haïti the government wanted to rise the minimum wage to $5 dailay but american companies complain about it,

Do you understand the arguments involved? Do you have any comprehension of the COST of a minimum wage? Are you aware of the flagrant hypocracy of demanding more money while arguing that it's the tool of your fictional devil?

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you'll have do some work outside watching people on internet for Bush.

The concept of burden of proof is lost on you, it seems. YOU made the assertion, YOU back it up. I'm not obligated to make your argument for you.

[AdMan]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

I don't have to do all the work for you. Just an exemple»: In Haïti the government wanted to rise the minimum wage to $5 dailay but american companies complain about it, found the link yourself, you'll have do some work outside watching people on internet for Bush.

Bush??

Do you know this is 2012?

[Dinwar]

His sources are a bronze-age book and a book from the 1500s, so probably not.

[Joecool]

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Originally Posted by Gaetan
Arguments of the group occupy wall street are facts not fiction. This is true that 1% of the population takes adventage of 99%, these are fact not fiction.

Originally Posted by Gaetan

I don't have to do all the work for you. Just an exemple»: In Haïti the government wanted to rise the minimum wage to $5 dailay but american companies complain about it, found the link yourself, you'll have do some work outside watching people on internet for Bush.

I'm not asking you to do work. Just to back up your claim. Where did you get that 1% of the world takes advantage of the rest? What exactly is it to take advantage of all these people?

If I work hard and gain some wealth, I'm taking advantage of starving people in Africa? Or if I work hard and earn a nice living, I'm taking advantage of people in Indonesia?

Where do you get your wacko material?

[MIKILLINI]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

What i told you is that old testimony doesn't come from God but Satan and men. God doesn't ask for himself first of all and second with God there is NO OBLIGATION but complete freedom. Obligation is satanic, remember what Jesus Christ taught you: You can work on sabbat, you can eat what you want, you don't have to wash before eating and so on, THERE IS NO OBLIGATION.

Using money for trading and equity is the only way one makes profits and gets paid for their labor. It then becomes up to the person to donate (by their own free will) to what they prefer. Therefore the money system is NOT Satanic; how else would Jesus have acquired minas?

"So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas. `Put this money to work,' he said,`until I come back.'"
Luke 19:13 (NIV). See also Matt. 25:14.

You still hath no basis for making your case...Status: Still failing

[Gaetan]

Originally Posted by MIKILLINI

Using money for trading and equity is the only way one makes profits and gets paid for their labor. It then becomes up to the person to donate (by their own free will) to what they prefer. Therefore the money system is NOT Satanic; how else would Jesus have acquired minas?

"So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas. `Put this money to work,' he said,`until I come back.'"
Luke 19:13 (NIV). See also Matt. 25:14.

You still hath no basis for making your case...Status: Still failing

If you trade it is satanic and the use of money for it is to use an evil tool. What you do for your neighbour got to be done for free: If he needs food, water, services, it got to be done for free to comply with God values. Jesus said to give to Cesar what belongs to Cesar and to God what belongs to God, so what is done for free for your neighbour:GOOD ACTIONS, VOLONTARY WORK, FOOD YOU GIVE FOR FREE, ASSISTANCE TO PEOPLES IN NEED,comply with God and when you use money it complies with evil.

So Jesus taught to not use money but if you use money you got to make sure it has no effect, you got to make sure it circulates freely, that's what he said in the minas which is the way to deal with money, having the money circulate doesn't have effect on people because all it does is to circulate from one hand to other so that everybody got a piece of it, and the bad servant was blamed to not circulate the money.

As you see, in the world, money doesn't circulate and that's the problem we got dealing with money, rich keep the money and don't put it back in the economy, that's why we got so much poor, there is no investment, there is no return of the money from rich to poor, they got no upportunity to work to create wealth for their countries. So as it doesn't work but for only 1% of the earth population we got to get rid of it.

