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Foster Zygote · 15th June 2011, 12:17 PM

It must be part of the mean old scientists conspiracy.

MattusMaximus · 15th June 2011, 12:40 PM

Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of clowns

Hecubas · 15th June 2011, 01:59 PM

I'm surprised it took this long. PZ's tentacles must be tingling with delight!

Gawdzilla · 15th June 2011, 02:04 PM

Now to buy the footage and "fix" it. Ben Stein, you should RUN!

LarianLeQuella · 15th June 2011, 02:12 PM

sadhatter · 15th June 2011, 02:38 PM

You know i laugh if only for the awkward conversation that i had to go through when buying expelled... ( for obvious riffing purposes, i forget if our riff on it is on youtube or no.)

" Oh, i see your buying expelled."

" Yep, it was free with 2 good movies. "

" Yeah, it is a good film, brings up some really good points, have you seen it yet?"

" Nope, didn't want to pay money for it. "

" Yeah movies can be expensive, i hear you, ben stein is great though isn't he, fighting against big science?"

" Not really."

" Sometimes it is hard, you should see the experts they have in this movie, they really know their stuff."

" **sigh** Listen, i am buying this movie because me and my friends like to get really poor movies , especially of a scientific nature, and make fun of them. We are buying it to ridicule it."

" He does get a lot of ridicule doesn't he? Well hope you enjoy it."

( that was slightly paraphrased, but a very accurate summation of events. Regardless of what i said, she reacted as if i said something positive about the film. It instantly aggravated me for some reason, leading to my blunt explanation of the reason i was buying it. )

John Jones · 15th June 2011, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by LarianLeQuella

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the JREF. The JREF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_4bLNM0axE

John Albert · 15th June 2011, 03:10 PM

Ferris Bueller's school had a pretty messed-up faculty, if you think about it. Ben Stein for a teacher, and Jefferey Jones as a principal who creeps around and breaks & enters the homes of students.

Mister Earl · 15th June 2011, 04:33 PM

Expelled is OK to watch, provided you do so in the proper context.

Gawdzilla · 15th June 2011, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Mister Earl

Expelled is OK to watch, provided you do so in the proper context.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n.../blagoblog.gif

Yeah, turn the sound down and put "Dark Side of the Moon" on.

John Albert · 16th June 2011, 08:42 AM

I just started a campaign on www.thepoint.com to raise funds for bidding on Expelled: No Intelligence Required.

http://www.thepoint.com/campaigns/campaign-0-2756.

If I happen to win the auction, I'll be removing the film from the market in its original state, and will take suggestions on what to do with it. I'm thinking about re-editing the footage to provide rebuttals and ridicule...

Pledge money if you can, and I'll place bids on the movie over the next few days, as the funding pledges roll in. If we don't win the auction, you won't be charged a single penny, so don't worry about that.

Ixion · 16th June 2011, 09:36 AM

This may not be legal. Two men tried to buy Pabst Brewing Company (brewers of Pabst Blue Ribbon beer) through a Facebook campaign similar to this one, and it was shut-down by the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Story in the Chicago Tribune here:
Pabst beer and Facebook don't mix, says SEC

John Albert · 16th June 2011, 09:41 AM

The difference is, I'm not promising to give anyone shares in the holdings, which is where these guys went wrong.

Either way, we'll see what happens.

BenBurch · 16th June 2011, 09:51 AM

When you find out how much, let us know. I'd help with this...

Ixion · 16th June 2011, 09:53 AM

There are also other reasons that I personally would find cause to not place a bid in this:
1) You advertise to "purchase the rights" but you are not clear on who will end up with the rights to the movie
2) You don't disclose any information about the company or what holding the rights entails to (will it be just for this movie or will it be other financial holdings within the company?)
3) You don't set a goal on how much money you expect will be necessary for obtaining the right and winning the bid

Brian Thompson · 16th June 2011, 09:55 AM

Though it wasn't really a flop by the box office standards of a documentary, Expelled never took off with its target audience. Skeptics gave the movie more press than creationists ever did.

I guess most of the anti-evolution base are happy with their VeggieTales videos. Expelled needed more dodgy CGI and musical numbers to ever have a chance.

