Morgellons The Mystery Illness Sweeping the Internet

andyandy · 7th May 2011, 03:52 PM

I thought this was a really interesting article looking at patients struggling to cope with a condition scientists believe is either psychosomatic or (inadvertently) self induced.....

http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gnm/op/...&cat=most-read

andyandy · 7th May 2011, 03:53 PM

From the story.....

Quote:

Morgellons was named in 2001 by an American called Mary Leitao, whose son complained of sores around his mouth and the sensation of "bugs". Examining him with a toy microscope, Leitao found him to be covered in unexplained red, blue, black and white fibres. Since then, workers at her Morgellons Research Foundation say they have been contacted by more than 12,000 affected families. Campaign group the Charles E Holman Foundation states there are sufferers in "every continent except Antarctica". Thousands have written to Congress demanding action. In response, more than 40 senators, including Hillary Clinton, John McCain and a*pre-presidential Barack Obama, pressured the Centres For Disease Control And Prevention (CDC) to investigate; in 2006, it formed a special taskforce, setting aside $1m to study the condition. Sufferers include folk singer Joni Mitchell, who has complained of "this weird incurable disease that seems like it's from outer space... Fibres in a variety of colours protrude out of my skin: they cannot be forensically identified as animal, vegetable or mineral. Morgellons is a*slow, unpredictable killer – a*terrorist disease. It will blow up one of your organs, leaving you in bed for a year."
So it's new, frightening and profoundly odd. But if you were to seek the view of the medical establishment, you'd find the strangest fact about this disease: morgellons doesn't exist.

Lisa Simpson · 7th May 2011, 03:58 PM

Eh...it's been around a while. SBM just had an article about it:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=12499

andyandy · 7th May 2011, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson

Eh...it's been around a while. SBM just had an article about it:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=12499

Well it's only just made the guardian so I've only just heard of it

As an aside I defy anyone to read the article and not start to feel a bit itchy....

Emet · 7th May 2011, 04:46 PM

They have a non-profit foundation:

http://www.morgellons.org/index.html

I looked up their most currently available 990 on GuideStar.
They had $9350 in revenue for 2008.

Travis · 7th May 2011, 05:06 PM

So what is the deal with the fibers under the skin then? Are these normally present and most people just don't notice them?

shandyjan · 7th May 2011, 05:07 PM

All very strange. And I could understand an itch condition undiagnosed, that then causes a psychiatric disorder.
But it went into bigfoot and alien territory when the fibres tested ame back as unknown..and it was never disclosed what they were, just to keep a myth alive perhaps?

The_Animus · 7th May 2011, 05:11 PM

Must be the alien anal probes implanting it in people. It's passed on to the next generation and takes a couple generations to mature and start showing signs

Skeptic Ginger · 7th May 2011, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by andyandy

Well it's only just made the guardian so I've only just heard of it

As an aside I defy anyone to read the article and not start to feel a bit itchy....

It's like the aspartame myth, it goes around, fades away then reappears and repeats the cycle.

Kevin_Lowe · 7th May 2011, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Travis

So what is the deal with the fibers under the skin then? Are these normally present and most people just don't notice them?

It's just ordinary fluff embedded in the scabs caused by their scratching.

geni · 7th May 2011, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Travis

So what is the deal with the fibers under the skin then? Are these normally present and most people just don't notice them?

In most cases they probably don't exist. Where they do things like clothing are considered the most likely source.

Bruce Voigt · 7th May 2011, 05:41 PM

Morgellons Disease is described as pimples of the skin containing a string or fibre material which is of plant origin. Victims complain of a cobweb like feeling through out the body. Until recently these people have been shuffled off to dermatologists and then to psychotherapy.

Morgellons Disease is described as pimples of the skin containing a string or fibre material which is of plant origin. Victims complain of a cobweb like feeling through out the body. Until recently these people have been shuffled off to dermatologists and then to psychotherapy. Lime disease is another.

Remember now, we produce such things as bed mites! (All life produces life)

Lets just hope the bed mite doesn't evolve into a species (the likes of the pine beetle) that would be requiring a little flesh with its meal of skin!
Bedbugs spreading across Vancouver. Hmmmmmmmmmm

Morgellons disease, flesh eating disease, SARS etc are things that should seriously and thoroughly be investigated.

