What´s the "fabyan society"?

[Johny2x4]

I heard this term as an unholy alliance of the leftist forces in order to bring about their agenda. Anyobdy here heard of a similar notion?

[dvictr]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society ??

[geni]

Mildly influential thinktank:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society

[Johny2x4]

Sooo. What´s their role in the CT world?

[dropzone]

Originally Posted by geni

Mildly influential thinktank:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society

It's not the fan club of a handsome, but marginally-talented, pop singer from the '50s?

[BeAChooser]

Originally Posted by Johny2x4

I heard this term as an unholy alliance of the leftist forces in order to bring about their agenda.

If you were hoping through this thread to make lite of The Fabian Society and debunk the notion that it was/is an alliance of leftists to spread socialism, you won't succeed because the record speaks for itself. If your question was honest, then perhaps the following will help in your journey.

The Fabian Society is a British intellectual movement, started by the founders of the London School Of Economics (LSE), Sidney and Beatrice Webb. Its purpose was and still is to advance socialism via gradualist and reformist, rather than revolutionary, means. In other words, the Fabians have the same goal as Marxists, they just plan to take a different road to the goal.

Indeed, according to the London School of Economics own documentation (http://www.aim25.ac.uk/cgi-bin/vcdf/...3261&inst_id=1 ), LSE was founded with money "in trust for 'propaganda and other purposes of the said [Fabian] Society and its Socialism and towards advancing its objects in any way they [the trustees] deem advisable'".

Sidney and Beatrice Webb had a profound effect on the formation of the progressive movement (i.e., the modern democratic party) in America. Sidney Webb toured the US before 1900 and his book, "Socialism in England" was soon circulating throughout America's universities. And from that small beginning, Fabian thinking has taken root in American and STRONGLY influenced the agenda of the democratic party over the years.

But it didn't happen over night. It took decades and decades to organize and effect. The Rand School of Social Science (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_Sc...Social_Science ) was formed in 1906 in New York City as a result and it is the equivalent of the London School of Economics. And guess where the parents of many top democrats sent their children?

Many notable American democrats have been Fabian socialists or have had strong connections to them.

Woodrow Wilson was a leader of the "progressive era". Wilson was infected with Fabian socialist thinking. He talked Congress into passing lots of socialist legislation, including the Federal Reserve Act and the first progressive income tax. Walter Lippman, one of the founding editors of the leftist magazine New Republic and advisor to Woodrow Wilson was a Fabian socialist (he joined in 1909).

Wilson wrote an essay, "Socialism and Democracy", in which he claimed there was no essential difference in principle between socialism and democracy. He said both rest ultimately on the absolute right "of the community to determine its own destiny and that of its members" and that both assert that “men as communities are supreme over men as individuals." In short, Wilson attacked the Founding Fathers' understanding of individual rights and the legitimate role of government, and adopted what socialists claim to be those rights and roles.

He even said on one occasion that “if you want to understand the real Declaration of Independence, do not repeat the preface” – i.e. that part of the Declaration which talks about securing individual natural rights as the only legitimate purpose of government. His was a socialist sentiment. He so disliked the Constitution and the system set up by the founders that he ignored the fact that this is a republic, not a democracy, and during his administration, he made changes to the way Congress is elected, moving our system away from being a republic.

He also claimed in his speeches that changes in economic and social conditions justify changes in the role of government. Doesn't that sound familiar? He saw a danger in the growth of corporations, and saw the role of government as restricting their power. Again, doesn't that sound familiar? That's EXACTLY what modern day democrats/socialists keep saying.

He wrote that "control must be public, not private, must be vested in the government itself, so that the banks may be the instruments, not the masters, of business and of individual enterprise and initiative." That's a socialist view. That's what Obama and staff have said about the banks. They too are infected with Fabian thinking.

Wilson wrote that the system of free enterprise that fostered the unparalleled material development in the United States was “an economic system which is heartless." That's effectively what Obama and his socialist associates keep saying about America. That we lack *empathy*.

And he wrote "it is easy to make socialism, as theoretically developed by the greater and saner socialistic writers, intelligible not only, but even attractive, as a conception” and “the only hard task is to give [socialism] validity and strength as a program in practical politics.” In short, he wanted to build a socialist society ... but just call it a democracy. And that's exactly what current democrats are busy doing.

