Charles Lindbergh, Sr... Anti-Semite?

moonbatproductions · 14th June 2011, 11:57 AM

Hey everybody! I'm rather new around these parts, but I'm looking for well informed people so that I may pick their brains... without any kind of alien devices, of course!

Anyway, I'm working on a debunking project right now and am looking for some verification (one way or the other) on Charles Lindbergh Sr. A while back I had a fellow debunker tell me that the congressman (and father of the famous aviator) was as anti-Semitic as his son would later be proven to be, however I can't find any solid evidence on the issue. I'm looking for quotes or maybe a book I can track down that might verify such information. I have definitely given a lot of time to searching this out myself, but when searching for two people named "Charles Lindbergh", of course the more popular figure will get 99% of the hits. Does anyone out there have any info on this topic?

If not, he was still a quackpot when it came to the FED and his hatred of bankers was likely instilled within his son who took it to the next anti-Jewish step in the equation.

Spindrift · 14th June 2011, 12:13 PM

Try this:
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1...rles+lindbergh

Captain_Swoop · 14th June 2011, 12:21 PM

A bit late aren't you? Surely he must be dead by now.

moonbatproductions · 14th June 2011, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Spindrift

Try this:
LINK

Thanks Spindrift. I should clarify though that I have found a decent amount of information on the man, but so far have been unable to find any specific anti-Semitic drivel.

That link did pop up with a PDF of his "Banking and Currency and the Money Trust", which I did not have at this point. So thanks again!

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

A bit late aren't you? Surely he must be dead by now.

lol, yes, both he and his son have been gone for many years. However, that hasn't stopped their names from being roped into many conspiratorial videos out there.

Anti-Semitism has a strong reach within communities that breed hatred for banking systems due to the strong connection between loaning, interest rates, usury laws and the Jewish people within ancient Europe.

I'm not making a hit-piece on the man or anything, his name simply pops up in the video I am debunking and I am looking for probable reasoning behind his beliefs.

Alferd_Packer · 14th June 2011, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

A bit late aren't you? Surely he must be dead by now.

But it's real important to show. . .

er, What are you trying to show again?

That there were a lot of anti-semites 100 years ago?

Spindrift · 14th June 2011, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer

But it's real important to show. . .

er, What are you trying to show again?

That there were a lot of anti-semites 100 years ago?

I don't understand what you're trying to do either.

Are you trying to prove Lindbergh, Sr. was or wasn't an anti-semite?

And who actually discusses that?

moonbatproductions · 14th June 2011, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer

But it's real important to show. . .

er, What are you trying to show again?

That there were a lot of anti-semites 100 years ago?

I'm sorry for not being clear. I'm debunking a video known as The Money Masters, which proclaims to be a trip through history that shows how a shadowy elite of "money changers" have been controlling the world since the time of Julius Caesar.

Throughout the video I plan on showing the legitimate history that the video either lies about or completely abandons.

In it, they of course use quotes from both Louis T. McFadden and Charles Lindbergh Sr. who were two of the earliest critics of the FED and who helped inspire the majority of modern FED myths/conspiracies. McFadden was fairly open with his anti-Semitism, same with early FED conspiracy theorist Eustace Mullins, but I am simply trying to follow up on whether or not Charles Lindbergh, Sr. shared similar beliefs.

Why? Because it shows the inarticulate hatred behind many conspiracy theories. While working on the video and looking into ancient European history, it has been a revelation to see how old many of these conspiracy theories reach and how tied in they are with a general hatred for the Jewish people. Within the digital age, many have lost sight to where these conspiracies were being propagated during the VHS age: neo-nazi and fringe survivalist communities.

Basically I'm discrediting this video and its sources piece by piece and quote by quote. Although it doesn't take much to discredit Lindbergh, I am intrigued as to whether or not the man shared the beliefs of McFadden. I don't intend to leave any stones un-turned, and if he was an anti-Semite then I would like to make that point.

