Is the Space Shuttle a hoax?

Anders Lindman · 16th May 2011, 06:15 AM

From the start let me stress that this is almost a too crazy conspiracy theory. The idea is that the Space Shuttle program is a hoax and that the space shuttles we have seen are only fake models, both small-scale and full-scale models. It's a very far-fetched idea, and while I believe the Apollo program really was a hoax, the idea that the Space Shuttle program too is a hoax is a way more speculative theory. Anyway, I want to test even the extreme boundaries of possible Big Lies.

Thunder · 16th May 2011, 06:18 AM

100% hoax. Human beings cannot survive for one second within the Van Allen Belts.

Anders Lindman · 16th May 2011, 06:32 AM

Originally Posted by Thunder

100% hoax. Human beings cannot survive for one second within the Van Allen Belts.

I have heard a lot about the Van Allen Belt but not researched it. Is it really something real? Something that has been scientifically verified, or only a theory?

It was interesting how in the documentary Only the US has Nukes, the presenter shows news reports from the 60s about how Cosmonauts stopped responding after about half an hour in space. Several examples of how the Cosmonauts kept transmitting radio signals for only around 30 minutes and then the signal was gone! Did the Cosmonauts die of radiation?!

Erock · 16th May 2011, 06:32 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

From the start let me stress that this is almost a too crazy conspiracy theory. The idea is that the Space Shuttle program is a hoax and that the space shuttles we have seen are only fake models, both small-scale and full-scale models. It's a very far-fetched idea, and while I believe the Apollo program really was a hoax, the idea that the Space Shuttle program too is a hoax is a way more speculative theory. Anyway, I want to test even the extreme boundaries of possible Big Lies.

I almost spluttered my tea when I read this. A "too crazy conspiracy theory" is a self supporting statement.

I have no trouble seeing how anybody would even contemplate this, when they think also that Apollo was hoaxed.

This is on a par with a thread over at DIF that says Nuclear weapons are hoaxed and deserves a facepalm from a catapult. Are you deliberately just trying to get a monthly nomination for a stundie by any chance?

philkensebben · 16th May 2011, 06:33 AM

Random speculation from a conspiracy theorist ? Whatever next: links to youtube videos when evidence is requested?

Travis · 16th May 2011, 06:36 AM

Another in a long line of: Is <insert commonly accepted thing> actually <crazy lame idea>? type threads.

So, no. The shuttle isn't fake unless the Russians failed to create a fake space program......oh wait you think they already did that when they failed to also fake a moon landing.

Anders Lindman · 16th May 2011, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by Erock

I almost spluttered my tea when I read this. A "too crazy conspiracy theory" is a self supporting statement.

I have no trouble seeing how anybody would even contemplate this, when they think also that Apollo was hoaxed.

This is on a par with a thread over at DIF that says Nuclear weapons are hoaxed and deserves a facepalm from a catapult. Are you deliberately just trying to get a monthly nomination for a stundie by any chance?

I actually agree with the theories of both the nuclear weapons and the Apollo program being hoaxes. This Space Shuttle hoax theory is much more speculative and I haven't researched it much.

I took a look at a few videos of Space Shuttle landings, and they looked fairly convincing except maybe a bit too poor video quality. One outrageous theory is that they drop the space shuttle from a Jumbo Jet and pretend that it came from space.

Lisa Simpson · 16th May 2011, 06:40 AM

My niece had a teacher in middle school who believed the space shuttle to be a hoax. She believed the sonic booms we'd hear when the shuttle would land at Edwards AFB to be faked. She also believes we've never been to the moon, that Kennedy was killed by someone other than Lee Harvey Oswald and that 9/11 was an inside job.

erwinl · 16th May 2011, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

I have heard a lot about the Van Allen Belt but not researched it. Is it really something real? Something that has been scientifically verified, or only a theory?

