Terrorist Organization Assaults Amish Farmers Over Milk Production

michaelsuede · 29th April 2011, 02:09 PM

The criminal terrorist organization you call the FDA has decided that you are simply too stupid to know what’s best for you. Accordingly, they have raided a completely peaceful Amish farmer for the heinous crime of selling raw milk to willing consumers.

You see, consumers might accidentally purchase raw milk, confusing it with highly modified, steroid ridden, pasteurized, homogenized, genetically altered regular milk produced by mega-corporate dairy conglomerates, which might put their lives in jeopardy based on research conducted back in the 1960s (which has never been subsequently verified).

In order to get around federal jurisdiction legalities, the terrorist organization purchased milk from the farmers who then shipped it across state lines. This act gave the feds the authority to mount a 5:00 AM raid on the Amish farmers, who were subsequently traumatized by armed Stasi enforcers storming around their private property looking for anything they deemed to be unwholesome for you.

Chairman Mao warned us that “There is a serious tendency toward capitalism among the well-to-do peasants.” It appears as if his prophecy has come to pass here in our criminal communist State. Thank god the FDA is here to crack down on those who would make a living by providing products that people are voluntarily willing to pay for.

An officer demonstrates his lack of masculinity by drawing his weapon in fear of being attacked by raw milk wholesalers.

Raw milk distributors have a history of violent gang-like activity dating back to 10,000 B.C. when Ugma the goat farmer beat Bututu over head with a Woolly Mammoth thighbone for not paying his milk protection money. I can see why armed State agents were necessary in order take on the Amish mafia at 5:00 AM.

IMST · 29th April 2011, 02:17 PM

Oh good, I was worried you might use needlessly inflammatory language when I clicked this link.

Piscivore · 29th April 2011, 02:25 PM

I just have to ask; is this kind of thing working for you? Have you ever convinced anyone ever of these opinions you are trying to relate with this overblown, hysterical hyperbole?

My brother and his wife are big raw milk fans, and they are working to get it legalised in TX where they live, but somehow they are able to do so in a mature, calm manner (without childish name-calling and emotional arguments) and are seeing results that way.

Why can't you?

ideogram · 29th April 2011, 02:33 PM

I don't think it's possible to have a rational conversation with this guy.

randman · 29th April 2011, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by michaelsuede

The criminal terrorist organization you call the FDA has decided that you are simply too stupid to know what’s best for you. Accordingly, they have raided a completely peaceful Amish farmer for the heinous crime of selling raw milk to willing consumers.

You see, consumers might accidentally purchase raw milk, confusing it with highly modified, steroid ridden, pasteurized, homogenized, genetically altered regular milk produced by mega-corporate dairy conglomerates, which might put their lives in jeopardy based on research conducted back in the 1960s (which has never been subsequently verified).

In order to get around federal jurisdiction legalities, the terrorist organization purchased milk from the farmers who then shipped it across state lines. This act gave the feds the authority to mount a 5:00 AM raid on the Amish farmers, who were subsequently traumatized by armed Stasi enforcers storming around their private property looking for anything they deemed to be unwholesome for you.

Chairman Mao warned us that “There is a serious tendency toward capitalism among the well-to-do peasants.” It appears as if his prophecy has come to pass here in our criminal communist State. Thank god the FDA is here to crack down on those who would make a living by providing products that people are voluntarily willing to pay for.

http://www.fascistsoup.com/wp-conten...e-raid-260.jpg
An officer demonstrates his lack of masculinity by drawing his weapon in fear of being attacked by raw milk wholesalers.

Raw milk distributors have a history of violent gang-like activity dating back to 10,000 B.C. when Ugma the goat farmer beat Bututu over head with a Woolly Mammoth thighbone for not paying his milk protection money. I can see why armed State agents were necessary in order take on the Amish mafia at 5:00 AM.

Obama and the dems have been seeking to go after the food supply for some time if you ask me. Just look at the legislation they have pushed. Can't have organic and free range, non-corporate farms. Gotta bring both the food supply and health-care under government and corporate control if you want to control people.

Guns are still on their agenda as well.

michaelsuede · 29th April 2011, 02:41 PM

I think if you were the Amish farmers, you would be terrorized by the FDA's actions.

Hence, it is entirely appropriate to label the FDA as a terrorist organization.

Ausmerican · 29th April 2011, 02:48 PM

The FDA might have a point aboput how stupid people are. Some people are actually stupid enough to equate the FDA with an actual terrorist organization. And that's pretty damn stupid.

michaelsuede · 29th April 2011, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Ausmerican

The FDA might have a point aboput how stupid people are. Some people are actually stupid enough to equate the FDA with an actual terrorist organization. And that's pretty damn stupid.

