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Old 25th March 2011, 04:22 AM   #1
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Sylvia Browne has had a heart attack

Sylvia Browne, a person who we all love, has had a heart attack. I know we all love her. We have generated more threads in this forum about her than just about any other person.

From the e-mail I have just received.
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On March 21, 2011 our beloved Sylvia Browne suffered a heart attack while in Hawaii. Sylvia was in Honolulu, HI for a lecture on March 18th and a Spiritual Salon on March 20th and was about to return home when this catastrophic event occurred. We do not yet know how long Sylvia will have to be hospitalized in Hawaii nor when she will be able to return to her normal work-related activities.
Edit. Read more here http://www.sylviabrowne.com/images/pdf/novusdonate.pdf.

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Old 25th March 2011, 04:25 AM   #2
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It's okay.

Not only did she script this event on the other side, she would have also foreseen what was going to happen.

I am only surprised at the timing. Me, I would have had my heart attack at a hospital...
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Old 25th March 2011, 05:06 AM   #3
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With the first breath they (the ministers of Novus Spiritus)ask for prayers for Sylvia...with their second breath, they ask for money. How typical!
Doesn't ANYONE in that office see how tacky that letter is? I can hear them now...geez, how are we going to support our luxurious lifestyles if Sylvia is no longer around. Let's use this to get as much money in here as we can just in case she dies.
Those people make me sick!
And if they really believe the crap she spouts, then they shouldn't be too worried...after all, she's not supposed to die until she's 88. Sylvia herself said so!

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Old 25th March 2011, 05:07 AM   #4
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I suppose God got fed up with her antics and decided to send her a little hint.
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Old 25th March 2011, 05:10 AM   #5
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I suppose God got fed up with her antics and decided to send her a little hint.
Her very existence is anecdotal evidence there is no god.
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Old 25th March 2011, 05:21 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by SeekingTruth View Post
With the first breath they (the ministers of Novus Spiritus)ask for prayers for Sylvia...with their second breath, they ask for money. How typical!
2 pages. One paragraph about Sylvia and the heart attack, everything else: Instructions on how to send money.

Hoe exactly is it that her being hospitalized make it a "time of extreme need" for NS? (Anyone who cares about "extreme need" might want to Google "Tsunami Japan", or "starving children" or "AIDS africa" etc.)

ETA: Just noticed the file name ...
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Old 25th March 2011, 05:34 AM   #7
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were her first words after waking up "never saw that coming?"
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Old 25th March 2011, 05:34 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by Spindrift View Post
Her very existence is anecdotal evidence there is no god.
True dat!
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Old 25th March 2011, 05:41 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by wendyinthewind View Post
were her first words after waking up "never saw that coming?"
5 dollars say we are going to hear about how it was on the other side instead.
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Old 25th March 2011, 06:08 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by Rasmus View Post
2 pages. One paragraph about Sylvia and the heart attack, everything else: Instructions on how to send money.
Interesting funding (Latest available Form 990 on-line from 2001):

http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocument...256925-1-9.pdf
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Old 25th March 2011, 06:23 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by Rasmus View Post
5 dollars say we are going to hear about how it was on the other side instead.
It'll cost you more than 5 to hear about it.
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Old 25th March 2011, 06:32 AM   #12
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It's almost a demand. Now is the time for all those who've been helped to send us money. That money you already gave her was not enough.
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Old 25th March 2011, 06:32 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
Sylvia Browne, a person who we all love, has had a heart attack. I know we all love her. We have generated more threads in this forum about her than just about any other person.

From the e-mail I have just received.


Edit. Read more here http://www.sylviabrowne.com/images/pdf/novusdonate.pdf.
Why donate at all?

Because if Sylvia Browne survives this attack, then she will just write a book about her 'personal/spirtual/special meeting with God/Allah/whatever' and make a couple extra million that way.
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Old 25th March 2011, 06:47 AM   #14
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You know, I had a premonition that she might have some blood-related trouble, likley in the area of her trunk, which might be related to additional medical concerns with the head area.

Sadly, it appears that I was right.

