Merged: Vaccine/autism CT discussion

[ladmo]

Originally Posted by kookbreaker

You want to enjoy the benefits of schools, you have to take some basic precautions to prevent outbreaks and epidemics.

I can agree with your premise but in my state education is compulsory up to the 8 grade. If someone were against the vaccines, they could then do home schooling.

[Clayton Moore]

Originally Posted by kookbreaker

You want to enjoy the benefits of schools, you have to take some basic precautions to prevent outbreaks and epidemics

Before vaccines childhood diseases weren't considered outbreaks or epidemics anymore than the common cold.

The Small Pox and Polio vaccines were strides in medicine most of the others are not.

[beren]

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

Before vaccines childhood diseases weren't considered outbreaks or epidemics anymore than the common cold.

Ash the good old days when children dying was a matter of course and nothing to get bothered about. I miss those days.

[Kid Eager]

Originally Posted by beren

Ash the good old days when children dying was a matter of course and nothing to get bothered about. I miss those days.

yeah, the polio kids with the leg braces were having massive lulz...

[tsig]

Originally Posted by Kid Eager

yeah, the polio kids with the leg braces were having massive lulz...

Iron lungs were a hoot.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

Before vaccines childhood diseases weren't considered outbreaks or epidemics anymore than the common cold.

The Small Pox and Polio vaccines were strides in medicine most of the others are not.

Except that things like the Measles, Rubella and Pertussis were way worse than the common cold.

By what criteria are you deciding that the Small Pox and Polio vaccines were "good" and all the others were "not?"

And...once again. Would you please answer my question: What actions by the FDA makes you think they are bought off?

[000063]

Originally Posted by excaza

Of course not, they just approved it, donned their monocles, and ran to the bank with comically large sacks of money from the vaccine producing supercompanies.

Sacks with giant dollar signs on them.

[Travis]

I'm betting they were twirling mustaches as well.

[000063]

Accidentally knocked their top hats off as they ran in the door.

[Dave Rogers]

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

Did NICE run a study that compared the autism rate of children under 2 years old who received 20 or more vaccines to the autism rate of children under 2 years old who did not receive any vaccines?

Translation: "I haven't got a clue, but because it's a counter-argument I'm going to try to confuse the issue in the hope that everyone will quietly forget about it."

Clayton, I think we can assume that the eminent members of the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence have access to the medical press and are able to read, and will therefore be familiar with the studies that show that no increase in autism has been observed as a result of MMR vaccination. Since their brief is to determine what healthcare should be provided in order to give maximum benefit for a given cost, which is very obviously in no way aligned to the financial interests of the pharmaceutical companies, why do you think they have chosen to recommend universal MMR vaccination?

Dave

[Travis]

What, you mean the Big Pharma controlled FDA doesn't hold authoritarian control in all countries?

[Dave Rogers]

Originally Posted by Travis

What, you mean the Big Pharma controlled FDA doesn't hold authoritarian control in all countries?

Yes, that's exactly what I've been ordered to say.

Dave

[catsmate1]

Bump.
It seems that the anti-vaccine nuts are getting their way; there's been a ten-fold increase in measles cases in the UK this year with increases also noted in France and Belgium. More here and here.

[Travis]

How can that be when all they need is proper nutrition and sanitation?

[whatthebutlersaw]

Originally Posted by Travis

How can that be when all they need is proper nutrition and sanitation?

You know. I don't understand that argument even if its premise was correct. What do we do with all those people who haven't got proper nutrition and sanitation? Are they better off be-measled?

You don't even have to go to third world countries to find malnutrition and unsanitary living conditions. You don't have to go further than Plumstead common. (Or Sergel's Square in Stockholm) What about the homeless and the people who have fallen between the cracks in countries that no longer offer psychiatric care placements? What about the perfectly ordinary benefit recipient or minimum wage earner with a weekly food budget of £12 and a council that won't offer a bin scheme and also won't clean up after the gulls have been at the rubbish sacks?

What do we do until we can - which we apparently can't now, for some reason, and councils are expected to save further millions of pounds next year - provide every citizen with proper nutrition and sanitation?

Even if the premise was true - we don't have 100% coverage of nutrition and sanitation for our entire populations. There are always some people who fall through the cracks for long lengths of time. Are they just supposed to mump it? Because those of us who can afford proper nutrition and sanitary conditions aren't willing to trade off a 0.00000001% risk against a one in 15 risk?

