Pay for the war wh Iraqi Oil = Lie?

Tmy · 26th March 2004, 06:20 AM

Now I may have been in a drunken haze at the time but I sort of remember that before the war we were told that the cost of the whole thing would be recouped thru Iraqi Oil profits................Then we were asked to pony up a gazzillion dollars for Iraq.

I was wondering. Do we still have plans to be repayed thru the oil sales?? Havent heard much about that at all. Was it realistic for the Whitehouse to make this claim in the first place.?

zenith-nadir · 26th March 2004, 06:28 AM

Iraqi oil has nothing to do with what you pay at the pump, these guys do...OPEC production cuts planned for April

I wish the big three would just dump 20 billion into miniaturizing of light-duty fuel cell engines and lets be done with our OPEC dependance already!

Tmy · 26th March 2004, 06:37 AM

Im not talking about gas prices (which do suck by the way) I mean the taxpayer expense to rebuild Iraq. We were promised that it wouldnt cost us squat.

And teh big three have little incentive to build fuel cell cars.

Jon_in_london · 26th March 2004, 06:40 AM

ques que ce, le 'big three'?

Tmy · 26th March 2004, 06:56 AM

The big 3 american out makers. GM Ford and Chrystler.

You know, the car compaines that keep churining out big gas eating V8 SUV's.. Why would they want to focus on fuel cell cars when an H2 can fetch $60K

Hutch · 26th March 2004, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jon_in_london
ques que ce, le 'big three'?

Just a slang term for the three biggest carmakers in the USA--Ford, GM, and Chrysler (Now Damilier-Benz). Somewhat outdated as Toyota outsells most of them and all the Japanese and German carmakers have plants here in the US.

Tmy was making the point (In his opinion) that the big carmakers have no (profit) incentive to make fuel-cell or more fuel-efficient cars at this time. A discussion that might be worth a thread all by itself.

Michael Redman · 26th March 2004, 07:48 AM

We were not told that Iraqi oil would pay for the war, but we were told that Iraq would be able to pay for it's own reconstruction with oil revenue. Was that a lie? It was either a lie, or a mistaken belief based on a conscious indifference to the truth.

zenith-nadir · 26th March 2004, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tmy
Im not talking about gas prices (which do suck by the way) I mean the taxpayer expense to rebuild Iraq. We were promised that it wouldnt cost us squat.And teh big three have little incentive to build fuel cell cars.

I am curious to see the quotes that rebuild of Iraq would cost America "squat".

And folks are correct, it is the big two and Toyota now. If I could sell a zero emmission engine before my competitors in today's ecologically-friendly market I would jump at the chance. But alas the oil companies do not want to spend the money to build a hydrogen suppy and storage infrastructure.

Chaos · 26th March 2004, 08:13 AM

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Originally posted by Michael Redman
We were not told that Iraqi oil would pay for the war, but we were told that Iraq would be able to pay for it's own reconstruction with oil revenue. Was that a lie? It was either a lie, or a mistaken belief based on a conscious indifference to the truth.

I´ve seen the argument/promise "Iraqi oil will pay our [the US´s] costs" thrown around in TIME and Newsweek - at least the International edition - about a year ago.
I´ve also seen articles to the tune of "oil companies looking forward to making big bucks off Iraq", but that´s another story.

clk · 26th March 2004, 09:50 AM

I've always believed this war was for oil, and when I said that before the war, everyone said: "no, you fool, it's about WMDs! Saddam is a threat to the US!" Well, turns out they were wrong about Saddam having WMDs and Saddam being a threat. In 10 years, after Iraq is straigthened out, the oil will be floating out of there and into it's close ally and friend, the US. That means we can tell OPEC to go screw themselves. I think the US will get the money spent on Iraq back in the long term.

peptoabysmal · 26th March 2004, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by clk
I've always believed this war was for oil, and when I said that before the war, everyone said: "no, you fool, it's about WMDs! Saddam is a threat to the US!" Well, turns out they were wrong about Saddam having WMDs and Saddam being a threat. In 10 years, after Iraq is straigthened out, the oil will be floating out of there and into it's close ally and friend, the US. That means we can tell OPEC to go screw themselves. I think the US will get the money spent on Iraq back in the long term.

I have my doubts that Iraq will be our friends in 10 years. They will probably be marching with "Yankee go home!" banners.

However, check this out; It is a fact that many trucks were observed and photographed moving "something" into Syria immediately before and even during the war. What do you think was in those trucks? Baby milk perhaps?

