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dc1971 · 15th June 2011, 09:04 PM

Hello Fox News fans who are here on JREF:

I have a question about Eric Bolling and maybe some of you Fox News "experts" can answer this for me.

Why is it that someone like Eric Bolling who is still questioning the authenticity of Barack Obama's birth certificate considered a news journalist?

DC

Cobalt · 16th June 2011, 06:09 AM

Not being a fan of FN or anything I'd ask if he's billed as a reporter or he just has an opinion show?

Newtons Bit · 16th June 2011, 06:20 AM

According to wikipedia, he does a business analysis show for FoxNews. There's some nutty people on the business team. Andrew Napolitano is also part of the business team at FoxNews and is a known truther. And also misinformed enough to think that Net Neutrality is the Fairness Doctrine and will require FoxNews.com to pop-up CNN.com everytime someone loads the FoxNews.com page.

hgc · 16th June 2011, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by Newtons Bit

... And also misinformed enough to think that Net Neutrality is the Fairness Doctrine and will require FoxNews.com to pop-up CNN.com everytime someone loads the FoxNews.com page.

And also pretending to be misinformed enough to think that Net Neutrality is ...

It's all quite calculated for targeted effect.

dc1971 · 16th June 2011, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by Cobalt

Not being a fan of FN or anything I'd ask if he's billed as a reporter or he just has an opinion show?

Still questioning Barack Obama's birth certificate is not opinion, it's stupidity.

Newtons Bit · 16th June 2011, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by hgc

And also pretending to be misinformed enough to think that Net Neutrality is ...

It's all quite calculated for targeted effect.

I'm not sure. Truthers have qualities that allow them to be REALLY misinformed.

hgc · 16th June 2011, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by Newtons Bit

I'm not sure. Truthers have qualities that allow them to be REALLY misinformed.

I was thinking of Napolitano and Net Neutrality. A classic case of using feigned ignorance to advance the corporatist agenda.

Newtons Bit · 16th June 2011, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by hgc

I was thinking of Napolitano and Net Neutrality. A classic case of using feigned ignorance to advance the corporatist agenda.

Yea, I get what you're saying. I'm just saying that someone who can believe that 9/11 was an inside job can believe just about anything without having to feign ignorance.

Grizzly Bear · 16th June 2011, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by dc1971

Still questioning Barack Obama's birth certificate is not opinion, it's stupidity.

I watch Fox News but I rarely view the actual opinion programs other than maybe Bill Oralie (sp?). These opinion shows may be biased but they're rarely enough news to be considered "news." In many cases these are political commentaries based on the opinions of the host. There's a lot of the same political shotgunning in MSNBC; admittedly I follow their programming about as much as I follow fox's, very little. Point is, the opinion shows aren't the same as the news blocks.

A Laughing Baby · 16th June 2011, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear

I watch Fox News but I rarely view the actual opinion programs other than maybe Bill Oralie (sp?). These opinion shows may be biased but they're rarely enough news to be considered "news." In many cases these are political commentaries based on the opinions of the host. There's a lot of the same political shotgunning in MSNBC; admittedly I follow their programming about as much as I follow fox's, very little. Point is, the opinion shows aren't the same as the news blocks.

Most liberals that complain about FN (myself included, but to a lesser extent, since I'm grumpy about the whole political media system) are less upset about the content of the opinion programming and more upset over how the opinion bleeds into the "straight news" segments.

BenBurch · 16th June 2011, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by hgc

I was thinking of Napolitano and Net Neutrality. A classic case of using feigned ignorance to advance the corporatist agenda.

Like "Death Panels."

AlBell · 16th June 2011, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

Like "Death Panels."

Yeah, truth-in-advertising hurts (Democrats).

PGH · 16th June 2011, 12:15 PM

What I never understand is how republicans will tell you with a straight face that all other news outlets are left-wing, biased trash and then watch a network that literally employs conservative politicians. Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, etc.

Could you imagine the uproar if Obama or Pelosi were paid employees of CNN?

BenBurch · 16th June 2011, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by AlBell

Yeah, truth-in-advertising hurts (Democrats).

