India throwing out girls?!

mike3 · 4th May 2011, 03:50 AM

Hi.

I saw this:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110504/...r_little_girls

What do you think? What could be done about this problem?

Wudang · 4th May 2011, 04:10 AM

If you have the heart for it google "The dying rooms" to see a documentary on similar things in China. I'm not the most emotional of people but I wept watching it.

bignickel · 4th May 2011, 08:53 AM

I would think chucking out the whole dowry system would be a positive first step.

PhantomWolf · 4th May 2011, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by bignickel

I would think chucking out the whole dowry system would be a positive first step.

Or even better, reverse it. With the scarcity of girls, the boys should have to start paying the girl's family for the right to marry her. (Yes I know this raises certain issues too.)

rjh01 · 4th May 2011, 08:16 PM

If future, if you are a woman in China looking for a man to marry you will have a choice. Many men will never be able to find any woman to marry.

bignickel · 5th May 2011, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by rjh01

If future, if you are a woman in China looking for a man to marry you will have a choice. Many men will never be able to find any woman to marry.

Actually, I've heard that it's becoming the opposite: the women in China have even less choice. They end up marrying whichever man their family tells them to, based on how much money the man will pay the family / position / etc.

rjh01 · 5th May 2011, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by bignickel

Actually, I've heard that it's becoming the opposite: the women in China have even less choice. They end up marrying whichever man their family tells them to, based on how much money the man will pay the family / position / etc.

Ok, the families of females will have more choice. At least if the family of the man pays the family of the female a huge amount of money then at least the man has an incentive to look after the female.

Magyar · 5th May 2011, 05:00 PM

just another example of the evil that is religion.

geni · 5th May 2011, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Magyar

just another example of the evil that is religion.

More cultural than religion.

sylvan8798 · 5th May 2011, 05:59 PM

Population control - are people really doing a better job than nature did? What goes around will eventually come around.

http://www.amazon.com/Mothers-Ordeal...643842&sr=1-38

Susheel · 5th May 2011, 09:45 PM

I am an Indian and this is one of the things that makes me ashamed to be one. In India, women are seen as more of a burden. The extreme case is termination of pregnancies and abandonment at birth, but there are the more widespread and hidden technique. Arranged marriages with the first available bloke, who cares if she can get along with him or if he is a wife beater.

TriangleMan · 6th May 2011, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by PhantomWolf

Or even better, reverse it. With the scarcity of girls, the boys should have to start paying the girl's family for the right to marry her. (Yes I know this raises certain issues too.)

Unfortunately it does appear to be more a cultural issue than a religious one. Pakistan is a Muslim country and under Islam the groom pays a dowry (Mahr) to the bride. Despite this the gender ratio in Pakistan is still skewed, perhaps only slightly better than in India.

Great research paper on it here with excellent maps of region-by-region comparisons of Pakistan and India.

Eddie Dane · 6th May 2011, 06:03 AM

Add to that that many people in the third world now get access to cheap abortions and ways to know the gender of the baby.

Expect gender ratios to become much more imbalanced in the future.

rjh01 · 6th May 2011, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Eddie Dane

Add to that that many people in the third world now get access to cheap abortions and ways to know the gender of the baby.

Expect gender ratios to become much more imbalanced in the future.

This is a good and a bad thing.
Good - One form of birth control. The fewer females there are the fewer people who will be born in the next generation.
Bad - Men without wives may do things that are not of benefit to society.

shandyjan · 8th May 2011, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Wudang

If you have the heart for it google "The dying rooms" to see a documentary on similar things in China. I'm not the most emotional of people but I wept watching it.

I don't remember this, I couldnt watch, just reading the transcript was enough. Its stuck with me, disturbed me.
It still disturbes me becasue I know 15 years ago is nothing because these kind of things still go on! It's a sick world.

epepke · 8th May 2011, 05:01 PM

I want some Indian girls. Where do I sign up?