Myron Proudfoot · 14th June 2011, 01:42 PM

The following information is from the entry on Lindbergh Sr. from "The American National Biography." It suggests some books he wrote that might prove useful. Also, I would think a good biography of his son would discuss the father's career.

Quote:

He wrote three books. In Banking and Currency and the Money Trust (1913) he stressed the need for financial reform, stating, "We must get away from the idea that money is created to serve any other purpose than that of an exchange agent." In Why Is Your Country at War and What Happens to You after the War and Related Subjects (1917) he accused big business of promoting war for profit and declared, "The war hysteria has so unbalanced the world that it is even considered traitorous to suggest terms of peace." In The Economic Pinch (1923) he emphasized humanitarian concerns as they related to economics and his hatred of "privilege," asserting, "We must substitute reason for tradition--if we are ever to unshackle ourselves from the arbitrary domination of property privilege over human right." His other reform writings include three magazines, The Law of Rights (1905), Real Needs (1916), and Lindbergh's National Farmer (1919-1920); and This Pamphlet Tells Who and What Caused the Panic . . . (n.d., likely 1924).

Citation:
Bruce L. Larson. "Lindbergh, Charles August";
http://www.anb.org/articles/06/06-00373.html;
American National Biography Online Feb. 2000.

moonbatproductions · 14th June 2011, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Myron Proudfoot

The following information is from the entry on Lindbergh Sr. from "The American National Biography." It suggests some books he wrote that might prove useful. Also, I would think a good biography of his son would discuss the father's career.

Citation:
Bruce L. Larson. "Lindbergh, Charles August";

American National Biography Online Feb. 2000.

Thanks a lot Myron! I'll make sure and glance over his written works and see if I can find anything. However, you may be right in that biographies of his son may prove useful as well. I'm curious if there's a connection between father and son, since Jr. wasn't bashful in blaming the "Jewish-owned media" for pushing America into war.

Tricky · 14th June 2011, 04:05 PM

Lindbergh the younger was more of an isolationist than an anti-semite, but he hated FDR with a passion and thought the US should have entered WWII on the side of Germany.

Hans · 14th June 2011, 06:23 PM

If someone is 'controlling the world' they are doing a very poor job of it

Johny2x4 · 14th June 2011, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Tricky

Lindbergh the younger was more of an isolationist than an anti-semite, but he hated FDR with a passion and thought the US should have entered WWII on the side of Germany.

Wow....

Hans · 14th June 2011, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Tricky

Lindbergh the younger was more of an isolationist than an anti-semite, but he hated FDR with a passion and thought the US should have entered WWII on the side of Germany.

Ah you sure about that - he may have disliked FDR but enter WWII on the side of Germany?? He was roundly thrashed for suggesting a neutrality pact with Germany and what he did say was that if he had to choose, he would rather see America allied with Nazi Germany than Soviet Russia.

I believe you are taking that quote out of context of what he meant.

dropzone · 14th June 2011, 10:10 PM

Senior died in 1924, so his dislike for FDR predated The New Deal. Don't know about Junior, but I understand The Third inherited his grandfather's antipathy to the entire Roosevelt clan to his dying day.

bikerdruid · 14th June 2011, 10:36 PM

weren't all wasps pretty much antisemitic by nature until fairly recently?

dropzone · 14th June 2011, 10:52 PM

The wasps that live in my stoop hate me, though my last connection with my Jewish heritage was through my grandfather, who died 45 years ago. I guess bugs don't forget. Given my other German background I find some sick enjoyment in killing them before they kill me (allergy). You spray that foamy stuff that clogs the hole, watch some crawl through it, and sit back far enough they can't fatally sting you.

Given the fatality thing, Hitler and the Lindberghs had less to worry about.