[Belz...]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Listen, the purpose of a mafious tax for evil is to shift his own crime on you, so if you eat restricted food he'll take hold of you and blame you for that. He'll just say that you should obey to the tax. With God there is no obligation or tax on you, that's why Jesus denounced them all

Did it ever occur to you that:

1) People use money because it's convenient.

2) Jesus was wrong.

?

[Belz...]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

First of all my argument are not based on myths

Satan is more myth than economy.

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but on economy

History proves you wrong.

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and second if you don't want to work in a no money system you don't have to lazy fellow.

That's interesting. Seeing as how humans are naturally lazy, why would anyone work ?

[Belz...]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

This is a lie and tell me why your system according to the group occupy wall street your money economic system is only good for 1% of the world population

That's not what OWS says.

[RoboTimbo]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

If you trade it is satanic and the use of money for it is to use an evil tool. What you do for your neighbour got to be done for free: If he needs food, water, services, it got to be done for free to comply with God values. Jesus said to give to Cesar what belongs to Cesar and to God what belongs to God, so what is done for free for your neighbour:GOOD ACTIONS, VOLONTARY WORK, FOOD YOU GIVE FOR FREE, ASSISTANCE TO PEOPLES IN NEED,comply with God and when you use money it complies with evil.

So you only use arguments from looney religion?

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So Jesus taught to not use money but if you use money you got to make sure it has no effect, you got to make sure it circulates freely, that's what he said in the minas which is the way to deal with money, having the money circulate doesn't have effect on people because all it does is to circulate from one hand to other so that everybody got a piece of it, and the bad servant was blamed to not circulate the money.

Argument from looney religion.

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As you see, in the world, money doesn't circulate and that's the problem we got dealing with money, rich keep the money and don't put it back in the economy, that's why we got so much poor, there is no investment, there is no return of the money from rich to poor, they got no upportunity to work to create wealth for their countries. So as it doesn't work but for only 1% of the earth population we got to get rid of it.

Argument from not understanding economy and not understanding fiction books but thinking they are real.

[Dinwar]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

If you trade it is satanic and the use of money for it is to use an evil tool. What you do for your neighbour got to be done for free: If he needs food, water, services, it got to be done for free to comply with God values. Jesus said to give to Cesar what belongs to Cesar and to God what belongs to God, so what is done for free for your neighbour:GOOD ACTIONS, VOLONTARY WORK, FOOD YOU GIVE FOR FREE, ASSISTANCE TO PEOPLES IN NEED,comply with God and when you use money it complies with evil.

Argument from Mythology.

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So Jesus taught to not use money but if you use money you got to make sure it has no effect, you got to make sure it circulates freely, that's what he said in the minas which is the way to deal with money, having the money circulate doesn't have effect on people because all it does is to circulate from one hand to other so that everybody got a piece of it, and the bad servant was blamed to not circulate the money.

Argument from Mythology.

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As you see, in the world, money doesn't circulate and that's the problem we got dealing with money, rich keep the money and don't put it back in the economy,

This is just stupid, and has been shown to be false. Rich people INVEST their money--that's how they STAY rich.

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that's why we got so much poor, there is no investment, there is no return of the money from rich to poor,

"Investment" does not mean giving money to the poor--it means giving money to productive or potentially productive people.

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they got no upportunity to work to create wealth for their countries.

Well, the fact that their governments "nationalize" (read, steal) any productive enterprise, have the stability of a Jenga game during a 7.0 earthquake, use relief supplies as bate, and generally do everything they can to turn their countries into Medieval backwaters may have something to do with it as well.

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So as it doesn't work but for only 1% of the earth population we got to get rid of it.

You've yet to demonstrate that this is true. It certainly doesn't follow that if something only currently works for 1% it must be eliminated, and the fact that you typed this on a computer indicates that your facts are the brown smelly stuff bovines produce. The poorest people in the USA lives better than many Medieval lords. THAT is what money does.

Originally Posted by Belz...

