Camels Killed for Carbon Credits

applecorped · 8th June 2011, 03:49 AM

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6e633ac8-9...#axzz1OgF0HgAQ

"Killing a camel to earn a carbon credit may seem a curious way to tackle climate change, but one country is poised to allow investors to do precisely that.
The camel culling plan is one of the first to arise under the Australian government’s new “carbon farming initiative”, a scheme that lets farmers or investors claim carbon credits if they can show they have cut greenhouse gas emissions."

- You Aussies are an inventive lot.

Aepervius · 8th June 2011, 03:52 AM

In a warped way it kinda makes sense.

applecorped · 8th June 2011, 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by Aepervius

In a warped way it kinda makes sense.

Killing humans would make just as much, if not more, sense.

Kev The Green · 8th June 2011, 04:06 AM

I just hope Joe is going to be safe.

Cleon · 8th June 2011, 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

Killing humans would make just as much, if not more, sense.

Yeah, but that's still a misdemeanor in parts of Australia.

The Fool · 8th June 2011, 04:37 AM

Do Camels really fart that much?

Bilbo · 8th June 2011, 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by The Fool

Do Camels really fart that much?

Not as much as termites.

Why are they picking on the camels? Is it because the Roos fight back?

ZirconBlue · 8th June 2011, 08:45 AM

Nice alliteration in the thread title.

bikerdruid · 8th June 2011, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

Killing humans would make just as much, if not more, sense.

especially if we kill those that drive hummers and other gas guzzlers.

TragicMonkey · 8th June 2011, 09:14 AM

It would make more sense to find a way to convert camels into oil. They are already strongly associated geographically, so it can't be that difficult.

BenBurch · 8th June 2011, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

Killing humans would make just as much, if not more, sense.

I'm all for it. Can we start with most of the Chinese government?

TragicMonkey · 8th June 2011, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

I'm all for it. Can we start with most of the Chinese government?

You'd just be bloodthirsty again an hour later.

casebro · 8th June 2011, 05:48 PM

So will the framers pay a carbon debit when Mama Camel delivers a new baby camel? Or will they be growing camel meat and also getting a carbon credit for the livestock they just harvested?

geni · 8th June 2011, 06:08 PM

Last time something like this was tried it didn't work out too well

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_War

Darth Rotor · 8th June 2011, 06:32 PM

So, what do they do with the hump: have it for dinner? Buffalo hump is delicious, is camel hump likewise good eats?

Beerina · 8th June 2011, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Aepervius

In a warped way it kinda makes sense.

No it doesn't.

From here, a couple of years ago:

Other: We need to cut CO2 gas emissions!

Me: Why don't we end innumerate (in the mathematically illiterate sense) laws banning yard waste in non-biodegrading landfills? Put our yard mowing to work burying it? This is carbon sequestration.

Other, upset his green issues are at cross purposes: Well, CO2 isn't an important one anyway...

mhaze · 9th June 2011, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6e633ac8-9...#axzz1OgF0HgAQ

"Killing a camel to earn a carbon credit may seem a curious way to tackle climate change, but one country is poised to allow investors to do precisely that.
The camel culling plan is one of the first to arise under the Australian government’s new “carbon farming initiative”, a scheme that lets farmers or investors claim carbon credits if they can show they have cut greenhouse gas emissions."

- You Aussies are an inventive lot.

So camel herds should skyrocket, since there's a guaranteed profit on killing them in terms of the tax credits?

Damien Evans · 9th June 2011, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Not as much as termites.

Why are they picking on the camels? Is it because the Roos fight back?

Because they're an introduced pest and there's over a million of them running wild in the Outback.

ETA: And yes, Roos can fight back.

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TragicMonkey · 9th June 2011, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by Damien Evans

Because they're an introduced pest and there's over a million of them running wild in the Outback.

I thought that was rabbits, not camels? Or do the rabbits summon the camels? Are they in collusion?

Damien Evans · 9th June 2011, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I thought that was rabbits, not camels? Or do the rabbits summon the camels? Are they in collusion?

1 million Camels, something in the order of 70 to 500 million Rabbits, we just don't know.

TragicMonkey · 9th June 2011, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by Damien Evans

1 million Camels, something in the order of 70 to 500 million Rabbits, we just don't know.

Hmmm. I think it's pretty clear what's happening here. The rabbits have learned to combine and transmogrify into other forms. 70 to 500 rabbits get together, merge, and become a camel. Then they race swiftly through the desert, neighing and tossing their long mane, and upon arriving at their destination they separate back into rabbits. Eventually they'll learn to combine into larger forms, and Australia will be threatened by elephants, polar bears, and ultimately, armored flying whales with laser teeth and poison breath. It's inevitable. The only hope is to find a way to disrupt the telepathic communication link between rabbits. Good luck!

