Who was in the Bin Laden Compound?

Caper · 5th May 2011, 07:45 PM

Do we have a list of everyone living in Bin Laden? Who they were? Their ages? Their current status (ex. wouded, dead). Any of the young children Bin Laden's?

Thank you.

little grey rabbit · 5th May 2011, 10:27 PM

There was a Safia bin Laden aged 12 who the brave Navy Seals shot in the leg.

There are also two dead men - gruesome photos in this link
http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle28031.htm
You wonder if the water pistol under one of the shoulders - alongside computer cables - was not some Navy Seal joke. Sir, I had to shoot him - he was pointing a gun at me...ho ho ho.

dafydd · 6th May 2011, 04:43 AM

Who cares?

mushy · 6th May 2011, 04:46 AM

People who value life equally regardless of nationality care. You bigot.

Resume · 6th May 2011, 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by mushy

People who value life equally regardless of nationality care. You bigot.

I'm happy to learn you value the life of a mass murderer as your equal. And you have a poor understanding of the word bigot. It doesn't mean someone with an opinion you don't like or share.

twinstead · 6th May 2011, 04:50 AM

Originally Posted by little grey rabbit

There was a Safia bin Laden aged 12 who the brave Navy Seals shot in the leg.

There are also two dead men - gruesome photos in this link
http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle28031.htm
You wonder if the water pistol under one of the shoulders - alongside computer cables - was not some Navy Seal joke. Sir, I had to shoot him - he was pointing a gun at me...ho ho ho.

So exactly how do you suggest the operation should have been carried out? I realize that you and members of your delightful little cult don't even think OBL was guilty of anything, but all the rational people in the world recognized that he was one of the masterminds behind the worst terrorist attack in history.

Unless you think the 3000 people on 9-11 whom the brave "freedom fighters" killed that day had it coming.

mushy · 6th May 2011, 04:50 AM

I believe we were talking about women and children, not Bin Laden, so go troll somewhere else.

Resume · 6th May 2011, 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by mushy

I believe we were talking about women and children, not Bin Laden, so go troll somewhere else.

The women and children aboard those airplanes on 911 were deliberate targets. Talk about them a little why don't you.

twinstead · 6th May 2011, 04:54 AM

Why are we talking about them? It's sad, but It appears, like in all wars in the history of the Earth, that there may have been some innocents in the wrong place at the wrong time who were living with Bin Laden.

SatansMaleVoiceChoir · 6th May 2011, 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by little grey rabbit

There was a Safia bin Laden aged 12 who the brave Navy Seals shot in the leg.

No they didn't:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...27#post7156027

That's a link to a post YOU made showing that they didn't. I note you have been in no hurry to come back here and correct yourself.

Resume · 6th May 2011, 04:56 AM

Originally Posted by twinstead

Why are we talking about them? It's sad, but It appears, like in all wars in the history of the Earth, that there may have been some innocents in the wrong place at the wrong time who were living with Bin Laden.

Maybe as the most wanted terrorist in the world he shouldn't have put his family in harms way. Then again, time and again radical jihadists have told us there are no innocents, especially among the kaffir.

mushy · 6th May 2011, 04:57 AM

Originally Posted by Resume

The women and children aboard those airplanes on 911 were deliberate targets. Talk about them a little why don't you.

Thats the point though. People never stop talking about them, people feel sorry for them all the time. Why cant we feel sorry for the innocent muslims without being called an Bin Laden supporter?

SatansMaleVoiceChoir · 6th May 2011, 05:03 AM

'Meh', sums up the total feeling of sorrow I have for the damage to OBL's daughter's ankle. This is probably 1000000 x the amount of sorrow that OBL felt for the children killed by/affected as a result of his sanctioning the 9/11 attacks.

Resume · 6th May 2011, 05:03 AM

Originally Posted by mushy

Thats the point though. People never stop talking about them, people feel sorry for them all the time. Why cant we feel sorry for the innocent muslims without being called an Bin Laden supporter?

In this case they were with a man who was fated to die the way he did. As a father, had I chose this path, I wouldn't be spending very much time with my family knowing my acts were going to catch up with me. I wouldn't want the war I chose to fall on them.

It's terrible when innocents die in these conflicts, but it happens. And if you don't think Americans feel remorse when these deaths occur, your head is buried in the sand, or you just have an agenda.

