Guru Sai Baba in critical condition

Questioninggeller · 5th April 2011, 09:08 AM

Sai Baba, a "living God" is in critical condition after being sick for over a week. For those who don't know, in addition to "curing" the sick and making "gold" rings "appear," many scandals have followed him.

He claims to be Sai Baba of Shirdi reincarnated.

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Sai Baba remains critical, devotees asked to stay calm‎
Ashok Das
Hindustan Times
Hyderabad, April 05, 2011

Godman Satya Sai Baba, who was admitted to hospital at Puttaparthi, the pilgrim town in Anantapur district in Andhra Pradesh on March 28 with lung infections, continues to be critical. He is on ventilator support and receiving kidney dialysis. A medical bulletin released by Dr A N Safaya, Direc tor of Sri Satya Sai Institute of Higher Medical Sciences Hospital said that though the condition of Sai Baba remained more or less the same as on Monday, his level of consciousness had considerably improved.

"His vital systems are in stable condition. He still continues to be on assisted ventilation through ventilator and CRRT, which is a slow dialysis process," it said.

While the doctors at the hospital, which is one of the finest hospitals run by the Satya Sai Trust, is doing everything possible, the state government and the legions of devotees of the Baba are not leaving much to chance. The state government deputed two top IAS officers, Principal Secretary Health Dr P V Ramesh and former Principal Health secretary L V Subrahmanyam to Puttaparthi to personally supervise and coordinate all the health care measures for the 85-year Baba.
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The devotees of Baba are mobilising medical help worldwide. Two medical experts from USA arrived this morning to help local doctors. Sai Seva trust sources said more specialist doctors from London and Australia are on their way to Puttaparthi.

The Chief Minister said though he had earlier planned to go to Puttaparthi, but postponed the same as he wanted everyone to remain focused on Baba treatment.
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On Monday hundreds of devotees tried to break into the hospital after rumours spread that Baba was critical and not responding to treatment. They damaged some vehicles and tried to attack the district collector and other officials for not allowing them to have a glimpse of the ailing Baba.

"There is certainly no secrecy. We all know Baba had a hypertensive attack, a pacemaker was put to him...yesterday, his renal output was less, so he was put on haemodialysis," Mrs Geeta Reddy,AP minister and ardent Baba devotee said.
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Sathya Sai Baba was admitted to the Satya Sai super-specialty hospital at Prashantigram at Puttaparthi on March 28 following respiration-related problems.

Full: Hindustan Times

A little on his empire:

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Sathya Sai Baba's gargantuan empire
India Today
April 5, 2011

Apart from a devotee list that boasts of the who's who of the world of politics, sports and entertainment, Sri Sathya Sai Baba has managed to create a gargantuan empire that is spread across 165 countries.

He has to his credit 13,000 institutions that run on the financial steam of a collective membership of about 37 million followers.

The Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Medical Sciences in Puttaparthi is a 220-bed facility that provides free medical care.

Puttaparthi, where Sathya Sai Baba was born and still lives, has a university complex, a speciality hospital, airport, railway station and indoor and outdoor stadia.

Sathya Sai Baba's empire also boasts of free educational institutions, hospitals and other charitable works in over 166 countries.

The Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust runs several general and speciality hospitals and mobile dispensaries.

Apart from educational facilities, the Trust funds drinking water projects, one of which supplies water to 1.2 million people in about 750 villages in Andhra Pradesh.
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Full: India Today

BBC "The Secret Swami" featured a show on Sai Baba a few years back:

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catsmate1 · 5th April 2011, 01:31 PM

Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.

dlorde · 5th April 2011, 02:31 PM

A case of godman heal thyself...

Zep · 5th April 2011, 04:51 PM

Can do: Perform miracles, make magic ash appear, make magic rings appear, convince followers he can live forever.
Can't do: Stay healthy.

His rabid followers should be allowed to take him away from the evil "modern medicine" that is slowly and surely killing him now (yes, tongue is firmly in cheek) and bring him back to the ashram where he will surely cure himself instantly. I'm sure he would appreciate that.

Amapola · 6th April 2011, 09:15 AM

Wait a minute. Am I reading this right? The medical center, where the treatment is free, is actual, evidence-based medicine - not crystal healing or laying on of hands etc?

If so, this looney-tune is to be commended... if he is raking in cash and then using it to supply free, actual medical help to people, and clean water projects, that is impressive.