I guess you don't think the farmers were terrorized by a 5:00 AM raid by armed agents.

I'll ask the FDA if they can stop by your house and conduct a pre-dawn inspection of your property.

Never know, you might be producing something in your house without State permission.

Kid Eager · 29th April 2011, 02:52 PM

Speaking of "which has never been subsequently verified"....

Piscivore · 29th April 2011, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by michaelsuede

I think if you were the Amish farmers, you would be terrorized by the FDA's actions.

Hence, it is entirely appropriate to label the FDA as a terrorist organization.

I had an insured that used the same logic to try and get his car fixed- he didn't mean to run his car without oil- in other words it "happened accidentally"- therefore his "accident" insurance should buy him a new engine.

Didn't work for him, either. Of course, you'll probably tell me that insurance companies are terrorist socialist commie mafiosi just out to rob the poor, defenseless noble consumer and we'll all be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.

How's that going, by the way? Lined up a bunch of new recruits with the name-calling and equivocation?

michaelsuede · 29th April 2011, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Kid Eager

Speaking of "which has never been subsequently verified"....

I eagerly await your research demonstrating raw milk is bad for you.

I'm sure the research will be paid for by some dairy conglomerate or other institution that operates at their behest.

michaelsuede · 29th April 2011, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Piscivore

I had an insured that used the same logic to try and get his car fixed- he didn't mean to run his car without oil- in other words it "happened accidentally"- therefore his "accident" insurance should buy him a new engine.

Didn't work for him, either. Of course, you'll probably tell me that insurance companies are terrorist socialist commie mafiosi just out to rob the poor, defenseless noble consumer and we'll all be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.

How's that going, by the way? Lined up a bunch of new recruits with the name-calling and equivocation?

I think insurance companies should take over our policing and court systems.

They would do a better job of providing those services and they would do so based entirely on voluntary purchases rather than coercive theft.

Insurance companies wouldn't be raiding Amish farmers at 5:00 AM for producing milk products.

michaelsuede · 29th April 2011, 03:03 PM

Just thought I'd throw this out there in case people actually thought that having armed State agents terrorize Amish farmers was in their best interests.

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ma...w_milk/?page=2

Quote:

SOME OF THE EVIDENCE WOULD SEEM TO back her up. The last cases of illness from raw milk recorded by the Massachusetts Department of Agricultural Resources occurred nine years ago, when 11 Boy Scouts visiting a farm became ill with salmonella after drinking raw milk; all recovered. Nationally, according to the Centers for Disease Control, from 1998 to 2005 there were 1,007 illnesses and two deaths from raw milk or cheese consumption - a tiny fraction of the estimated 76 million total cases of foodborne illnesses each year. And few foods are absolutely safe, including pasteurized milk. Massachusetts consumers found this out in December, when state public health officials revealed that three elderly men died from listeriosis they had contracted from pasteurized milk produced in Shrewsbury; a pregnant woman who contracted the illness had a miscarriage.

Thank god the State is here to protect you from yourself.

The Shrike · 29th April 2011, 03:03 PM

I never met an Amish dude who wasn't already up and at 'em at 5:00 am. Since when is it possible to wake a dairy farmer at 5?

I also never met an Amish dude with a surveillance camera . . .

Kid Eager · 29th April 2011, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by michaelsuede

I eagerly await your research demonstrating raw milk is bad for you.

I'm sure the research will be paid for by some dairy conglomerate or other institution that operates at their behest.

Well in that case, I'm sure I can pre-emptively disregard any research that paints pasteurised milk in a positive light, and embrace only research that portrays that milk negatively. That will produce a balanced conclusion, I'm sure... Oh, wait...

PS - It's been done to death on this forum previously.

PPS - Feel free at any time to substantiate your claims in the OP re pasteurised milk.

Piscivore · 29th April 2011, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by michaelsuede

I think insurance companies should take over our policing and court systems.

They would do a better job of providing those services and they would do so based entirely on voluntary purchases rather than coercive theft.

That's funny, considering how many of my clients consider insurance "coercive theft".

Quote:

Insurance companies wouldn't be raiding Amish farmers at 5:00 AM for producing milk products.

If it impinged on profitability, why wouldn't they? We do pursue frauds and insurance cheats already, you do realise?

But I don't argue with fanatics. I'm just curious if this approach you've chosen is accomplishing your goals. Is it?

michaelsuede · 29th April 2011, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by The Shrike

I never met an Amish dude who wasn't already up and at 'em at 5:00 am. Since when is it possible to wake a dairy farmer at 5?