Now you might be thinking … but Wilson actually ran against a declared socialist (Eugene Debs) on one occasion! How could he therefore be a socialist at heart? Perhaps it would help you understand, if you thought of "progressives" and "socialists" as two competing branches of the same group. They both basically believed the same essential things. Wanted the same essential things. They just had slightly different ideas of how to get there. One wanted "change" now and was willing to admit to being socialist. The other (the progressives) wanted to call this a democracy and take a more gradual, long term approach to the same eventual solution. They are the Fabians.

Who are some other notable and influential democrats influenced by Fabian thinking?

George Foster Peabody, first director of the Federal Reserve Bank in New York in 1914, wrote "I have always been most sympathetic to individual Socialist aspirations. I have particularly observed the Fabian System of England with hopeful anticipations." Peabody is the man who helped set up the General Education Board created by John D Rockefeller in 1910 to affect education policy in the US. So they were focused on controlling education very early.

John Maynard Keynes, whose economics FDR promoted/enacted, and who Obama and his supporters idolize and used to justify the Stimulus boondoggle, was a Fabian socialist (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/TUkeynes.htm).

Eleanor Roosevelt, who was already active in the Social Justice Movement when she met FDR, took her husband to lunch with Sidney and Beatrice Webb while on their honeymoon in 1905. And look what FDR eventually did?

As you can clearly see, it's easy to show that the Fabian Society had it's tentacles spreading into America years and years ago and hasn't stopped spreading them since. One could go on and on noting prominent left leaning Americans who were either Fabian socialists or very closely associated with them.

Who do you think was Bill Clinton's mentor was during his Rhodes scholarship at Oxford? Carroll Quigley, a man who wrote a book in 1966 which attempted to make light of what he referred to as the "wild-eyed and bushy-haired theoreticians of Socialist Harvard and the London School of Economics”, much like you are attempting. But his book was just deception to make people ignore Fabian socialists and what they were busy doing. Which is spreading socialism. Clinton went to Rhodes for a reason. To surround himself with Fabians. And he picked a good place. It was William T. Stead, a Fabian Society member, who organized the famous Round Table Groups for Rhodes when he started his Scholarship program.

And in the latest adminstration, George Soros, Obama's primary backer, is a Fabian socialist who attended the LSE. Peter Rouse, Obama's Chief of Staff, is a Fabian … who attended the LSE. And what Obama is doing is acting very much in the manner one would expect from a Fabian socialist.

What do you think the Cloward Piven Strategy is other than Fabian Socialist thinking. It was and is a gradualist approach that would takes many years to impliment ... and Obama was a student of that approach. How much do you know about the Cloward Piven Strategy, Johnny? Maybe that is something you should read: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/A...0Poverty2.html if you really want to see an unholy alliance of leftists in action and what they've been planning for decades.

[Redtail]

Originally Posted by BeAChooser

If you were hoping through this thread to make lite of The Fabian Society and debunk the notion that it was/is an alliance of leftists to spread socialism, you won't succeed because the record speaks for itself. If your question was honest, then perhaps the following will help in your journey.

The Fabian Society is a British intellectual movement, started by the founders of the London School Of Economics (LSE), Sidney and Beatrice Webb. Its purpose was and still is to advance socialism via gradualist and reformist, rather than revolutionary, means. In other words, the Fabians have the same goal as Marxists, they just plan to take a different road to the goal.

Indeed, according to the London School of Economics own documentation (http://www.aim25.ac.uk/cgi-bin/vcdf/...3261&inst_id=1 ), LSE was founded with money "in trust for 'propaganda and other purposes of the said [Fabian] Society and its Socialism and towards advancing its objects in any way they [the trustees] deem advisable'".

Sidney and Beatrice Webb had a profound effect on the formation of the progressive movement (i.e., the modern democratic party) in America. Sidney Webb toured the US before 1900 and his book, "Socialism in England" was soon circulating throughout America's universities. And from that small beginning, Fabian thinking has taken root in American and STRONGLY influenced the agenda of the democratic party over the years.