All the hoopla about him being a god and so on is not commendable of course. (And I wonder, if he survives this, how he will explain how a god got so sick?) In fact it's downright rotten. But if he is actually using money to provide real medicine and clean water to needy people, well, I have to give him credit for that.

mikeyx · 6th April 2011, 09:19 AM

and all of you in your mockery, how spiteful and sad of you.

Professor Yaffle · 6th April 2011, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Amapola

Wait a minute. Am I reading this right? The medical center, where the treatment is free, is actual, evidence-based medicine - not crystal healing or laying on of hands etc?

If so, this looney-tune is to be commended... if he is raking in cash and then using it to supply free, actual medical help to people, and clean water projects, that is impressive.

All the hoopla about him being a god and so on is not commendable of course. (And I wonder, if he survives this, how he will explain how a god got so sick?) In fact it's downright rotten. But if he is actually using money to provide real medicine and clean water to needy people, well, I have to give him credit for that.

This.

Aepervius · 6th April 2011, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

and all of you in your mockery, how spiteful and sad of you.

What mockery ? All I see is the fact and data available taken to their logical conclusion.

Gord_in_Toronto · 6th April 2011, 09:38 AM

Kidney problems, eh?

You don't suppose that he has been dosed with Ayurvedic medicine, do you?

Many Ayurvedic medicines contain dangerous quantities of heavy metals and these can cause kidney failure.

Draw your own conclusions.

mikeyx · 6th April 2011, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Aepervius

What mockery ? All I see is the fact and data available taken to their logical conclusion.

By which you mean you have no issue with kicking someone when they're down and obviously have no decency.

TubbaBlubba · 6th April 2011, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Amapola

Wait a minute. Am I reading this right? The medical center, where the treatment is free, is actual, evidence-based medicine - not crystal healing or laying on of hands etc?

If so, this looney-tune is to be commended... if he is raking in cash and then using it to supply free, actual medical help to people, and clean water projects, that is impressive.

All the hoopla about him being a god and so on is not commendable of course. (And I wonder, if he survives this, how he will explain how a god got so sick?) In fact it's downright rotten. But if he is actually using money to provide real medicine and clean water to needy people, well, I have to give him credit for that.

Yeah, have to agree with this. Among scam artists, he certainly rates higher than most.

Gord_in_Toronto · 6th April 2011, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

By which you mean you have no issue with kicking someone when they're down and obviously have no decency.

If you promise not to tell Godman Satya Sai Baba, I won't and he'll never be upset about it. Though the deceitful, lying bastard deserves a good kick or two.

Psi Baba · 6th April 2011, 01:12 PM

Finally! Praise the FSM.

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

If you promise not to tell Godman Satya Sai Baba, I won't and he'll never be upset about it. Though the deceitful, lying bastard deserves a good kick or two.

I agree.

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Two medical experts from USA arrived this morning to help local doctors. Sai Seva trust sources said more specialist doctors from London and Australia are on their way to Puttaparthi.

What makes him so much more important than anyone else that he gets all this special attention? Just sprinkle "holy ash" on him and he'll pop right up! Maybe they should give him a gold watch or a jewel encrusted ring. But I'm sure what he really wants is a little boy. Yeah, he's that too, in addition to everything else.

Aepervius · 6th April 2011, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

By which you mean you have no issue with kicking someone when they're down and obviously have no decency.

Are they at the hospital ? Are they kicking the body ?

No ?

They are not then "kicking" him when he is down.

I would not wish that guy death, but NEITHER would I suddenly play the crying girl and stop critizing his act when he get ill. That is soemthing IMHO I find disgusting that when somebody is ill suddenly his bad act can't be cited. Or even when that person is dead. That was integral part of their life. That was their decision. They have to stand up for it.

That said, I will say the same as for some other ill guy , I do not wish him death , I wish him prompt back health. But he is STILL a bastard which pretend to be a guru to live a good life on the BACK of his follower. No matter how ill he will be , nothing can STOP that fact. And I will critizing such bastard , being they are in fine health, ill, dying, dead , or even buried.

Sledge · 6th April 2011, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

By which you mean you have no issue with kicking someone when they're down and obviously have no decency.

I don't think anyone is kicking him, but I'll agree with you that he has no decency.

Cl1mh4224rd · 6th April 2011, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

and all of you in your mockery, how spiteful and sad of you.