I also never met an Amish dude with a surveillance camera . . .

The camera shot is from a raw food retail raid in a separate Stasi incident.

It doesn't matter if the Amish get up at 3:00, 5:00, or high noon. Armed men barging on to your private property demanding to inspect everything is violation of human rights.

michaelsuede · 29th April 2011, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Piscivore

That's funny, considering how many of my clients consider insurance "coercive theft".

If it impinged on profitability, why wouldn't they? We do pursue frauds and insurance cheats already, you do realise?

But I don't argue with fanatics. I'm just curious if this approach you've chosen is accomplishing your goals. Is it?

Selling raw milk is not a fraud.

Piscivore · 29th April 2011, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by michaelsuede

Selling raw milk is not a fraud.

I don't argue with fanatics. I'm just curious if this hostile approach you've chosen is accomplishing your goals. Is it?

Robin · 29th April 2011, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by randman

Obama and the dems have been seeking to go after the food supply for some time if you ask me. Just look at the legislation they have pushed. Can't have organic and free range, non-corporate farms. Gotta bring both the food supply and health-care under government and corporate control if you want to control people.

Guns are still on their agenda as well.

Just what I needed this morning. A loony right-wing conspiriacy theory.

Perhaps you should email Donald Trump to run with this one as well.

michaelsuede · 29th April 2011, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Kid Eager

Well in that case, I'm sure I can pre-emptively disregard any research that paints pasteurised milk in a positive light, and embrace only research that portrays that milk negatively. That will produce a balanced conclusion, I'm sure... Oh, wait...

PS - It's been done to death on this forum previously.

PPS - Feel free at any time to substantiate your claims in the OP re pasteurised milk.

I'm glad to see you are in agreement with spending my money on raiding Amish farmers.

We are all safer and richer because of it.

The Amish should be charged under the RICO act and thrown in prison for life.

michaelsuede · 29th April 2011, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by Robin

Just what I needed this morning. A loony right-wing conspiriacy theory.

Perhaps you should email Donald Trump to run with this one as well.

I really needed some leftwing pro-state propaganda that supports raids against Amish people with my tax dollars.

Thanks for that.

AlaskaBushPilot · 29th April 2011, 03:11 PM

I expected the logic we see here - it's OK for the feds to waste all these resources treating this like a major crack cocaine investigation, with a pre-dawn storm trooper raid and all...

because the fellow who posted it used "inflammatory language" instead of acting like a complacent, obedient servant.

I took it as quite justifiable sarcasm, not hysteria. It is hard to believe the country has come this far downward from patriots who threw off tyrannical government to establish liberty for their progeny whilst uttering in all sincerity "give me liberty or give me death"... to progeny who attack people for saying far less than that.

michaelsuede · 29th April 2011, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot

I expected the logic we see here - it's OK for the feds to waste all these resources treating this like a major crack cocaine investigation, with a pre-dawn storm trooper raid and all...

because the fellow who posted it used "inflammatory language" instead of acting like a complacent, obedient servant.

I took it as quite justifiable sarcasm, not hysteria. It is hard to believe the country has come this far downward from patriots who threw off tyrannical government to establish liberty for their progeny whilst uttering in all sincerity "give me liberty or give me death"... to progeny who attack people for saying far less than that.

I have contacted the DHS over your treasonous rant you capitalist pig.

You are going down.

We know this is meant in jest but just be aware that sometimes such jesting can slip over into Rule 0 and Rule 12 breaches, especially if it isn't made very clear that it is a jest. Not everyone has a good sense of humour no matter what they claim!

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sinclairmcevoy · 29th April 2011, 03:14 PM

Is selling the raw milk the problem or was it because they shipped it over State lines?

I notice that the Police (terrorists) also set up drug dealers, some of whom produce a product that others are willing to consume at their own risk. What a country!

MG1962 · 29th April 2011, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by randman

Obama and the dems have been seeking to go after the food supply for some time if you ask me. Just look at the legislation they have pushed. Can't have organic and free range, non-corporate farms. Gotta bring both the food supply and health-care under government and corporate control if you want to control people.

Guns are still on their agenda as well.

Get a grip - people have been complaining about this for over a 100 years.

ideogram · 29th April 2011, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot

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Sounds like a sockpuppet.

Piscivore · 29th April 2011, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot

I expected the logic we see here - it's OK for the feds to waste all these resources treating this like a major crack cocaine investigation, with a pre-dawn storm trooper raid and all...

because the fellow who posted it used "inflammatory language" instead of acting like a complacent, obedient servant.

