Song by Gay banned at Wasilia high graduation...

headscratcher4 · 13th May 2011, 05:49 AM

http://www.joemcginniss.net/dateline...oe%20McGinniss

Than reinstated with changes...

Cleon · 13th May 2011, 06:09 AM

Stupidity - the main industry of Wasilla.

PhantomWolf · 13th May 2011, 06:10 AM

One has to wonder if there isn't more to this story...

The sing was banned because a parent reportedly complained about it being by Freddy? It doesn't say it actually was banned because of that. The school appears to have had no problem with it at other events. Funny that it was allowed back if they removed the lines about killing a man, could that have been the problem in the first place but it got blow out of all proportions based on rumour? Afterall...

"Mama, I just killed a man,
Put a gun up to his head,
pulled the trigger,
now he's dead."

is probably not something that would be considered appropriate in a school graduation considering the US issues with guns and schools.

headscratcher4 · 13th May 2011, 06:23 AM

One wonders if they would have banned Johnny Cash: I shot a man in Reno just to see him die.

I suspect there's a lot of things mixed up in this story. I doubt they've banned the now ubiquitous chants involving songs by Queen -- like we are the Champions -- at sportting events.

AmandaM · 13th May 2011, 08:15 AM

They can sing it now, albeit without the killing lyrics.

http://www.adn.com/2011/05/12/185933...#ixzz1MCItTHEt

WildCat · 13th May 2011, 04:15 PM

Here's a link to a local news site about this, dated May 9: http://www.frontiersman.com/articles...2219524721.txt

Quote:

“The whole thing was just ridiculous,” senior Rachel Clark said Monday. “They’d played the song on the school intercom and we played it at prom. It’s a great song and the choir was really excited to be singing it. And the senior class felt like it defined them.”

...Clark said it didn’t make sense for the school district to tout tolerance for all and then turn around and allow homophobia to dictate something such as graduation music.

“We were joking about singing Elton John’s ‘Candle in the Wind,’ instead,” Clark said. “I guess no matter what you do, someone’s feathers are going to get ruffled.”

quadraginta · 14th May 2011, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by Cleon

Stupidity - the main industry of Wasilla.

The main export too, it would seem.

One wonders how extensive the stupidity mine there is. They certainly appear to have a penchant for digging deeper.

mortimer · 14th May 2011, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Here's a link to a local news site about this, dated May 9: http://www.frontiersman.com/articles...2219524721.txt

/obligatory "he totally stole that from REO Speedwagon" reference

EventHorizon · 14th May 2011, 07:28 AM

What better way to celebrate your transition into adulthood than by having something censored so your virgin ears don't hear it.

Soapy Sam · 15th May 2011, 10:53 AM

Freddy Mercury was GAY?

Well. I'll be blowed.

Checkmite · 15th May 2011, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

One wonders if they would have banned Johnny Cash: I shot a man in Reno just to see him die.

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WildCat · 15th May 2011, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Checkmite

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Johnny Cash totally stole that song, but surprisingly not from REO Speedwagon.

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Tricky · 15th May 2011, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by Soapy Sam

Freddy Mercury was GAY?

Well. I'll be blowed.

Of course not. That's just a lot of innuendo.

Dragoonster · 15th May 2011, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by Soapy Sam

Freddy Mercury was GAY?

Well. I'll be blowed.

Actually, he was bisexual.

Wildy · 15th May 2011, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by Dragoonster

Actually, he was bisexual.

Unless you believe that there are no bisexuals.

Alan · 15th May 2011, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by Wildy

Unless you believe that there are no bisexuals.

An absurd belief contrary to sexological data, it must be added.

Wildy · 15th May 2011, 11:14 PM

Well if you can read that link without this happening they actually link to some news articles where they talk about that.

Alan · 15th May 2011, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by Wildy

Well if you can read that link without this happening they actually link to some news articles where they talk about that.

Yes, I know. I've read it before.

Dragoonster · 15th May 2011, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by Wildy

Unless you believe that there are no bisexuals.

Heh, yeah. Those tropes are a pet peeve of mine. Even L&O SVU (in the the tv realm) virtually never acknowledges bisexuals. Either some victim/suspect is gay or straight, and nothing inbetween! Don't even know if that show has ever uttered the word "bisexual".

Susheel · 16th May 2011, 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by Alan

An absurd belief contrary to sexological data, it must be added.

