"Mass Sighting Of UFO Fleet Over Tokyo"

Puppycow · 18th May 2011, 08:41 PM

Found this on Google News:
Mass Sighting Of UFO Fleet Over Tokyo

Quote:

The following video was shot in Kita-Shinjuku, Tokyo. It shows what appears to be multiple UFOs gliding above the skies of Tokyo. What’s interesting is that this was a mass sighting. Many residents all saw these multi-colored objects as they changed formations and seemed to fly at a very fast speed.

I’m all for the theory that these could be weather balloons or lanterns but in this video, the UFOs appears to change colors and move in strange formations at an incredible speed.

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Looks like balloons, which do not change color, move in any kind formation except a random cluster, or move at incredible speed.

MG1962 · 18th May 2011, 08:43 PM

Finally Godzilla decides to turn up

AdMan · 18th May 2011, 08:46 PM

Not sure what video they were watching, but the balloons didn't quite appear to be changing colors, and the only reason they looked like they were moving "in strange formations at an incredible speed" was because they didn't have a tripod to hold the camera steady.

Looks like they were simply blowing in the wind to me.

Aepervius · 18th May 2011, 09:26 PM

As usual with UFO description, then description is exciting, and the film disappoint. Looking at the cloud as reference, the white dot move rapidely. But since their altitude is *unknown* it could be high altitude extreme speed, or low altitude baloon with a good wind. But yeah no formation, no color changing at least in the video.

My hypothese : if somebody check there has been a helium balloon release (maybe for a mariage?) somewhere in the other side of tokyo.

Alan · 18th May 2011, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Aepervius

As usual with UFO description, then description is exciting, and the film disappoint. Looking at the cloud as reference, the white dot move rapidely. But since their altitude is *unknown* it could be high altitude extreme speed, or low altitude baloon with a good wind. But yeah no formation, no color changing at least in the video.

My hypothese : if somebody check there has been a helium balloon release (maybe for a mariage?) somewhere in the other side of tokyo.

Perhaps the aliens were celebrating a wedding.

kitakaze · 18th May 2011, 09:59 PM

I'll translate the audio...

First few seconds the woman is shouting for someone she is with to call someone else because there are UFO's. At the 12 second mark she screams at the objects that Japan is in trouble as a joke. At 17 seconds a younger girl says she can't see anything. At 23 seconds the first woman says it's the first time she's seen a UFO. At 28 seconds another woman says there are so many. The last thing we here is the main woman shouting "No way! Yes!"

I'm tempted to agree with released balloons, but the more I look at it, the weirder it is. They really do seem to be moving too fast for balloons. I was thinking maybe birds, but at the end of the video you can see a few groups of twos get closer to each other and then farther.

Check out this stabilized version...

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We must call in the military!

Aepervius · 18th May 2011, 10:01 PM

Soooo. How do I volunteer for the japanese army ?

Aepervius · 18th May 2011, 10:03 PM

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When linking YT put only the p0GNVuK8HEU in YT tag.

Aepervius · 18th May 2011, 10:15 PM

you cannot say how quick they are. You don't know the altitude, the zoom, and the speed of the local wind. Let us look if the explanation is consistent with low altitude baloon : Looking at the assumed size of the baloon (33 cm) the apparent size is about 1 pixel, could be compression artifact, measuring the distance of 1 specific baloon is 90 pixels over 6 seconds or 15 pixels per seconds. Error bars are probably around +/- 10 pixels.

Assuming 1 pixel=baloon size = 33 cm we then get 5 meter per seconds (18 km.h +/- 2kmh)
Assuming 1/2 pixel=baloon size = ~15 cm we then get ~10 meter per seconds (36 km.h +/- 4 kmh)
Assuming 1/4 pixel=baloon size = ~15 cm we then get ~20 meter per seconds (72 km.h +/- 6 kmh)

Could be compression artifact but I see the balloon as about 1 to 1.5 pixels to more of the first case.

You would have to pretend the baloon are much smaller than 1/4 pixel to egt high speed.

Naturally all the bet are off if that is not baloon but 10 meter UFO at high altitude.

but the explanation are consistent with low speed baloon.