It was interesting how in the documentary Only the US has Nukes, the presenter shows news reports from the 60s about how Cosmonauts stopped responding after about half an hour in space. Several examples of how the Cosmonauts kept transmitting radio signals for only around 30 minutes and then the signal was gone! Did the Cosmonauts die of radiation?!

No. This was when they were captured and transported to the sea of Japan in expectation of the third world war. That never happened when the existence of the secret organization of Wolverines was suspected, and later confirmed, which would have made the whole war kind of pointless for the soviets.

Anders Lindman · 16th May 2011, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson

My niece had a teacher in middle school who believed the space shuttle to be a hoax. She believed the sonic booms we'd hear when the shuttle would land at Edwards AFB to be faked. She also believes we've never been to the moon, that Kennedy was killed by someone other than Lee Harvey Oswald and that 9/11 was an inside job.

Wow. That's pretty extreme, even to me. Not the moon landing, JFK and the 9/11 theories, which are fairly common conspiracy theories, but the Space Shuttle. That's an extreme theory. Hovering dangerously close to the tinfoil hat territory. But who knows!

SpitfireIX · 16th May 2011, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

From the start let me stress that this is almost a too crazy conspiracy theory. The idea is that the Space Shuttle program is a hoax and that the space shuttles we have seen are only fake models, both small-scale and full-scale models. It's a very far-fetched idea, and while I believe the Apollo program really was a hoax, the idea that the Space Shuttle program too is a hoax is a way more speculative theory. Anyway, I want to test even the extreme boundaries of possible Big Lies.

Aitch · 16th May 2011, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

I have heard a lot about the Van Allen Belt but not researched it. Is it really something real? Something that has been scientifically verified, or only a theory?

I first came across it in the SF story Scanners Live in Vain by Cordwainer Smith. IIRC they got round the problem originally by electronically modifying certain peoples nervous systems and then by wrapping their space-craft in a layer of oysters.

Seems as credible as the CTs that come along about space travel.

ferd burfle · 16th May 2011, 07:11 AM

Anders, your signature line, considered in light of the question you posed, leads me to believe that you are quite elderly.

ferd

arthwollipot · 16th May 2011, 07:12 AM

The sheer magnitude of the hoax would be mindblowing. How many people would have to be privy to the secret? And all of them completely trustworthy not to give it away? Ever? Not even hints? Please.

Travis · 16th May 2011, 07:37 AM

And just what were those people in Florida watching launch into the sky all those times?

Ladewig · 16th May 2011, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

The sheer magnitude of the hoax would be mindblowing. How many people would have to be privy to the secret? And all of them completely trustworthy not to give it away? Ever? Not even hints? Please.

Add to that that the destruction of two shuttles. Sure, blowing up the first one was not too expensive, but how much work would be involved in spreading debris (including body parts) over three states? And for what purpose?

So Anders Lindman, what is the purpose of these threads? Joking? Trolling? Usually, one scores troll points only by generating overly emotional responses, but no one here is riled up in any way. Are you just trying to clutter up the JREF with silly threads? If you are too embarrassed to post a response, then send me a private message.

Captain_Swoop · 16th May 2011, 07:50 AM

How about being able to see th shuttle in orbit?

Maybe they send a shuttle up pretend to be the fake shuttle.

Or, the MIB sneak into astrophotographers houses and stick little pictures of th eshuttle to the lenses of their cameras.

Lisa Simpson · 16th May 2011, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Travis

And just what were those people in Florida watching launch into the sky all those times?

According to the aforementioned middle school teacher, the shuttle is nothing more than an airplane with fancier takeoff. She told the students that it takes off from Cape Canaveral then lands (somewhere?), sends fake images back to NASA, then takes off again to land back in FL or sometimes CA.

triforcharity · 16th May 2011, 07:55 AM

LOL!! It isn't technically from Cape Canaveral. But, hell, it seems that facts and logic aren't her cup of tea, so it's a moot point anyway.

This thread is........entertaining at least.