Control yourself. Only four people had responded before you and only two of those four could be considered "mockery" in any sense of the word.

Zep · 6th April 2011, 04:51 PM

The Hindustan Times, along with most Indian newspapers, will publish anything they are told by their subjects without the slightest research or question. The report about the Sai Baba charitable trust is, sadly, yet another such instance - propaganda swallowed whole and reproduced at the other end as the expected output. Here's a more skeptical view: With facts.

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It is Sathya Sai Central Trust (the SSCT), which can be regarded as the highest authority in the Sai Baba movement except Sai Baba himself. Very little reliable information is available about this organisation which accumulates and operates all donations which come to Sathya Sai Baba. It is unclear what the relations are between the SSCT and the other so called “Sai” trusts (Sathya Sai Medical Trust, Sathya Sai Education Trust): if they are independent structures or just branches of the SSCT. There are no publications or open reports which present budget or expenditure of the SSCT. We can only speculate in regard to those figures.[/size]

http://www.saiguru.net/english/sai_org/centraltrust.htm

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In this – the poorest part of India with millions on or below the bread line, money donated to Sathya Sai Baba to raise the people from poverty, ignorance, illness and want is squandered on what smells of bribery to keep his top official defenders well on side.

http://robertpriddy.wordpress.com/20...directors-etc/

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Incompetence and corruption of entrepreneurs beyond Sai Baba’s omnipotent control?
The Rayalaseema drinking water project was financed by donations from followers of Sathya Sai Baba and began in 1996. Only in a fraction of the villages where it was supposed to be installed, leading to many disturbances by divers villagers in the Rayalaseema area variously reported in the local press. The water was very unevenly distributed, with the Prashanthi Nilayam ashram being a main beneficiary. All that is carefully suppressed by the Sathya Sai authorities in their lavish hand-outs and web pages praising the project to heaven. Nonetheless, this has done a lot of good to some villagers. Already in 1996, the Sathya Sai Rayalaseema Water Project was shown to be failing considerably due to unforeseen natural circumstances, as the report from Andhra Pradesh Regional News Network showed. Further, he had not predicted – nor miraculously altered – what proved to be a drastically sinking water table nor did he have any effect on flawed engineering plans or the many corrupt entrepreneurs involved! Sai Baba proclaimed that he has come to restore Sathya (truth) and Dharma (righteousness) – and he promised he wouldn’t travel abroad until everything was cleared up in India. Those who believe in his words and accept that water scarcity is due to decline of Sathya and Dharma will have to realize eventually that his mission has hardly made any progress in India, far less in the world.

http://exbaba.com/

The underlings' scramble for power and all the cash in the Sai baba empire is already on, and he is not even dead yet. Why are we even shocked this was going to be the inevitable outcome of such a con-artist?

Amapola · 6th April 2011, 04:58 PM

OK, so he is *not* distributing water to "1.2 million people in about 750 villages".

That's different then.

Nevermind.

slingblade · 6th April 2011, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

and all of you in your mockery, how spiteful and sad of you.

I blame his mother. She didn't have the proper breeding permit.
Did she, Mikey?

Zep · 6th April 2011, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Amapola

OK, so he is *not* distributing water to "1.2 million people in about 750 villages".

That's different then.

Nevermind.

Maybe it's an Australian thing, but we seem to be able to spot the BS artists much earlier. Maybe we are just more cynical and less trusting!

But whatever, this guy's massive scams and lies have been so painfully obvious that there was no way that his "water to the masses" projects (or any other charity efforts) were ever going to have results like his propaganda machine said this did. You could have bet your grandmother the money and benefits (and the water in this case) would flow to him only.

devnull · 6th April 2011, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

and all of you in your mockery, how spiteful and sad of you.

Obvious concern-troll is obvious.

NewtonTrino · 6th April 2011, 07:25 PM

I'm sorry but if you claim you're a god and you get sick I mock you.

mike3 · 6th April 2011, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by slingblade

I blame his mother. She didn't have the proper breeding permit.
Did she, Mikey?

So what? You think this silly stuff is due to unchangeable genetics? Then I suppose you think there's no hope for the world to ever be any better.

geni · 6th April 2011, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Zep

Maybe it's an Australian thing, but we seem to be able to spot the BS artists much earlier. Maybe we are just more cynical and less trusting!