I took it as quite justifiable sarcasm, not hysteria. It is hard to believe the country has come this far downward from patriots who threw off tyrannical government to establish liberty for their progeny whilst uttering in all sincerity "give me liberty or give me death"... to progeny who attack people for saying far less than that.

I think there are actually arguments to be made in favour of raw milk... I'd just prefer to discuss them with grown-ups that actually have arguments better than self-serving partisan sarcasm, hyperbole, and name-calling.

MG1962 · 29th April 2011, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by sinclairmcevoy

Is selling the raw milk the problem or was it because they shipped it over State lines?

I notice that the Police (terrorists) also set up drug dealers, some of whom produce a product that others are willing to consume at their own risk. What a country!

The State lines is an issue over shelf life

corbin · 29th April 2011, 03:16 PM

What? You guys actually think the FDA should be protecting us from ourselves?

Even if we assume that raw milk is dangerous, people should be allowed to make poor decisions. You cannot legislate intelligence from the top-down... you just end up with pesky government micromanagement of personal live choices and create the justification necessary for anti-competitive economic regulations.

Making dangerous **** illegal also creates a black market (with all of its negative effects) because the demand is still there.

michaelsuede · 29th April 2011, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Piscivore

I think there are actually arguments to be made in favour of raw milk... I'd just prefer to discuss them with grown-ups that actually have arguments better than partisan self-serving sarcasm, hyperbole, and name-calling.

I prefer to engage in name-calling and propaganda against those who seek to take money from me by force and use it to wage warfare against Amish people.

ideogram · 29th April 2011, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by michaelsuede

I prefer to engage in name-calling and propaganda against those who seek to take money from me by force and use it to wage warfare against Amish people.

But then, you repeat yourself.

And, of course you are such a friend to the Amish.

You don't care about raw milk. You don't care about the Amish. You don't even care about making a coherent argument. You just want to whine and shout slogans and make as much noise as possible.

Robin · 29th April 2011, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by randman

Obama and the dems have been seeking to go after the food supply for some time if you ask me.

And according to the Washington Post article that particular raid occurred in 2008.

Just shows hiow fiendish Obama and the Dems are, infiltrating the Republican party like that.

michaelsuede · 29th April 2011, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by ideogram

But then, you repeat yourself.

And, of course you are such a friend to the Amish.

I like simple people that mind their own business and don't ask anything of anyone else.

So yes, I would consider myself a friend of theirs.

michaelsuede · 29th April 2011, 03:23 PM

I would VOLUNTEER MY OWN MONEY to help people like this:

http://reason.com/blog/2006/12/27/am...-accept-food-s

Quote:

This story from the Cleveland Plain Dealer is a couple of months old, but it's a fascinating example of how government tries to insist on "helping" people who are not so evidently in need of its "help." The Ohio Office of Family Stability is demanding that local welfare workers somehow get Amish people to sign up for food stamps. Why? Just because they are eligible on the basis of income. By refusing to sign up, the Amish are lowering the local food stamp participation rates which makes the agency look bad.

That is how people SHOULD behave.

If the Amish can make it without government assistance, I think the leeches of our society can make it just fine without government assistance.

The State is a criminal organization of looting thieves.

ideogram · 29th April 2011, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by michaelsuede

I like simple people that mind their own business and don't ask anything of anyone else.

So yes, I would consider myself a friend of theirs.

I doubt they would consider you a friend. Why don't you ask them?

Originally Posted by michaelsuede

I would VOLUNTEER MY OWN MONEY to help people like this:

Put up or shut up.

Piscivore · 29th April 2011, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by michaelsuede

I prefer to engage in name-calling and propaganda...

Is it working? Is the system crumbling in the face of your withering scorn? Are people flocking to the banner of your righteous anger? Do you have some other goal I haven't thought of that this behaviour is accomplishing for you?

Robin · 29th April 2011, 03:24 PM

In fact we are talking about two separate events.

The one where there is a picture of a policeman with a gun drawn is in 2008.

Then there is the more recent 5 am inspection where the police were involved but there is no suggestion of a gun drawn.

So these sort of actions have occurred under Republican and Democrat administrations and in both cases a law has been broken.

michaelsuede · 29th April 2011, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Piscivore

Is it working? Is the system crumbling in the face of your withering scorn? Are people flocking to the banner of your righteous anger? Do you have some other goal I haven't thought of that this behaviour is accomplishing for you?

I think so.

Kid Eager · 29th April 2011, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Robin

In fact we are talking about two separate events.