BCR · 6th May 2011, 05:09 AM

Look, I am one of those 'evil' Republicans who voted for both Bushs twice. I actively supported both wars and was proud that my oldest son signed up after 9/11 to serve (Iraq). I also have no issues with Gitmo, 'secret detention' or 'enhanced' interrogation.

I do however take issue of the assassination of an unarmed man, regardless of who he may be. Especially in front of his wife and children. This is a war of ideology, and I don't believe taking out OBL in this manner was appropriate. Although, I was one of those who cheered at the news he was no longer walking the planet among us.

twinstead · 6th May 2011, 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by BCR

Look, I am one of those 'evil' Republicans who voted for both Bushs twice. I actively supported both wars and was proud that my oldest son signed up after 9/11 to serve (Iraq). I also have no issues with Gitmo, 'secret detention' or 'enhanced' interrogation.

I do however take issue of the assassination of an unarmed man, regardless of who he may be. Especially in front of his wife and children. This is a war of ideology, and I don't believe taking out OBL in this manner was appropriate. Although, I was one of those who cheered at the news he was no longer walking the planet among us.

Then what manner would have been appropriate? I think that ANY opportunity to take him out needed to be seized upon. How many chances do you think we had?

mushy · 6th May 2011, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by Resume

In this case they were with a man who was fated to die the way he did. As a father, had I chose this path, I wouldn't be spending very much time with my family knowing my acts were going to catch up with me. I wouldn't want the war I chose to fall on them.

It's terrible when innocents die in these conflicts, but it happens. And if you don't think Americans feel remorse when these deaths occur, your head is buried in the sand, or you just have an agenda.

We agree its sad that innocent children and women, who obviously didnt have a choice to be there were injured. Thats all i said, whats the problem?

SatansMaleVoiceChoir · 6th May 2011, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by twinstead

Then what manner would have been appropriate? I think that ANY opportunity to take him out needed to be seized upon. How many chances do you think we had?

Recent revision of the events of the day now indicate that he COULD have been taken alive.

Anders Lindman · 6th May 2011, 05:16 AM

In a Swedish tabloid newspaper, they wrote that one of Osama's daughters saw her father being taken away alive to be executed!

One curious thing is that when I went to the newspaper's (Expressen) website, they had replaced the article. It was a huge article covering several pages in the newspaper version. Unfortunately I didn't buy that newspaper that day (one or two days ago).

Resume · 6th May 2011, 05:18 AM

Originally Posted by mushy

We agree its sad that innocent children and women, who obviously didnt have a choice to be there were injured. Thats all i said, whats the problem?

Bin Laden made that choice for them.

mushy · 6th May 2011, 05:21 AM

Originally Posted by Resume

Bin Laden made that choice for them.

Exactly, it wasn't their choice. So we should feel sorry for them.

triforcharity · 6th May 2011, 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by mushy

Thats the point though. People never stop talking about them, people feel sorry for them all the time. Why cant we feel sorry for the innocent muslims without being called an Bin Laden supporter?

Yes, the children are in fact innocent, I agree. However, anyone else in that compound, is guilty of helping hide bin Laden, and I have no sympathy for them.

Muslim or not, my sympathy can be found in the dictionary between **** and syphilis.

twinstead · 6th May 2011, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by mushy

Exactly, it wasn't their choice. So we should feel sorry for them.

I don't think you'll find many people who don't agree with you, but the fact that those innocents were in there shouldn't have prevented us from taking the opportunity to kill Bin Laden.

Resume · 6th May 2011, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by mushy

Exactly, it wasn't their choice. So we should feel sorry for them.

Sure, but not to the point where hand-wringing might deter a mission that took out the world's worst terrorist.

SatansMaleVoiceChoir · 6th May 2011, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by twinstead

I don't think you'll find many people who don't agree with you, but the fact that those innocents were in there shouldn't have prevented us from taking the opportunity to kill Bin Laden.

Or perhaps capturing him ALIVE maybe?

I mean; this WAS an option, wasn't it?

twinstead · 6th May 2011, 05:28 AM

Originally Posted by Resume

Sure, but not to the point where hand-wringing might deter a mission that took out the world's worst terrorist.

I will guarantee that the chance there might be innocents at the wrong place and time will not deter the next Al Queda mission one iota.

mushy · 6th May 2011, 05:28 AM

Where did i say the mission should not have gone ahead? I was simply feeling sorry for the innocent people that got hurt.

twinstead · 6th May 2011, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by SatansMaleVoiceChoir

Or perhaps capturing him ALIVE maybe?