Lisa Simpson · 16th May 2011, 08:01 AM

My sister-in-law complained to the principal that she was teaching conspiracy theories as current events (that's what the class was supposed to be). But bad teachers are incredibly difficult to get rid of.

R.A.F. · 16th May 2011, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson

My sister-in-law complained to the principal that she was teaching conspiracy theories as current events (that's what the class was supposed to be). But bad teachers are incredibly difficult to get rid of.

The media can be quite helpful with things like this...expose the teacher's ignorance for all to see, and see how long she retains her job.

Scott Sommers · 16th May 2011, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

I have heard a lot about the Van Allen Belt but not researched it. Is it really something real?

No. The Earth is flat. There is no such thing as stars. They are lights painted on to a screen that is suspended above the Earth. Anything else is part of this 'Big Lie' thing that you linked to.

Captain_Swoop · 16th May 2011, 09:26 AM

No, the stars are holes in the sky that let in the light and the rain, that's why rain is thin.

R.A.F. · 16th May 2011, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

From the start let me stress that this is almost a too crazy conspiracy theory.

Lets see...there is overwhelming evidence that the shuttle is not fake, just as there is overwhelming evidence that the moon landings are not fake....

No...I would say there is about the same amount of "crazy-ness" involved in both.

Craig4 · 16th May 2011, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Wow. That's pretty extreme, even to me. Not the moon landing, JFK and the 9/11 theories, which are fairly common conspiracy theories, but the Space Shuttle. That's an extreme theory. Hovering dangerously close to the tinfoil hat territory. But who knows!

Just because a conspiracy theory is common doesn't mean it exists only within the confines the tin foil hat community. There isn't anything to recommend 9/11 "truthers" (as if) and moon hoaxers over this lunacy.

Cl1mh4224rd · 16th May 2011, 09:44 AM

Is Anders Lindman a hoax?

Also...

Originally Posted by SpitfireIX

Because that fact still needs to be advertised, it seems.

aggle-rithm · 16th May 2011, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

From the start let me stress that this is almost a too crazy conspiracy theory.

For you? No way! Embrace your lunacy! Let the craziness fly!

It's so entertaining for the rest of us.

Spindrift · 16th May 2011, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by aggle-rithm

For you? No way! Embrace your lunacy! Let the craziness fly!

It's so entertaining for the rest of us.

Actually it's gotten rather boring, unimaginative and predictable.

He simply looks at the headlines for the day and starts a thread, "Is X a hoax?"

One has to wonder how he manages to keep up his membership in the troll union with such poor effort.

beachnut · 16th May 2011, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

From the start let me stress that this is almost a too crazy conspiracy theory. The idea is that the Space Shuttle program is a hoax and that the space shuttles we have seen are only fake models, both small-scale and full-scale models. It's a very far-fetched idea, and while I believe the Apollo program really was a hoax, the idea that the Space Shuttle program too is a hoax is a way more speculative theory. Anyway, I want to test even the extreme boundaries of possible Big Lies.

Is it too much to ask if you are fake?

I Ratant · 16th May 2011, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

I actually agree with the theories of both the nuclear weapons and the Apollo program being hoaxes. This Space Shuttle hoax theory is much more speculative and I haven't researched it much.

I took a look at a few videos of Space Shuttle landings, and they looked fairly convincing except maybe a bit too poor video quality. One outrageous theory is that they drop the space shuttle from a Jumbo Jet and pretend that it came from space.

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I've seen the Shuttle come in from -space-... no Jumbo Jet involved.
The monster sonic boom can't be simulated either.

I Ratant · 16th May 2011, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Travis

And just what were those people in Florida watching launch into the sky all those times?

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And Columbia was observed disintegrating for a 1000 miles along its path.

Alferd_Packer · 16th May 2011, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Thunder

100% hoax. Human beings cannot survive for one second within the Van Allen Belts.

Actually it is even shorter than that. About 1 millisecond or so. In fact, humans start to die from radiation exposure one you reach the stratosphere. Besides, everyone knows how hard the solar winds blow on the moon. the shuttle would be blown all the way to Jupiter if it were real.