15th June 2011, 12:17 PM	#1
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge Posts: 14,461	'Expelled' Production Company Bankrupt It must be part of the mean old scientists conspiracy.
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15th June 2011, 12:40 PM	#2
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,204	Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of clowns
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15th June 2011, 01:59 PM	#3
Hecubas Thinker Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 214	I'm surprised it took this long. PZ's tentacles must be tingling with delight!
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15th June 2011, 02:04 PM	#4
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15th June 2011, 02:12 PM	#5
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15th June 2011, 02:38 PM	#6
sadhatter Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,743	You know i laugh if only for the awkward conversation that i had to go through when buying expelled... ( for obvious riffing purposes, i forget if our riff on it is on youtube or no.) " Oh, i see your buying expelled." " Yep, it was free with 2 good movies. " " Yeah, it is a good film, brings up some really good points, have you seen it yet?" " Nope, didn't want to pay money for it. " " Yeah movies can be expensive, i hear you, ben stein is great though isn't he, fighting against big science?" " Not really." " Sometimes it is hard, you should see the experts they have in this movie, they really know their stuff." " sigh Listen, i am buying this movie because me and my friends like to get really poor movies , especially of a scientific nature, and make fun of them. We are buying it to ridicule it." " He does get a lot of ridicule doesn't he? Well hope you enjoy it." ( that was slightly paraphrased, but a very accurate summation of events. Regardless of what i said, she reacted as if i said something positive about the film. It instantly aggravated me for some reason, leading to my blunt explanation of the reason i was buying it. )
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15th June 2011, 03:10 PM	#8
John Albert Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,143	Ferris Bueller's school had a pretty messed-up faculty, if you think about it. Ben Stein for a teacher, and Jefferey Jones as a principal who creeps around and breaks & enters the homes of students.
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15th June 2011, 04:33 PM	#9
Mister Earl Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,257	Expelled is OK to watch, provided you do so in the proper context.

15th June 2011, 05:11 PM	#10
Gawdzilla 121.92-meter mutant fire-breathing lizard-thingy Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northern St. Louis County, Missouri. Posts: 13,863	Originally Posted by Mister Earl Expelled is OK to watch, provided you do so in the proper context. http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n.../blagoblog.gif Yeah, turn the sound down and put "Dark Side of the Moon" on.
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16th June 2011, 08:42 AM	#11
John Albert Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,143	I just started a campaign on www.thepoint.com to raise funds for bidding on Expelled: No Intelligence Required. http://www.thepoint.com/campaigns/campaign-0-2756. If I happen to win the auction, I'll be removing the film from the market in its original state, and will take suggestions on what to do with it. I'm thinking about re-editing the footage to provide rebuttals and ridicule... Pledge money if you can, and I'll place bids on the movie over the next few days, as the funding pledges roll in. If we don't win the auction, you won't be charged a single penny, so don't worry about that.
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16th June 2011, 09:36 AM	#12
Ixion Inquiring Mind Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,296	This may not be legal. Two men tried to buy Pabst Brewing Company (brewers of Pabst Blue Ribbon beer) through a Facebook campaign similar to this one, and it was shut-down by the Securities and Exchange Commission. Story in the Chicago Tribune here: Pabst beer and Facebook don't mix, says SEC
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16th June 2011, 09:41 AM	#13
John Albert Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,143	The difference is, I'm not promising to give anyone shares in the holdings, which is where these guys went wrong. Either way, we'll see what happens.
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16th June 2011, 09:51 AM	#14
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16th June 2011, 09:53 AM	#15
Ixion Inquiring Mind Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,296	There are also other reasons that I personally would find cause to not place a bid in this: 1) You advertise to "purchase the rights" but you are not clear on who will end up with the rights to the movie 2) You don't disclose any information about the company or what holding the rights entails to (will it be just for this movie or will it be other financial holdings within the company?) 3) You don't set a goal on how much money you expect will be necessary for obtaining the right and winning the bid
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16th June 2011, 09:55 AM	#16
Brian Thompson JREF Staff Field Coordinator Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 49	Though it wasn't really a flop by the box office standards of a documentary, Expelled never took off with its target audience. Skeptics gave the movie more press than creationists ever did. I guess most of the anti-evolution base are happy with their VeggieTales videos. Expelled needed more dodgy CGI and musical numbers to ever have a chance.