ThunderChunky · 7th May 2011, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by The_Animus

Must be the alien anal probes implanting it in people. It's passed on to the next generation and takes a couple generations to mature and start showing signs

Nah man. It's the chem trails.

casebro · 7th May 2011, 07:01 PM

From the last thread on this subject, I believe Kaiser HMO is doing a study.

My guess is that lint and maybe fungal tendrils account for the fibers, the rest is psychosomatic.

MG1962 · 7th May 2011, 07:15 PM

Great I just read it's contagious

Emet · 7th May 2011, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by casebro

From the last thread on this subject, I believe Kaiser HMO is doing a study.

They did (apparently past tense). From the CDC:

Quote:

What is the current status of the study?

We recently completed the data analysis. A final report has been submitted for publication in a peer-reviewed scientific journal.

My Google fu failed me--I couldn't find it.

Quote:

Why did CDC select Kaiser Permanente Northern California as the partner for the study?

http://www.cdc.gov/unexplaineddermop...stigation.html

AdMan · 7th May 2011, 08:28 PM

Yep--it's been around for a while.

A search for Morgellons in the forum yields a number of threads, some from as far back as 2008.

It's an interesting phenomenon, whatever it is.

If you want to read about one theory, check out skeptic novelist Scott Sigler's Infected.

Beerina · 7th May 2011, 09:29 PM

"plant fibers" = cotton = fuzz stuck in a dried-out sore

AdMan · 7th May 2011, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Beerina

"plant fibers" = cotton = fuzz stuck in a dried-out sore

That's likely all it is--coupled with a variety of other vague symptoms--but what's interesting is the complexity that's emerged around such simple phenomena.

It says a lot about human minds.

Skeptic Ginger · 7th May 2011, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by Bruce Voigt

Morgellons Disease is ... are things that should seriously and thoroughly be investigated.

What makes you think it hasn't been?

Dancing David · 8th May 2011, 04:23 AM

I believe the sensations ar emost likely present and the sores, but the firber thing is ... welll ... unsubstantiated.

Mongrel · 8th May 2011, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by AdMan

That's likely all it is--coupled with a variety of other vague symptoms--but what's interesting is the complexity that's emerged around such simple phenomena.

It says a lot about human minds.

The internet is also to 'blame' for this, it's so much easier to propagate a wrong idea nowadays

fls · 8th May 2011, 02:28 PM

This is interesting to me because I cared for people with this problem (before there was "Morgellon's disease" or the Internet). It has been interesting to watch the process of disease creation from its beginnings.

Linda

tyr_13 · 8th May 2011, 04:17 PM

I believe Skeptoid did an article on it. Last time I read into it, it seemed to be pretty closely tied to the chem trail CT.

MatildaGage · 8th May 2011, 04:28 PM

Are you guys saying this is actually not a joke?

I've been hearing it for years but I always thought it was intended to be a joke. Even if you go to their forum it appears to be a joke. That Guardian story obviously intends for it to be a joke, right?

Quote:

So far, the laboratory has found Wymore's various morgellons fibres to be: nylon; cotton; a blond human hair; a fungal fibre; a rodent hair; and down, most likely from geese or ducks.

AnnoyingPony · 8th May 2011, 04:59 PM

"Morgellons" sufferers tend to say that chemtrails did it, and that the medical establishment is ignoring them. Typical CT statements. They probably suffer from mental symptoms.

EDIT: Case in point... (link)

Emet · 8th May 2011, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by imagineaa

Are you guys saying this is actually not a joke?

I've been hearing it for years but I always thought it was intended to be a joke.

Not a joke. Did you see the CDC, SBM, and Foundation links?

quadraginta · 8th May 2011, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by AnnoyingPony

"Morgellons" sufferers tend to say that chemtrails did it, and that the medical establishment is ignoring them. Typical CT statements. They probably suffer from mental symptoms.

EDIT: Case in point... (link)

People who think like that are scary.

(I just wish there weren't so many of them.)

Skeptic Ginger · 8th May 2011, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by AnnoyingPony

"Morgellons" sufferers tend to say that chemtrails did it, and that the medical establishment is ignoring them. Typical CT statements. They probably suffer from mental symptoms.

EDIT: Case in point... (link)

People convinced of some of these syndromes appear to be under at least some delusion (typically there is no consistent clinical picture suggesting that whatever is going on, the named entities people latch on to are not necessarily the disgnosis). However, just because some people suffer psychosomatic illness does not mean it always turns out the be the case. There have been many entities which a diagnosis was eventually found that perhaps a person's symptoms were initially incorrectly dismissed as psychosomatic.