In the "screenshot" below I took red line for a group of 3 white pixel on the left side. then superposed as good as I could the picture using clouds as reference.

ETA: naturally those are pixel photo calculation with comrpession artifact so make that of what you will.

kitakaze · 18th May 2011, 10:17 PM

Thanks for the correction, Aep. I forgot to paste only the video code. It looks very much like balloons, but does seem rather fast. The balloons could have been released from Shinjuku Park, Yoyogi Park or the Meiji Jingu shrine next to it. It may well have been for a fundraiser or a wedding or whatever.

Aepervius · 18th May 2011, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by kitakaze

Thanks for the correction, Aep. I forgot to paste only the video code. It looks very much like balloons, but does seem rather fast. The balloons could have been released from Shinjuku Park, Yoyogi Park or the Meiji Jingu shrine next to it. It may well have been for a fundraiser or a wedding or whatever.

I dunno. From the calculation I made, if really each pixels is an apparent 33 cm, then 20 kmh at msot isn't that fast. I have seen faster birds in the sky.

Gawdzilla · 19th May 2011, 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by MG1962

Finally Godzilla decides to turn up

Sorry, I was in Afghanistan at that time.

Mojo · 19th May 2011, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by AdMan

Looks like they were simply blowing in the wind to me.

That could well be the answer.

Captain_Swoop · 19th May 2011, 02:59 AM

So they are the answer?

Oops Mojo beat me to it

mushy · 19th May 2011, 03:14 AM

In this thread skeptics laugh off claims that the objects were travelling fast as "there is no way they could have known" then proceed to come to the conclusion that is was balloons blowing in the wind.

Ufo guy makes a claim with no evidence = mocking
Skeptics make a claim with no evidence = fact.

This place is a joke.

Aepervius · 19th May 2011, 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by mushy

In this thread skeptics laugh off claims that the objects were travelling fast as "there is no way they could have known" then proceed to come to the conclusion that is was balloons blowing in the wind.

Ufo guy makes a claim with no evidence = mocking
Skeptics make a claim with no evidence = fact.

This place is a joke.

You read whatever to feed your own prejudice.

If you had read properly you would have read the following disclaimer:

"You don't know the altitude"
"Naturally all the bet are off if that is not baloon but 10 meter UFO at high altitude.
but the explanation are consistent with low speed baloon. "

Which completely deflate your argument like a pierced balloon.

The fact is, we only know the apparent speed without knowing the object size or altitude, nothing can be concluded. But we can check if some scenario are consistent with what is filmed. Which I have done with balloon at low altitude. There was no "conclusion".

So the biggest joke is actually on you, because you errected inexistant strawmen to burn.

Travis · 19th May 2011, 03:37 AM

Where was the "mocking"?

Puppycow · 19th May 2011, 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by mushy

In this thread skeptics laugh off claims that the objects were travelling fast as "there is no way they could have known" then proceed to come to the conclusion that is was balloons blowing in the wind.

Ufo guy makes a claim with no evidence = mocking
Skeptics make a claim with no evidence = fact.

This place is a joke.

There is evidence for both claims. The dispute is which cliam is best supported by the evidence. Alien spacecraft is an extraordinary claim. Balloons are an ordinary claim.

Correa Neto · 19th May 2011, 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by MG1962

Finally Godzilla decides to turn up

Not yet.

Acording to the prophecy, first the aliens show up, summon daikaijus of all sorts and then the s-word hits the fan when they rampage through major cities.

Only then Gojira shows itself to kick butt (tails, actually).

mushy · 19th May 2011, 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

There is evidence for both claims. The dispute is which cliam is best supported by the evidence. Alien spacecraft is an extraordinary claim. Balloons are an ordinary claim.

Nobody mentioned Alien spacecraft. They said UFOs.

mushy · 19th May 2011, 04:03 AM

Aep. I was talking about this post

Quote:

Not sure what video they were watching, but the balloons didn't quite appear to be changing colors, and the only reason they looked like they were moving "in strange formations at an incredible speed" was because they didn't have a tripod to hold the camera steady.

Why did none of you skeptics demand evidence for these claims?