Nice.

And academic, since the previous near erradication of these diseases - these killer diseases, these maiming diseases, these disfiguring and painful diseases - was down to vaccines and the proper infrastructure to administer them.

[Corsair 115]

Originally Posted by tsig

Iron lungs were a hoot.

Well, iron lung sound a lot like Iron Man, so it's gotta be cool, right?

[Travis]

Funny how Clayton abandoned this thread.

[1337m4n]

I might've said this before. But if I have, it bears repeating.

Know what I hate about this particular conspiracy theory? It's perhaps the only conspiracy theory that can actually kill people.

I usually spend my forum time arguing against 9/11 Truthers. They're offensive, disrespectful, loudmouthed, stupid, annoying, cultlike oafs who destroy their own lives to satisfy their needs for attention. But they aren't dangerous in the life-or-death sense of the word. The worst I've seen them to is convince gullible people to abandon friends and families so they can run off and do Twoof crap. Which is bad, sure, but they still have their lives. JFK and moon hoax CTs are even less harmful.

But these vaccine CT's.

No.

These vaccine CT's...they are what make me wish there weren't laws against nonlethal assault & battery. They are what make me question the otherwise unquestionable First Amendment. These cancerous tumors on society suck gullible people into their fold, using lies, weasel-words, and Twoofisms...they suck people in, and then they kill them and their children.

I don't know what kind of body count the Vaccines-Cause-Autism CT has racked up over the years, but I have a feeling it's higher than the death toll of every other conspiracy theory combined. These people make me sick. Whenever I hear the phrase "faith in humanity" I declare that I am an atheist. What a bunch of ****.

[Clayton Moore]

Originally Posted by 1337m4n

I might've said this before. But if I have, it bears repeating.

Know what I hate about this particular conspiracy theory? It's perhaps the only conspiracy theory that can actually kill people.

I usually spend my forum time arguing against 9/11 Truthers. They're offensive, disrespectful, loudmouthed, stupid, annoying, cultlike oafs who destroy their own lives to satisfy their needs for attention. But they aren't dangerous in the life-or-death sense of the word. The worst I've seen them to is convince gullible people to abandon friends and families so they can run off and do Twoof crap. Which is bad, sure, but they still have their lives. JFK and moon hoax CTs are even less harmful.

But these vaccine CT's.

No.

These vaccine CT's...they are what make me wish there weren't laws against nonlethal assault & battery. They are what make me question the otherwise unquestionable First Amendment. These cancerous tumors on society suck gullible people into their fold, using lies, weasel-words, and Twoofisms...they suck people in, and then they kill them and their children.

I don't know what kind of body count the Vaccines-Cause-Autism CT has racked up over the years, but I have a feeling it's higher than the death toll of every other conspiracy theory combined. These people make me sick. Whenever I hear the phrase "faith in humanity" I declare that I am an atheist. What a bunch of ****.

Maybe you should wake up and view the tip of the iceberg.

Or do you think all of these incidents are imagined?

Seizures, convulsions & vaccines

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/seizures.html

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[2009 Sept] Two thousand schoolgirls suffer suspected ill-effects from cervical cancer vaccine Within four days of the third injection in March of this year, Stacey suffered an epileptic seizure, followed by 17 more in the following week. She has now been diagnosed with a brain injury, caused by inflammation of the brain, and is being treated in an NHS rehabilitation unit in Birmingham, which helps her with basic tasks like making a sandwich. Seizures are minimised by five types of medication, but her memory is badly damaged. The family has been given no explanation for how the damage occurred. Mrs Jones, 44, said: "She was such a lovely, happy go-lucky girl, now she is just a shell. "When we go to see her, she can't remember what she has just eaten for tea. The impact on her and all of us has been absolutely devastating. I feel she has been used as a guinea pig."

I have a friend who can't get a flu shot or a tetanus shot because of the reaction. She's 40. What happens to a toddler or younger baby when he or she gets a REACTION?
What happens when a baby has an unobserved seizure?

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[1998] Weibel et al Acute Encephalopathy Followed by Permanent Brain Injury or Death Associated With Further Attenuated Measles Vaccines: A Review of Claims Submitted to the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program A total of 48 children, ages 10 to 49 months, met the inclusion criteria after receiving measles vaccine, alone or in combination. Eight children died, and the remainder had mental regression and retardation, chronic seizures, motor and sensory deficits, and movement disorders.