4th May 2011, 03:50 AM	#1
mike3 Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,944	India throwing out girls?! Hi. I saw this: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110504/...r_little_girls What do you think? What could be done about this problem?
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4th May 2011, 04:10 AM	#2
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4th May 2011, 08:53 AM	#3
bignickel Mad Mod Poet God Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,725	I would think chucking out the whole dowry system would be a positive first step.
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4th May 2011, 07:10 PM	#4
PhantomWolf Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lost Deimos Moon Base Posts: 9,952	Originally Posted by bignickel I would think chucking out the whole dowry system would be a positive first step. Or even better, reverse it. With the scarcity of girls, the boys should have to start paying the girl's family for the right to marry her. (Yes I know this raises certain issues too.)
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5th May 2011, 08:06 AM	#6
bignickel Mad Mod Poet God Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,725	Originally Posted by rjh01 If future, if you are a woman in China looking for a man to marry you will have a choice. Many men will never be able to find any woman to marry. Actually, I've heard that it's becoming the opposite: the women in China have even less choice. They end up marrying whichever man their family tells them to, based on how much money the man will pay the family / position / etc.
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4th May 2011, 08:16 PM	#5
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 17,188	If future, if you are a woman in China looking for a man to marry you will have a choice. Many men will never be able to find any woman to marry.

5th May 2011, 04:46 PM	#7
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 17,188	Originally Posted by bignickel Actually, I've heard that it's becoming the opposite: the women in China have even less choice. They end up marrying whichever man their family tells them to, based on how much money the man will pay the family / position / etc. Ok, the families of females will have more choice. At least if the family of the man pays the family of the female a huge amount of money then at least the man has an incentive to look after the female.

5th May 2011, 05:00 PM	#8
Magyar Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the edge of reason Posts: 1,546	just another example of the evil that is religion.
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5th May 2011, 05:46 PM	#9
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,570	Originally Posted by Magyar just another example of the evil that is religion. More cultural than religion.

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5th May 2011, 09:45 PM	#11
Susheel Muse Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 527	I am an Indian and this is one of the things that makes me ashamed to be one. In India, women are seen as more of a burden. The extreme case is termination of pregnancies and abandonment at birth, but there are the more widespread and hidden technique. Arranged marriages with the first available bloke, who cares if she can get along with him or if he is a wife beater.
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6th May 2011, 12:44 AM	#12
TriangleMan Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Qatar (ya rly!) Posts: 1,208	Originally Posted by PhantomWolf Or even better, reverse it. With the scarcity of girls, the boys should have to start paying the girl's family for the right to marry her. (Yes I know this raises certain issues too.) Unfortunately it does appear to be more a cultural issue than a religious one. Pakistan is a Muslim country and under Islam the groom pays a dowry (Mahr) to the bride. Despite this the gender ratio in Pakistan is still skewed, perhaps only slightly better than in India. Great research paper on it here with excellent maps of region-by-region comparisons of Pakistan and India.
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6th May 2011, 06:03 AM	#13
Eddie Dane Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,420	Add to that that many people in the third world now get access to cheap abortions and ways to know the gender of the baby. Expect gender ratios to become much more imbalanced in the future.

6th May 2011, 06:24 PM	#14
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 17,188	Originally Posted by Eddie Dane Add to that that many people in the third world now get access to cheap abortions and ways to know the gender of the baby. Expect gender ratios to become much more imbalanced in the future. This is a good and a bad thing. Good - One form of birth control. The fewer females there are the fewer people who will be born in the next generation. Bad - Men without wives may do things that are not of benefit to society.

8th May 2011, 04:20 PM	#15
shandyjan Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: N/W England Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by Wudang If you have the heart for it google "The dying rooms" to see a documentary on similar things in China. I'm not the most emotional of people but I wept watching it. I don't remember this, I couldnt watch, just reading the transcript was enough. Its stuck with me, disturbed me. It still disturbes me becasue I know 15 years ago is nothing because these kind of things still go on! It's a sick world.
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