Mojo · 19th May 2011, 04:08 AM

Originally Posted by mushy

Nobody mentioned Alien spacecraft. They said UFOs.

Hold the front page! Something that hasn't been positively dentified was seen in the sky!

Aepervius · 19th May 2011, 04:11 AM

Originally Posted by mushy

Aep. I was talking about this post

Why did none of you skeptics demand evidence for these claims?

Because if you replace balloon by UFO, it read the same and is factually correct.

The pixels/object do not go in formation, do not change color, and as said above you can't estimate the speed this is all 3 factually correct.

Now you can say the eprson should have used "object" instead of baloon but the rest stands.

Puppycow · 19th May 2011, 04:11 AM

Originally Posted by mushy

Nobody mentioned Alien spacecraft. They said UFOs.

Fine. Balloons vs. UFOs that change colors and move at incredible speeds.

Aepervius · 19th May 2011, 04:12 AM

Originally Posted by Mojo

Hold the front page! Something that hasn't been positively dentified was seen in the sky!

That is a very well tooth-out argument.

Correa Neto · 19th May 2011, 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by kitakaze

Thanks for the correction, Aep. I forgot to paste only the video code. It looks very much like balloons, but does seem rather fast. The balloons could have been released from Shinjuku Park, Yoyogi Park or the Meiji Jingu shrine next to it. It may well have been for a fundraiser or a wedding or whatever.

Its quite likely an illusion, a matter of perspective. Your brain is using the clouds as refference (static) point in the absence of something better. Since the clouds are higher and being blown by the wind, you get the impression of fast moving objects.

Baloons would be the best option. Birds such as storks, I guess, would also be possible, but I believe (based on my anecdotal experience) the flapping of wings would be detectable as variations on the brightness.

This type of illusion can give the impression that static objetcs, such as stars, for example, are moving.

The fact that some people will claim this could be something non-mundane is actually sad, since it exposes how ignorant and gullible we can be.

mushy · 19th May 2011, 04:36 AM

Originally Posted by Mojo

Hold the front page! Something that hasn't been positively dentified was seen in the sky!

Something that apparently moves at high speeds and changes colour. Kind of renders your point moot. Does not have to be a ufo to be interesting. Thats your bais coming though.

Marduk · 19th May 2011, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by Correa Neto

The fact that some people will claim this could be something non-mundane is actually sad, since it exposes how ignorant and gullible we they can be.

ftfy

Originally Posted by mushy

Something that apparently moves at high speeds and changes colour.

can you tell me what colours they change to, I'm not seeing it and now am worried I might need glasses
thanks

mushy · 19th May 2011, 04:38 AM

Quote:

the only reason they looked like they were moving "in strange formations at an incredible speed" was because they didn't have a tripod to hold the camera steady.

This is claimed as fact, and is not. He cannot prove this claim.

Quote:

the balloons didn't quite appear to be changing colors,

A youtube video is hardly a good place to observe something so small.

Gawdzilla · 19th May 2011, 04:42 AM

#1: "Look up in the sky!"

#2: "It's bird!"

#3: "It's a plane!"

#4: "It's a balloon!"

#5: "It's a flight of extraterrestrial spacecraft who have come to Earth to shepherd us into a new age of enlightenment and peace through the study and use of pancake batter as a hair dressing!"

#'s 1-4: "How did we miss that? Boy, do we feel silly! Good catch, #5!"

mushy · 19th May 2011, 04:44 AM

Originally Posted by Marduk

ftfy

can you tell me what colours they change to, I'm not seeing it and now am worried I might need glasses
thanks

I didnt say it changed colour.

Marduk · 19th May 2011, 04:44 AM

how would the objects changing colour indicate something non mundane ?
anyone
I'm missing something here
????

mushy · 19th May 2011, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by Gawdzilla

#1: "Look up in the sky!"

#2: "It's bird!"

#3: "It's a plane!"

#4: "It's a balloon!"

#5: "It's a flight of extraterrestrial spacecraft who have come to Earth to shepherd us into a new age of enlightenment and peace through the study and use of pancake batter as a hair dressing!"