Saddam's WMD hidden in Syria, says Iraq survey chief

clk · 26th March 2004, 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by peptoabysmal

I have my doubts that Iraq will be our friends in 10 years. They will probably be marching with "Yankee go home!" banners.

If that is the case, then the war will have been a miserable failure.

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However, check this out; It is a fact that many trucks were observed and photographed moving "something" into Syria immediately before and even during the war. What do you think was in those trucks? Baby milk perhaps?

So....what? Are you trying to imply that Saddam was able to smuggle out all of his WMDs right under the eyes of the entire world? I don't know what was in the trucks, but I bet there sure as hell weren't any WMDs in there! Why would Saddam smuggle them out instead of use them to defend himself? Oh wow, there are trucks crossing the border to Syria! Surely there must be WMDs in there, right? Wrong. Remember when Powell showed us those satellite photos, and claimed it was a WMD storage facility or a WMD factory, or whatever? It was a lie. This whole "WMD to Syria" stuff is really weak at best. Bush knew that Iraq had no WMDs as soon as the weapons inspectors were able to search sites and they didn't find anything. That's why Bush pulled them out and decided to go to war anyways. If they had been allowed to stay longer, then the truth would have gotten out....Saddam had no WMDs!

26th March 2004, 06:20 AM	#1
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	Pay for the war wh Iraqi Oil = Lie? Now I may have been in a drunken haze at the time but I sort of remember that before the war we were told that the cost of the whole thing would be recouped thru Iraqi Oil profits................Then we were asked to pony up a gazzillion dollars for Iraq. I was wondering. Do we still have plans to be repayed thru the oil sales?? Havent heard much about that at all. Was it realistic for the Whitehouse to make this claim in the first place.?
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26th March 2004, 06:28 AM	#2
zenith-nadir Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,500	Iraqi oil has nothing to do with what you pay at the pump, these guys do...OPEC production cuts planned for April I wish the big three would just dump 20 billion into miniaturizing of light-duty fuel cell engines and lets be done with our OPEC dependance already!
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26th March 2004, 06:37 AM	#3
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	Im not talking about gas prices (which do suck by the way) I mean the taxpayer expense to rebuild Iraq. We were promised that it wouldnt cost us squat. And teh big three have little incentive to build fuel cell cars.
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26th March 2004, 06:40 AM	#4
Jon_in_london Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 4,994	ques que ce, le 'big three'?
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26th March 2004, 06:56 AM	#5
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	The big 3 american out makers. GM Ford and Chrystler. You know, the car compaines that keep churining out big gas eating V8 SUV's.. Why would they want to focus on fuel cell cars when an H2 can fetch $60K
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26th March 2004, 06:58 AM	#6
Hutch A broken man on a Halifax pier, the last of Barrett's Privateers Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: About 7 Miles from the Saturn 5B Posts: 6,536	Quote: Originally posted by Jon_in_london ques que ce, le 'big three'? Just a slang term for the three biggest carmakers in the USA--Ford, GM, and Chrysler (Now Damilier-Benz). Somewhat outdated as Toyota outsells most of them and all the Japanese and German carmakers have plants here in the US. Tmy was making the point (In his opinion) that the big carmakers have no (profit) incentive to make fuel-cell or more fuel-efficient cars at this time. A discussion that might be worth a thread all by itself.
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26th March 2004, 07:48 AM	#7
Michael Redman Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 3,063	We were not told that Iraqi oil would pay for the war, but we were told that Iraq would be able to pay for it's own reconstruction with oil revenue. Was that a lie? It was either a lie, or a mistaken belief based on a conscious indifference to the truth.
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26th March 2004, 07:53 AM	#8
zenith-nadir Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,500	Quote: Originally posted by Tmy Im not talking about gas prices (which do suck by the way) I mean the taxpayer expense to rebuild Iraq. We were promised that it wouldnt cost us squat.And teh big three have little incentive to build fuel cell cars. I am curious to see the quotes that rebuild of Iraq would cost America "squat". And folks are correct, it is the big two and Toyota now. If I could sell a zero emmission engine before my competitors in today's ecologically-friendly market I would jump at the chance. But alas the oil companies do not want to spend the money to build a hydrogen suppy and storage infrastructure.
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26th March 2004, 08:13 AM	#9
Chaos TAM Chocolate Dispenser Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Heart of Old Europe Posts: 9,778	Quote: Originally posted by Michael Redman We were not told that Iraqi oil would pay for the war, but we were told that Iraq would be able to pay for it's own reconstruction with oil revenue. Was that a lie? It was either a lie, or a mistaken belief based on a conscious indifference to the truth. I´ve seen the argument/promise "Iraqi oil will pay our [the US´s] costs" thrown around in TIME and Newsweek - at least the International edition - about a year ago. I´ve also seen articles to the tune of "oil companies looking forward to making big bucks off Iraq", but that´s another story.
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26th March 2004, 09:50 AM	#10
clk Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,329	I've always believed this war was for oil, and when I said that before the war, everyone said: "no, you fool, it's about WMDs! Saddam is a threat to the US!" Well, turns out they were wrong about Saddam having WMDs and Saddam being a threat. In 10 years, after Iraq is straigthened out, the oil will be floating out of there and into it's close ally and friend, the US. That means we can tell OPEC to go screw themselves. I think the US will get the money spent on Iraq back in the long term.
clk Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,329	__________________ "After all, a week ago, there were â€” Yasser Arafat was boarded up in his building in Ramallah, a building full of, evidently, German peace protestors and all kinds of people. They're now out. He's now free to show leadership, to lead the world." â€”George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 2, 2002 Will Ferrell playing President Bush on SNL: "According to a recent poll, nearly 90% of the Arab world believes that some years ago, Egyptian president Hosni Mubarek, Saddam Hussein, and the sultan of Brunei were kidnapped by the CIA and replaced wih Israeli look-alikes. And that later, these look-alikes were killed and replaced by Israeli robots, one of which is a lesbian robot. Also, one of the robots is invisible. Let me just say that this is at best a gross oversimplification of the truth."