But whatever, this guy's massive scams and lies have been so painfully obvious that there was no way that his "water to the masses" projects (or any other charity efforts) were ever going to have results like his propaganda machine said this did. You could have bet your grandmother the money and benefits (and the water in this case) would flow to him only.

On the other hand geniune local support is a kinda handy thing to have and assuming you manage to avoid bangladesh style large scale arsenic poisoning providing wells that could nominaly supply 1.2 million people with water is not that great an expense over a 15 year period. However 1.2 million is mearly the objective of the project. No word on any progress being made.

geni · 6th April 2011, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by NewtonTrino

I'm sorry but if you claim you're a god and you get sick I mock you.

Technicaly he's not actualy claimed to be a god (demi-god perhaps) and by he own account he's already died at least once in 1918.

rwerdja · 6th April 2011, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by geni

Technicaly he's not actualy claimed to be a god (demi-god perhaps) and by he own account he's already died at least once in 1918.

I died once .. but I got better.

fuelair · 6th April 2011, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Questioninggeller

Sai Baba, a "living God" is in critical condition after being sick for over a week. For those who don't know, in addition to "curing" the sick and making "gold" rings "appear," many scandals have followed him.

He claims to be Sai Baba of Shirdi reincarnated.

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Ooooooohkay! So, he has been taking in suckers all his life and now he's throttling the bucket. Cool, about time.

Psi Baba · 7th April 2011, 06:18 AM

Some background on Sai Baba:

http://www.salon.com/people/feature/...aba/index.html

http://www.exbaba.com/findings.html

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The stories about Sai Baba's sexual misconduct are all remarkably similar. "During my 'private audiences' with Sai Baba, Sai Baba used to touch my private parts and regularly massage my private parts, indicating that this was for spiritual purposes," wrote Dutchman Hans de Kraker in a letter sent to French journalist Virginie Saurel. In December 1996, when de Kraker was 24, Sai Baba allegedly asked him to perform oral sex: "He grabbed my head and pushed it into his groin area. He made moaning sounds," de Kraker wrote. "As soon as he took the pressure off my head and I lifted my head, Sai Baba lifted his dress and presented me a semi-erect member, telling me that this was my good luck chance, and jousted his hips towards my face." When de Kraker reported to others what had happened, he was thrown out of the ashram.

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American Jed Geyerhahn, who was 16 when Sai Baba started coming on to him, echoes de Kraker's account: "Each time I saw Baba, his hand would gradually make more prominent connections to my groin." The stories are endless, and endlessly alike, concerning mostly boys and men from their midteens to their mid-20s.

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His faith was shattered when he was shown excerpts from the diary of his close friend's 15-year-old son, detailing several incidents of molestation. The child of devotees, the boy had been raised to worship Sai Baba as God, and obliged when the master reportedly ordered his disciple to suck his penis. "You've got all these kids who are scared to death to do anything that will do disrespect to their parents, in a room with someone they believe to be the creator of the whole universe," said Meloy, his voice choked with fury. "This isn't just any child abuse; this is God himself claiming to do this."

It should also be noted that Sai Baba has a lot of influence over government in India by giving officials and politicians expensive jewelry (while peasants are given "holy ash"). The world will be better off without this menace.

fuelair · 7th April 2011, 11:22 AM

Did Sri Baba pull this holy ash out of some ash hole?

Sledge · 7th April 2011, 12:01 PM

Good news for Catholics, though: they can point at another religion sexually abusing it's boys. See? We're all mean and nasty for picking on them when every religion is doing it!

catsmate1 · 8th April 2011, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

By which you mean you have no issue with kicking someone when they're down and obviously have no decency.

By this I assume you mean subjecting this scam artist and fraudster to well deserved ridicule?

Pacal · 9th April 2011, 04:03 PM

Sai Baba would conjure gold necklaces out of thin air. I do mean conjure. I've seen video showing him palming it from under a box and then making it "appear out of thin air". THe guy's a con-artist fleecing the guilible. The fact that he has been bribing Indian officials for years is well known.

dafydd · 9th April 2011, 07:40 PM

Some of them must have kept the magic ash. Why don't they sprinkle it on him. That should do the trick.

JoeTheJuggler · 9th April 2011, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

By which you mean you have no issue with kicking someone when they're down and obviously have no decency.