Don't tell me that you are actually gullible enough to have believed that line of malarkey, because I know you're smarter than that.

You do not have to defend every insane idea a popular conservative vomits forth, you know, conservatism would actually be stronger if you could identify them as crazy and talk about real things like monetary policy, government waste, and public/private sector cooperation that conservatives have valuable things to say about.

Allen773 · 17th June 2011, 07:17 PM

Fox News is to journalism as McDonald's is to gourmet dining.

hgc · 17th June 2011, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Allen773

Fox News is to journalism as McDonald's is to gourmet dining.

Great! Let's play the Analogy Game. Aristotelian format, please.

Fox News : Journalism :: Fox : Hen house

Fox News : Journalism :: Dick Cheney : Humanity

dc1971 · 17th June 2011, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by hgc

Great! Let's play the Analogy Game. Aristotelian format, please.

Fox News : Journalism :: Fox : Hen house

Fox News : Journalism :: Dick Cheney : Humanity

Or could we have IPv6 format?

fn:jn::fx:hh

fn:jn::dc:hu

thaiboxerken · 17th June 2011, 11:22 PM

Fox News is not a journalism medium.

hgc · 18th June 2011, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by dc1971

Or could we have IPv6 format?

fn:jn::fx:hh

fn:jn::dc:hu

Love it

Nursedan · 18th June 2011, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by dc1971

Hello Fox News fans who are here on JREF:

I have a question about Eric Bolling and maybe some of you Fox News "experts" can answer this for me.

Why is it that someone like Eric Bolling who is still questioning the authenticity of Barack Obama's birth certificate considered a news journalist?

DC

What standard are you going by when asking this question?

I guess I can answer literally, not having heard or Bolling; I'd say that a journalist is someone who reports the news. That would be my standard. I guess if some people still think the BC issue is relevent then it......is, and he is representing their (misguided IMO) viewpoint.

Ausmerican · 18th June 2011, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Nursedan

What standard are you going by when asking this question?

I guess I can answer literally, not having heard or Bolling; I'd say that a journalist is someone who reports the news. That would be my standard. I guess if some people still think the BC issue is relevent then it......is, and he is representing their (misguided IMO) viewpoint.

You know there are still flat earthers out there? Do they deserve representation in the news as well? Not all points of view have equal validity, indeed, some have none.

Nursedan · 18th June 2011, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Ausmerican

You know there are still flat earthers out there? Do they deserve representation in the news as well? Not all points of view have equal validity, indeed, some have none.

Ok, but flat-earthers are not relevant in the news today the way the issue of Obama's BC is.

Also, I don't know how much time was spent on Fox News discussing this. Was there a half hour investigation? or was it a blurb from a sometimes contributor? It's hard to make a call on a specific story not having seen it. I'd still be curious as to the OPs standard for what constitues a journalist. I'll bet this varies greatly from person to person.

Tricky · 20th June 2011, 04:59 PM

Well, the playing field is about to be leveled. Keith Olbermann returns to the airwaves today.

thaiboxerken · 20th June 2011, 05:15 PM

But how large of an audience will he reach?

Tricky · 20th June 2011, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

But how large of an audience will he reach?

It will be smaller. And more fervid.

elbe · 20th June 2011, 06:51 PM

I have never even heard of Current TV. Now I'm slightly curious just to see what else is on an "Al Gore-run network".