I mean; this WAS an option, wasn't it?

You don't know if it was an option or not; neither one of us was there.

dtugg · 6th May 2011, 05:29 AM

I feel sorry for Osama's daughter and any other kids there. It must have been pretty traumatic. That they experienced it most certainly Osama's fault though. If I was the most wanted man in the world I most certainly would not be hiding out with children.

Any adults there, **** them. The SEALs could have killed every single one of them for all I care.

mushy · 6th May 2011, 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by SatansMaleVoiceChoir

Or perhaps capturing him ALIVE maybe?

I mean; this WAS an option, wasn't it?

It was, but he resisted without a weapon. There was only 40 highly trained Navy Seals. They had to shoot him.

Why didn't they just shoot suddam when they caught him? Do you think the orders were to take him alive if they had the choice, but some meat head wanted the bragging rights of killing him?

twinstead · 6th May 2011, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by mushy

Where did i say the mission should not have gone ahead? I was simply feeling sorry for the innocent people that got hurt.

Yea, that's a given. Any normal person would feel sorry for them. IMO that's a given. I think our responses simply mean we are trying to figure out your point. If that's the extent of your point, then point taken. On to the next thread.

twinstead · 6th May 2011, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by mushy

It was, but he resisted without a weapon. There was only 40 highly trained Navy Seals. They had to shoot him.

You weren't there.

mushy · 6th May 2011, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by twinstead

Yea, that's a given. Any normal person would feel sorry for them. IMO that's a given. I think our responses simply mean we are trying to figure out your point. If that's the extent of your point, then point taken. On to the next thread.

Dafydd obviously didn't care. His response of "Who cares" to news that the 12 year old girl got injured was very distastefull.

BCR · 6th May 2011, 05:34 AM

Twinstead, we had the opportunity to capture the guy. I an not comfortable with the 'death squad' approach to 'justice'.

mushy · 6th May 2011, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by twinstead

You weren't there.

Wasnt that what the reports said? He was in a room unarmed, using a woman as a human shield. They shot the woman and killed him? If i'm wrong about the reports correct me.

Anders Lindman · 6th May 2011, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by dtugg

I feel sorry for Osama's daughter and any other kids there. It must have been pretty traumatic. That they experienced it most certainly Osama's fault though. If I was the most wanted man in the world I most certainly would not be hiding out with children.

Any adults there, **** them. The SEALs could have killed every single one of them for all I care.

I see you have a Glock G18 in you avatar. I prefer a plastic Glock that I can bring through the security check at airports. Just kidding!!!

SatansMaleVoiceChoir · 6th May 2011, 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by twinstead

You don't know if it was an option or not; neither one of us was there.

No, this is true, but I find it very interesting that:

He was shot in the head with apparently only one round which suggests an extremely close range, fairly stationary target, given that (British) soldiers (SF or otherwise) are trained to shoot at the centre of an observed mass to maximise chance of a hit. Am I to believe that American SF Troops are trained to pull off clean head-shots on a moving target from across a room? If they're that GOOD then why DIDN'T they shoot to wound? What are the alternatives?

A group of American SF troops surrounding him were worried that a less-than-sprightly old man might 'outdraw' them, or get to a weapon before they could stop him. Bearing in mind he was unarmed, so the weapon was not on his person.

I also find it interesting that you think the only opportunity to 'apprehend' OBL was by killing him...

Resume · 6th May 2011, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

I see you have a Glock G18 in you avatar. I prefer a plastic Glock that I can bring through the security check at airports. Just kidding!!!

Make that joke at an airport; they'll find it hysterical.

Resume · 6th May 2011, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by SatansMaleVoiceChoir

No, this is true, but I find it very interesting that:

He was shot in the head with apparently only one round which suggests an extremely close range, fairly stationary target, given that (British) soldiers (SF or otherwise) are trained to shoot at the centre of an observed mass to maximise chance of a hit. Am I to believe that American SF Troops are trained to pull off clean head-shots on a moving target from across a room? If they're that GOOD then why DIDN'T they shoot to wound? What are the alternatives?

A group of American SF troops surrounding him were worried that a less-than-sprightly old man might 'outdraw' them, or get to a weapon before they could stop him. Bearing in mind he was unarmed, so the weapon was not on his person.

I also find it interesting that you think the only opportunity to 'apprehend' OBL was by killing him...