When a vaccine or series of vaccines are given and a child develops a seizure minutes later or even several days later, there is no question that the vaccine triggered the seizure. Multiple seizures indicate a severely inflamed brain and emergency procedures need to be implemented. In many cases, the seizures can be silent, that is, they have other neurological or behavioral expressions, such as irritability or periods of confusion, rather than an obvious convulsion. (Blaylock, RL. JAN A 2003;6:10-22.) Treatment means more than just prescribing anti-seizure medications, since this only masks the true process going on in the child's brain, that is, severe brain inflammation and excitotoxicity. Vaccine Safety Manual by Neil Z. Miller.

[Stellafane]

Originally Posted by 1337m4n

I might've said this before. But if I have, it bears repeating.

Know what I hate about this particular conspiracy theory? It's perhaps the only conspiracy theory that can actually kill people.

I usually spend my forum time arguing against 9/11 Truthers. They're offensive, disrespectful, loudmouthed, stupid, annoying, cultlike oafs who destroy their own lives to satisfy their needs for attention. But they aren't dangerous in the life-or-death sense of the word. The worst I've seen them to is convince gullible people to abandon friends and families so they can run off and do Twoof crap. Which is bad, sure, but they still have their lives. JFK and moon hoax CTs are even less harmful.

But these vaccine CT's.

No.

These vaccine CT's...they are what make me wish there weren't laws against nonlethal assault & battery. They are what make me question the otherwise unquestionable First Amendment. These cancerous tumors on society suck gullible people into their fold, using lies, weasel-words, and Twoofisms...they suck people in, and then they kill them and their children.

I don't know what kind of body count the Vaccines-Cause-Autism CT has racked up over the years, but I have a feeling it's higher than the death toll of every other conspiracy theory combined. These people make me sick. Whenever I hear the phrase "faith in humanity" I declare that I am an atheist. What a bunch of ****.

Oh man, I so hear you. Think of it: what's just about the worst thing in the whole world you can call someone, worse than murderer, rapist, Hitler-lover, or anything else? Baby killer, right? And yet, here we are, talking about people who are fully prepared to put millions of babies' lives at risk. And for what, really? To satisfy their twisted, perverse need to feel superior, to tell themselves they know something the rest of us don't, by talking smugly and confidently about a subject they don't even being to remotely understand.

When I think of someone like Jenny McCarthy, and how by the cold light of logic, reason, and mathematics the world would quite literally be better off if she were dead (or, as a less violent alternative, would at least just shut her impossibly stupid mouth), it may make me rather queasy and uncomfortable to harbor such thoughts. But I cannot argue with the underlying truth of the situation.

Some people want to be stupid. OK I get it. So long as the only victims of their willful stupidity are themselves, I say go for it, knock yourself out, whatever gets you through the day and all that. But when your stupidity endangers lives -- especially those of babies and children who have no choice in the matter -- well, all I can say is that I cannot fathom how such a person can live with themselves.

[Clayton Moore]

Originally Posted by Stellafane

Oh man, I so hear you. Think of it: what's just about the worst thing in the whole world you can call someone, worse than murderer, rapist, Hitler-lover, or anything else? Baby killer, right? And yet, here we are, talking about people who are fully prepared to put millions of babies' lives at risk. And for what, really? To satisfy their twisted, perverse need to feel superior, to tell themselves they know something the rest of us don't, by talking smugly and confidently about a subject they don't even being to remotely understand.

When I think of someone like Jenny McCarthy, and how by the cold light of logic, reason, and mathematics the world would quite literally be better off if she were dead (or, as a less violent alternative, would at least just shut her impossibly stupid mouth), it may make me rather queasy and uncomfortable to harbor such thoughts. But I cannot argue with the underlying truth of the situation.

Some people want to be stupid. OK I get it. So long as the only victims of their willful stupidity are themselves, I say go for it, knock yourself out, whatever gets you through the day and all that. But when your stupidity endangers lives -- especially those of babies and children who have no choice in the matter -- well, all I can say is that I cannot fathom how such a person can live with themselves.

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/seizures.html

In case you missed it the people discussed are victims.

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I have a friend who can't get a flu shot or a tetanus shot because of the reaction. She's 40. What happens to a toddler or younger baby when he or she gets a REACTION?
What happens when a baby has an unobserved seizure?

[Stellafane]

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/seizures.html

In case you missed it the people discussed are victims.