One thing is clear with Morgellon's, fibers made of artificial materials are not crawling out of people's skin. There is simply no physiological basis for such occurrences.

Intense itching can be psychosomatic, but it can also have a real physiological basis. And it is possible (and likely) the syndrome represents multiple different etiologies.

With skin biopsies and modern instrumentation to examine the findings, it is unlikely any parasites have been missed. Keep in mind the pictures on the Morgellon's Foundation web page are misleading, out of context, and not good science. But whether everyone with the symptoms they believe are Morgellon's are psychosomatic remains to be seen.

MatildaGage · 9th May 2011, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Emet

Not a joke. Did you see the CDC, SBM, and Foundation links?

I remember seeing a CDC article a long time ago, but I just figured they were trying to debunk something a few delusional people were claiming. I thought a few delusional people picked up on an Internet joke.

Emet · 9th May 2011, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by imagineaa

I remember seeing a CDC article a long time ago, but I just figured they were trying to debunk something a few delusional people were claiming. I thought a few delusional people picked up on an Internet joke.

Okay.

So have you decided on a new username yet?

Dancing David · 10th May 2011, 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by imagineaa

I remember seeing a CDC article a long time ago, but I just figured they were trying to debunk something a few delusional people were claiming. I thought a few delusional people picked up on an Internet joke.

It is now tenetavly labelled as 'delusional infestation' by one source I read, I am also curious how many have current akesthesia caused by anti-psychotics. I know of one client whose skins sensations were well treated by Clozaril.

Furcifer · 10th May 2011, 06:09 AM

Every few days a heard gathers in my belly button.

Scott Haley · 10th May 2011, 06:48 AM

I found an article about this called "Old Plaque, New Disease". I love that. http://www.thenhf.com/article.php?id=472

Bruce Voigt · 10th May 2011, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by Bruce Voigt

Morgellons Disease is described as pimples of the skin containing a string or fibre material which is of plant origin. Victims complain of a cobweb like feeling through out the body. Until recently these people have been shuffled off to dermatologists and then to psychotherapy.

Morgellons Disease is described as pimples of the skin containing a string or fibre material which is of plant origin. Victims complain of a cobweb like feeling through out the body. Until recently these people have been shuffled off to dermatologists and then to psychotherapy. Lime disease is another.

Remember now, we produce such things as bed mites! (All life produces life)

Lets just hope the bed mite doesn't evolve into a species (the likes of the pine beetle) that would be requiring a little flesh with its meal of skin!
Bedbugs spreading across Vancouver. Hmmmmmmmmmm

Morgellons disease, flesh eating disease, SARS etc are things that should seriously and thoroughly be investigated.

· Plaque IS NOT a substance laid down layer by layer.
· Plaque IS a life form not picked up from a toilet seat but produced by our body.
· Plaque reproduces itself and therefore is a species.

When my science is fine tuned, it will be found that plaque produced by the body is of ‘plant origin’.

andyandy · 10th May 2011, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by Dancing David

It is now tenetavly labelled as 'delusional infestation' by one source I read, .

I hope they decide on a better name than that for when the doctor has to tell the patient what's wrong with them

The Don · 10th May 2011, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Bruce Voigt

· Plaque IS NOT a substance laid down layer by layer.
· Plaque IS a life form not picked up from a toilet seat but produced by our body.
· Plaque reproduces itself and therefore is a species.

When my science is fine tuned, it will be found that plaque produced by the body is of ‘plant origin’.

'kay, whatever

What kind of plaque were you referring to ? The toothy kind, the artery kind or any of the other kind (apart from the hanging on the wall kind - I think we can all agree that wall plaques are not a species

)

aggle-rithm · 10th May 2011, 11:35 AM

My aunt, who is in her eighties and has lived by herself until recently, complained of Morgellons for years. It made her so uncomfortable that she couldn't even get dressed anymore.

Recently, she moved into a nursing home where she has lots of social interaction and is kept busy with activities. The Morgellons magically went away.

aggle-rithm · 10th May 2011, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Bruce Voigt

· Plaque IS NOT a substance laid down layer by layer.
· Plaque IS a life form not picked up from a toilet seat but produced by our body.
· Plaque reproduces itself and therefore is a species.