I think it's appropriate to kick someone when they obviously have no decency, like this huckster.

demonunderyourbed · 9th April 2011, 08:14 PM

how dare he or anyone claim hes a god..there are only two gods...the big man upstairs as we all know.......and lemmy from motorhead...

Sword_Of_Truth · 10th April 2011, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Questioninggeller

Godman Satya Sai Baba, who was admitted to hospital at Puttaparthi, the pilgrim town in Anantapur district in Andhra Pradesh on March 28 with lung infections, continues to be critical. He is on ventilator support and receiving kidney dialysis.

Originally Posted by Pacal

Sai Baba would conjure gold necklaces out of thin air. I do mean conjure.

Actually, it sounds more like he's been passing them through his urethra.

Fnord · 10th April 2011, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

By which you mean you have no issue with kicking someone when they're down and obviously have no decency.

You are out of line...

... so take a number and get back in line with the rest of us ... the real kicking is about to start!

Shrike · 13th April 2011, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by demonunderyourbed

how dare he or anyone claim hes a god..there are only two gods...the big man upstairs as we all know.......and lemmy from motorhead...

NO!
Lemmy is God!

Klaymore · 13th April 2011, 12:49 PM

I've never even heard of this buckethead. I'm bummed that I never got to wish he would die before he was (purportedly) almost dead. Looks like I can still slip in under the wire though.

Avicenna · 15th April 2011, 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by dlorde

A case of godman heal thyself...

Does not need to. The benefits of re-incarnation is that the concept of you can live forever.

He has had a fair few issues with sexual harassment of men come up.

5th April 2011, 02:31 PM	#3
dlorde Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,647	A case of godman heal thyself...
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5th April 2011, 04:51 PM	#4
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Can do: Perform miracles, make magic ash appear, make magic rings appear, convince followers he can live forever. Can't do: Stay healthy. His rabid followers should be allowed to take him away from the evil "modern medicine" that is slowly and surely killing him now (yes, tongue is firmly in cheek) and bring him back to the ashram where he will surely cure himself instantly. I'm sure he would appreciate that.
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6th April 2011, 09:15 AM	#5
Amapola Pirate Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Mora, New Mexico Posts: 8,260	Wait a minute. Am I reading this right? The medical center, where the treatment is free, is actual, evidence-based medicine - not crystal healing or laying on of hands etc? If so, this looney-tune is to be commended... if he is raking in cash and then using it to supply free, actual medical help to people, and clean water projects, that is impressive. All the hoopla about him being a god and so on is not commendable of course. (And I wonder, if he survives this, how he will explain how a god got so sick?) In fact it's downright rotten. But if he is actually using money to provide real medicine and clean water to needy people, well, I have to give him credit for that.
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Professor Yaffle Butterbeans and Breadcrumbs Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Emily's shop Posts: 15,360	Originally Posted by Amapola Wait a minute. Am I reading this right? The medical center, where the treatment is free, is actual, evidence-based medicine - not crystal healing or laying on of hands etc? If so, this looney-tune is to be commended... if he is raking in cash and then using it to supply free, actual medical help to people, and clean water projects, that is impressive. All the hoopla about him being a god and so on is not commendable of course. (And I wonder, if he survives this, how he will explain how a god got so sick?) In fact it's downright rotten. But if he is actually using money to provide real medicine and clean water to needy people, well, I have to give him credit for that. This.
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catsmate1 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Dublin (the one in Ireland) Posts: 7,140	Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.