Alferd_Packer · 16th May 2011, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Travis

And just what were those people in Florida watching launch into the sky all those times?

Chinese made fireworks

caniswalensis · 16th May 2011, 10:55 AM

Off topic, but Anders, what is that figure in your avatar?

Is it 1/6 scale? It caught my eye because I have a collection of 1/6 scale action figures.

Regards, Canis

Yeggster · 16th May 2011, 10:58 AM

How high above the earth does the space shuttle fly?

Anders Lindman · 16th May 2011, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by I Ratant

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I've seen the Shuttle come in from -space-... no Jumbo Jet involved.
The monster sonic boom can't be simulated either.

Ok, so then there should be videos showing the same thing, right? I mean, SOME video footage of such approach exists, or?

Anders Lindman · 16th May 2011, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by caniswalensis

Off topic, but Anders, what is that figure in your avatar?

Is it 1/6 scale? It caught my eye because I have a collection of 1/6 scale action figures.

Regards, Canis

It's Barack Obama as a Navy Seal: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42996803...laden-killing/

Also known as Rambama. lol.

Anders Lindman · 16th May 2011, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

The sheer magnitude of the hoax would be mindblowing. How many people would have to be privy to the secret? And all of them completely trustworthy not to give it away? Ever? Not even hints? Please.

The Manhattan project involved 100,000 people or something like that and it could be kept secret for several years.

Craig4 · 16th May 2011, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

The Manhattan project involved 100,000 people or something like that and it could be kept secret for several years.

But we know it wasn't kept secret. The Soviets knew about it because they had spies working for them reporting on it. I'd suggest you read "The Sword and Shield" but you won't because it's bit of a hard slog reading wise and you won't take the effort. It details the Soviet operation to steal the Manhattan Project secrets. We didn't even keep it secret while it was going on much less after we detonated the two devices. You see, and try to keep with me here, it's hard to keep an atomic detonation secret, what with all the radiation, heat and blast effects.

caniswalensis · 16th May 2011, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

It's Barack Obama as a Navy Seal: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42996803...laden-killing/

Also known as Rambama. lol.

LOL! Thanks!

16th May 2011, 06:15 AM	#1
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,289	Is the Space Shuttle a hoax? From the start let me stress that this is almost a too crazy conspiracy theory. The idea is that the Space Shuttle program is a hoax and that the space shuttles we have seen are only fake models, both small-scale and full-scale models. It's a very far-fetched idea, and while I believe the Apollo program really was a hoax, the idea that the Space Shuttle program too is a hoax is a way more speculative theory. Anyway, I want to test even the extreme boundaries of possible Big Lies.

16th May 2011, 06:36 AM	#6
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 17,946	Another in a long line of: Is <insert commonly accepted thing> actually <crazy lame idea>? type threads. So, no. The shuttle isn't fake unless the Russians failed to create a fake space program......oh wait you think they already did that when they failed to also fake a moon landing.
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16th May 2011, 06:40 AM	#8
Lisa Simpson THE Lisa Simpson Administrator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 123 Fake Street Posts: 20,062	My niece had a teacher in middle school who believed the space shuttle to be a hoax. She believed the sonic booms we'd hear when the shuttle would land at Edwards AFB to be faked. She also believes we've never been to the moon, that Kennedy was killed by someone other than Lee Harvey Oswald and that 9/11 was an inside job.
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16th May 2011, 06:55 AM	#11
SpitfireIX Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana, USA Posts: 2,829	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman From the start let me stress that this is almost a too crazy conspiracy theory. The idea is that the Space Shuttle program is a hoax and that the space shuttles we have seen are only fake models, both small-scale and full-scale models. It's a very far-fetched idea, and while I believe the Apollo program really was a hoax, the idea that the Space Shuttle program too is a hoax is a way more speculative theory. Anyway, I want to test even the extreme boundaries of possible Big Lies.
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16th May 2011, 07:11 AM	#13
ferd burfle Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Just short of Zeta II Reticuli Posts: 346	Anders, your signature line, considered in light of the question you posed, leads me to believe that you are quite elderly. ferd
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16th May 2011, 06:18 AM	#2
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	100% hoax. Human beings cannot survive for one second within the Van Allen Belts.