Darat · 9th June 2011, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6e633ac8-9...#axzz1OgF0HgAQ

"Killing a camel to earn a carbon credit may seem a curious way to tackle climate change, but one country is poised to allow investors to do precisely that.
The camel culling plan is one of the first to arise under the Australian government’s new “carbon farming initiative”, a scheme that lets farmers or investors claim carbon credits if they can show they have cut greenhouse gas emissions."

- You Aussies are an inventive lot.

I am glad at least one country has started to ensure the eradication of the camel, it's a small step but hopefully it is indicative of what the future holds.

TragicMonkey · 9th June 2011, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

I am glad at least one country has started to ensure the eradication of the camel, it's a small step but hopefully it is indicative of what the future holds.

You are foolish to focus on camels. The real threat to mankind is the dromedary, Nature's silent assassin.

WildCat · 9th June 2011, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by Damien Evans

1 million Camels, something in the order of 70 to 500 million Rabbits, we just don't know.

Why don't you introduce wolvs to eat the camels and rabbits? I don't see what could go wrong!

mhaze · 9th June 2011, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Hmmm. I think it's pretty clear what's happening here. The rabbits have learned to combine and transmogrify into other forms. 70 to 500 rabbits get together, merge, and become a camel. Then they race swiftly through the desert, neighing and tossing their long mane, and upon arriving at their destination they separate back into rabbits. Eventually they'll learn to combine into larger forms.....

you mean those socialists....

sinclairmcevoy · 9th June 2011, 08:05 AM

One million camels? What will they do with all the toes?

applecorped · 9th June 2011, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by mhaze

So camel herds should skyrocket, since there's a guaranteed profit on killing them in terms of the tax credits?

Yes.

INRM · 9th June 2011, 03:27 PM

How long before they'll start killing humans for carbon credits?

applecorped · 9th June 2011, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by INRM

How long before they'll start killing humans for carbon credits?

To Serve Man.

daenku32 · 9th June 2011, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by INRM

How long before they'll start killing humans for carbon credits?

I know. Until now no man has ever killed an animal for money. This animal killing business is a slippery slope.

shemp · 9th June 2011, 07:46 PM

As long as they don't harm the goats.

Damien Evans · 9th June 2011, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Why don't you introduce wolvs to eat the camels and rabbits? I don't see what could go wrong!

We already have Dingos, we don't need wolves.

Damien Evans · 9th June 2011, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by daenku32

I know. Until now no man has ever killed an animal for money. This animal killing business is a slippery slope.

Yeah, because as we all know Australia has never had a bounty on animals before.

Except for Tasmanian Tigers. And Foxes. Rabbits too. And Feral Pigs. Dingos. Cape Buffalo.

But other than them, we've never had a bounty on animals before.

applecorped · 10th June 2011, 03:06 AM

Originally Posted by Damien Evans

We already have Dingos, we don't need wolves.

I thought dingos only ate babies?

Sideroxylon · 10th June 2011, 04:08 AM

Originally Posted by Damien Evans

Yeah, because as we all know Australia has never had a bounty on animals before.

Except for Tasmanian Tigers. And Foxes. Rabbits too. And Feral Pigs. Dingos. Cape Buffalo.

But other than them, we've never had a bounty on animals before.

I think you mean water buffalo.

Sideroxylon · 10th June 2011, 04:11 AM

Originally Posted by shemp

As long as they don't harm the goats.

As an invasive species they are culled too, though for environmental reasons other than carbon credits.

TragicMonkey · 10th June 2011, 04:54 AM

The solution is to breed some sort of superanimal that consumes greenhouse gases. Maybe a sort of walrus-panther, that swoops through the trees and has retractable tusks. It could fart oxygen or something, someone else does the science stuff, I'm just the concept guy. I guess a plant could do it, but animals are more fun. The marketing is easier for animals, especially if they're either very cute or very ferocious. Everybody loves ferocious animals.

Bram Kaandorp · 10th June 2011, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

The solution is to breed some sort of superanimal that consumes greenhouse gases. Maybe a sort of walrus-panther, that swoops through the trees and has retractable tusks. It could fart oxygen or something, someone else does the science stuff, I'm just the concept guy. I guess a plant could do it, but animals are more fun. The marketing is easier for animals, especially if they're either very cute or very ferocious. Everybody loves ferocious animals.

How about reverse engineering cats and dogs so they do the same thing?

I once heard that an average sized dog is just as bad for the environment as an average family car.

Food for thoughts.

TragicMonkey · 10th June 2011, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Bram Kaandorp

How about reverse engineering cats and dogs so they do the same thing?

I once heard that an average sized dog is just as bad for the environment as an average family car.

Food for thoughts.

Boring. Cats? Dogs? I'd rather have the panther/walrus hybrid. Or some kind of small whale that moves on land by bouncing. Or arboreal lobsters!