#'s 1-4: "How did we miss that? Boy, do we feel silly! Good catch, #5!"

#6 "Why can your mind only comprehend 5 possabilities?"

Gawdzilla · 19th May 2011, 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by mushy

#6 "Why can your mind only comprehend 5 possabilities?"

#7: That's just a government plan to distract us from the REAL ALIENS.

mushy · 19th May 2011, 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by Marduk

how would the objects changing colour indicate something non mundane ?
anyone
I'm missing something here
????

Name me some Planes or animals that change colour while flying.

Marduk · 19th May 2011, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by mushy

#6 "Why can your mind only comprehend 5 possabilities?"

7. its a sky lantern that changes colour possibly ?

mushy · 19th May 2011, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by Gawdzilla

#7: That's just a government plan to distract us from the REAL ALIENS.

#8: Hey, #6 didnt say anything about real aliens. Thats you making up your own story to react too.

Marduk · 19th May 2011, 04:56 AM

Originally Posted by mushy

Name me some Planes or animals that change colour while flying.

You can buy balloons that change colour, theyre helium instead of candle powered and they are fitted with a colour changing light emitting diode

Quote:

Wholesale - LED multi-color Latex Balloon Light, wedding, party, holiday, birthday,Christmas Lights Features
1.The main materials: latex balloon,LED light
2.Balloons color:Red, purple, pink, baby blue, orange, green, white(If you do not specify the color of the balloon, the default send all kinds of different colors of balloons products)
3.Inflated balloon diameter 35CM
4. The LED light can change color
5.Power: AG13 fastener batteries (It can be replaced after be used up)
6.Adjust the switch, you can choose to Slow Blink,Fast Blink,Constant On
7.Wonderful decorations wedding, party, holiday, birthday, Christmas etc..
8.No-fire, smoke-free, safe and environment-friendly.

http://www.sky-lanterns-cn.com/led.html

good enough ?

Ethan Thane Athen · 19th May 2011, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by mushy

Name me some Planes or animals that change colour while flying.

Anything if they turn, bank whatever and the light catches them differently....especially anything white.

Gawdzilla · 19th May 2011, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by mushy

#8: Hey, #6 didnt say anything about real aliens. Thats you making up your own story to react too.

#9: That's allowed under "Hey, what's that, it's an alien spaceship!" rules.

18th May 2011, 10:17 PM	#10
kitakaze Resident DJ/NSA Supermole Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Behind the decks in Tokyo, Japan/Victoria, Canada Posts: 9,461	Thanks for the correction, Aep. I forgot to paste only the video code. It looks very much like balloons, but does seem rather fast. The balloons could have been released from Shinjuku Park, Yoyogi Park or the Meiji Jingu shrine next to it. It may well have been for a fundraiser or a wedding or whatever.
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18th May 2011, 10:24 PM	#11
Aepervius Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bierland. I mean , germany. Posts: 7,756	Originally Posted by kitakaze Thanks for the correction, Aep. I forgot to paste only the video code. It looks very much like balloons, but does seem rather fast. The balloons could have been released from Shinjuku Park, Yoyogi Park or the Meiji Jingu shrine next to it. It may well have been for a fundraiser or a wedding or whatever. I dunno. From the calculation I made, if really each pixels is an apparent 33 cm, then 20 kmh at msot isn't that fast. I have seen faster birds in the sky.
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19th May 2011, 02:19 AM	#12
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19th May 2011, 02:39 AM	#13
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,090	Originally Posted by AdMan Looks like they were simply blowing in the wind to me. That could well be the answer.
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19th May 2011, 03:14 AM	#15
mushy Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 626	In this thread skeptics laugh off claims that the objects were travelling fast as "there is no way they could have known" then proceed to come to the conclusion that is was balloons blowing in the wind. Ufo guy makes a claim with no evidence = mocking Skeptics make a claim with no evidence = fact. This place is a joke.
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18th May 2011, 08:43 PM	#2
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18th May 2011, 08:46 PM	#3
AdMan Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 7,184	Not sure what video they were watching, but the balloons didn't quite appear to be changing colors, and the only reason they looked like they were moving "in strange formations at an incredible speed" was because they didn't have a tripod to hold the camera steady. Looks like they were simply blowing in the wind to me.
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18th May 2011, 09:26 PM	#4
Aepervius Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bierland. I mean , germany. Posts: 7,756	As usual with UFO description, then description is exciting, and the film disappoint. Looking at the cloud as reference, the white dot move rapidely. But since their altitude is unknown it could be high altitude extreme speed, or low altitude baloon with a good wind. But yeah no formation, no color changing at least in the video. My hypothese : if somebody check there has been a helium balloon release (maybe for a mariage?) somewhere in the other side of tokyo.
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18th May 2011, 09:45 PM	#5
Alan Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,652	Originally Posted by Aepervius As usual with UFO description, then description is exciting, and the film disappoint. Looking at the cloud as reference, the white dot move rapidely. But since their altitude is unknown it could be high altitude extreme speed, or low altitude baloon with a good wind. But yeah no formation, no color changing at least in the video. My hypothese : if somebody check there has been a helium balloon release (maybe for a mariage?) somewhere in the other side of tokyo. Perhaps the aliens were celebrating a wedding.

