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Old 7th April 2011, 01:31 PM   #1
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Way to go Mississippi!!!

Once again, you have proven to the nation that if ignorance were cash, you'd be the richest state in the union.

Poll: 46% of Mississippi Republicans want interracial marriage ban
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Old 7th April 2011, 01:48 PM   #2
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Hmmm... maybe I shouldn't have applied for that job @ Southern Miss.
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It's strange to think how many of my friends and their parents would be effected by such a change. Even if it was just making black and white marriages illegal that would take out my childhood best friend.

I wonder how they define "interracial"? My father-in-law is Welsh and his wife is English...that could be considered interracial by certain definitions!
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so this means Jews and Aryans could not marry?
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Originally Posted by Weak Kitten View Post
I wonder how they define "interracial"? My father-in-law is Welsh and his wife is English...that could be considered interracial by certain definitions!
The Mississippi anti-miscegenation statute that was in effect at the time of the Supreme Court's decision in Loving v. Virginia criminalized marriage between "a white person and a negro or mulatto or person who shall have one-eighth or more of negro blood, or with a Mongolian or a person who shall have one-eighth or more of Mongolian blood." Miss. Code Ann. § 459 (1942). Of course there's no guarantee that the poll respondents' preferences overlap precisely with the old legal definition, but that's the history for whatever it's worth.
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Old 7th April 2011, 02:33 PM   #6
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So what do they mean by Mongolian? Are they just picking on people from Mongolia or are they using the older term for what we now call Asians?

If the latter that still effects quite a few of my friends.
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So what do they mean by Mongolian? Are they just picking on people from Mongolia or are they using the older term for what we now call Asians?

If the latter that still effects quite a few of my friends.
I'm not sure if there was a statutory definition, but according to Wikipedia it likely included all East Asians:

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The first usage of the term Mongolian race was by Christoph Meiners in a "binary racial scheme" of "two races", with the Caucasian whose racial purity was exemplified by the "venerated... ancient Germans" and "Mongolians" who consisted of everyone else. The term Mongolian was borrowed from Meiners by Johann Blumenbach to describe "second [race], [which] includes that part of Asia beyond the Ganges and below the river Amoor [Amur], which looks toward the south, together with the islands and the greater part of these countries which is now called Australian".
In which case it would include me and my Filipino-Canadian wife-- but we never wanted to move to Mississippi anyway. (Or maybe not, as Wikipedia continues "In 1983, Futuyma claimed that the inclusion of Native Americans and Pacific Islanders under the Yellow people race was not recognized by 'many anthropologists' who consider them 'distinct races'".)
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Wow, thanks for the info. It makes me ashamed to use the term Mongolian...but if they don't object then I'll probably keep using it. I just can't remember the proper name for the peoples of that area.

It's all rather silly anyway. Interracial marriage is here to stay and any attempt to get rid of it would be met with horrible pictures of families torn apart promptly followed by the supreme court getting to tear some lawyer into tiny quivering shreds.
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so how do they devince races? here only members of the human race can marry eachother.....
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Sometimes it's just supremely embarrassing to be an American citizen.
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Just to give a sense of how much attitudes have changed, below is a quote from the Supreme Court's 1967 decision in Loving v. Virginia, which held anti-miscegenation statutes unconstitutional. The Court is quoting the Virginia trial court, which upheld the law against racial mixing based on the following reasoning:

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Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And, but for the interference with his arrangement, there would be no cause for such marriage. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.
Note that that's 1967, not 1867. This was a common view when a lot of people alive today were born.
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Could it be that some Mississippians are just afraid they have to start marrying outside of their own family?
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It should be noted that the article in question states that 46% of Republican primary voters think the state should ban inter-racial marriage. It is not a poll of the general population... not that it makes the poll results any more palatable.
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Ah, the beauty of "the South."
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Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller View Post
Could it be that some Mississippians are just afraid they have to start marrying outside of their own family?
That's bigotry. How dare you perpetuate stereotypes.


It's pretty clear they were just illiterate. They were in a hurry to get back to playing the banjo and filled in whichever circle look the least "queer".
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Wow, thanks for the info. It makes me ashamed to use the term Mongolian...but if they don't object then I'll probably keep using it. I just can't remember the proper name for the peoples of that area.