But it didn't happen over night. It took decades and decades to organize and effect. The Rand School of Social Science (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_Sc...Social_Science ) was formed in 1906 in New York City as a result and it is the equivalent of the London School of Economics. And guess where the parents of many top democrats sent their children?

Many notable American democrats have been Fabian socialists or have had strong connections to them.

Woodrow Wilson was a leader of the "progressive era". Wilson was infected with Fabian socialist thinking. He talked Congress into passing lots of socialist legislation, including the Federal Reserve Act and the first progressive income tax. Walter Lippman, one of the founding editors of the leftist magazine New Republic and advisor to Woodrow Wilson was a Fabian socialist (he joined in 1909).

Wilson wrote an essay, "Socialism and Democracy", in which he claimed there was no essential difference in principle between socialism and democracy. He said both rest ultimately on the absolute right "of the community to determine its own destiny and that of its members" and that both assert that “men as communities are supreme over men as individuals." In short, Wilson attacked the Founding Fathers' understanding of individual rights and the legitimate role of government, and adopted what socialists claim to be those rights and roles.

He even said on one occasion that “if you want to understand the real Declaration of Independence, do not repeat the preface” – i.e. that part of the Declaration which talks about securing individual natural rights as the only legitimate purpose of government. His was a socialist sentiment. He so disliked the Constitution and the system set up by the founders that he ignored the fact that this is a republic, not a democracy, and during his administration, he made changes to the way Congress is elected, moving our system away from being a republic.

He also claimed in his speeches that changes in economic and social conditions justify changes in the role of government. Doesn't that sound familiar? He saw a danger in the growth of corporations, and saw the role of government as restricting their power. Again, doesn't that sound familiar? That's EXACTLY what modern day democrats/socialists keep saying.

He wrote that "control must be public, not private, must be vested in the government itself, so that the banks may be the instruments, not the masters, of business and of individual enterprise and initiative." That's a socialist view. That's what Obama and staff have said about the banks. They too are infected with Fabian thinking.

Wilson wrote that the system of free enterprise that fostered the unparalleled material development in the United States was “an economic system which is heartless." That's effectively what Obama and his socialist associates keep saying about America. That we lack *empathy*.

And he wrote "it is easy to make socialism, as theoretically developed by the greater and saner socialistic writers, intelligible not only, but even attractive, as a conception” and “the only hard task is to give [socialism] validity and strength as a program in practical politics.” In short, he wanted to build a socialist society ... but just call it a democracy. And that's exactly what current democrats are busy doing.

Now you might be thinking … but Wilson actually ran against a declared socialist (Eugene Debs) on one occasion! How could he therefore be a socialist at heart? Perhaps it would help you understand, if you thought of "progressives" and "socialists" as two competing branches of the same group. They both basically believed the same essential things. Wanted the same essential things. They just had slightly different ideas of how to get there. One wanted "change" now and was willing to admit to being socialist. The other (the progressives) wanted to call this a democracy and take a more gradual, long term approach to the same eventual solution. They are the Fabians.

Who are some other notable and influential democrats influenced by Fabian thinking?

George Foster Peabody, first director of the Federal Reserve Bank in New York in 1914, wrote "I have always been most sympathetic to individual Socialist aspirations. I have particularly observed the Fabian System of England with hopeful anticipations." Peabody is the man who helped set up the General Education Board created by John D Rockefeller in 1910 to affect education policy in the US. So they were focused on controlling education very early.

John Maynard Keynes, whose economics FDR promoted/enacted, and who Obama and his supporters idolize and used to justify the Stimulus boondoggle, was a Fabian socialist (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/TUkeynes.htm).

Eleanor Roosevelt, who was already active in the Social Justice Movement when she met FDR, took her husband to lunch with Sidney and Beatrice Webb while on their honeymoon in 1905. And look what FDR eventually did?

As you can clearly see, it's easy to show that the Fabian Society had it's tentacles spreading into America years and years ago and hasn't stopped spreading them since. One could go on and on noting prominent left leaning Americans who were either Fabian socialists or very closely associated with them.