18th May 2011, 10:01 PM	#7
Aepervius Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bierland. I mean , germany. Posts: 7,756	Soooo. How do I volunteer for the japanese army ?
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18th May 2011, 10:15 PM	#9
Aepervius Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bierland. I mean , germany. Posts: 7,756	you cannot say how quick they are. You don't know the altitude, the zoom, and the speed of the local wind. Let us look if the explanation is consistent with low altitude baloon : Looking at the assumed size of the baloon (33 cm) the apparent size is about 1 pixel, could be compression artifact, measuring the distance of 1 specific baloon is 90 pixels over 6 seconds or 15 pixels per seconds. Error bars are probably around +/- 10 pixels. Assuming 1 pixel=baloon size = 33 cm we then get 5 meter per seconds (18 km.h +/- 2kmh) Assuming 1/2 pixel=baloon size = ~15 cm we then get ~10 meter per seconds (36 km.h +/- 4 kmh) Assuming 1/4 pixel=baloon size = ~15 cm we then get ~20 meter per seconds (72 km.h +/- 6 kmh) Could be compression artifact but I see the balloon as about 1 to 1.5 pixels to more of the first case. You would have to pretend the baloon are much smaller than 1/4 pixel to egt high speed. Naturally all the bet are off if that is not baloon but 10 meter UFO at high altitude. but the explanation are consistent with low speed baloon. In the "screenshot" below I took red line for a group of 3 white pixel on the left side. then superposed as good as I could the picture using clouds as reference. ETA: naturally those are pixel photo calculation with comrpession artifact so make that of what you will.
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19th May 2011, 02:59 AM	#14
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19th May 2011, 03:32 AM	#16
Aepervius Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bierland. I mean , germany. Posts: 7,756	Originally Posted by mushy In this thread skeptics laugh off claims that the objects were travelling fast as "there is no way they could have known" then proceed to come to the conclusion that is was balloons blowing in the wind. Ufo guy makes a claim with no evidence = mocking Skeptics make a claim with no evidence = fact. This place is a joke. You read whatever to feed your own prejudice. If you had read properly you would have read the following disclaimer: "You don't know the altitude" "Naturally all the bet are off if that is not baloon but 10 meter UFO at high altitude. but the explanation are consistent with low speed baloon. " Which completely deflate your argument like a pierced balloon. The fact is, we only know the apparent speed without knowing the object size or altitude, nothing can be concluded. But we can check if some scenario are consistent with what is filmed. Which I have done with balloon at low altitude. There was no "conclusion". So the biggest joke is actually on you, because you errected inexistant strawmen to burn.
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19th May 2011, 03:37 AM	#17
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19th May 2011, 03:40 AM	#18
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 15,764	Originally Posted by mushy In this thread skeptics laugh off claims that the objects were travelling fast as "there is no way they could have known" then proceed to come to the conclusion that is was balloons blowing in the wind. Ufo guy makes a claim with no evidence = mocking Skeptics make a claim with no evidence = fact. This place is a joke. There is evidence for both claims. The dispute is which cliam is best supported by the evidence. Alien spacecraft is an extraordinary claim. Balloons are an ordinary claim.
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19th May 2011, 03:52 AM	#19
Correa Neto Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Hunting rocks somewhere in Brazil Posts: 7,176	Originally Posted by MG1962 Finally Godzilla decides to turn up Not yet. Acording to the prophecy, first the aliens show up, summon daikaijus of all sorts and then the s-word hits the fan when they rampage through major cities. Only then Gojira shows itself to kick butt (tails, actually).
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19th May 2011, 03:59 AM	#20
mushy Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 626	Originally Posted by Puppycow There is evidence for both claims. The dispute is which cliam is best supported by the evidence. Alien spacecraft is an extraordinary claim. Balloons are an ordinary claim. Nobody mentioned Alien spacecraft. They said UFOs.
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19th May 2011, 04:03 AM	#21
mushy Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 626	Aep. I was talking about this post Quote: Not sure what video they were watching, but the balloons didn't quite appear to be changing colors, and the only reason they looked like they were moving "in strange formations at an incredible speed" was because they didn't have a tripod to hold the camera steady. Why did none of you skeptics demand evidence for these claims?
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19th May 2011, 04:08 AM	#22
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,090	Originally Posted by mushy Nobody mentioned Alien spacecraft. They said UFOs. Hold the front page! Something that hasn't been positively dentified was seen in the sky!
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19th May 2011, 04:11 AM	#23
Aepervius Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bierland. I mean , germany. Posts: 7,756	Originally Posted by mushy Aep. I was talking about this post Why did none of you skeptics demand evidence for these claims? Because if you replace balloon by UFO, it read the same and is factually correct. The pixels/object do not go in formation, do not change color, and as said above you can't estimate the speed this is all 3 factually correct. Now you can say the eprson should have used "object" instead of baloon but the rest stands.