... and a lot of documentary evidence :cough: porn :/cough:

timhau · 16th May 2011, 04:01 AM

Originally Posted by Dragoonster

Actually, he was bisexual.

In other words, he was completely OK and then Teh Gay Lobby converted him.

jayh · 20th May 2011, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by Dragoonster

Heh, yeah. Those tropes are a pet peeve of mine. Even L&O SVU (in the the tv realm) virtually never acknowledges bisexuals. Either some victim/suspect is gay or straight, and nothing inbetween! Don't even know if that show has ever uttered the word "bisexual".

It seems that large chunks of both the gay and straight communities don't like to acknowledge Bis. Not sure why, perhaps 'in between' people seem to upset the sense of certainty people like to have about sexual identity.

PhantomWolf · 21st May 2011, 03:35 AM

Originally Posted by jayh

It seems that large chunks of both the gay and straight communities don't like to acknowledge Bis. Not sure why, perhaps 'in between' people seem to upset the sense of certainty people like to have about sexual identity.

I think you have found the head of the long metal fastener thingy with the heavy metal hitty thingy.

A lot of people seem to be of the belief that sexual orientation is something formed before birth and is unchangable there after. The scientific evidence disagrees.

While most people are clustered about the ends of the spectrum (either totally or almost totally attracted to just males, or to just females,) there are a lot of people in the middle that are attracted more to one sex than the other, but still able to be attracted to both. There are people that tend to slide up and down the spectrum too. One study noted that many women tend to move towards the female attraction end as they get older (probably cause they get sick of males if you ask me.)

This sort of thing is quite unpopular in certain circles though as it undermines certain arguments.

Personally I think it's time everyone got their noses out of everyone else's bedrooms and just paid attention to their own. If someone wants to have an orgy with members of the same sex, the other sex, their sister, brother, and a consenting chimp who states the understanding and desire to be involved via sign language, who the heck are we to say no?

13th May 2011, 05:49 AM	#1
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,749	Song by Gay banned at Wasilia high graduation... http://www.joemcginniss.net/dateline...oe%20McGinniss Than reinstated with changes...
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13th May 2011, 06:09 AM	#2
Cleon King of the Pod People Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 20,537	Stupidity - the main industry of Wasilla.
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13th May 2011, 06:10 AM	#3
PhantomWolf Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lost Deimos Moon Base Posts: 9,968	One has to wonder if there isn't more to this story... The sing was banned because a parent reportedly complained about it being by Freddy? It doesn't say it actually was banned because of that. The school appears to have had no problem with it at other events. Funny that it was allowed back if they removed the lines about killing a man, could that have been the problem in the first place but it got blow out of all proportions based on rumour? Afterall... "Mama, I just killed a man, Put a gun up to his head, pulled the trigger, now he's dead." is probably not something that would be considered appropriate in a school graduation considering the US issues with guns and schools.
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13th May 2011, 06:23 AM	#4
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,749	One wonders if they would have banned Johnny Cash: I shot a man in Reno just to see him die. I suspect there's a lot of things mixed up in this story. I doubt they've banned the now ubiquitous chants involving songs by Queen -- like we are the Champions -- at sportting events.
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13th May 2011, 08:15 AM	#5
AmandaM Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 374	They can sing it now, albeit without the killing lyrics. http://www.adn.com/2011/05/12/185933...#ixzz1MCItTHEt
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13th May 2011, 04:15 PM	#6
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,146	Here's a link to a local news site about this, dated May 9: http://www.frontiersman.com/articles...2219524721.txt Quote: “The whole thing was just ridiculous,” senior Rachel Clark said Monday. “They’d played the song on the school intercom and we played it at prom. It’s a great song and the choir was really excited to be singing it. And the senior class felt like it defined them.” ...Clark said it didn’t make sense for the school district to tout tolerance for all and then turn around and allow homophobia to dictate something such as graduation music. “We were joking about singing Elton John’s ‘Candle in the Wind,’ instead,” Clark said. “I guess no matter what you do, someone’s feathers are going to get ruffled.”
	Last edited by WildCat; 13th May 2011 at 04:16 PM.