I'm not sure why you think what you've posted is any sort of reply. It appears to consist primarily of links to unverified anecdotes in which claims are made that various forms of health problems followed the administration of a vaccination -- with little proof that the former caused the latter. None of it provides even a single atom of proof that vaccines cause autism, which after all is the topic of this thread.

I don't know what your motivation is for doing something like this -- indeed, as I stated in my previous post, I can't even understand why anyone would do this. All I can say is that to me, this behavior is indistinguishable from someone who has no interest in determining or discussing the truth; they simply want to tell themselves they're winning an argument. The problem is, such activity is essentially the same as playing a game in which no one else is participating -- and still losing very badly.

[catsmate1]

And still he ignores Wakefield's vaccine patent in favour of unverified anecdotes and lies...........

[Stellafane]

Originally Posted by catsmate1

And still he ignores Wakefield's vaccine patent in favour of unverified anecdotes and lies...........

I think it's a exercise in simply wanting to believe something, and then contriving a reason for doing so. Think of it: The original presumed connection between autism and vaccines was based on the whole themiserol thing, and the similarities between the symptoms of mercury poisoning and autism. So they phase out themiserol, but instead of going down autism diagnosis rates continue to rise (probably because we're just better at recognizing the symptoms, although some consider the jury still out on that one). But instead of accepting that vaccines never had anything to do with autism, the anti-vaxers now seem to be focusing on some hypothetical process in which vaccines damage the immune system, thus resulting in autism -- as if autism were the result of immunodeficiency, a link for which I've seen zero evidence.

For some people, it seems to come down to this: they know vaccines cause autism, so it doesn't really matter what the data does -- or doesn't -- show. And based on that, they're prepared to put millions of babies at risk. The ignorant and deluded are to be pitied; but those who insist upon remaining willfully so, at the potential expense of innocent young lives, are reprehensible beyond expression.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/seizures.html

Quote:

I have a friend who can't get a flu shot or a tetanus shot because of the reaction. She's 40. What happens to a toddler or younger baby when he or she gets a REACTION?
What happens when a baby has an unobserved seizure?

In case you missed it the people discussed are victims.

Babies can be born with all sorts of potential reactions to things. Of course we only find out about them when they actually have these reactions. But I suppose we should go the safer course and just keep all babies in a plastic bubble just in case.

[Clayton Moore]

[quote]

Originally Posted by Stellafane

I think it's a exercise in simply wanting to believe something, and then contriving a reason for doing so. Think of it: The original presumed connection between autism and vaccines was based on the whole themiserol thing, and the similarities between the symptoms of mercury poisoning and autism. So they phase out themiserol, but instead of going down autism diagnosis rates continue to rise (probably because we're just better at recognizing the symptoms, although some consider the jury still out on that one). But instead of accepting that vaccines never had anything to do with autism, the anti-vaxers now seem to be focusing on some hypothetical process in which vaccines damage the immune system, thus resulting in autism -- as if autism were the result of immunodeficiency, a link for which I've seen zero evidence.

For some people, it seems to come down to this: they know vaccines cause autism, so it doesn't really matter what the data does -- or doesn't -- show. And based on that, they're prepared to put millions of babies at risk. The ignorant and deluded are to be pitied; but those who insist upon remaining willfully so, at the potential expense of innocent young lives, are reprehensible beyond expression.

So because people were not questioning the vaccine but the themiserol. When the themiserol was eliminated the vaccine gets a pass? Good thinking.

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/seizures.html

Maybe you should take the time to read all of those links.
You think those people have some nefarious agenda?

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In April 2010, an ATAGI - TGA joint working group was established to provide advice to the Chief Medical Officer on adverse events following the 2010 trivalent seasonal influenza vaccine (TIV). In September 2010, this group was reconvened to re-examine the rate of febrile convulsions following administration of the monovalent pandemic H1N1 influenza vaccine, Panvax/Panvax Junior (CSL) in young children, and in particular, to address the following questions:

You do realize that reconvened to re-examine the rate of febrile convulsions means that a significant number of events are needed to freaking reconvene anything.