8th June 2011, 03:49 AM	#1
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8th June 2011, 03:53 AM	#3
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mhaze Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woo*(+-1.10)^20=AGWwoo Posts: 15,395	Originally Posted by applecorped http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6e633ac8-9...#axzz1OgF0HgAQ "Killing a camel to earn a carbon credit may seem a curious way to tackle climate change, but one country is poised to allow investors to do precisely that. The camel culling plan is one of the first to arise under the Australian government’s new “carbon farming initiative”, a scheme that lets farmers or investors claim carbon credits if they can show they have cut greenhouse gas emissions." - You Aussies are an inventive lot. So camel herds should skyrocket, since there's a guaranteed profit on killing them in terms of the tax credits?
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TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,108	Originally Posted by Damien Evans Because they're an introduced pest and there's over a million of them running wild in the Outback. I thought that was rabbits, not camels? Or do the rabbits summon the camels? Are they in collusion?
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Damien Evans Up The Irons Tagger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 25,305	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey I thought that was rabbits, not camels? Or do the rabbits summon the camels? Are they in collusion? 1 million Camels, something in the order of 70 to 500 million Rabbits, we just don't know.
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9th June 2011, 07:03 AM	#21
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,108	Originally Posted by Damien Evans 1 million Camels, something in the order of 70 to 500 million Rabbits, we just don't know. Hmmm. I think it's pretty clear what's happening here. The rabbits have learned to combine and transmogrify into other forms. 70 to 500 rabbits get together, merge, and become a camel. Then they race swiftly through the desert, neighing and tossing their long mane, and upon arriving at their destination they separate back into rabbits. Eventually they'll learn to combine into larger forms, and Australia will be threatened by elephants, polar bears, and ultimately, armored flying whales with laser teeth and poison breath. It's inevitable. The only hope is to find a way to disrupt the telepathic communication link between rabbits. Good luck!
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TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,108	Originally Posted by Darat I am glad at least one country has started to ensure the eradication of the camel, it's a small step but hopefully it is indicative of what the future holds. You are foolish to focus on camels. The real threat to mankind is the dromedary, Nature's silent assassin.
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WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,098	Originally Posted by Damien Evans 1 million Camels, something in the order of 70 to 500 million Rabbits, we just don't know. Why don't you introduce wolvs to eat the camels and rabbits? I don't see what could go wrong!

9th June 2011, 08:00 AM	#25
mhaze Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woo*(+-1.10)^20=AGWwoo Posts: 15,395	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Hmmm. I think it's pretty clear what's happening here. The rabbits have learned to combine and transmogrify into other forms. 70 to 500 rabbits get together, merge, and become a camel. Then they race swiftly through the desert, neighing and tossing their long mane, and upon arriving at their destination they separate back into rabbits. Eventually they'll learn to combine into larger forms..... you mean those socialists....
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9th June 2011, 09:37 AM	#27
applecorped Rotten to the Core Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 10,675	Originally Posted by mhaze So camel herds should skyrocket, since there's a guaranteed profit on killing them in terms of the tax credits? Yes.
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9th June 2011, 03:56 PM	#29
applecorped Rotten to the Core Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 10,675	Originally Posted by INRM How long before they'll start killing humans for carbon credits? To Serve Man.
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daenku32 Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,982	Originally Posted by INRM How long before they'll start killing humans for carbon credits? I know. Until now no man has ever killed an animal for money. This animal killing business is a slippery slope.

9th June 2011, 07:46 PM	#31
shemp Timothy, Timothy, where on earth did you go? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: trapped in a cave-in with Joe Posts: 12,892	As long as they don't harm the goats.

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Damien Evans Up The Irons Tagger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 25,305	Originally Posted by WildCat Why don't you introduce wolvs to eat the camels and rabbits? I don't see what could go wrong! We already have Dingos, we don't need wolves.
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9th June 2011, 10:52 PM	#33
Damien Evans Up The Irons Tagger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 25,305	Originally Posted by daenku32 I know. Until now no man has ever killed an animal for money. This animal killing business is a slippery slope. Yeah, because as we all know Australia has never had a bounty on animals before. Except for Tasmanian Tigers. And Foxes. Rabbits too. And Feral Pigs. Dingos. Cape Buffalo. But other than them, we've never had a bounty on animals before.
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10th June 2011, 03:06 AM	#34
applecorped Rotten to the Core Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 10,675	Originally Posted by Damien Evans We already have Dingos, we don't need wolves. I thought dingos only ate babies?
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10th June 2011, 04:08 AM	#35
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10th June 2011, 04:11 AM	#36
Sideroxylon Gavagai! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Turkey Posts: 10,631	Originally Posted by shemp As long as they don't harm the goats. As an invasive species they are culled too, though for environmental reasons other than carbon credits.
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