The one where there is a picture of a policeman with a gun drawn is in 2008.

Then there is the more recent 5 am inspection where the police were involved but there is no suggestion of a gun drawn.

So these sort of actions have occurred under Republican and Democrat administrations and in both cases a law has been broken.

You're missing the point - when you've got hyperbole, you don't need facts!

(You do, however, apparently need a rather large bag of adjectives..)

29th April 2011, 02:09 PM	#1
michaelsuede Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,280	Terrorist Organization Assaults Amish Farmers Over Milk Production The criminal terrorist organization you call the FDA has decided that you are simply too stupid to know what’s best for you. Accordingly, they have raided a completely peaceful Amish farmer for the heinous crime of selling raw milk to willing consumers. You see, consumers might accidentally purchase raw milk, confusing it with highly modified, steroid ridden, pasteurized, homogenized, genetically altered regular milk produced by mega-corporate dairy conglomerates, which might put their lives in jeopardy based on research conducted back in the 1960s (which has never been subsequently verified). In order to get around federal jurisdiction legalities, the terrorist organization purchased milk from the farmers who then shipped it across state lines. This act gave the feds the authority to mount a 5:00 AM raid on the Amish farmers, who were subsequently traumatized by armed Stasi enforcers storming around their private property looking for anything they deemed to be unwholesome for you. Chairman Mao warned us that “There is a serious tendency toward capitalism among the well-to-do peasants.” It appears as if his prophecy has come to pass here in our criminal communist State. Thank god the FDA is here to crack down on those who would make a living by providing products that people are voluntarily willing to pay for. An officer demonstrates his lack of masculinity by drawing his weapon in fear of being attacked by raw milk wholesalers. Raw milk distributors have a history of violent gang-like activity dating back to 10,000 B.C. when Ugma the goat farmer beat Bututu over head with a Woolly Mammoth thighbone for not paying his milk protection money. I can see why armed State agents were necessary in order take on the Amish mafia at 5:00 AM.
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29th April 2011, 02:17 PM	#2
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29th April 2011, 02:25 PM	#3
Piscivore Smelling fishy Join Date: May 2004 Location: Home is wherever I'm with you Posts: 26,455	I just have to ask; is this kind of thing working for you? Have you ever convinced anyone ever of these opinions you are trying to relate with this overblown, hysterical hyperbole? My brother and his wife are big raw milk fans, and they are working to get it legalised in TX where they live, but somehow they are able to do so in a mature, calm manner (without childish name-calling and emotional arguments) and are seeing results that way. Why can't you?
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29th April 2011, 02:33 PM	#4
ideogram Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 465	I don't think it's possible to have a rational conversation with this guy.
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29th April 2011, 02:37 PM	#5
randman Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 3,677	Originally Posted by michaelsuede The criminal terrorist organization you call the FDA has decided that you are simply too stupid to know what’s best for you. Accordingly, they have raided a completely peaceful Amish farmer for the heinous crime of selling raw milk to willing consumers. You see, consumers might accidentally purchase raw milk, confusing it with highly modified, steroid ridden, pasteurized, homogenized, genetically altered regular milk produced by mega-corporate dairy conglomerates, which might put their lives in jeopardy based on research conducted back in the 1960s (which has never been subsequently verified). In order to get around federal jurisdiction legalities, the terrorist organization purchased milk from the farmers who then shipped it across state lines. This act gave the feds the authority to mount a 5:00 AM raid on the Amish farmers, who were subsequently traumatized by armed Stasi enforcers storming around their private property looking for anything they deemed to be unwholesome for you. Chairman Mao warned us that “There is a serious tendency toward capitalism among the well-to-do peasants.” It appears as if his prophecy has come to pass here in our criminal communist State. Thank god the FDA is here to crack down on those who would make a living by providing products that people are voluntarily willing to pay for. http://www.fascistsoup.com/wp-conten...e-raid-260.jpg An officer demonstrates his lack of masculinity by drawing his weapon in fear of being attacked by raw milk wholesalers. Raw milk distributors have a history of violent gang-like activity dating back to 10,000 B.C. when Ugma the goat farmer beat Bututu over head with a Woolly Mammoth thighbone for not paying his milk protection money. I can see why armed State agents were necessary in order take on the Amish mafia at 5:00 AM. Obama and the dems have been seeking to go after the food supply for some time if you ask me. Just look at the legislation they have pushed. Can't have organic and free range, non-corporate farms. Gotta bring both the food supply and health-care under government and corporate control if you want to control people. Guns are still on their agenda as well.
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29th April 2011, 02:41 PM	#6
michaelsuede Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,280	I think if you were the Amish farmers, you would be terrorized by the FDA's actions. Hence, it is entirely appropriate to label the FDA as a terrorist organization.