16th May 2011, 06:32 AM	#3
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,289	Originally Posted by Thunder 100% hoax. Human beings cannot survive for one second within the Van Allen Belts. I have heard a lot about the Van Allen Belt but not researched it. Is it really something real? Something that has been scientifically verified, or only a theory? It was interesting how in the documentary Only the US has Nukes, the presenter shows news reports from the 60s about how Cosmonauts stopped responding after about half an hour in space. Several examples of how the Cosmonauts kept transmitting radio signals for only around 30 minutes and then the signal was gone! Did the Cosmonauts die of radiation?!

16th May 2011, 06:32 AM	#4
Erock Muse Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Debunking Linkbarf & Poop Posts: 615	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman From the start let me stress that this is almost a too crazy conspiracy theory. The idea is that the Space Shuttle program is a hoax and that the space shuttles we have seen are only fake models, both small-scale and full-scale models. It's a very far-fetched idea, and while I believe the Apollo program really was a hoax, the idea that the Space Shuttle program too is a hoax is a way more speculative theory. Anyway, I want to test even the extreme boundaries of possible Big Lies. I almost spluttered my tea when I read this. A "too crazy conspiracy theory" is a self supporting statement. I have no trouble seeing how anybody would even contemplate this, when they think also that Apollo was hoaxed. This is on a par with a thread over at DIF that says Nuclear weapons are hoaxed and deserves a facepalm from a catapult. Are you deliberately just trying to get a monthly nomination for a stundie by any chance?

16th May 2011, 06:33 AM	#5
philkensebben Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 1,833	Random speculation from a conspiracy theorist ? Whatever next: links to youtube videos when evidence is requested?

16th May 2011, 06:39 AM	#7
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,289	Originally Posted by Erock I almost spluttered my tea when I read this. A "too crazy conspiracy theory" is a self supporting statement. I have no trouble seeing how anybody would even contemplate this, when they think also that Apollo was hoaxed. This is on a par with a thread over at DIF that says Nuclear weapons are hoaxed and deserves a facepalm from a catapult. Are you deliberately just trying to get a monthly nomination for a stundie by any chance? I actually agree with the theories of both the nuclear weapons and the Apollo program being hoaxes. This Space Shuttle hoax theory is much more speculative and I haven't researched it much. I took a look at a few videos of Space Shuttle landings, and they looked fairly convincing except maybe a bit too poor video quality. One outrageous theory is that they drop the space shuttle from a Jumbo Jet and pretend that it came from space.

16th May 2011, 06:42 AM	#9
erwinl Muse Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: A small country beneath the sea Posts: 557	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman I have heard a lot about the Van Allen Belt but not researched it. Is it really something real? Something that has been scientifically verified, or only a theory? It was interesting how in the documentary Only the US has Nukes, the presenter shows news reports from the 60s about how Cosmonauts stopped responding after about half an hour in space. Several examples of how the Cosmonauts kept transmitting radio signals for only around 30 minutes and then the signal was gone! Did the Cosmonauts die of radiation?! No. This was when they were captured and transported to the sea of Japan in expectation of the third world war. That never happened when the existence of the secret organization of Wolverines was suspected, and later confirmed, which would have made the whole war kind of pointless for the soviets.

16th May 2011, 06:52 AM	#10
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,289	Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson My niece had a teacher in middle school who believed the space shuttle to be a hoax. She believed the sonic booms we'd hear when the shuttle would land at Edwards AFB to be faked. She also believes we've never been to the moon, that Kennedy was killed by someone other than Lee Harvey Oswald and that 9/11 was an inside job. Wow. That's pretty extreme, even to me. Not the moon landing, JFK and the 9/11 theories, which are fairly common conspiracy theories, but the Space Shuttle. That's an extreme theory. Hovering dangerously close to the tinfoil hat territory. But who knows!