It's all rather silly anyway. Interracial marriage is here to stay and any attempt to get rid of it would be met with horrible pictures of families torn apart promptly followed by the supreme court getting to tear some lawyer into tiny quivering shreds.
Mississippi as a state isn't trying to make it illegal.

The minority of Mississippians who opined that way are displaying defiance and/or a personal preference.

You see similar things in the south all the time. Antebellum state laws are refused being struck-down even though the southerns know there's no chance in hell of surviving a superior court challenge.

FWIW, everybody in the south looks-down on Mississippi on account of their non-reconstructed sentiments.
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Old 7th April 2011, 04:10 PM   #18
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Could it be that some Mississippians are just afraid they have to start marrying outside of their own family?
That wouldn't save them.
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The minority of Mississippians who opined that way are displaying defiance and/or a personal preference.
Right, so they don't want to actually make their bigotry law.
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Originally Posted by KingMerv00 View Post
That's bigotry. How dare you perpetuate stereotypes.


It's pretty clear they were just illiterate. They were in a hurry to get back to playing the banjo and filled in whichever circle look the least "queer".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzae_SqbmDE
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That wouldn't save them.

More than a few could be marrying relatives even if they did marry someone black, especially if it was someone from the same part of the state.
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maybe secession wasn't such a bad idea after all.
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Right, so they don't want to actually make their bigotry law.

It won't matter and they know it.
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More than a few could be marrying relatives even if they did marry someone black, especially if it was someone from the same part of the state.

Exactly.
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maybe secession wasn't such a bad idea after all.
Thanks for missing the point, excrement -stirrer.
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Right, so they don't want to actually make their bigotry law.
The dreaded double-post.

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Aww, someone beat me to it. I just found this on another site and rished right over.

Just for the record, in case anyone was curious but not so much that they looked it up:

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PPP surveyed 400 usual Mississippi Republican primary voters from March 24th to 27th.
The survey’s margin of error is +/-4.9%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed
and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.
I like the people that said "not sure".
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Once again, you have proven to the nation that if ignorance were cash, you'd be the richest state in the union.
This is more an example of intolerance, not ignorance, no?
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so this means Jews and Aryans could not marry?
In Mississippi, it means that NASCAR fans and Formula One fans can't marry.
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Here in Alabama we're very progressive. The ban on interracial marriage was overturned in 2000.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/vote2000/al/main03.htm
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In many rural, mostly white counties, the amendment either passed narrowly or was defeated. But in urban centers, such as Jefferson County, it passed overwhelmingly.
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Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller View Post

Uh-oh... a banjo and guitar playing together. That'll never fly with the grand wizard.



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Once again, you have proven to the nation that if ignorance were cash, you'd be the richest state in the union.
How is it ignorant?

It sounds like they don't lack knowledge, but simply arrived at a position you find reprehensible.
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How is it ignorant?

It sounds like they don't lack knowledge, but simply arrived at a position you find reprehensible.
What reasons for banning interracial marriage aren't based in ignorance?
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How is it ignorant?

It sounds like they don't lack knowledge, but simply arrived at a position you find reprehensible.
sorry my ignorance but what is race?
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sorry my ignorance but what is race?
Like gender it is a purely social construct based commonly on certain physical traits. Just because it has no biological basis does not mean it is not real enough to impact peoples lives.
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In Mississippi, it means that NASCAR fans and Formula One fans can't marry.
That isn't an issue. There are no Formula One fans in Mississippi.
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How is it ignorant?

not only is it ignorant, but its racist and authoritarian.

I thought these Conservative folks were all about freedom and liberty?

I guess not.
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Wow, thanks for the info. It makes me ashamed to use the term Mongolian...but if they don't object then I'll probably keep using it. I just can't remember the proper name for the peoples of that area.
What's wrong with "Asian" if you don't know where else they're from? I'm not going to call a Frenchman "German" just because I can't remember what French people are like.
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And most of the Republicans there want to get Haley Barbur as POTUS.
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What's wrong with "Asian" if you don't know where else they're from? I'm not going to call a Frenchman "German" just because I can't remember what French people are like.
Why do the Amish call all non-Amish "English"? And how did Germans become "Pennsylvania Dutch"?
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