That's the kind of thing that happens in battle. Plus, we don't truly know the entire story. For myself and myself only, don't care at all about what happened to OBL.

dtugg · 6th May 2011, 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

I see you have a Glock G18 in you avatar. I prefer a plastic Glock that I can bring through the security check at airports. Just kidding!!!

That's not a Glock 18. Fully automatic handguns are impractical and civilians can't get Glock 18s in the US anyway. I would love to see you try to take one through security at an airport. They are 80% metal by mass.

5th May 2011, 07:45 PM	#1
Caper Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,946	Who was in the Bin Laden Compound? Do we have a list of everyone living in Bin Laden? Who they were? Their ages? Their current status (ex. wouded, dead). Any of the young children Bin Laden's? Thank you.
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6th May 2011, 04:46 AM	#4
mushy Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 626	People who value life equally regardless of nationality care. You bigot.
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6th May 2011, 04:49 AM	#5
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,015	Originally Posted by mushy People who value life equally regardless of nationality care. You bigot. I'm happy to learn you value the life of a mass murderer as your equal. And you have a poor understanding of the word bigot. It doesn't mean someone with an opinion you don't like or share.
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6th May 2011, 04:50 AM	#6
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,572	Originally Posted by little grey rabbit There was a Safia bin Laden aged 12 who the brave Navy Seals shot in the leg. There are also two dead men - gruesome photos in this link http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle28031.htm You wonder if the water pistol under one of the shoulders - alongside computer cables - was not some Navy Seal joke. Sir, I had to shoot him - he was pointing a gun at me...ho ho ho. So exactly how do you suggest the operation should have been carried out? I realize that you and members of your delightful little cult don't even think OBL was guilty of anything, but all the rational people in the world recognized that he was one of the masterminds behind the worst terrorist attack in history. Unless you think the 3000 people on 9-11 whom the brave "freedom fighters" killed that day had it coming.
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6th May 2011, 04:50 AM	#7
mushy Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 626	I believe we were talking about women and children, not Bin Laden, so go troll somewhere else.
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5th May 2011, 10:27 PM	#2
little grey rabbit Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,167	There was a Safia bin Laden aged 12 who the brave Navy Seals shot in the leg. There are also two dead men - gruesome photos in this link http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle28031.htm You wonder if the water pistol under one of the shoulders - alongside computer cables - was not some Navy Seal joke. Sir, I had to shoot him - he was pointing a gun at me...ho ho ho.

6th May 2011, 04:43 AM	#3
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,444	Who cares?