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Aepervius Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bierland. I mean , germany. Posts: 7,773	Originally Posted by mikeyx and all of you in your mockery, how spiteful and sad of you. What mockery ? All I see is the fact and data available taken to their logical conclusion.
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6th April 2011, 09:38 AM	#9
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 13,418	Kidney problems, eh? You don't suppose that he has been dosed with Ayurvedic medicine, do you? Many Ayurvedic medicines contain dangerous quantities of heavy metals and these can cause kidney failure. Draw your own conclusions.
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6th April 2011, 09:59 AM	#10
mikeyx Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,570	Originally Posted by Aepervius What mockery ? All I see is the fact and data available taken to their logical conclusion. By which you mean you have no issue with kicking someone when they're down and obviously have no decency.
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TubbaBlubba Knave of the Dudes Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Communist Kingdom of Sweden Posts: 7,415	Originally Posted by Amapola Wait a minute. Am I reading this right? The medical center, where the treatment is free, is actual, evidence-based medicine - not crystal healing or laying on of hands etc? If so, this looney-tune is to be commended... if he is raking in cash and then using it to supply free, actual medical help to people, and clean water projects, that is impressive. All the hoopla about him being a god and so on is not commendable of course. (And I wonder, if he survives this, how he will explain how a god got so sick?) In fact it's downright rotten. But if he is actually using money to provide real medicine and clean water to needy people, well, I have to give him credit for that. Yeah, have to agree with this. Among scam artists, he certainly rates higher than most.
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6th April 2011, 10:41 AM	#12
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 13,418	Originally Posted by mikeyx By which you mean you have no issue with kicking someone when they're down and obviously have no decency. If you promise not to tell Godman Satya Sai Baba, I won't and he'll never be upset about it. Though the deceitful, lying bastard deserves a good kick or two.
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6th April 2011, 01:12 PM	#13
Psi Baba Homo Skepticalis Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Occupying my barstool Posts: 3,183	Finally! Praise the FSM. Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto If you promise not to tell Godman Satya Sai Baba, I won't and he'll never be upset about it. Though the deceitful, lying bastard deserves a good kick or two. I agree. Quote: Two medical experts from USA arrived this morning to help local doctors. Sai Seva trust sources said more specialist doctors from London and Australia are on their way to Puttaparthi. What makes him so much more important than anyone else that he gets all this special attention? Just sprinkle "holy ash" on him and he'll pop right up! Maybe they should give him a gold watch or a jewel encrusted ring. But I'm sure what he really wants is a little boy. Yeah, he's that too, in addition to everything else.

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Aepervius Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bierland. I mean , germany. Posts: 7,773	Originally Posted by mikeyx By which you mean you have no issue with kicking someone when they're down and obviously have no decency. Are they at the hospital ? Are they kicking the body ? No ? They are not then "kicking" him when he is down. I would not wish that guy death, but NEITHER would I suddenly play the crying girl and stop critizing his act when he get ill. That is soemthing IMHO I find disgusting that when somebody is ill suddenly his bad act can't be cited. Or even when that person is dead. That was integral part of their life. That was their decision. They have to stand up for it. That said, I will say the same as for some other ill guy , I do not wish him death , I wish him prompt back health. But he is STILL a bastard which pretend to be a guru to live a good life on the BACK of his follower. No matter how ill he will be , nothing can STOP that fact. And I will critizing such bastard , being they are in fine health, ill, dying, dead , or even buried.
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Sledge Grammaton Cleric Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Swingin' on a star Posts: 7,123	Originally Posted by mikeyx By which you mean you have no issue with kicking someone when they're down and obviously have no decency. I don't think anyone is kicking him, but I'll agree with you that he has no decency.
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6th April 2011, 04:28 PM	#16
Cl1mh4224rd Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 6,618	Originally Posted by mikeyx and all of you in your mockery, how spiteful and sad of you. Control yourself. Only four people had responded before you and only two of those four could be considered "mockery" in any sense of the word.