My premonition further indicates poor chances for recovery, with the prospect for multiple surgeries with attendant complications, followed by prolonged hospitalization accompanied by intense discomfort and loss of bodily function, which will linger and worsen over time, until eventually relieved by coma and death. (This psychic prediction is offered for entertainment purposes only. Are you not entertained? ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED??)
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Old 25th March 2011, 07:32 AM   #15
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5 dollars say we are going to hear about how it was on the other side instead.
Maybe she just wanted to catch the Michael Jackson Concert. I predict she will bring up Michael Jackson and or the M.J. concert the next time we hear from her.
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Old 25th March 2011, 07:36 AM   #16
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As much as I dislike the woman, I can't wish her harm. I hope she has a quick and speedy recovery.
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Old 25th March 2011, 07:39 AM   #17
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I do not like what she is doing, she is the scum of scammer, but she is still human.

So I wish her prompt restablishment to health, no matter what she did.
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Old 25th March 2011, 07:42 AM   #18
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Maybe we should send her a get well soon card.
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Old 25th March 2011, 07:57 AM   #19
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I wonder if it was the "left ventricle"?

Get well soon, and please stop, Sylvia.
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Maybe we should send her a get well soon card.

I'll pray for her recovery.
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Originally Posted by Aepervius View Post
I do not like what she is doing, she is the scum of scammer, but she is still human.

So I wish her prompt restablishment to health, no matter what she did.
I don't.

I don't wish her harm or suffering but given what she does I think the world would be a better place if she wasn't in it so I can't wish her well. (As if my wishes will have anything to do with it! )
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Originally Posted by Aepervius View Post
I do not like what she is doing, she is the scum of scammer, but she is still human.

So I wish her prompt restablishment to health, no matter what she did.
I don't.

If Sylvia Browne had expressed even one iota of a conscience at some point, I might summon up some sympathy for her. As it stands, she hasn't, at least not that I've ever seen. In my view, you can't purposely hurt and damage scores of people and then elicit compassion.

What goes around, comes around.
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Personally, I'll be glad when she is gone.
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RSL should be getting some nasty e-mails. This is all his fault.
Why can't he just leave that poor woman alone? She's just trying to make an honest living and put food on the table.
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Old 25th March 2011, 08:31 AM   #25
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It's a sticky situation to be in for those skeptical & critical of what she does.

It is very tempting to go down the path of being happy that someone we do not like is suffering a misfortune. Especially if they have harmed others. On the other hand, our feelings and wishes say more about us than they do any external event. I do not like the thought of rejoicing in another human beings suffering, even if they "deserve it."

I tend to compartmentalize this sort of thing. I abhor her chosen profession, and find the particular manner in which she pursues it is extremely odious.

However, she is a fellow human being and I can not in good consience wish suffering or death upon her.

Most inmportantly, I do not feel like the wrong she has done merits a punishment of pain and/or death.

So, I wish her a return to good health, and I also would like to see her stop what she is doing, or be made to stop and an appropriate punishment dealt out for her the wrongs she has perpetrated. To me, they are two seperate issues.

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I wonder if she saw this coming.
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Originally Posted by caniswalensis View Post
<snip> I do not like the thought of rejoicing in another human beings suffering, even if they "deserve it." <snip>
I'm not rejoicing, I simply have no compassion for her.
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It's a sticky situation to be in for those skeptical & critical of what she does.

It is very tempting to go down the path of being happy that someone we do not like is suffering a misfortune. Especially if they have harmed others. On the other hand, our feelings and wishes say more about us than they do any external event. I do not like the thought of rejoicing in another human beings suffering, even if they "deserve it."

I tend to compartmentalize this sort of thing. I abhor her chosen profession, and find the particular manner in which she pursues it is extremely odious.

However, she is a fellow human being and I can not in good consience wish suffering or death upon her.

Most inmportantly, I do not feel like the wrong she has done merits a punishment of pain and/or death.

So, I wish her a return to good health, and I also would like to see her stop what she is doing, or be made to stop and an appropriate punishment dealt out for her the wrongs she has perpetrated. To me, they are two seperate issues.

regards, Canis
This is why RSL, and other skeptics could put together a large donation for her, publically stating that they will agree to pay for her treatments (which I'm assuming the most invasive are nothing more than a cardiac cath perhaps) but that they have no remorse for her and think that society would be better with her dead.

Sticky situation becomes quite clear in that regards. It's called using her to prove a point.

Perhaps

ETA: It wouldn't be about showing "skeptics compassion" on her, or whatever. It would be a good example to those who aren't sure about her (like the one who has been emailing RSL for example) that compassion can exist without the need for exploitive nonsense.

By exploiting her misfortune of course

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I have as much compassion for Sylvia as she had for the family of Opal Jo Jennings.
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I'm not rejoicing, I simply have no compassion for her.
That's fine. It was not my intent to imply that anyone here is rejoicing. I was merely giving my thoughts on the issue.