Did it ever occur to you that:

After nearly 65 pages of me saying it, it still hasn't occurred to Gaetan that not everyone believes his religion. He's incapable of seeing things from any point of view but his, I believe, so he's incapable of considering the possibility that he, or his gods, are wrong. I think that's why he keeps repeating himself--that argument makes sense to HIM, so it must make sense to US.

[Gaetan]

Originally Posted by Dinwar

Argument from Mythology.

Argument from Mythology.

This is just stupid, and has been shown to be false. Rich people INVEST their money--that's how they STAY rich.

"Investment" does not mean giving money to the poor--it means giving money to productive or potentially productive people.

Well, the fact that their governments "nationalize" (read, steal) any productive enterprise, have the stability of a Jenga game during a 7.0 earthquake, use relief supplies as bate, and generally do everything they can to turn their countries into Medieval backwaters may have something to do with it as well.

You've yet to demonstrate that this is true. It certainly doesn't follow that if something only currently works for 1% it must be eliminated, and the fact that you typed this on a computer indicates that your facts are the brown smelly stuff bovines produce. The poorest people in the USA lives better than many Medieval lords. THAT is what money does.

After nearly 65 pages of me saying it, it still hasn't occurred to Gaetan that not everyone believes his religion. He's incapable of seeing things from any point of view but his, I believe, so he's incapable of considering the possibility that he, or his gods, are wrong. I think that's why he keeps repeating himself--that argument makes sense to HIM, so it must make sense to US.

Poor and stupid arguments made for your own benifit or for the one of rich people. After all that you can go back to Bush or Obama watching business and this is good for Robo Timbo as well.

[Dinwar]

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Poor and stupid arguments made for your own benifit or for the one of rich people.

This is not a counter-argument by any definition. It's called "evading the issues".

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After all that you can go back to Bush or Obama watching business

I don't even know what this means.

[RoboTimbo]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Poor and stupid arguments made for your own benifit or for the one of rich people.

I wondered for whose benefit you were making stupid arguments. Thanks for clarifying.

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After all that you can go back to Bush or Obama watching business and this is good for Robo Timbo as well.

This doesn't really mean anything. Would you like to try to formulate an actual logical argument?

[Gaetan]

Originally Posted by Dinwar

This is not a counter-argument by any definition. It's called "evading the issues".

I did enough posts to answer to your stupidities, you can go back to the previous pages and read it.

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I don't even know what this means.

A representant of Obama said that he can kill any people without taking him to court, that's what Obama does anyway. They take a movie of the killer during his action and the present it to Obama in direct at the white house with a few fellow and if you look at the republican they all look like evil rats waiting to take his place.

[AdMan]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

A representant of Obama said that he can kill any people without taking him to court, that's what Obama does anyway. They take a movie of the killer during his action and the present it to Obama in direct at the white house with a few fellow and if you look at the republican they all look like evil rats waiting to take his place.

Are you simply unable to stay on topic?

[RoboTimbo]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

I did enough posts to answer to your stupidities, you can go back to the previous pages and read it.



A representant of Obama said that he can kill any people without taking him to court, that's what Obama does anyway. They take a movie of the killer during his action and the present it to Obama in direct at the white house with a few fellow and if you look at the republican they all look like evil rats waiting to take his place.

What does this fevered rambling have to do with you being Satan and wanting to steal babies from their mothers because one of your fiction books told you to?

[Tomtomkent]

Gaetan. Please try to address the following example to explain how your system is any less evil than any other;

The UK produces 150 units of food.
Africa produces 100.

The UK could survive on 65 units of food if we ONLY ate what we needed. It consumes 85.
Africa requires 250 units.

How does your system ensure everybody can take as much as they like and nobody goes hungry?
How much food does the UK keep?

[Dinwar]

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I did enough posts to answer to your stupidities, you can go back to the previous pages and read it.

No, you more or less insulted me, said I was "of bad faith", and then hid behind your Holy Books. None of which are counter-arguments.