Quote:

As at 17 September 2010 the TGA had received a total of 48 unique reports of febrile convulsions in children aged less than 5 years who had received Panvax or Panvax Jnr. Each of these cases (the numerator) were carefully reviewed to ensure that a consistent case definition was applied and that the timeframe and age range of the cases (numerator) used in the analysis were consistent with those used in determining the number of doses administered (the denominator)

I've never witnessed a febrile convulsion and I hope no one here has or will. How many have gone unseen by a parent downstairs while their toddler is "sleeping" 10 or 12 hours a day?


http://www.whale.to/vaccine/feds9.html

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Feds checking post-vaccine seizures in young kids

(AP) – 1 day ago

Jan 20, 2011

ATLANTA (AP) — Government officials are investigating an apparent increase in fever-related seizures in young children after they got a flu shot.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration on Thursday said there have been 36 confirmed reports of seizures this flu season in children ages 6 months through 2 years. The seizures occurred within one day after they were vaccinated with Fluzone, the only flu shot recommended in the United States for infants and very young children. Ten of the children were hospitalized, but all recovered.

How does anyone know if the potential of a 6 month old baby has been damaged or not?

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In August, a U.S. vaccines advisory panel said doctors should avoid using that vaccine, made by CSL Biotherapies, in children ages 6 months through 8 years.

In the US, the flu season is October through May.

Does this mean that the advisory was ignored?

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Jan 20, 2011

ATLANTA (AP) — Government officials are investigating an apparent increase in fever-related seizures in young children after they got a flu shot.

WTF Vaccines causing health problems to young children, serious health problems, is not conspiracy theory, it's reality.

[Corsair 115]

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/seizures.html

In case you missed it the people discussed are victims.

O. M. G! He actually linked to the whale.to web site to support his case. Multiple times!

[000063]

Originally Posted by Travis

Funny how Clayton abandoned this thread.

He never was really here.

[kookbreaker]

Originally Posted by Corsair 115

O. M. G! He actually linked to the whale.to web site to support his case. Multiple times!

It is inevitable when vaccines are the topic. Its the Godwin of the Jenny Mcarthy set.

[Safe-Keeper]

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I don't know what kind of body count the Vaccines-Cause-Autism CT has racked up over the years, but I have a feeling it's higher than the death toll of every other conspiracy theory combined.

Here's a primer: http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.co...ount/Home.html

At the time of writing, 79 365 cases of preventable illnesses, of which 727 resulted in deaths. This is contrasted with 0 cases of autism found to have been caused by vaccination.

[Stellafane]

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

So because people were not questioning the vaccine but the themiserol. When the themiserol was eliminated the vaccine gets a pass? Good thinking.

Actually, it's quite good thinking, since there's no evidence that vaccines cause autism, and no reason to believe they even can once you've eliminated the thermiserol angle (which, although totally unproven, at least was quasi-plausible). So yes, they get a total pass unless someone can suggest why they shouldn't -- which thus far no one has. Don't forget, it's up to the anti-vax folks to prove the link to autism, not up to everyone else to disprove it.

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Maybe you should take the time to read all of those links.
You think those people have some nefarious agenda?

No, I just think they're woefully ignorant and attach vastly more gravitas to their uninformed opinions than is merited -- which, when one considers that the lives of innocent children are at state, might indeed be accurately described as nefarious after all.

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You do realize that reconvened to re-examine the rate of febrile convulsions means that a significant number of events are needed to freaking reconvene anything.

I've never witnessed a febrile convulsion and I hope no one here has or will. How many have gone unseen by a parent downstairs while their toddler is "sleeping" 10 or 12 hours a day?

Sorry, but I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here. And in any case, the OP is about vaccines causing autism. What does febrile convulsions have to do with that? Are you implying that if there's any side effects at all associated with vaccines, whatever those symptoms must be, then it follows that vaccines cause autism? I certainly hope that's not what you're attempting here, because if so, that would place you squarely in the camp of those who are more interested in trying to "win" an internet argument than discussing the truth of whether or not vaccines cause autism.

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How does anyone know if the potential of a 6 month old baby has been damaged or not?

This goes back to my burden of proof remark earlier. "How does anyone know" doesn't cut it. What you need is "There is proof that." You don't have that, and therefore your argument fails.

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WTF Vaccines causing health problems to young children, serious health problems, is not conspiracy theory, it's reality.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure those parallel vertical poles flying off into the distance are goalposts. Of course vaccines can cause health problems in some young children (a very tiny minority), no reasonable person denies that. Every effective medication can cause side effects in some people. Treatments as massively successful and important as aspirin and penicillin can and have killed people. Should we ban them, along with every other effective medication? Sure, if we want to go back to the time when human life expectancy was around 30 years and the majority of babies failed to survive childhood.