Who do you think was Bill Clinton's mentor was during his Rhodes scholarship at Oxford? Carroll Quigley, a man who wrote a book in 1966 which attempted to make light of what he referred to as the "wild-eyed and bushy-haired theoreticians of Socialist Harvard and the London School of Economics”, much like you are attempting. But his book was just deception to make people ignore Fabian socialists and what they were busy doing. Which is spreading socialism. Clinton went to Rhodes for a reason. To surround himself with Fabians. And he picked a good place. It was William T. Stead, a Fabian Society member, who organized the famous Round Table Groups for Rhodes when he started his Scholarship program.

And in the latest adminstration, George Soros, Obama's primary backer, is a Fabian socialist who attended the LSE. Peter Rouse, Obama's Chief of Staff, is a Fabian … who attended the LSE. And what Obama is doing is acting very much in the manner one would expect from a Fabian socialist.

What do you think the Cloward Piven Strategy is other than Fabian Socialist thinking. It was and is a gradualist approach that would takes many years to impliment ... and Obama was a student of that approach. How much do you know about the Cloward Piven Strategy, Johnny? Maybe that is something you should read: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/A...0Poverty2.html if you really want to see an unholy alliance of leftists in action and what they've been planning for decades.

So... what geni said.

[TheRedWorm]

Originally Posted by Redtail

So... what geni said.

Because, why use 5 words when 1300 takes longer?

[KoihimeNakamura]

And you can paint such a dark picture doing so with 1300.

[Halcyon Dayz]

Basically, a bunch of champagne socialists.

[drewid]

Quote:

LSE was founded with money "in trust for 'propaganda and other purposes of the said [Fabian] Society and its Socialism and towards advancing its objects in any way they [the trustees] deem advisable'".

Given the various politicians that have come through the LSE, that clearly isn't working.

[marplots]

Originally Posted by drewid

Given the various politicians that have come through the LSE, that clearly isn't working.

Well, you can't really believe an organization would stay true to its founding principles after more than a hundred years... unless...(wait for it)... you mean the Illuminati!

[Alareth]

Originally Posted by BeAChooser

*snip* lots of words

I've got to tell you, I may not agree with ANYTHING BAC has ever posted, but I'm impressed with his ability to throw out walls of text at the drop of a hat.

His screeds are wonders of volume if not content.

[drewid]

There may well be a law at work there.
Volume of text is inversely proportional to value of content.

[Aitch]

Originally Posted by Halcyon Dayz

Basically, a bunch of champagne socialists.

Never got the point of this insult.

I'm basically socialist. I like champagne. So what?

This is nice, too. Even my mum liked it and she tended more to the whisky and lemonade (yuck!) end of the spectrum.

[brodski]

I know for a fact that the Fabian Society couldn't organise a pissup at a party conference (I was there), the idea that they are some sinister facet of the illuminti is well, see post 6.

If anyone remembers Jerome Da Gnome, his big conspiracy theory (which he usually only hinted at) was based on the idea that the Fabians were controlling society.
That always gave me a chuckle.

[uk_dave]

Originally Posted by Alareth

I've got to tell you, I may not agree with ANYTHING BAC has ever posted, but I'm impressed with his ability to throw out walls of text at the drop of a hat.

His screeds are wonders of volume if not content.

The devil makes work for idle hands.

[BeAChooser]

Ever heard of the Fabian Window?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Window

Quote:

The stained glass window was designed by George Bernard Shaw in 1910 as a commemoration of the Fabian Society, and shows fellow Society members Sidney Webb and Edward R. Pease, among others, helping to build 'the new world'.

George Bernard Shaw was an earlier Fabian member and one of the people who founded the London School of Economics using money left to the Fabian Society by Henry Hutchinson. The window is displayed at the London School of Economics. Here's an image of it:



Notice the Fabian Society's official coat of arms, which is located between the two men (Webb and Pease) who are busy hammering a globe of the world? It portrays a wolf … in sheep's clothing. It's most appropriate.

Indeed, the name "Fabian" was chosen because Roman general Fabius practiced the art of out-waiting Hannibal. And that's just what the Fabian Socialists have successfully done the last 100 years.