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A representant of Obama said that he can kill any people without taking him to court, that's what Obama does anyway. They take a movie of the killer during his action and the present it to Obama in direct at the white house with a few fellow and if you look at the republican they all look like evil rats waiting to take his plac

As I support neither party, I'm not at all sure what this has to do with me--and that's giving you the best of it, assuming it's an ad homenim attack against me, which is illogical but at least MARGINALLY on-topic.

[Gaetan]

Originally Posted by Tomtomkent

Gaetan. Please try to address the following example to explain how your system is any less evil than any other;

The UK produces 150 units of food.
Africa produces 100.

The UK could survive on 65 units of food if we ONLY ate what we needed. It consumes 85.
Africa requires 250 units.

How does your system ensure everybody can take as much as they like and nobody goes hungry?
How much food does the UK keep?

The earth can produce enough food for everybody, the problem is that some people or countries don't have the money to buy it from other countries who can produce more than they need. In some countries they got the possibility to produce but farmers don't have the money to buy the machines to produce more. As under no money system all we got to do is to give food or what they need to produce for free.

[RoboTimbo]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

The earth can produce enough food for everybody, the problem is that some people or countries don't have the money to buy it from other countries who can produce more than they need. In some countries they got the possibility to produce but farmers don't have the money to buy the machines to produce more. As under no money system all we got to do is to give food or what they need to produce for free.

We already do that. Do you have any logical arguments?

[Gaetan]

Originally Posted by RoboTimbo

We already do that. Do you have any logical arguments?

This is another af your stupid post that i don't bother to answer all the time. If you already do that, how come there are people dying of starvation or bad nutrition in the world?

[RoboTimbo]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

This is another af your stupid post that i don't bother to answer all the time. If you already do that, how come there are people dying of starvation or bad nutrition in the world?

You keep making stupid arguments and using your looney religion. Why do you think they die of starvation or bad nutrition?

[Gaetan]

Originally Posted by RoboTimbo

You keep making stupid arguments and using your looney religion. Why do you think they die of starvation or bad nutrition?

This is another one of your stupid posts that i don't bother to answer all the time. If they die of starvation or bad nutrition it is because they don't have enough food.

[RoboTimbo]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

This is another one of your stupid posts that i don't bother to answer all the time. If they die of starvation or bad nutrition it is because they don't have enough food.

This is another of your looney posts that you don't bother to think about. Think this time, and not about your looney religion. WHY do they not have enough food?

[Dinwar]

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The earth can produce enough food for everybody, the problem is that some people or countries don't have the money to buy it from other countries who can produce more than they need.

I'd say the booby-traps that many organizations place around the relief shipments has a bit to do with it. As does the tendancy of...well, any number of armed organizations, really, to confiscate the food for its own purposes, keeping it from the ones who are starving.

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In some countries they got the possibility to produce but farmers don't have the money to buy the machines to produce more.

I've been to one such country, which I'm certain is one more than you have. The reason it lost its equipment? When the central planners (ie, Russia) pulled out, they took their tractors with them. The thing you don't realize, and that people with your economic views never understand, is that in a society where "everyone" owns everything, the GOVERNMENT owns everything. And frankly in mnay cases it's not that the people involved don't have enough money, it's that they don't WANT modern technology. Makes them a target.

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As under no money system all we got to do is to give food or what they need to produce for free.

Again, unless you're willing to eat recycled apples, this is impossible. It violates the laws of thermodynamics--you cannot get more out of a system than you put in. If you continuously take more from productive people than it takes to produce, which you've repeatedly admitted your system would do, the productive people will no longer be able to produce. Simple as that. At that point, your "no money system" decends into barbarism and chaos. All of this has been explained to you before, and you've yet to address ANY of it. Or the fact that any barter economy will naturally become a money-based economy. Or the fact that most people won't work if they don't need to. Or any of the other problems with your ideas. You just insult anyone who disagrees with you.