But that's not what this thread's about, it's about whether or not vaccines cause autism. So trying to turn the argument into "but vaccines have some side effects" is a strawman so huge you could hide the Trojan army in it.

This is the point at which it becomes rather difficult to show any respect at all to your argument. The subject of this thread is whether or not vaccines cause autism. If you have evidence that it does, present it. If you don't, admit such, rather than attempting to save a bit of face by shifting the goalposts.

[Stellafane]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Here's a primer: http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.co...ount/Home.html

At the time of writing, 79 365 cases of preventable illnesses, of which 727 resulted in deaths. This is contrasted with 0 cases of autism found to have been caused by vaccination.

Never mind...there's really nothing to say to the above that doesn't already speak for itself.

[Safe-Keeper]

Quote:

WTF Vaccines causing health problems to young children, serious health problems, is not conspiracy theory, it's reality.

WTF Seat belts causing health problems to young children, serious health problems, is not conspiracy theory, it's reality.
WTF Helmets causing health problems to young children, serious health problems, is not conspiracy theory, it's reality.
WTF Dogs causing health problems to young children, serious health problems, is not conspiracy theory, it's reality.
WTF Stairs causing health problems to young children, serious health problems, is not conspiracy theory, it's reality.
WTF Toys causing health problems to young children, serious health problems, is not conspiracy theory, it's reality.

Your point?

Quote:

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/seizures.html

Maybe you should take the time to read all of those links.
You think those people have some nefarious agenda?

You think this is relevant for some reason?

[Clayton Moore]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Here's a primer: http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.co...ount/Home.html

At the time of writing, 79 365 cases of preventable illnesses, of which 727 resulted in deaths. This is contrasted with 0 cases of autism found to have been caused by vaccination.

Go spread those lies somewhere else. In the fifties I think there were over a million cases a year of measles and about 500 deaths a year. 60 years later I'm sure most of those lives would be saved by modern medicine.

[kookbreaker]

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

Go spread those lies somewhere else.

They are not lies.

[Arisia]

Children are born autistic, or on the autism spectrum, and subtle signs are there months before MMR vaccination takes place. Less subtle signs tend to show up around the time the MMR vaccination takes place, that doesn't mean the MMR vaccine has any connection to autism.
As for the vaccinations against HPV, my daughter got them, and like the vast majority of young women, she had no side effects whatsoever.
Humanity has eradicated one disease from the human population so far, small pox, due mostly to a vaccination program. We are so close to doing the same with other deadly diseases like polio, and we were getting there with measles, until this idiocy.

[Clayton Moore]

Originally Posted by Arisia

Children are born autistic, or on the autism spectrum, and subtle signs are there months before MMR vaccination takes place. Less subtle signs tend to show up around the time the MMR vaccination takes place, that doesn't mean the MMR vaccine has any connection to autism.
As for the vaccinations against HPV, my daughter got them, and like the vast majority of young women, she had no side effects whatsoever.
Humanity has eradicated one disease from the human population so far, small pox, due mostly to a vaccination program. We are so close to doing the same with other deadly diseases like polio, and we were getting there with measles, until this idiocy.

The idiocy is the belief that children, after what, 600,000 years are now becoming autistic because they are genetically disposed to. Inherited brain dysfunction. That's nutso. World wide inherited autism.

What do kids with autism have in common? Start with that and get back to planet Earth?

Show me a study that produces 1000 autistic children who were never vaccinated.

I'm hooked, this forum makes me feel like Mike Judge.

[Travis]

Autism has always been with us. The only reason there seems to be an increase now is that they broadened the diagnostic symptoms for autism to the point where just about anyone with any "weirdness" to them now qualifies.

But how many kids get diagnosed as "mentally retarded" now? Since that almost never happens anymore I declare that vaccines have eliminated it.

[Kid Eager]

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

What do kids with autism have in common? Start with that and get back to planet Earth?


.

A diagnosis of autism rather than failing to be diagnosed, or being simply labelled "retarded".

[Safe-Keeper]

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Show me a study that produces 1000 autistic children who were never vaccinated.

What would be the point? You would come back saying either that

a) the study is flawed somehow, or

b) that all right, so vaccines aren't the only thing that causes autism. Although admittedly that would be some sort of progress.

Edit: but as vaccines do not cause autism, I suspect I already know what the statistics, when presented to you, will show.