[BeAChooser]

Here's how Harry W. Laidler described Fabian Socialism in his 1968 book "History of Socialism: A Comparative Survey of Socialism, Communism, Trade Unionism, Cooperation, Utopianism, and Other Systems of Reform and Reconstruction":

Quote:

It was in England (1865-1885)...that Fabian socialism developed, as a flexible school of socialist thought. It therefore differed in a number of respects from Marxian socialism, formulated during the revolutionary period of the late forties (1840’s). Adapting itself to these changed conditions, Fabian socialism regarded the transition from capitalism to socialism as a gradual process; looked forward to the socialization of industry by the peaceful economic and political agencies already at hand; saw in the middle class a group that could be utilized in developing the technique of administration in behalf of the new social order; and felt that an important step in the attainment of socialism was the arousing of the social conscience of the community in favor of the socialist ideal.

Why that sounds a lot like what Obama is now busy doing, doesn't it?

[angrysoba]

Originally Posted by Halcyon Dayz

Basically, a bunch of champagne socialists.

What he said. Except it was England so there was no champagne. Just ginger beer.

[BeAChooser]

Ever hear of Stuart Chase? He was a Fabian Socialist. A rather important one.

He wrote a book in 1931 titled "A New Deal", which outlined the ideal government. The first sentence of the book declares "John Maynard Keynes tells us that in one hundred years there will be no economic problem.” The last sentence of the book is “Why should Russians have all the fun of remaking a world?” (He admired the Soviet planned economy.)

And between those two lines he suggested this:

Quote:

Best of all, the new regime [a Fabian Socialist regime] would have the clearest idea of what an economic system was for. The sixteen methods of becoming wealthy would be proscribed (punished)--by firing squad if necessary--ceasing to plague the orderly process of production and distribution. The whole vicious pecuniary complex would collapse as it has in Russia. Money-making as a career would no more occur to a respectable young man than burglary, forgery, or embezzlement.

Do you understand that in the above Chase was advocating a reign of terror against sixteen types of capitalists via firing squad? So you can see, this was an extremely hardcore socialist. So shouldn't it be mildly surprising to learn that FDR just a decade later named Chase to his National Resources Commission during … guess what he called it … The New Deal?

And you folks want to us to believe that Fabian Socialists had no impact on America?

In 1942, Chase wrote a book "The Road We Are Traveling" in which he spelled out the system of planning the Fabians had in mind for all of us. Here are the key parts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Chase ):

Quote:

1. A strong, centralized government.
2. An executive arm growing at the expense of the legislative and judicial arms.
3. The control of banking, credit and security exchanges by the government.
4. The underwriting of employment by the government, either through armaments or public works.
5. The underwriting of social security by the government – old-age pensions, mothers’ pensions, unemployment insurance, and the like.
6. The underwriting of food, housing, and medical care, by the government.
7. The use of deficit spending to finance these underwritings.
8. The abandonment of gold in favor of managed currencies.
9. The control of foreign trade by the government.
10. The control of natural resources.
11. The control of energy sources.
12. The control of transportation.
13. The control of agricultural production.
14. The control of labor organizations.
15. The enlistment of young men and women in youth corps devoted to health, discipline,community service and ideologies consistent with those of the authorities.
16. Heavy taxation, with special emphasis on the estates and incomes of the rich.
17. Control of industry without ownership.
18. State control of communications and propaganda.

Now given that, and what you see has happened in America since 1942, try to convince me that Fabians haven't had and aren't still having a profound influence on America.

Go ahead, JREFers. Try to do that … instead of hiding from what I'm posting by labeling it a wall of text or derailing the topic to champagne and beer.

[ANTPogo]

Originally Posted by BeAChooser

Now given that, and what you see has happened in America since 1942, try to convince me that Fabians haven't had and aren't still having a profound influence on America.

I still weep for all those many, many capitalists executed by firing squad in America, since Roosevelt's New Deal destroyed our great nation back in 1931.

[BeAChooser]

ANTPogo ...

http://www.ostrichheadinsand.com/ima...ad_in_sand.jpg

[Redtail]

Originally Posted by BeAChooser

Ever hear of Stuart Chase? He was a Fabian Socialist. A rather important one.