29th April 2011, 02:48 PM	#7
Ausmerican Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,381	The FDA might have a point aboput how stupid people are. Some people are actually stupid enough to equate the FDA with an actual terrorist organization. And that's pretty damn stupid.
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29th April 2011, 02:49 PM	#8
michaelsuede Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,280	Originally Posted by Ausmerican The FDA might have a point aboput how stupid people are. Some people are actually stupid enough to equate the FDA with an actual terrorist organization. And that's pretty damn stupid. I guess you don't think the farmers were terrorized by a 5:00 AM raid by armed agents. I'll ask the FDA if they can stop by your house and conduct a pre-dawn inspection of your property. Never know, you might be producing something in your house without State permission.
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Kid Eager Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 3,479	Speaking of "which has never been subsequently verified"....
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29th April 2011, 02:54 PM	#10
Piscivore Smelling fishy Join Date: May 2004 Location: Home is wherever I'm with you Posts: 26,455	Originally Posted by michaelsuede I think if you were the Amish farmers, you would be terrorized by the FDA's actions. Hence, it is entirely appropriate to label the FDA as a terrorist organization. I had an insured that used the same logic to try and get his car fixed- he didn't mean to run his car without oil- in other words it "happened accidentally"- therefore his "accident" insurance should buy him a new engine. Didn't work for him, either. Of course, you'll probably tell me that insurance companies are terrorist socialist commie mafiosi just out to rob the poor, defenseless noble consumer and we'll all be the first against the wall when the revolution comes. How's that going, by the way? Lined up a bunch of new recruits with the name-calling and equivocation?
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29th April 2011, 02:55 PM	#11
michaelsuede Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,280	Originally Posted by Kid Eager Speaking of "which has never been subsequently verified".... I eagerly await your research demonstrating raw milk is bad for you. I'm sure the research will be paid for by some dairy conglomerate or other institution that operates at their behest.

29th April 2011, 02:56 PM	#12
michaelsuede Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,280	Originally Posted by Piscivore I had an insured that used the same logic to try and get his car fixed- he didn't mean to run his car without oil- in other words it "happened accidentally"- therefore his "accident" insurance should buy him a new engine. Didn't work for him, either. Of course, you'll probably tell me that insurance companies are terrorist socialist commie mafiosi just out to rob the poor, defenseless noble consumer and we'll all be the first against the wall when the revolution comes. How's that going, by the way? Lined up a bunch of new recruits with the name-calling and equivocation? I think insurance companies should take over our policing and court systems. They would do a better job of providing those services and they would do so based entirely on voluntary purchases rather than coercive theft. Insurance companies wouldn't be raiding Amish farmers at 5:00 AM for producing milk products.
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29th April 2011, 03:03 PM	#13
michaelsuede Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,280	Just thought I'd throw this out there in case people actually thought that having armed State agents terrorize Amish farmers was in their best interests. http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ma...w_milk/?page=2 Quote: SOME OF THE EVIDENCE WOULD SEEM TO back her up. The last cases of illness from raw milk recorded by the Massachusetts Department of Agricultural Resources occurred nine years ago, when 11 Boy Scouts visiting a farm became ill with salmonella after drinking raw milk; all recovered. Nationally, according to the Centers for Disease Control, from 1998 to 2005 there were 1,007 illnesses and two deaths from raw milk or cheese consumption - a tiny fraction of the estimated 76 million total cases of foodborne illnesses each year. And few foods are absolutely safe, including pasteurized milk. Massachusetts consumers found this out in December, when state public health officials revealed that three elderly men died from listeriosis they had contracted from pasteurized milk produced in Shrewsbury; a pregnant woman who contracted the illness had a miscarriage. Thank god the State is here to protect you from yourself.

29th April 2011, 03:03 PM	#14
The Shrike Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: USA Posts: 1,804	I never met an Amish dude who wasn't already up and at 'em at 5:00 am. Since when is it possible to wake a dairy farmer at 5? I also never met an Amish dude with a surveillance camera . . .