When my science is fine tuned, it will be found that plaque produced by the body is of ‘plant origin’.

Now that is a cool story.

Wolrab · 10th May 2011, 01:42 PM

What is the deal with quoting yourself, Bruce?

7th May 2011, 03:52 PM	#1
andyandy anthropomorphic ape Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: up a tree Posts: 8,196	Morgellons The Mystery Illness Sweeping the Internet I thought this was a really interesting article looking at patients struggling to cope with a condition scientists believe is either psychosomatic or (inadvertently) self induced..... http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gnm/op/...&cat=most-read
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7th May 2011, 03:53 PM	#2
andyandy anthropomorphic ape Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: up a tree Posts: 8,196	From the story..... Quote: Morgellons was named in 2001 by an American called Mary Leitao, whose son complained of sores around his mouth and the sensation of "bugs". Examining him with a toy microscope, Leitao found him to be covered in unexplained red, blue, black and white fibres. Since then, workers at her Morgellons Research Foundation say they have been contacted by more than 12,000 affected families. Campaign group the Charles E Holman Foundation states there are sufferers in "every continent except Antarctica". Thousands have written to Congress demanding action. In response, more than 40 senators, including Hillary Clinton, John McCain and apre-presidential Barack Obama, pressured the Centres For Disease Control And Prevention (CDC) to investigate; in 2006, it formed a special taskforce, setting aside $1m to study the condition. Sufferers include folk singer Joni Mitchell, who has complained of "this weird incurable disease that seems like it's from outer space... Fibres in a variety of colours protrude out of my skin: they cannot be forensically identified as animal, vegetable or mineral. Morgellons is aslow, unpredictable killer – a*terrorist disease. It will blow up one of your organs, leaving you in bed for a year." So it's new, frightening and profoundly odd. But if you were to seek the view of the medical establishment, you'd find the strangest fact about this disease: morgellons doesn't exist.
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7th May 2011, 03:58 PM	#3
Lisa Simpson THE Lisa Simpson Administrator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 123 Fake Street Posts: 20,064	Eh...it's been around a while. SBM just had an article about it: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=12499
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7th May 2011, 04:21 PM	#4
andyandy anthropomorphic ape Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: up a tree Posts: 8,196	Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson Eh...it's been around a while. SBM just had an article about it: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=12499 Well it's only just made the guardian so I've only just heard of it As an aside I defy anyone to read the article and not start to feel a bit itchy....
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7th May 2011, 04:46 PM	#5
Emet Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,395	They have a non-profit foundation: http://www.morgellons.org/index.html I looked up their most currently available 990 on GuideStar. They had $9350 in revenue for 2008.
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7th May 2011, 05:06 PM	#6
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 17,956	So what is the deal with the fibers under the skin then? Are these normally present and most people just don't notice them?
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7th May 2011, 05:07 PM	#7
shandyjan Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: N/W England Posts: 2,111	All very strange. And I could understand an itch condition undiagnosed, that then causes a psychiatric disorder. But it went into bigfoot and alien territory when the fibres tested ame back as unknown..and it was never disclosed what they were, just to keep a myth alive perhaps?
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The_Animus Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Western Wisconsin Posts: 1,221	Must be the alien anal probes implanting it in people. It's passed on to the next generation and takes a couple generations to mature and start showing signs
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7th May 2011, 05:18 PM	#9
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shifting through paradigms Posts: 40,628	Originally Posted by andyandy Well it's only just made the guardian so I've only just heard of it As an aside I defy anyone to read the article and not start to feel a bit itchy.... It's like the aspartame myth, it goes around, fades away then reappears and repeats the cycle.
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7th May 2011, 05:38 PM	#10
Kevin_Lowe Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Queensland Posts: 10,284	Originally Posted by Travis So what is the deal with the fibers under the skin then? Are these normally present and most people just don't notice them? It's just ordinary fluff embedded in the scabs caused by their scratching.
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7th May 2011, 05:41 PM	#11
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,578	Originally Posted by Travis So what is the deal with the fibers under the skin then? Are these normally present and most people just don't notice them? In most cases they probably don't exist. Where they do things like clothing are considered the most likely source.