6th April 2011, 04:51 PM	#17
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	The Hindustan Times, along with most Indian newspapers, will publish anything they are told by their subjects without the slightest research or question. The report about the Sai Baba charitable trust is, sadly, yet another such instance - propaganda swallowed whole and reproduced at the other end as the expected output. Here's a more skeptical view: With facts. Quote: It is Sathya Sai Central Trust (the SSCT), which can be regarded as the highest authority in the Sai Baba movement except Sai Baba himself. Very little reliable information is available about this organisation which accumulates and operates all donations which come to Sathya Sai Baba. It is unclear what the relations are between the SSCT and the other so called “Sai” trusts (Sathya Sai Medical Trust, Sathya Sai Education Trust): if they are independent structures or just branches of the SSCT. There are no publications or open reports which present budget or expenditure of the SSCT. We can only speculate in regard to those figures.[/size] http://www.saiguru.net/english/sai_org/centraltrust.htm Quote: In this – the poorest part of India with millions on or below the bread line, money donated to Sathya Sai Baba to raise the people from poverty, ignorance, illness and want is squandered on what smells of bribery to keep his top official defenders well on side. http://robertpriddy.wordpress.com/20...directors-etc/ Quote: Incompetence and corruption of entrepreneurs beyond Sai Baba’s omnipotent control? The Rayalaseema drinking water project was financed by donations from followers of Sathya Sai Baba and began in 1996. Only in a fraction of the villages where it was supposed to be installed, leading to many disturbances by divers villagers in the Rayalaseema area variously reported in the local press. The water was very unevenly distributed, with the Prashanthi Nilayam ashram being a main beneficiary. All that is carefully suppressed by the Sathya Sai authorities in their lavish hand-outs and web pages praising the project to heaven. Nonetheless, this has done a lot of good to some villagers. Already in 1996, the Sathya Sai Rayalaseema Water Project was shown to be failing considerably due to unforeseen natural circumstances, as the report from Andhra Pradesh Regional News Network showed. Further, he had not predicted – nor miraculously altered – what proved to be a drastically sinking water table nor did he have any effect on flawed engineering plans or the many corrupt entrepreneurs involved! Sai Baba proclaimed that he has come to restore Sathya (truth) and Dharma (righteousness) – and he promised he wouldn’t travel abroad until everything was cleared up in India. Those who believe in his words and accept that water scarcity is due to decline of Sathya and Dharma will have to realize eventually that his mission has hardly made any progress in India, far less in the world. http://exbaba.com/ The underlings' scramble for power and all the cash in the Sai baba empire is already on, and he is not even dead yet. Why are we even shocked this was going to be the inevitable outcome of such a con-artist?
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6th April 2011, 04:58 PM	#18
Amapola Pirate Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Mora, New Mexico Posts: 8,260	OK, so he is not distributing water to "1.2 million people in about 750 villages". That's different then. Nevermind.
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6th April 2011, 05:14 PM	#19
slingblade Guest Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,642	Originally Posted by mikeyx and all of you in your mockery, how spiteful and sad of you. I blame his mother. She didn't have the proper breeding permit. Did she, Mikey?
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6th April 2011, 06:47 PM	#20
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Originally Posted by Amapola OK, so he is not distributing water to "1.2 million people in about 750 villages". That's different then. Nevermind. Maybe it's an Australian thing, but we seem to be able to spot the BS artists much earlier. Maybe we are just more cynical and less trusting! But whatever, this guy's massive scams and lies have been so painfully obvious that there was no way that his "water to the masses" projects (or any other charity efforts) were ever going to have results like his propaganda machine said this did. You could have bet your grandmother the money and benefits (and the water in this case) would flow to him only.
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6th April 2011, 07:01 PM	#21
devnull Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,533	Originally Posted by mikeyx and all of you in your mockery, how spiteful and sad of you. Obvious concern-troll is obvious.
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6th April 2011, 07:25 PM	#22
NewtonTrino Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bothell, WA Posts: 3,782	I'm sorry but if you claim you're a god and you get sick I mock you.

6th April 2011, 07:35 PM	#23
mike3 Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,949	Originally Posted by slingblade I blame his mother. She didn't have the proper breeding permit. Did she, Mikey? So what? You think this silly stuff is due to unchangeable genetics? Then I suppose you think there's no hope for the world to ever be any better.
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6th April 2011, 07:44 PM	#24
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,583	Originally Posted by Zep Maybe it's an Australian thing, but we seem to be able to spot the BS artists much earlier. Maybe we are just more cynical and less trusting! But whatever, this guy's massive scams and lies have been so painfully obvious that there was no way that his "water to the masses" projects (or any other charity efforts) were ever going to have results like his propaganda machine said this did. You could have bet your grandmother the money and benefits (and the water in this case) would flow to him only. On the other hand geniune local support is a kinda handy thing to have and assuming you manage to avoid bangladesh style large scale arsenic poisoning providing wells that could nominaly supply 1.2 million people with water is not that great an expense over a 15 year period. However 1.2 million is mearly the objective of the project. No word on any progress being made.

6th April 2011, 07:46 PM	#25
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,583	Originally Posted by NewtonTrino I'm sorry but if you claim you're a god and you get sick I mock you. Technicaly he's not actualy claimed to be a god (demi-god perhaps) and by he own account he's already died at least once in 1918.