29th April 2011, 03:05 PM	#15
Kid Eager Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 3,479	Originally Posted by michaelsuede I eagerly await your research demonstrating raw milk is bad for you. I'm sure the research will be paid for by some dairy conglomerate or other institution that operates at their behest. Well in that case, I'm sure I can pre-emptively disregard any research that paints pasteurised milk in a positive light, and embrace only research that portrays that milk negatively. That will produce a balanced conclusion, I'm sure... Oh, wait... PS - It's been done to death on this forum previously. PPS - Feel free at any time to substantiate your claims in the OP re pasteurised milk.
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29th April 2011, 03:06 PM	#16
Piscivore Smelling fishy Join Date: May 2004 Location: Home is wherever I'm with you Posts: 26,455	Originally Posted by michaelsuede I think insurance companies should take over our policing and court systems. They would do a better job of providing those services and they would do so based entirely on voluntary purchases rather than coercive theft. That's funny, considering how many of my clients consider insurance "coercive theft". Quote: Insurance companies wouldn't be raiding Amish farmers at 5:00 AM for producing milk products. If it impinged on profitability, why wouldn't they? We do pursue frauds and insurance cheats already, you do realise? But I don't argue with fanatics. I'm just curious if this approach you've chosen is accomplishing your goals. Is it?
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29th April 2011, 03:06 PM	#17
michaelsuede Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,280	Originally Posted by The Shrike I never met an Amish dude who wasn't already up and at 'em at 5:00 am. Since when is it possible to wake a dairy farmer at 5? I also never met an Amish dude with a surveillance camera . . . The camera shot is from a raw food retail raid in a separate Stasi incident. It doesn't matter if the Amish get up at 3:00, 5:00, or high noon. Armed men barging on to your private property demanding to inspect everything is violation of human rights.

29th April 2011, 03:07 PM	#18
michaelsuede Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,280	Originally Posted by Piscivore That's funny, considering how many of my clients consider insurance "coercive theft". If it impinged on profitability, why wouldn't they? We do pursue frauds and insurance cheats already, you do realise? But I don't argue with fanatics. I'm just curious if this approach you've chosen is accomplishing your goals. Is it? Selling raw milk is not a fraud.

29th April 2011, 03:07 PM	#19
Piscivore Smelling fishy Join Date: May 2004 Location: Home is wherever I'm with you Posts: 26,455	Originally Posted by michaelsuede Selling raw milk is not a fraud. I don't argue with fanatics. I'm just curious if this hostile approach you've chosen is accomplishing your goals. Is it?
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29th April 2011, 03:08 PM	#20
Robin Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,541	Originally Posted by randman Obama and the dems have been seeking to go after the food supply for some time if you ask me. Just look at the legislation they have pushed. Can't have organic and free range, non-corporate farms. Gotta bring both the food supply and health-care under government and corporate control if you want to control people. Guns are still on their agenda as well. Just what I needed this morning. A loony right-wing conspiriacy theory. Perhaps you should email Donald Trump to run with this one as well.
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29th April 2011, 03:08 PM	#21
michaelsuede Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,280	Originally Posted by Kid Eager Well in that case, I'm sure I can pre-emptively disregard any research that paints pasteurised milk in a positive light, and embrace only research that portrays that milk negatively. That will produce a balanced conclusion, I'm sure... Oh, wait... PS - It's been done to death on this forum previously. PPS - Feel free at any time to substantiate your claims in the OP re pasteurised milk. I'm glad to see you are in agreement with spending my money on raiding Amish farmers. We are all safer and richer because of it. The Amish should be charged under the RICO act and thrown in prison for life.

29th April 2011, 03:09 PM	#22
michaelsuede Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,280	Originally Posted by Robin Just what I needed this morning. A loony right-wing conspiriacy theory. Perhaps you should email Donald Trump to run with this one as well. I really needed some leftwing pro-state propaganda that supports raids against Amish people with my tax dollars. Thanks for that.

29th April 2011, 03:11 PM	#23
AlaskaBushPilot Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,609	I expected the logic we see here - it's OK for the feds to waste all these resources treating this like a major crack cocaine investigation, with a pre-dawn storm trooper raid and all... because the fellow who posted it used "inflammatory language" instead of acting like a complacent, obedient servant. I took it as quite justifiable sarcasm, not hysteria. It is hard to believe the country has come this far downward from patriots who threw off tyrannical government to establish liberty for their progeny whilst uttering in all sincerity "give me liberty or give me death"... to progeny who attack people for saying far less than that.

29th April 2011, 03:14 PM	#25
sinclairmcevoy Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 8,027	Is selling the raw milk the problem or was it because they shipped it over State lines? I notice that the Police (terrorists) also set up drug dealers, some of whom produce a product that others are willing to consume at their own risk. What a country!
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29th April 2011, 03:14 PM	#26
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by randman Obama and the dems have been seeking to go after the food supply for some time if you ask me. Just look at the legislation they have pushed. Can't have organic and free range, non-corporate farms. Gotta bring both the food supply and health-care under government and corporate control if you want to control people. Guns are still on their agenda as well. Get a grip - people have been complaining about this for over a 100 years.