14th June 2011, 11:57 AM	#1
moonbatproductions New Blood Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 4	Charles Lindbergh, Sr... Anti-Semite? Hey everybody! I'm rather new around these parts, but I'm looking for well informed people so that I may pick their brains... without any kind of alien devices, of course! Anyway, I'm working on a debunking project right now and am looking for some verification (one way or the other) on Charles Lindbergh Sr. A while back I had a fellow debunker tell me that the congressman (and father of the famous aviator) was as anti-Semitic as his son would later be proven to be, however I can't find any solid evidence on the issue. I'm looking for quotes or maybe a book I can track down that might verify such information. I have definitely given a lot of time to searching this out myself, but when searching for two people named "Charles Lindbergh", of course the more popular figure will get 99% of the hits. Does anyone out there have any info on this topic? If not, he was still a quackpot when it came to the FED and his hatred of bankers was likely instilled within his son who took it to the next anti-Jewish step in the equation.

14th June 2011, 12:13 PM	#2
Spindrift Enturbulator Extraordinaire Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 8,445	Try this: http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1...rles+lindbergh
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14th June 2011, 01:00 PM	#5
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,191	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop A bit late aren't you? Surely he must be dead by now. But it's real important to show. . . er, What are you trying to show again? That there were a lot of anti-semites 100 years ago?
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14th June 2011, 01:14 PM	#6
Spindrift Enturbulator Extraordinaire Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 8,445	Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer But it's real important to show. . . er, What are you trying to show again? That there were a lot of anti-semites 100 years ago? I don't understand what you're trying to do either. Are you trying to prove Lindbergh, Sr. was or wasn't an anti-semite? And who actually discusses that?
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14th June 2011, 01:42 PM	#8
Myron Proudfoot Muse Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Washington DC area. Posts: 959	The following information is from the entry on Lindbergh Sr. from "The American National Biography." It suggests some books he wrote that might prove useful. Also, I would think a good biography of his son would discuss the father's career. Quote: He wrote three books. In Banking and Currency and the Money Trust (1913) he stressed the need for financial reform, stating, "We must get away from the idea that money is created to serve any other purpose than that of an exchange agent." In Why Is Your Country at War and What Happens to You after the War and Related Subjects (1917) he accused big business of promoting war for profit and declared, "The war hysteria has so unbalanced the world that it is even considered traitorous to suggest terms of peace." In The Economic Pinch (1923) he emphasized humanitarian concerns as they related to economics and his hatred of "privilege," asserting, "We must substitute reason for tradition--if we are ever to unshackle ourselves from the arbitrary domination of property privilege over human right." His other reform writings include three magazines, The Law of Rights (1905), Real Needs (1916), and Lindbergh's National Farmer (1919-1920); and This Pamphlet Tells Who and What Caused the Panic . . . (n.d., likely 1924). Citation: Bruce L. Larson. "Lindbergh, Charles August"; http://www.anb.org/articles/06/06-00373.html; American National Biography Online Feb. 2000.
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14th June 2011, 12:21 PM	#3
Captain_Swoop Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 3,904	A bit late aren't you? Surely he must be dead by now.

14th June 2011, 12:59 PM	#4
moonbatproductions New Blood Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 4	Originally Posted by Spindrift Try this: LINK Thanks Spindrift. I should clarify though that I have found a decent amount of information on the man, but so far have been unable to find any specific anti-Semitic drivel. That link did pop up with a PDF of his "Banking and Currency and the Money Trust", which I did not have at this point. So thanks again! Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop A bit late aren't you? Surely he must be dead by now. lol, yes, both he and his son have been gone for many years. However, that hasn't stopped their names from being roped into many conspiratorial videos out there. Anti-Semitism has a strong reach within communities that breed hatred for banking systems due to the strong connection between loaning, interest rates, usury laws and the Jewish people within ancient Europe. I'm not making a hit-piece on the man or anything, his name simply pops up in the video I am debunking and I am looking for probable reasoning behind his beliefs.