6th April 2011, 08:13 PM	#26
rwerdja Thinker Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 154	Originally Posted by geni Technicaly he's not actualy claimed to be a god (demi-god perhaps) and by he own account he's already died at least once in 1918. I died once .. but I got better.
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6th April 2011, 08:22 PM	#27
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961	Originally Posted by Questioninggeller Sai Baba, a "living God" is in critical condition after being sick for over a week. For those who don't know, in addition to "curing" the sick and making "gold" rings "appear," many scandals have followed him. He claims to be Sai Baba of Shirdi reincarnated. ] Ooooooohkay! So, he has been taking in suckers all his life and now he's throttling the bucket. Cool, about time.
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7th April 2011, 06:18 AM	#28
Psi Baba Homo Skepticalis Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Occupying my barstool Posts: 3,183	Some background on Sai Baba: http://www.salon.com/people/feature/...aba/index.html http://www.exbaba.com/findings.html Quote: The stories about Sai Baba's sexual misconduct are all remarkably similar. "During my 'private audiences' with Sai Baba, Sai Baba used to touch my private parts and regularly massage my private parts, indicating that this was for spiritual purposes," wrote Dutchman Hans de Kraker in a letter sent to French journalist Virginie Saurel. In December 1996, when de Kraker was 24, Sai Baba allegedly asked him to perform oral sex: "He grabbed my head and pushed it into his groin area. He made moaning sounds," de Kraker wrote. "As soon as he took the pressure off my head and I lifted my head, Sai Baba lifted his dress and presented me a semi-erect member, telling me that this was my good luck chance, and jousted his hips towards my face." When de Kraker reported to others what had happened, he was thrown out of the ashram. Quote: American Jed Geyerhahn, who was 16 when Sai Baba started coming on to him, echoes de Kraker's account: "Each time I saw Baba, his hand would gradually make more prominent connections to my groin." The stories are endless, and endlessly alike, concerning mostly boys and men from their midteens to their mid-20s. Quote: His faith was shattered when he was shown excerpts from the diary of his close friend's 15-year-old son, detailing several incidents of molestation. The child of devotees, the boy had been raised to worship Sai Baba as God, and obliged when the master reportedly ordered his disciple to suck his penis. "You've got all these kids who are scared to death to do anything that will do disrespect to their parents, in a room with someone they believe to be the creator of the whole universe," said Meloy, his voice choked with fury. "This isn't just any child abuse; this is God himself claiming to do this." It should also be noted that Sai Baba has a lot of influence over government in India by giving officials and politicians expensive jewelry (while peasants are given "holy ash"). The world will be better off without this menace.
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7th April 2011, 11:22 AM	#29
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961	Did Sri Baba pull this holy ash out of some ash hole?
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7th April 2011, 12:01 PM	#30
Sledge Grammaton Cleric Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Swingin' on a star Posts: 7,123	Good news for Catholics, though: they can point at another religion sexually abusing it's boys. See? We're all mean and nasty for picking on them when every religion is doing it!
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8th April 2011, 12:50 PM	#31
catsmate1 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Dublin (the one in Ireland) Posts: 7,140	Originally Posted by mikeyx By which you mean you have no issue with kicking someone when they're down and obviously have no decency. By this I assume you mean subjecting this scam artist and fraudster to well deserved ridicule?

9th April 2011, 04:03 PM	#32
Pacal Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 448	Sai Baba would conjure gold necklaces out of thin air. I do mean conjure. I've seen video showing him palming it from under a box and then making it "appear out of thin air". THe guy's a con-artist fleecing the guilible. The fact that he has been bribing Indian officials for years is well known.

9th April 2011, 07:40 PM	#33
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,484	Some of them must have kept the magic ash. Why don't they sprinkle it on him. That should do the trick.

9th April 2011, 08:08 PM	#34
JoeTheJuggler Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: St. Louis Posts: 26,833	Originally Posted by mikeyx By which you mean you have no issue with kicking someone when they're down and obviously have no decency. I think it's appropriate to kick someone when they obviously have no decency, like this huckster.
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9th April 2011, 08:14 PM	#35
demonunderyourbed Thinker Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 247	how dare he or anyone claim hes a god..there are only two gods...the big man upstairs as we all know.......and lemmy from motorhead...
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10th April 2011, 08:40 PM	#36
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Originally Posted by Questioninggeller Godman Satya Sai Baba, who was admitted to hospital at Puttaparthi, the pilgrim town in Anantapur district in Andhra Pradesh on March 28 with lung infections, continues to be critical. He is on ventilator support and receiving kidney dialysis. Originally Posted by Pacal Sai Baba would conjure gold necklaces out of thin air. I do mean conjure. Actually, it sounds more like he's been passing them through his urethra.