29th April 2011, 03:15 PM	#28
Piscivore Smelling fishy Join Date: May 2004 Location: Home is wherever I'm with you Posts: 26,455	Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot I expected the logic we see here - it's OK for the feds to waste all these resources treating this like a major crack cocaine investigation, with a pre-dawn storm trooper raid and all... because the fellow who posted it used "inflammatory language" instead of acting like a complacent, obedient servant. I took it as quite justifiable sarcasm, not hysteria. It is hard to believe the country has come this far downward from patriots who threw off tyrannical government to establish liberty for their progeny whilst uttering in all sincerity "give me liberty or give me death"... to progeny who attack people for saying far less than that. I think there are actually arguments to be made in favour of raw milk... I'd just prefer to discuss them with grown-ups that actually have arguments better than self-serving partisan sarcasm, hyperbole, and name-calling.
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29th April 2011, 03:16 PM	#29
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by sinclairmcevoy Is selling the raw milk the problem or was it because they shipped it over State lines? I notice that the Police (terrorists) also set up drug dealers, some of whom produce a product that others are willing to consume at their own risk. What a country! The State lines is an issue over shelf life

29th April 2011, 03:16 PM	#30
corbin Critical Thinker Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 396	What? You guys actually think the FDA should be protecting us from ourselves? Even if we assume that raw milk is dangerous, people should be allowed to make poor decisions. You cannot legislate intelligence from the top-down... you just end up with pesky government micromanagement of personal live choices and create the justification necessary for anti-competitive economic regulations. Making dangerous **** illegal also creates a black market (with all of its negative effects) because the demand is still there.
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29th April 2011, 03:17 PM	#31
michaelsuede Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,280	Originally Posted by Piscivore I think there are actually arguments to be made in favour of raw milk... I'd just prefer to discuss them with grown-ups that actually have arguments better than partisan self-serving sarcasm, hyperbole, and name-calling. I prefer to engage in name-calling and propaganda against those who seek to take money from me by force and use it to wage warfare against Amish people.

29th April 2011, 03:18 PM	#32
ideogram Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 465	Originally Posted by michaelsuede I prefer to engage in name-calling and propaganda against those who seek to take money from me by force and use it to wage warfare against Amish people. But then, you repeat yourself. And, of course you are such a friend to the Amish. You don't care about raw milk. You don't care about the Amish. You don't even care about making a coherent argument. You just want to whine and shout slogans and make as much noise as possible.
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29th April 2011, 03:19 PM	#33
Robin Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,541	Originally Posted by randman Obama and the dems have been seeking to go after the food supply for some time if you ask me. And according to the Washington Post article that particular raid occurred in 2008. Just shows hiow fiendish Obama and the Dems are, infiltrating the Republican party like that.
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29th April 2011, 03:20 PM	#34
michaelsuede Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,280	Originally Posted by ideogram But then, you repeat yourself. And, of course you are such a friend to the Amish. I like simple people that mind their own business and don't ask anything of anyone else. So yes, I would consider myself a friend of theirs.

29th April 2011, 03:23 PM	#35
michaelsuede Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,280	I would VOLUNTEER MY OWN MONEY to help people like this: http://reason.com/blog/2006/12/27/am...-accept-food-s Quote: This story from the Cleveland Plain Dealer is a couple of months old, but it's a fascinating example of how government tries to insist on "helping" people who are not so evidently in need of its "help." The Ohio Office of Family Stability is demanding that local welfare workers somehow get Amish people to sign up for food stamps. Why? Just because they are eligible on the basis of income. By refusing to sign up, the Amish are lowering the local food stamp participation rates which makes the agency look bad. That is how people SHOULD behave. If the Amish can make it without government assistance, I think the leeches of our society can make it just fine without government assistance. The State is a criminal organization of looting thieves.

29th April 2011, 03:24 PM	#36
ideogram Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 465	Originally Posted by michaelsuede I like simple people that mind their own business and don't ask anything of anyone else. So yes, I would consider myself a friend of theirs. I doubt they would consider you a friend. Why don't you ask them? Originally Posted by michaelsuede I would VOLUNTEER MY OWN MONEY to help people like this: Put up or shut up.
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29th April 2011, 03:27 PM	#39
michaelsuede Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,280	Originally Posted by Piscivore Is it working? Is the system crumbling in the face of your withering scorn? Are people flocking to the banner of your righteous anger? Do you have some other goal I haven't thought of that this behaviour is accomplishing for you? I think so.