26th March 2004, 10:28 AM	#11
peptoabysmal Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,467	Quote: Originally posted by clk I've always believed this war was for oil, and when I said that before the war, everyone said: "no, you fool, it's about WMDs! Saddam is a threat to the US!" Well, turns out they were wrong about Saddam having WMDs and Saddam being a threat. In 10 years, after Iraq is straigthened out, the oil will be floating out of there and into it's close ally and friend, the US. That means we can tell OPEC to go screw themselves. I think the US will get the money spent on Iraq back in the long term. I have my doubts that Iraq will be our friends in 10 years. They will probably be marching with "Yankee go home!" banners. However, check this out; It is a fact that many trucks were observed and photographed moving "something" into Syria immediately before and even during the war. What do you think was in those trucks? Baby milk perhaps? Saddam's WMD hidden in Syria, says Iraq survey chief

26th March 2004, 10:44 AM	#12
clk Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,329	Quote: Originally posted by peptoabysmal I have my doubts that Iraq will be our friends in 10 years. They will probably be marching with "Yankee go home!" banners. If that is the case, then the war will have been a miserable failure. Quote: However, check this out; It is a fact that many trucks were observed and photographed moving "something" into Syria immediately before and even during the war. What do you think was in those trucks? Baby milk perhaps? So....what? Are you trying to imply that Saddam was able to smuggle out all of his WMDs right under the eyes of the entire world? I don't know what was in the trucks, but I bet there sure as hell weren't any WMDs in there! Why would Saddam smuggle them out instead of use them to defend himself? Oh wow, there are trucks crossing the border to Syria! Surely there must be WMDs in there, right? Wrong. Remember when Powell showed us those satellite photos, and claimed it was a WMD storage facility or a WMD factory, or whatever? It was a lie. This whole "WMD to Syria" stuff is really weak at best. Bush knew that Iraq had no WMDs as soon as the weapons inspectors were able to search sites and they didn't find anything. That's why Bush pulled them out and decided to go to war anyways. If they had been allowed to stay longer, then the truth would have gotten out....Saddam had no WMDs!
clk Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,329	__________________ "After all, a week ago, there were â€” Yasser Arafat was boarded up in his building in Ramallah, a building full of, evidently, German peace protestors and all kinds of people. They're now out. He's now free to show leadership, to lead the world." â€”George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 2, 2002 Will Ferrell playing President Bush on SNL: "According to a recent poll, nearly 90% of the Arab world believes that some years ago, Egyptian president Hosni Mubarek, Saddam Hussein, and the sultan of Brunei were kidnapped by the CIA and replaced wih Israeli look-alikes. And that later, these look-alikes were killed and replaced by Israeli robots, one of which is a lesbian robot. Also, one of the robots is invisible. Let me just say that this is at best a gross oversimplification of the truth."