14th June 2011, 01:32 PM	#7
moonbatproductions New Blood Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 4	Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer But it's real important to show. . . er, What are you trying to show again? That there were a lot of anti-semites 100 years ago? I'm sorry for not being clear. I'm debunking a video known as The Money Masters, which proclaims to be a trip through history that shows how a shadowy elite of "money changers" have been controlling the world since the time of Julius Caesar. Throughout the video I plan on showing the legitimate history that the video either lies about or completely abandons. In it, they of course use quotes from both Louis T. McFadden and Charles Lindbergh Sr. who were two of the earliest critics of the FED and who helped inspire the majority of modern FED myths/conspiracies. McFadden was fairly open with his anti-Semitism, same with early FED conspiracy theorist Eustace Mullins, but I am simply trying to follow up on whether or not Charles Lindbergh, Sr. shared similar beliefs. Why? Because it shows the inarticulate hatred behind many conspiracy theories. While working on the video and looking into ancient European history, it has been a revelation to see how old many of these conspiracy theories reach and how tied in they are with a general hatred for the Jewish people. Within the digital age, many have lost sight to where these conspiracies were being propagated during the VHS age: neo-nazi and fringe survivalist communities. Basically I'm discrediting this video and its sources piece by piece and quote by quote. Although it doesn't take much to discredit Lindbergh, I am intrigued as to whether or not the man shared the beliefs of McFadden. I don't intend to leave any stones un-turned, and if he was an anti-Semite then I would like to make that point.

14th June 2011, 01:50 PM	#9
moonbatproductions New Blood Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 4	Originally Posted by Myron Proudfoot The following information is from the entry on Lindbergh Sr. from "The American National Biography." It suggests some books he wrote that might prove useful. Also, I would think a good biography of his son would discuss the father's career. Citation: Bruce L. Larson. "Lindbergh, Charles August"; American National Biography Online Feb. 2000. Thanks a lot Myron! I'll make sure and glance over his written works and see if I can find anything. However, you may be right in that biographies of his son may prove useful as well. I'm curious if there's a connection between father and son, since Jr. wasn't bashful in blaming the "Jewish-owned media" for pushing America into war.

14th June 2011, 04:05 PM	#10
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,338	Lindbergh the younger was more of an isolationist than an anti-semite, but he hated FDR with a passion and thought the US should have entered WWII on the side of Germany.
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14th June 2011, 06:23 PM	#11
Hans Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: NW United States Posts: 2,782	If someone is 'controlling the world' they are doing a very poor job of it

14th June 2011, 06:37 PM	#12
Johny2x4 Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Portugal Posts: 472	Originally Posted by Tricky Lindbergh the younger was more of an isolationist than an anti-semite, but he hated FDR with a passion and thought the US should have entered WWII on the side of Germany. Wow....

14th June 2011, 09:10 PM	#13
Hans Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: NW United States Posts: 2,782	Originally Posted by Tricky Lindbergh the younger was more of an isolationist than an anti-semite, but he hated FDR with a passion and thought the US should have entered WWII on the side of Germany. Ah you sure about that - he may have disliked FDR but enter WWII on the side of Germany?? He was roundly thrashed for suggesting a neutrality pact with Germany and what he did say was that if he had to choose, he would rather see America allied with Nazi Germany than Soviet Russia. I believe you are taking that quote out of context of what he meant.

14th June 2011, 10:10 PM	#14
dropzone Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,666	Senior died in 1924, so his dislike for FDR predated The New Deal. Don't know about Junior, but I understand The Third inherited his grandfather's antipathy to the entire Roosevelt clan to his dying day.

14th June 2011, 10:36 PM	#15
bikerdruid hermit hippy weirdo Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: green island autonomous zone Posts: 7,369	weren't all wasps pretty much antisemitic by nature until fairly recently?
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14th June 2011, 10:52 PM	#16
dropzone Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,666	The wasps that live in my stoop hate me, though my last connection with my Jewish heritage was through my grandfather, who died 45 years ago. I guess bugs don't forget. Given my other German background I find some sick enjoyment in killing them before they kill me (allergy). You spray that foamy stuff that clogs the hole, watch some crawl through it, and sit back far enough they can't fatally sting you. Given the fatality thing, Hitler and the Lindberghs had less to worry about.