7th May 2011, 05:41 PM	#12
Bruce Voigt Thinker Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 215	Morgellons Disease is described as pimples of the skin containing a string or fibre material which is of plant origin. Victims complain of a cobweb like feeling through out the body. Until recently these people have been shuffled off to dermatologists and then to psychotherapy. Morgellons Disease is described as pimples of the skin containing a string or fibre material which is of plant origin. Victims complain of a cobweb like feeling through out the body. Until recently these people have been shuffled off to dermatologists and then to psychotherapy. Lime disease is another. Remember now, we produce such things as bed mites! (All life produces life) Lets just hope the bed mite doesn't evolve into a species (the likes of the pine beetle) that would be requiring a little flesh with its meal of skin! Bedbugs spreading across Vancouver. Hmmmmmmmmmm Morgellons disease, flesh eating disease, SARS etc are things that should seriously and thoroughly be investigated.
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7th May 2011, 06:04 PM	#13
ThunderChunky Muse Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 982	Originally Posted by The_Animus Must be the alien anal probes implanting it in people. It's passed on to the next generation and takes a couple generations to mature and start showing signs Nah man. It's the chem trails.
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7th May 2011, 07:01 PM	#14
casebro Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,799	From the last thread on this subject, I believe Kaiser HMO is doing a study. My guess is that lint and maybe fungal tendrils account for the fibers, the rest is psychosomatic.
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7th May 2011, 07:15 PM	#15
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Great I just read it's contagious