So, if you are not rejoicing, but feel no compassion, would you say this is a non-issue for you? Something you just do not care about one way or the other?
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I wonder if she saw this coming.
Oh, snap!
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This is why RSL, and other skeptics could put together a large donation for her, publically stating that they will agree to pay for her treatments (which I'm assuming the most invasive are nothing more than a cardiac cath perhaps) but that they have no remorse for her and think that society would be better with her dead.

Sticky situation becomes quite clear in that regards. It's called using her to prove a point.

Perhaps

ETA: It wouldn't be about showing "skeptics compassion" on her, or whatever. It would be a good example to those who aren't sure about her (like the one who has been emailing RSL for example) that compassion can exist without the need for exploitive nonsense.

By exploiting her misfortune of course
I think I am getting confused.

I am confused about what you are getting at when you suggest "using her to prove a point" and then say "compassion can exist without the need for exploitive nonsense."

I think that rather than offer to pay for her treatments and then publically wishing death n her, the skeptical community would be better served to take the high road and publically wish her a return to good health & pain free living.
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With the money she brings in with no overhead really, I fail to see why she needs financial assistance.
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That's fine. It was not my intent to imply that anyone here is rejoicing. I was merely giving my thoughts on the issue.

So, if you are not rejoicing, but feel no compassion, would you say this is a non-issue for you? Something you just do not care about one way or the other?
Well...I've always found Sylvia Browne's racket detestable. That aside, no, I don't care that she had a heart attack, and I don't care if she recovers. I don't specifically wish for anyone to die, but everyone does.

Life happens. Death and illness are a part of it. Sylvia isn't exempt from that.
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Well...I've always found Sylvia Browne's racket detestable. That aside, no, I don't care that she had a heart attack, and I don't care if she recovers. I don't specifically wish for anyone to die, but everyone does.

Life happens. Death and illness are a part of it. Sylvia isn't exempt from that.
That's how I see it.

There's a clear line (in my mind) between not caring and wishing harm to someone.
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I had a faint flickering , an ember of sympathy going into the thread. Then i saw that her, a very rich woman is asking for money out of it.

Said ember was quickly urinated upon by the spirit of her shameless milking of a personal event to gain money from the people that think she is " Their friend".

Screw her, has not done a single good thing for the world, and even on what may be her deathbed manages to remain a huckster.
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So, if you are not rejoicing, but feel no compassion, would you say this is a non-issue for you? Something you just do not care about one way or the other?

Yup.

ETA: If her condition--or anything else--makes her stop doing what she's been doing, then I'll be happy.
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I have as much compassion for Sylvia as she had for the family of Opal Jo Jennings.
It is very hard to argue with this sort of statement. It appeals to an intuitive sense of justice that we probably all possess.

I don't even want to argue, because I do not really disagree.

When faced with this sort of thing, I ask myself: "If I had it in my power to punish her for the wrongs she has done, what punishment would I choose?

In this case, I certainly would not put her to death, or do anything torturous or wierd to her.

I would probably end up making her pay some sort of restitution to the people she has hurt, and force her to stop what she does.

So given that, I have no problem feeling sympathy for her over things that I would not be willing to do to her if she was in my power.

Is she dying? I feel badly for her because I do not think she deserves death. is she physically suffering in some hospital room somewhere? I hope she gets out soon, because I don't feel like she should be physically tortured for what she has done.

What if she lost all her money playing the stock market? GOOD! Couldn't happen to a nicer person! What is she lost all her customers and income? Fine with me. I would be happy to see her have to earn an honest wage for a change.

But a heart attack & possible death? No, I can't be happy about that. it's too much. She's not a mass murderer. She's just an sad unscrupulous old lady that cons the vunerable. I hope she has to pay for that someday, but not this way.

I hope she is comfortable & well right now.
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I know of a very simple way for her to get one million dollars. It would only require that she demonstrate her abilities to James Randi. But then, she doesn't need it does she.
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The problem I have is that her "church" is using her illness to raise money.

From the link in the OP:

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For over 25 years, Sylvia has primarily been financially responsible for the survival of Novus Spiritus and has literally put her heart and soul into this Gnostic mission and now she needs rest.
Financially responsible? Looks like fees charged to me.

If you look at that old Form 990 I provided, they received:

1. 325 k from healing/counseling services
2. 92 k from study groups
3. 69 k from donations
4. Paid out 275 k in wages
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