16th May 2011, 07:09 AM	#12
Aitch Guest Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: StAines Posts: 2,731	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman I have heard a lot about the Van Allen Belt but not researched it. Is it really something real? Something that has been scientifically verified, or only a theory? I first came across it in the SF story Scanners Live in Vain by Cordwainer Smith. IIRC they got round the problem originally by electronically modifying certain peoples nervous systems and then by wrapping their space-craft in a layer of oysters. Seems as credible as the CTs that come along about space travel.

16th May 2011, 07:12 AM	#14
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: The other side of your screen Posts: 43,031	The sheer magnitude of the hoax would be mindblowing. How many people would have to be privy to the secret? And all of them completely trustworthy not to give it away? Ever? Not even hints? Please.
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16th May 2011, 07:37 AM	#15
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 17,946	And just what were those people in Florida watching launch into the sky all those times?
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16th May 2011, 07:39 AM	#16
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,823	Originally Posted by arthwollipot The sheer magnitude of the hoax would be mindblowing. How many people would have to be privy to the secret? And all of them completely trustworthy not to give it away? Ever? Not even hints? Please. Add to that that the destruction of two shuttles. Sure, blowing up the first one was not too expensive, but how much work would be involved in spreading debris (including body parts) over three states? And for what purpose? So Anders Lindman, what is the purpose of these threads? Joking? Trolling? Usually, one scores troll points only by generating overly emotional responses, but no one here is riled up in any way. Are you just trying to clutter up the JREF with silly threads? If you are too embarrassed to post a response, then send me a private message.
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16th May 2011, 07:50 AM	#17
Captain_Swoop Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 3,935	How about being able to see th shuttle in orbit? Maybe they send a shuttle up pretend to be the fake shuttle. Or, the MIB sneak into astrophotographers houses and stick little pictures of th eshuttle to the lenses of their cameras.

16th May 2011, 07:50 AM	#18
Lisa Simpson THE Lisa Simpson Administrator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 123 Fake Street Posts: 20,062	Originally Posted by Travis And just what were those people in Florida watching launch into the sky all those times? According to the aforementioned middle school teacher, the shuttle is nothing more than an airplane with fancier takeoff. She told the students that it takes off from Cape Canaveral then lands (somewhere?), sends fake images back to NASA, then takes off again to land back in FL or sometimes CA.
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16th May 2011, 07:55 AM	#19
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,218	LOL!! It isn't technically from Cape Canaveral. But, hell, it seems that facts and logic aren't her cup of tea, so it's a moot point anyway. This thread is........entertaining at least.
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16th May 2011, 08:01 AM	#20
Lisa Simpson THE Lisa Simpson Administrator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 123 Fake Street Posts: 20,062	My sister-in-law complained to the principal that she was teaching conspiracy theories as current events (that's what the class was supposed to be). But bad teachers are incredibly difficult to get rid of.
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16th May 2011, 08:14 AM	#21
R.A.F. Suspended Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,107	Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson My sister-in-law complained to the principal that she was teaching conspiracy theories as current events (that's what the class was supposed to be). But bad teachers are incredibly difficult to get rid of. The media can be quite helpful with things like this...expose the teacher's ignorance for all to see, and see how long she retains her job.
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16th May 2011, 08:16 AM	#22
Scott Sommers Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,642	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman I have heard a lot about the Van Allen Belt but not researched it. Is it really something real? No. The Earth is flat. There is no such thing as stars. They are lights painted on to a screen that is suspended above the Earth. Anything else is part of this 'Big Lie' thing that you linked to.
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16th May 2011, 09:26 AM	#23
Captain_Swoop Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 3,935	No, the stars are holes in the sky that let in the light and the rain, that's why rain is thin.