He wrote a book in 1931 titled "A New Deal", which outlined the ideal government. The first sentence of the book declares "John Maynard Keynes tells us that in one hundred years there will be no economic problem.” The last sentence of the book is “Why should Russians have all the fun of remaking a world?” (He admired the Soviet planned economy.)

And between those two lines he suggested this:




Do you understand that in the above Chase was advocating a reign of terror against sixteen types of capitalists via firing squad? So you can see, this was an extremely hardcore socialist. So shouldn't it be mildly surprising to learn that FDR just a decade later named Chase to his National Resources Commission during … guess what he called it … The New Deal?

And you folks want to us to believe that Fabian Socialists had no impact on America?

In 1942, Chase wrote a book "The Road We Are Traveling" in which he spelled out the system of planning the Fabians had in mind for all of us. Here are the key parts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Chase ):



Now given that, and what you see has happened in America since 1942, try to convince me that Fabians haven't had and aren't still having a profound influence on America.

Go ahead, JREFers. Try to do that … instead of hiding from what I'm posting by labeling it a wall of text or derailing the topic to champagne and beer.

Ok, so they have already won & there is nothing you can do about it.

[brodski]

All Hail Beatrice Potter! First secret female president of the USA!

[Myron Proudfoot]

Originally Posted by brodski

All Hail Beatrice Potter! First secret female president of the USA!

That explains the bunnies with pants and pocket watches on the Great Seal of the US...

[ApolloGnomon]

Originally Posted by Aitch

Never got the point of this insult.

I'm basically socialist. I like champagne. So what?

This is nice, too. Even my mum liked it and she tended more to the whisky and lemonade (yuck!) end of the spectrum.

The intention is to suggest hypocrisy. Socialists, in the minds of some, would eschew all luxury and wallow in working-class poverty, rather than enjoying the luxuries of the Bourgeoisie. The implied contradiction is that if you can afford to enjoy Champagne, you must not be a very stringent Socialist.

The term Champagne Socialist is often used to describe those who pretend to be Socialist for the shallowest of reasons.

A similar contemporary term is "LandRover Liberal."

[BeAChooser]

Originally Posted by Redtail

Ok, so they have already won & there is nothing you can do about it.

Are you admitting that there really was a *conspiracy*?

[brodski]

Originally Posted by BeAChooser

Are you admitting that there really was a *conspiracy*?

yes and it has catapulted the USA to becoming an incredibly prosperous world power, yet you oppose it. Why to you hate America?

[Piscivore]

Originally Posted by BeAChooser

15. The enlistment of young men and women in youth corps devoted to health, discipline,community service and ideologies consistent with those of the authorities.

I thought it was the Right that was a big fan of the Boy Scouts?

[BeAChooser]

Originally Posted by ApolloGnomon

The term Champagne Socialist is often used to describe those who pretend to be Socialist for the shallowest of reasons.

You mean like Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the socialist head of the International Monetary Fund, who felt compelled to stay in a $3000 a night hotel room while visiting the US?

And bringing this back to the OP topic, I should point out that DSK must think highly of the Fabian Socialists. In February (http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/pr/2011/pr1155.htm ) he proposed the appointment of Ms. Nemat Shafik to the position of Deputy Managing Director of the IMF. Ms Shafik earned her degrees from the London School of Economics and the Oxford University, which both, as noted earlier, have strong connections to the Fabian Society.

And here's (http://www.offshoreannouncements.com...9140BC9DFB.pdf ) another LSE graduate that DSK has appointed to a high position within the IMF. His name is Siddharth Tiwari. In addition to his LSE degree, he also got doctorate in economics from … where else … that American bastion of socialism … the University of Chicago (you know, the one near Obama's old stomping grounds).

[BeAChooser]

Originally Posted by Piscivore

I thought it was the Right that was a big fan of the Boy Scouts?

That's not about the Boy Scouts. That's about government funded organizations like Americorps, of which Obama is a HUGE fan.

Don't you remember Obama saying that "As President, I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots", a THREE-FOLD increase in the size of AmeriCorps' staff?

And if you think Americorps isn't about indoctrinating our youth in socialist thinking, then you haven't been paying attention AT ALL.