6th May 2011, 04:54 AM	#8
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,015	Originally Posted by mushy I believe we were talking about women and children, not Bin Laden, so go troll somewhere else. The women and children aboard those airplanes on 911 were deliberate targets. Talk about them a little why don't you.
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6th May 2011, 04:55 AM	#10
SatansMaleVoiceChoir Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,300	Originally Posted by little grey rabbit There was a Safia bin Laden aged 12 who the brave Navy Seals shot in the leg. No they didn't: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...27#post7156027 That's a link to a post YOU made showing that they didn't. I note you have been in no hurry to come back here and correct yourself.
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6th May 2011, 04:56 AM	#11
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,015	Originally Posted by twinstead Why are we talking about them? It's sad, but It appears, like in all wars in the history of the Earth, that there may have been some innocents in the wrong place at the wrong time who were living with Bin Laden. Maybe as the most wanted terrorist in the world he shouldn't have put his family in harms way. Then again, time and again radical jihadists have told us there are no innocents, especially among the kaffir.
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6th May 2011, 04:57 AM	#12
mushy Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 626	Originally Posted by Resume The women and children aboard those airplanes on 911 were deliberate targets. Talk about them a little why don't you. Thats the point though. People never stop talking about them, people feel sorry for them all the time. Why cant we feel sorry for the innocent muslims without being called an Bin Laden supporter?
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6th May 2011, 05:03 AM	#13
SatansMaleVoiceChoir Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,300	'Meh', sums up the total feeling of sorrow I have for the damage to OBL's daughter's ankle. This is probably 1000000 x the amount of sorrow that OBL felt for the children killed by/affected as a result of his sanctioning the 9/11 attacks.
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6th May 2011, 05:03 AM	#14
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,015	Originally Posted by mushy Thats the point though. People never stop talking about them, people feel sorry for them all the time. Why cant we feel sorry for the innocent muslims without being called an Bin Laden supporter? In this case they were with a man who was fated to die the way he did. As a father, had I chose this path, I wouldn't be spending very much time with my family knowing my acts were going to catch up with me. I wouldn't want the war I chose to fall on them. It's terrible when innocents die in these conflicts, but it happens. And if you don't think Americans feel remorse when these deaths occur, your head is buried in the sand, or you just have an agenda.
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6th May 2011, 05:09 AM	#15
BCR Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Memphis Posts: 2,239	Look, I am one of those 'evil' Republicans who voted for both Bushs twice. I actively supported both wars and was proud that my oldest son signed up after 9/11 to serve (Iraq). I also have no issues with Gitmo, 'secret detention' or 'enhanced' interrogation. I do however take issue of the assassination of an unarmed man, regardless of who he may be. Especially in front of his wife and children. This is a war of ideology, and I don't believe taking out OBL in this manner was appropriate. Although, I was one of those who cheered at the news he was no longer walking the planet among us.
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6th May 2011, 05:12 AM	#16
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,572	Originally Posted by BCR Look, I am one of those 'evil' Republicans who voted for both Bushs twice. I actively supported both wars and was proud that my oldest son signed up after 9/11 to serve (Iraq). I also have no issues with Gitmo, 'secret detention' or 'enhanced' interrogation. I do however take issue of the assassination of an unarmed man, regardless of who he may be. Especially in front of his wife and children. This is a war of ideology, and I don't believe taking out OBL in this manner was appropriate. Although, I was one of those who cheered at the news he was no longer walking the planet among us. Then what manner would have been appropriate? I think that ANY opportunity to take him out needed to be seized upon. How many chances do you think we had?
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6th May 2011, 05:15 AM	#17
mushy Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 626	Originally Posted by Resume In this case they were with a man who was fated to die the way he did. As a father, had I chose this path, I wouldn't be spending very much time with my family knowing my acts were going to catch up with me. I wouldn't want the war I chose to fall on them. It's terrible when innocents die in these conflicts, but it happens. And if you don't think Americans feel remorse when these deaths occur, your head is buried in the sand, or you just have an agenda. We agree its sad that innocent children and women, who obviously didnt have a choice to be there were injured. Thats all i said, whats the problem?
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6th May 2011, 05:15 AM	#18
SatansMaleVoiceChoir Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,300	Originally Posted by twinstead Then what manner would have been appropriate? I think that ANY opportunity to take him out needed to be seized upon. How many chances do you think we had? Recent revision of the events of the day now indicate that he COULD have been taken alive.
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6th May 2011, 05:16 AM	#19
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,289	In a Swedish tabloid newspaper, they wrote that one of Osama's daughters saw her father being taken away alive to be executed! One curious thing is that when I went to the newspaper's (Expressen) website, they had replaced the article. It was a huge article covering several pages in the newspaper version. Unfortunately I didn't buy that newspaper that day (one or two days ago).

6th May 2011, 05:18 AM	#20
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,015	Originally Posted by mushy We agree its sad that innocent children and women, who obviously didnt have a choice to be there were injured. Thats all i said, whats the problem? Bin Laden made that choice for them.
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6th May 2011, 05:21 AM	#21
mushy Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 626	Originally Posted by Resume Bin Laden made that choice for them. Exactly, it wasn't their choice. So we should feel sorry for them.
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6th May 2011, 05:22 AM	#22
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,117	Originally Posted by mushy Thats the point though. People never stop talking about them, people feel sorry for them all the time. Why cant we feel sorry for the innocent muslims without being called an Bin Laden supporter? Yes, the children are in fact innocent, I agree. However, anyone else in that compound, is guilty of helping hide bin Laden, and I have no sympathy for them. Muslim or not, my sympathy can be found in the dictionary between **** and syphilis.
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6th May 2011, 05:24 AM	#23
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,572	Originally Posted by mushy Exactly, it wasn't their choice. So we should feel sorry for them. I don't think you'll find many people who don't agree with you, but the fact that those innocents were in there shouldn't have prevented us from taking the opportunity to kill Bin Laden.
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6th May 2011, 05:26 AM	#24
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,015	Originally Posted by mushy Exactly, it wasn't their choice. So we should feel sorry for them. Sure, but not to the point where hand-wringing might deter a mission that took out the world's worst terrorist.
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6th May 2011, 05:27 AM	#25
SatansMaleVoiceChoir Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,300	Originally Posted by twinstead I don't think you'll find many people who don't agree with you, but the fact that those innocents were in there shouldn't have prevented us from taking the opportunity to kill Bin Laden. Or perhaps capturing him ALIVE maybe? I mean; this WAS an option, wasn't it?
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6th May 2011, 05:28 AM	#26
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,572	Originally Posted by Resume Sure, but not to the point where hand-wringing might deter a mission that took out the world's worst terrorist. I will guarantee that the chance there might be innocents at the wrong place and time will not deter the next Al Queda mission one iota.
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6th May 2011, 05:29 AM	#28
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,572	Originally Posted by SatansMaleVoiceChoir Or perhaps capturing him ALIVE maybe? I mean; this WAS an option, wasn't it? You don't know if it was an option or not; neither one of us was there.
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6th May 2011, 05:29 AM	#29
dtugg Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NWO headquarters Posts: 7,898	I feel sorry for Osama's daughter and any other kids there. It must have been pretty traumatic. That they experienced it most certainly Osama's fault though. If I was the most wanted man in the world I most certainly would not be hiding out with children. Any adults there, **** them. The SEALs could have killed every single one of them for all I care.