16th May 2011, 09:29 AM	#24
R.A.F. Suspended Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,107	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman From the start let me stress that this is almost a too crazy conspiracy theory. Lets see...there is overwhelming evidence that the shuttle is not fake, just as there is overwhelming evidence that the moon landings are not fake.... No...I would say there is about the same amount of "crazy-ness" involved in both.
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16th May 2011, 09:43 AM	#25
Craig4 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 5,363	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman Wow. That's pretty extreme, even to me. Not the moon landing, JFK and the 9/11 theories, which are fairly common conspiracy theories, but the Space Shuttle. That's an extreme theory. Hovering dangerously close to the tinfoil hat territory. But who knows! Just because a conspiracy theory is common doesn't mean it exists only within the confines the tin foil hat community. There isn't anything to recommend 9/11 "truthers" (as if) and moon hoaxers over this lunacy.
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16th May 2011, 09:44 AM	#26
Cl1mh4224rd Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 6,618	Is Anders Lindman a hoax? Also... Originally Posted by SpitfireIX Because that fact still needs to be advertised, it seems.

16th May 2011, 10:01 AM	#27
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,153	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman From the start let me stress that this is almost a too crazy conspiracy theory. For you? No way! Embrace your lunacy! Let the craziness fly! It's so entertaining for the rest of us.
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16th May 2011, 10:13 AM	#28
Spindrift Enturbulator Extraordinaire Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 8,452	Originally Posted by aggle-rithm For you? No way! Embrace your lunacy! Let the craziness fly! It's so entertaining for the rest of us. Actually it's gotten rather boring, unimaginative and predictable. He simply looks at the headlines for the day and starts a thread, "Is X a hoax?" One has to wonder how he manages to keep up his membership in the troll union with such poor effort.
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16th May 2011, 10:18 AM	#29
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 19,903	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman From the start let me stress that this is almost a too crazy conspiracy theory. The idea is that the Space Shuttle program is a hoax and that the space shuttles we have seen are only fake models, both small-scale and full-scale models. It's a very far-fetched idea, and while I believe the Apollo program really was a hoax, the idea that the Space Shuttle program too is a hoax is a way more speculative theory. Anyway, I want to test even the extreme boundaries of possible Big Lies. Is it too much to ask if you are fake?

16th May 2011, 10:37 AM	#30
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman I actually agree with the theories of both the nuclear weapons and the Apollo program being hoaxes. This Space Shuttle hoax theory is much more speculative and I haven't researched it much. I took a look at a few videos of Space Shuttle landings, and they looked fairly convincing except maybe a bit too poor video quality. One outrageous theory is that they drop the space shuttle from a Jumbo Jet and pretend that it came from space. . I've seen the Shuttle come in from -space-... no Jumbo Jet involved. The monster sonic boom can't be simulated either.

16th May 2011, 10:39 AM	#31
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	Originally Posted by Travis And just what were those people in Florida watching launch into the sky all those times? . And Columbia was observed disintegrating for a 1000 miles along its path.

16th May 2011, 10:42 AM	#32
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,221	Originally Posted by Thunder 100% hoax. Human beings cannot survive for one second within the Van Allen Belts. Actually it is even shorter than that. About 1 millisecond or so. In fact, humans start to die from radiation exposure one you reach the stratosphere. Besides, everyone knows how hard the solar winds blow on the moon. the shuttle would be blown all the way to Jupiter if it were real.
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16th May 2011, 10:48 AM	#33
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,221	Originally Posted by Travis And just what were those people in Florida watching launch into the sky all those times? Chinese made fireworks
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16th May 2011, 10:55 AM	#34
caniswalensis Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,567	Off topic, but Anders, what is that figure in your avatar? Is it 1/6 scale? It caught my eye because I have a collection of 1/6 scale action figures. Regards, Canis
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16th May 2011, 10:58 AM	#35
Yeggster Critical Thinker Join Date: May 2009 Location: Orillia, Ontario, Canada Posts: 460	How high above the earth does the space shuttle fly?