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19th May 2011, 04:12 AM	#25
Aepervius Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bierland. I mean , germany. Posts: 7,756	Originally Posted by Mojo Hold the front page! Something that hasn't been positively dentified was seen in the sky! That is a very well tooth-out argument.
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19th May 2011, 04:15 AM	#26
Correa Neto Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Hunting rocks somewhere in Brazil Posts: 7,176	Originally Posted by kitakaze Thanks for the correction, Aep. I forgot to paste only the video code. It looks very much like balloons, but does seem rather fast. The balloons could have been released from Shinjuku Park, Yoyogi Park or the Meiji Jingu shrine next to it. It may well have been for a fundraiser or a wedding or whatever. Its quite likely an illusion, a matter of perspective. Your brain is using the clouds as refference (static) point in the absence of something better. Since the clouds are higher and being blown by the wind, you get the impression of fast moving objects. Baloons would be the best option. Birds such as storks, I guess, would also be possible, but I believe (based on my anecdotal experience) the flapping of wings would be detectable as variations on the brightness. This type of illusion can give the impression that static objetcs, such as stars, for example, are moving. The fact that some people will claim this could be something non-mundane is actually sad, since it exposes how ignorant and gullible we can be.
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19th May 2011, 04:36 AM	#27
mushy Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 626	Originally Posted by Mojo Hold the front page! Something that hasn't been positively dentified was seen in the sky! Something that apparently moves at high speeds and changes colour. Kind of renders your point moot. Does not have to be a ufo to be interesting. Thats your bais coming though.
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19th May 2011, 04:37 AM	#28
Marduk Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Newbury, Berkshire Posts: 10,242	Originally Posted by Correa Neto The fact that some people will claim this could be something non-mundane is actually sad, since it exposes how ignorant and gullible we they can be. ftfy Originally Posted by mushy Something that apparently moves at high speeds and changes colour. can you tell me what colours they change to, I'm not seeing it and now am worried I might need glasses thanks
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19th May 2011, 04:38 AM	#29
mushy Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 626	Quote: the only reason they looked like they were moving "in strange formations at an incredible speed" was because they didn't have a tripod to hold the camera steady. This is claimed as fact, and is not. He cannot prove this claim. Quote: the balloons didn't quite appear to be changing colors, A youtube video is hardly a good place to observe something so small.
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19th May 2011, 04:42 AM	#30
Gawdzilla 121.92-meter mutant fire-breathing lizard-thingy Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northern St. Louis County, Missouri. Posts: 13,485	#1: "Look up in the sky!" #2: "It's bird!" #3: "It's a plane!" #4: "It's a balloon!" #5: "It's a flight of extraterrestrial spacecraft who have come to Earth to shepherd us into a new age of enlightenment and peace through the study and use of pancake batter as a hair dressing!" #'s 1-4: "How did we miss that? Boy, do we feel silly! Good catch, #5!"
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19th May 2011, 04:44 AM	#31
mushy Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 626	Originally Posted by Marduk ftfy can you tell me what colours they change to, I'm not seeing it and now am worried I might need glasses thanks I didnt say it changed colour.
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19th May 2011, 04:45 AM	#33
mushy Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 626	Originally Posted by Gawdzilla #1: "Look up in the sky!" #2: "It's bird!" #3: "It's a plane!" #4: "It's a balloon!" #5: "It's a flight of extraterrestrial spacecraft who have come to Earth to shepherd us into a new age of enlightenment and peace through the study and use of pancake batter as a hair dressing!" #'s 1-4: "How did we miss that? Boy, do we feel silly! Good catch, #5!" #6 "Why can your mind only comprehend 5 possabilities?"
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19th May 2011, 04:46 AM	#34
Gawdzilla 121.92-meter mutant fire-breathing lizard-thingy Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northern St. Louis County, Missouri. Posts: 13,485	Originally Posted by mushy #6 "Why can your mind only comprehend 5 possabilities?" #7: That's just a government plan to distract us from the REAL ALIENS.
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19th May 2011, 04:46 AM	#35
mushy Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 626	Originally Posted by Marduk how would the objects changing colour indicate something non mundane ? anyone I'm missing something here ???? Name me some Planes or animals that change colour while flying.
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19th May 2011, 04:47 AM	#36
Marduk Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Newbury, Berkshire Posts: 10,242	Originally Posted by mushy #6 "Why can your mind only comprehend 5 possabilities?" 7. its a sky lantern that changes colour possibly ?