6th May 2011, 05:30 AM	#30
mushy Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 626	Originally Posted by SatansMaleVoiceChoir Or perhaps capturing him ALIVE maybe? I mean; this WAS an option, wasn't it? It was, but he resisted without a weapon. There was only 40 highly trained Navy Seals. They had to shoot him. Why didn't they just shoot suddam when they caught him? Do you think the orders were to take him alive if they had the choice, but some meat head wanted the bragging rights of killing him?
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6th May 2011, 05:31 AM	#31
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,572	Originally Posted by mushy Where did i say the mission should not have gone ahead? I was simply feeling sorry for the innocent people that got hurt. Yea, that's a given. Any normal person would feel sorry for them. IMO that's a given. I think our responses simply mean we are trying to figure out your point. If that's the extent of your point, then point taken. On to the next thread.
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6th May 2011, 05:33 AM	#32
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,572	Originally Posted by mushy It was, but he resisted without a weapon. There was only 40 highly trained Navy Seals. They had to shoot him. You weren't there.
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6th May 2011, 05:33 AM	#33
mushy Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 626	Originally Posted by twinstead Yea, that's a given. Any normal person would feel sorry for them. IMO that's a given. I think our responses simply mean we are trying to figure out your point. If that's the extent of your point, then point taken. On to the next thread. Dafydd obviously didn't care. His response of "Who cares" to news that the 12 year old girl got injured was very distastefull.
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6th May 2011, 05:34 AM	#34
BCR Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Memphis Posts: 2,239	Twinstead, we had the opportunity to capture the guy. I an not comfortable with the 'death squad' approach to 'justice'.
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6th May 2011, 05:36 AM	#35
mushy Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 626	Originally Posted by twinstead You weren't there. Wasnt that what the reports said? He was in a room unarmed, using a woman as a human shield. They shot the woman and killed him? If i'm wrong about the reports correct me.
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6th May 2011, 05:36 AM	#36
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,289	Originally Posted by dtugg I feel sorry for Osama's daughter and any other kids there. It must have been pretty traumatic. That they experienced it most certainly Osama's fault though. If I was the most wanted man in the world I most certainly would not be hiding out with children. Any adults there, **** them. The SEALs could have killed every single one of them for all I care. I see you have a Glock G18 in you avatar. I prefer a plastic Glock that I can bring through the security check at airports. Just kidding!!!

6th May 2011, 05:40 AM	#37
SatansMaleVoiceChoir Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,300	Originally Posted by twinstead You don't know if it was an option or not; neither one of us was there. No, this is true, but I find it very interesting that: He was shot in the head with apparently only one round which suggests an extremely close range, fairly stationary target, given that (British) soldiers (SF or otherwise) are trained to shoot at the centre of an observed mass to maximise chance of a hit. Am I to believe that American SF Troops are trained to pull off clean head-shots on a moving target from across a room? If they're that GOOD then why DIDN'T they shoot to wound? What are the alternatives? A group of American SF troops surrounding him were worried that a less-than-sprightly old man might 'outdraw' them, or get to a weapon before they could stop him. Bearing in mind he was unarmed, so the weapon was not on his person. I also find it interesting that you think the only opportunity to 'apprehend' OBL was by killing him...
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