14th May 2011, 06:51 AM	#7
quadraginta What was the question? Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility Posts: 7,910	Originally Posted by Cleon Stupidity - the main industry of Wasilla. The main export too, it would seem. One wonders how extensive the stupidity mine there is. They certainly appear to have a penchant for digging deeper.
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14th May 2011, 07:03 AM	#8
mortimer NWO Janitor Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,479	Originally Posted by WildCat Here's a link to a local news site about this, dated May 9: http://www.frontiersman.com/articles...2219524721.txt /obligatory "he totally stole that from REO Speedwagon" reference

14th May 2011, 07:28 AM	#9
EventHorizon Atheist Tergiversator Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,850	What better way to celebrate your transition into adulthood than by having something censored so your virgin ears don't hear it.
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15th May 2011, 10:53 AM	#10
Soapy Sam NLH Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 25,885	Freddy Mercury was GAY? Well. I'll be blowed.
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15th May 2011, 07:59 PM	#13
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,374	Originally Posted by Soapy Sam Freddy Mercury was GAY? Well. I'll be blowed. Of course not. That's just a lot of innuendo.

15th May 2011, 09:08 PM	#14
Dragoonster Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,583	Originally Posted by Soapy Sam Freddy Mercury was GAY? Well. I'll be blowed. Actually, he was bisexual.

15th May 2011, 10:59 PM	#15
Wildy Adelaidean Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia, not that you'll read the "location" field. Posts: 9,924	Originally Posted by Dragoonster Actually, he was bisexual. Unless you believe that there are no bisexuals.
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15th May 2011, 11:10 PM	#16
Alan Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,652	Originally Posted by Wildy Unless you believe that there are no bisexuals. An absurd belief contrary to sexological data, it must be added.

15th May 2011, 11:14 PM	#17
Wildy Adelaidean Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia, not that you'll read the "location" field. Posts: 9,924	Well if you can read that link without this happening they actually link to some news articles where they talk about that.
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15th May 2011, 11:15 PM	#18
Alan Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,652	Originally Posted by Wildy Well if you can read that link without this happening they actually link to some news articles where they talk about that. Yes, I know. I've read it before.

15th May 2011, 11:20 PM	#19
Dragoonster Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,583	Originally Posted by Wildy Unless you believe that there are no bisexuals. Heh, yeah. Those tropes are a pet peeve of mine. Even L&O SVU (in the the tv realm) virtually never acknowledges bisexuals. Either some victim/suspect is gay or straight, and nothing inbetween! Don't even know if that show has ever uttered the word "bisexual".

16th May 2011, 03:43 AM	#20
Susheel Muse Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 529	Originally Posted by Alan An absurd belief contrary to sexological data, it must be added. ... and a lot of documentary evidence :cough: porn :/cough:
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16th May 2011, 04:01 AM	#21
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: East of Sweeden Posts: 9,694	Originally Posted by Dragoonster Actually, he was bisexual. In other words, he was completely OK and then Teh Gay Lobby converted him.
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20th May 2011, 07:33 AM	#22
jayh Muse Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: NJ USA Posts: 525	Originally Posted by Dragoonster Heh, yeah. Those tropes are a pet peeve of mine. Even L&O SVU (in the the tv realm) virtually never acknowledges bisexuals. Either some victim/suspect is gay or straight, and nothing inbetween! Don't even know if that show has ever uttered the word "bisexual". It seems that large chunks of both the gay and straight communities don't like to acknowledge Bis. Not sure why, perhaps 'in between' people seem to upset the sense of certainty people like to have about sexual identity.

21st May 2011, 03:35 AM	#23
PhantomWolf Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lost Deimos Moon Base Posts: 9,968	Originally Posted by jayh It seems that large chunks of both the gay and straight communities don't like to acknowledge Bis. Not sure why, perhaps 'in between' people seem to upset the sense of certainty people like to have about sexual identity. I think you have found the head of the long metal fastener thingy with the heavy metal hitty thingy. A lot of people seem to be of the belief that sexual orientation is something formed before birth and is unchangable there after. The scientific evidence disagrees. While most people are clustered about the ends of the spectrum (either totally or almost totally attracted to just males, or to just females,) there are a lot of people in the middle that are attracted more to one sex than the other, but still able to be attracted to both. There are people that tend to slide up and down the spectrum too. One study noted that many women tend to move towards the female attraction end as they get older (probably cause they get sick of males if you ask me.) This sort of thing is quite unpopular in certain circles though as it undermines certain arguments. Personally I think it's time everyone got their noses out of everyone else's bedrooms and just paid attention to their own. If someone wants to have an orgy with members of the same sex, the other sex, their sister, brother, and a consenting chimp who states the understanding and desire to be involved via sign language, who the heck are we to say no?
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