[Piscivore]

Originally Posted by BeAChooser

That's not about the Boy Scouts. That's about government funded organizations like Americorps, of which Obama is a HUGE fan.

Don't you remember Obama saying that "As President, I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots", a THREE-FOLD increase in the size of AmeriCorps' staff?

And if you think Americorps isn't about indoctrinating our youth in socialist thinking, then you haven't been paying attention AT ALL.

Um... how is Americorps a "youth corps"?

"Each year, AmeriCorps offers 75,000 opportunities for adults of all ages and backgrounds to serve through a network of partnerships with local and national nonprofit groups. "

[BeAChooser]

Originally Posted by Piscivore

Um... how is Americorps a "youth corps"?"

So you don't think 18-25 year olds are "young men and women" as Chase called them?

Or perhaps you have to actually see the word "youth" in writing?

For example ...

http://www.nwyouthcorps.org/americor..._programs.html

Quote:

All NYC - AmeriCorps Programs

Oregon Volunteers - Developing Youth, Empowering Communities

And notice that AmeriCorps program is even called the "Northwest YOUTH CORP".

Or how about the Rocky Mountain YOUTH CORP, another AmeriCorps program: http://youthcorps.org/.

I think that image I linked to ANTpogo should be linked to you too.

[Piscivore]

Originally Posted by BeAChooser

So you don't think 18-25 year olds are "young men and women" as Chase called them?

Or perhaps you have to actually see the word "youth" in writing?

For example ...

http://www.nwyouthcorps.org/americor..._programs.html



And notice that AmeriCorps program is even called the "Northwest YOUTH CORP".

Or how about the Rocky Mountain YOUTH CORP, another AmeriCorps program: http://youthcorps.org/.

I think that image I linked to ANTpogo should be linked to you too.

If bird-related insults are the thing now, watching you run around like Chicken Little is hilarious.

[ANTPogo]

So, to sum up, the Fabian Society is plotting to destroy America and institute Socialism via firing squads to execute capitalists, and you know this because some economics graduates of Oxford and the University of Chicago are sometimes employed in economics-related positions. Oh, and they totally give the conspiracy away via symbolism in a stained-glass window that you've decoded the true meaning of, Dan-Brown-style. Plus, Americorps is totally the Young Pioneers or something.

Can someone please point out where this "conspiracy" a) makes a single lick of logical sense, and b) isn't the Worst Socialist Conspiracy Ever because, despite all these Fabians being in such high level political and economic positions both in the US and worldwide for the past eighty years, right now the level of income disparity in America is among the highest in the world. Which is kinda the exact opposite of the result you'd expect from Socialist Conspirators being in Secret Control of Everything for almost a century.

Thanks.

[BeAChooser]

Originally Posted by Piscivore

If bird-related insults are the thing now, watching you run around like Chicken Little is hilarious.

Not half as hilarious as watching you claim AmeriCorp has nothing to do with youth.

[BeAChooser]

ANTPogo ...

I see you are putting it deeper.

http://psychmatters.files.wordpress....0/10/sand1.gif

[ANTPogo]

Originally Posted by BeAChooser

ANTPogo ...

I see you are putting it deeper.

http://psychmatters.files.wordpress....0/10/sand1.gif

So, is that "No, I can't explain why this 80-year-old Socialist Conspiracy of economics school graduates who have been appointed to some of the most powerful economics positions in the US and internationally has resulted in the US becoming one of the least socialist nations on the planet"?

[angrysoba]

Originally Posted by ANTPogo

So, is that "No, I can't explain why this 80-year-old Socialist Conspiracy of economics school graduates who have been appointed to some of the most powerful economics positions in the US and internationally has resulted in the US becoming one of the least socialist nations on the planet"?

Don't you seeeeeee? It's the long-term deception plan... Remember that card-carrying Communist Eisenhower only appeared non-Communist and the Soviet Union only appeared to dismantle itself and eschew Communism. Meanwhile, just as everyone thinks Communism is quite dead, the Communists are getting ready to convert the whole world, suddenly (or extremely slowly) to Communism.

There's none so blind as he or she who wouldn't see the Communists.