[Joecool]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

The earth can produce enough food for everybody, the problem is that some people or countries don't have the money to buy it from other countries who can produce more than they need. In some countries they got the possibility to produce but farmers don't have the money to buy the machines to produce more. As under no money system all we got to do is to give food or what they need to produce for free.

Do you know why some countries produce surplus? For money. Without money or an incentive, people will only produce what they need and the poor starving countries will still starve. If you only produce what you need, you don't have any to give away.

And if money is evil, why does God ask his followers to tithe?

[psionl0]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

As you see, in the world, money doesn't circulate and that's the problem we got dealing with money, rich keep the money and don't put it back in the economy, that's why we got so much poor, there is no investment, there is no return of the money from rich to poor, they got no upportunity to work to create wealth for their countries.

Planet X?

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

I did enough posts to answer to your stupidities, you can go back to the previous pages and read it.



A representant of Obama said that he can kill any people without taking him to court, that's what Obama does anyway. They take a movie of the killer during his action and the present it to Obama in direct at the white house with a few fellow and if you look at the republican they all look like evil rats waiting to take his place.

I have gone back and read your posts. You provided nothing that would qualify as evidence supporting your idea. The studies you cited did not suggest that getting rid of money would be a good idea.

[Tomtomkent]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

The earth can produce enough food for everybody, the problem is that some people or countries don't have the money to buy it from other countries who can produce more than they need. In some countries they got the possibility to produce but farmers don't have the money to buy the machines to produce more. As under no money system all we got to do is to give food or what they need to produce for free.

Define "enough". Is that enough for people to survive on, or enough for people to "take what they want as it is free"?

I think you over estimate sustainable resources and underestimate desire for consumption

Are you now changing your OP so everybody is rationed?

[Tomtomkent]

Sceptic Ted and the Mystery of Money

Theodore Edison Bear, or Sceptic Teddy as his friends called him was rather worried. Silver, the Kentish Pigmy Polar Bear had just inherited a hollowed out volcanoe and some lazers from his uncle. As his first act as a kindly if rather ineperieneced maniac Silver had taken over the world and removed all money.

Poor old Teddy was not impressed. It was decided amongst the bears that they would knock politely on the door to Doom-Skull-Island and ask nicely if Silver would mind awfully putting things right and maybe sitting on the naughty step. Teddy, it was agreed, would do the talking.

Teddy polished his shoes on the back of his tweed trousers and pushed the doorbell. A very angry voice bellowed from the far side of the door.
"IS THAT THE MILKMAN?" Boomed Silver.
"Er," Teddy looked around himself. "No." He decided. "It's the bears!"
"Ah, hang on." There was the sounds of mecha power armour being taken off, and a large lazer being wheeled out of the way of the door. At last it swung open. "Come in!" Beamed Silver, happy of the company. "So how are you enjoying your utopian paradise?" He asked.
"Erm," Teddy considered this long and hard. "No."
"Well, I would offer you some tea, but the milkman hasn't been around for a while." Silver sighed.
"No." Teddy agreed.
"And to be honest I don't have many biscuits." Silver grumbled.
"True." Teddy nodded.
"And there hasn't been enough of anything." Silver whined.
"No." Teddy humoured him. "We need to talk about this..."
"GIVE US MONEY BACK!" Cried the rest of the bears.
"But why? None of you are poor! There is enough food, you can have everything you want." Silver was shocked. "Look I can go get you all cod and chips from the chippy and we will have a good old beano."
"No." Teddy sighed. "You can't." He then went on to explain to Silver wxactly why so many people were so miserable.