19th May 2011, 04:47 AM	#37
mushy Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 626	Originally Posted by Gawdzilla #7: That's just a government plan to distract us from the REAL ALIENS. #8: Hey, #6 didnt say anything about real aliens. Thats you making up your own story to react too.
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19th May 2011, 04:56 AM	#38
Marduk Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Newbury, Berkshire Posts: 10,242	Originally Posted by mushy Name me some Planes or animals that change colour while flying. You can buy balloons that change colour, theyre helium instead of candle powered and they are fitted with a colour changing light emitting diode Quote: Wholesale - LED multi-color Latex Balloon Light, wedding, party, holiday, birthday,Christmas Lights Features 1.The main materials: latex balloon,LED light 2.Balloons color:Red, purple, pink, baby blue, orange, green, white(If you do not specify the color of the balloon, the default send all kinds of different colors of balloons products) 3.Inflated balloon diameter 35CM 4. The LED light can change color 5.Power: AG13 fastener batteries (It can be replaced after be used up) 6.Adjust the switch, you can choose to Slow Blink,Fast Blink,Constant On 7.Wonderful decorations wedding, party, holiday, birthday, Christmas etc.. 8.No-fire, smoke-free, safe and environment-friendly. http://www.sky-lanterns-cn.com/led.html good enough ?

19th May 2011, 04:59 AM	#39
Ethan Thane Athen Muse Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 950	Originally Posted by mushy Name me some Planes or animals that change colour while flying. Anything if they turn, bank whatever and the light catches them differently....especially anything white.
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19th May 2011, 04:59 AM	#40
Gawdzilla 121.92-meter mutant fire-breathing lizard-thingy Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northern St. Louis County, Missouri. Posts: 13,485	Originally Posted by mushy #8: Hey, #6 didnt say anything about real aliens. Thats you making up your own story to react too. #9: That's allowed under "Hey, what's that, it's an alien spaceship!" rules.
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