7th May 2011, 07:19 PM	#16
Emet Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,395	Originally Posted by casebro From the last thread on this subject, I believe Kaiser HMO is doing a study. They did (apparently past tense). From the CDC: Quote: What is the current status of the study? We recently completed the data analysis. A final report has been submitted for publication in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. My Google fu failed me--I couldn't find it. Quote: Why did CDC select Kaiser Permanente Northern California as the partner for the study? http://www.cdc.gov/unexplaineddermop...stigation.html
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7th May 2011, 08:28 PM	#17
AdMan Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 7,197	Yep--it's been around for a while. A search for Morgellons in the forum yields a number of threads, some from as far back as 2008. It's an interesting phenomenon, whatever it is. If you want to read about one theory, check out skeptic novelist Scott Sigler's Infected.
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7th May 2011, 09:34 PM	#19
AdMan Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 7,197	Originally Posted by Beerina "plant fibers" = cotton = fuzz stuck in a dried-out sore That's likely all it is--coupled with a variety of other vague symptoms--but what's interesting is the complexity that's emerged around such simple phenomena. It says a lot about human minds.
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7th May 2011, 09:41 PM	#20
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shifting through paradigms Posts: 40,628	Originally Posted by Bruce Voigt Morgellons Disease is ... are things that should seriously and thoroughly be investigated. What makes you think it hasn't been?
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8th May 2011, 04:23 AM	#21
Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,729	I believe the sensations ar emost likely present and the sores, but the firber thing is ... welll ... unsubstantiated.
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8th May 2011, 12:40 PM	#22
Mongrel Begging for Scraps Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: 20 minutes in the future Posts: 1,640	Originally Posted by AdMan That's likely all it is--coupled with a variety of other vague symptoms--but what's interesting is the complexity that's emerged around such simple phenomena. It says a lot about human minds. The internet is also to 'blame' for this, it's so much easier to propagate a wrong idea nowadays
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8th May 2011, 02:28 PM	#23
fls Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10,236	This is interesting to me because I cared for people with this problem (before there was "Morgellon's disease" or the Internet). It has been interesting to watch the process of disease creation from its beginnings. Linda
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8th May 2011, 04:17 PM	#24
tyr_13 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Falconer, NY Posts: 9,678	I believe Skeptoid did an article on it. Last time I read into it, it seemed to be pretty closely tied to the chem trail CT.
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8th May 2011, 04:28 PM	#25
MatildaGage Muse Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Risa Posts: 799	Are you guys saying this is actually not a joke? I've been hearing it for years but I always thought it was intended to be a joke. Even if you go to their forum it appears to be a joke. That Guardian story obviously intends for it to be a joke, right? Quote: So far, the laboratory has found Wymore's various morgellons fibres to be: nylon; cotton; a blond human hair; a fungal fibre; a rodent hair; and down, most likely from geese or ducks.
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8th May 2011, 04:59 PM	#26
AnnoyingPony Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 366	"Morgellons" sufferers tend to say that chemtrails did it, and that the medical establishment is ignoring them. Typical CT statements. They probably suffer from mental symptoms. EDIT: Case in point... (link)
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Emet Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,395	Originally Posted by imagineaa Are you guys saying this is actually not a joke? I've been hearing it for years but I always thought it was intended to be a joke. Not a joke. Did you see the CDC, SBM, and Foundation links?
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8th May 2011, 05:19 PM	#28
quadraginta What was the question? Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility Posts: 7,910	Originally Posted by AnnoyingPony "Morgellons" sufferers tend to say that chemtrails did it, and that the medical establishment is ignoring them. Typical CT statements. They probably suffer from mental symptoms. EDIT: Case in point... (link) People who think like that are scary. (I just wish there weren't so many of them.)
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8th May 2011, 05:46 PM	#29
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shifting through paradigms Posts: 40,628	Originally Posted by AnnoyingPony "Morgellons" sufferers tend to say that chemtrails did it, and that the medical establishment is ignoring them. Typical CT statements. They probably suffer from mental symptoms. EDIT: Case in point... (link) People convinced of some of these syndromes appear to be under at least some delusion (typically there is no consistent clinical picture suggesting that whatever is going on, the named entities people latch on to are not necessarily the disgnosis). However, just because some people suffer psychosomatic illness does not mean it always turns out the be the case. There have been many entities which a diagnosis was eventually found that perhaps a person's symptoms were initially incorrectly dismissed as psychosomatic. One thing is clear with Morgellon's, fibers made of artificial materials are not crawling out of people's skin. There is simply no physiological basis for such occurrences. Intense itching can be psychosomatic, but it can also have a real physiological basis. And it is possible (and likely) the syndrome represents multiple different etiologies. With skin biopsies and modern instrumentation to examine the findings, it is unlikely any parasites have been missed. Keep in mind the pictures on the Morgellon's Foundation web page are misleading, out of context, and not good science. But whether everyone with the symptoms they believe are Morgellon's are psychosomatic remains to be seen.
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9th May 2011, 05:57 PM	#30
MatildaGage Muse Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Risa Posts: 799	Originally Posted by Emet Not a joke. Did you see the CDC, SBM, and Foundation links? I remember seeing a CDC article a long time ago, but I just figured they were trying to debunk something a few delusional people were claiming. I thought a few delusional people picked up on an Internet joke.
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9th May 2011, 06:47 PM	#31
Emet Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,395	Originally Posted by imagineaa I remember seeing a CDC article a long time ago, but I just figured they were trying to debunk something a few delusional people were claiming. I thought a few delusional people picked up on an Internet joke. Okay. So have you decided on a new username yet?
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10th May 2011, 04:46 AM	#32
Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,729	Originally Posted by imagineaa I remember seeing a CDC article a long time ago, but I just figured they were trying to debunk something a few delusional people were claiming. I thought a few delusional people picked up on an Internet joke. It is now tenetavly labelled as 'delusional infestation' by one source I read, I am also curious how many have current akesthesia caused by anti-psychotics. I know of one client whose skins sensations were well treated by Clozaril.
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10th May 2011, 06:09 AM	#33
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10th May 2011, 06:48 AM	#34
Scott Haley Muse Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 562	Plaque? I found an article about this called "Old Plaque, New Disease". I love that. http://www.thenhf.com/article.php?id=472
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10th May 2011, 07:06 AM	#35
Bruce Voigt Thinker Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 215	Originally Posted by Bruce Voigt Morgellons Disease is described as pimples of the skin containing a string or fibre material which is of plant origin. Victims complain of a cobweb like feeling through out the body. Until recently these people have been shuffled off to dermatologists and then to psychotherapy. Morgellons Disease is described as pimples of the skin containing a string or fibre material which is of plant origin. Victims complain of a cobweb like feeling through out the body. Until recently these people have been shuffled off to dermatologists and then to psychotherapy. Lime disease is another. Remember now, we produce such things as bed mites! (All life produces life) Lets just hope the bed mite doesn't evolve into a species (the likes of the pine beetle) that would be requiring a little flesh with its meal of skin! Bedbugs spreading across Vancouver. Hmmmmmmmmmm Morgellons disease, flesh eating disease, SARS etc are things that should seriously and thoroughly be investigated. · Plaque IS NOT a substance laid down layer by layer. · Plaque IS a life form not picked up from a toilet seat but produced by our body. · Plaque reproduces itself and therefore is a species. When my science is fine tuned, it will be found that plaque produced by the body is of ‘plant origin’.
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