"Let's take the Cod and Chips as an example." Theodore Edison said, sitting on the couch next to Project Doomsday Zzap, and sipping black tea with a slice of lemon. "Simply saying the world will make enough food is not true. First of all people don't eat what they need, you told them they could take what they like. People don't have to be greedy for there not to be enough food, they just have to be fussy. Even when we had money there was not enough Cod to go around. Now there is no money that has not changed. There is only a finite amount of cod. On the other hand we are swimming in sea weed and quorn."
"Blegh!" Said Silver. "I am not eating seaweed and quorn!"
"No. Nobody wants to. People like Cod. But there is even less now, because none of the fishermen want to go and risk their neck trawling for fish if they aren't going to be rewarded. Why would they, if they could just do something else instead? Ferrari has more test drivers than it ever needed, and the Premiership lasts aproximately fifteen years when deciding the FA cup, but nobody wants to fish for Cod. " Teddy said.
"But that is terrible!" Silver grumbled. "We will have to have Savaloy and chips."
"No," Teddy waved a paw. "We can't. There are no chips, crisps, or mash. No potatoes. You see, all the starving people in other countries took them because they needed them more than us. Well, they would, but we can't ship them out. There is only so many boats and so many aircraft, and with out money to fine people with we can't stop them bein used inefficiently. Worse, people who want one just takes them, so we aren't left with any to ship out the potatoes with."
"Well, why don't they just grow potatoes in the hungry places?" Silver growled.
"Well, they were trying that with money. The same number grows with or with out money. Removing money doesn't cure a drought or make soil more fertile. And even if you could grow them who would want to? The queues for the golf club are tremendous, but the people wanting to toil away in fields are rather limited. Now that you mention it with people being told anything they want is free nobody wants to live in the places with drought. They all want to move here. Which would be nice, but it has caused a ot of arguments about who deserves to live in which house."
"Now this is not right." Silver slapped his paws together. "From now on everybody does their part, and they take only what they need. Every job has to be filled. And there will be enough food if everybody eats ONLY what they need."
"So we can't take what ever we want any more?" Asked one of the bears.
"Of course you can." Silver assured them. "But only as much as I allow you, and only if you do what I tell you."
"So we can't do the jobs we want?" Asked another bear.
"Of course. But if there are jobs that NEED doing I may tell you that is what you WANT to do."
"Can I be in charge?" Asked a third bear.
"No." Said Silver. "I need you to go trawl for Cod."
"Well, why can't YOU do that?" Snapped Teddy.
"Because I am going to play Golf!" Silver waved his paws to the air. "Don't worry, I'm not expecting you to do this with out reward, when you get back and I have fish and chips for tea, you can take whatever you want from the market (as long as everybody else also gets some as well and you don't take too much to be unfair)."
"Well, I'm sorry," Silver was putting his face in his palms, "there are STILL only a few hundred thousand Cod on the face of the Earth, and there are Eight BILLION people. All of whom want fish and chips tonight."
"Yes." Silver nodded. "I know. I'm one of them."
"Well, who gets to eat cod and chips tonight?" Teddy urged.
"Everybody." Silver said.
"But they can't." Teddy repeated. "Six hundred thousand cod can't be chopped into eight billion portions."
"It's free!" Silver cried. "Go take eight billion more!" He ordered to one of the smaller bears.
"But..." The bear stammered. "But I will run out before everybody gets some!"
"Then just get ME one!" Roared Silver.
"And who will scale it? Fillet it? Batter it and fry it?" Teddy asked.

Silver looked up and down the blank faced bears. "One of you must want to?" He asked.
"No way." Teddy hurrumphed. "Smelly horrible slimy jobs? No thanks."
"Oh go on." Silver whispered. "I'll give you a fiver..."

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

This is another af your stupid post that i don't bother to answer all the time. If you already do that, how come there are people dying of starvation or bad nutrition in the world?

You still can't have my potatoes unless you give me something of value for them in return. How do you deal with me?

[Tomtomkent]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

This is another af your stupid post that i don't bother to answer all the time. If you already do that, how come there are people dying of starvation or bad nutrition in the world?

How would removing money change that?

Does money cause a draught? Or disease? Even if the West was willing to go on starvation rations would there be enough excess in one nation to counter the deficit in another? Would removing money magically allow for faster transportation of foods with limited shelf life?