15th June 2011, 09:04 PM	#1
dc1971 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,033	A question for Fox News fans... Hello Fox News fans who are here on JREF: I have a question about Eric Bolling and maybe some of you Fox News "experts" can answer this for me. Why is it that someone like Eric Bolling who is still questioning the authenticity of Barack Obama's birth certificate considered a news journalist? DC
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16th June 2011, 06:09 AM	#2
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16th June 2011, 06:20 AM	#3
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16th June 2011, 06:33 AM	#4
hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,143	Originally Posted by Newtons Bit ... And also misinformed enough to think that Net Neutrality is the Fairness Doctrine and will require FoxNews.com to pop-up CNN.com everytime someone loads the FoxNews.com page. And also pretending to be misinformed enough to think that Net Neutrality is ... It's all quite calculated for targeted effect.
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16th June 2011, 06:42 AM	#5
dc1971 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,033	Originally Posted by Cobalt Not being a fan of FN or anything I'd ask if he's billed as a reporter or he just has an opinion show? Still questioning Barack Obama's birth certificate is not opinion, it's stupidity.
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16th June 2011, 06:57 AM	#6
Newtons Bit Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,051	Originally Posted by hgc And also pretending to be misinformed enough to think that Net Neutrality is ... It's all quite calculated for targeted effect. I'm not sure. Truthers have qualities that allow them to be REALLY misinformed.
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16th June 2011, 07:08 AM	#7
hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,143	Originally Posted by Newtons Bit I'm not sure. Truthers have qualities that allow them to be REALLY misinformed. I was thinking of Napolitano and Net Neutrality. A classic case of using feigned ignorance to advance the corporatist agenda.
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16th June 2011, 07:15 AM	#8
Newtons Bit Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,051	Originally Posted by hgc I was thinking of Napolitano and Net Neutrality. A classic case of using feigned ignorance to advance the corporatist agenda. Yea, I get what you're saying. I'm just saying that someone who can believe that 9/11 was an inside job can believe just about anything without having to feign ignorance.
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16th June 2011, 07:29 AM	#9
Grizzly Bear このマスクによっ Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 5,692	Originally Posted by dc1971 Still questioning Barack Obama's birth certificate is not opinion, it's stupidity. I watch Fox News but I rarely view the actual opinion programs other than maybe Bill Oralie (sp?). These opinion shows may be biased but they're rarely enough news to be considered "news." In many cases these are political commentaries based on the opinions of the host. There's a lot of the same political shotgunning in MSNBC; admittedly I follow their programming about as much as I follow fox's, very little. Point is, the opinion shows aren't the same as the news blocks.
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16th June 2011, 08:45 AM	#10
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BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,500	Originally Posted by AlBell Yeah, truth-in-advertising hurts (Democrats). Don't tell me that you are actually gullible enough to have believed that line of malarkey, because I know you're smarter than that. You do not have to defend every insane idea a popular conservative vomits forth, you know, conservatism would actually be stronger if you could identify them as crazy and talk about real things like monetary policy, government waste, and public/private sector cooperation that conservatives have valuable things to say about.
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17th June 2011, 09:32 PM	#16
hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,143	Originally Posted by Allen773 Fox News is to journalism as McDonald's is to gourmet dining. Great! Let's play the Analogy Game. Aristotelian format, please. Fox News : Journalism :: Fox : Hen house Fox News : Journalism :: Dick Cheney : Humanity
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dc1971 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,033	Originally Posted by hgc Great! Let's play the Analogy Game. Aristotelian format, please. Fox News : Journalism :: Fox : Hen house Fox News : Journalism :: Dick Cheney : Humanity Or could we have IPv6 format? fn:jn::fx:hh fn:jn::dc:hu
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17th June 2011, 11:22 PM	#18
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 21,090	Fox News is not a journalism medium.
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hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,143	Originally Posted by dc1971 Or could we have IPv6 format? fn:jn::fx:hh fn:jn::dc:hu Love it
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18th June 2011, 07:06 AM	#20
Nursedan Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 492	Originally Posted by dc1971 Hello Fox News fans who are here on JREF: I have a question about Eric Bolling and maybe some of you Fox News "experts" can answer this for me. Why is it that someone like Eric Bolling who is still questioning the authenticity of Barack Obama's birth certificate considered a news journalist? DC What standard are you going by when asking this question? I guess I can answer literally, not having heard or Bolling; I'd say that a journalist is someone who reports the news. That would be my standard. I guess if some people still think the BC issue is relevent then it......is, and he is representing their (misguided IMO) viewpoint.
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18th June 2011, 09:52 AM	#21
Ausmerican Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,416	Originally Posted by Nursedan What standard are you going by when asking this question? I guess I can answer literally, not having heard or Bolling; I'd say that a journalist is someone who reports the news. That would be my standard. I guess if some people still think the BC issue is relevent then it......is, and he is representing their (misguided IMO) viewpoint. You know there are still flat earthers out there? Do they deserve representation in the news as well? Not all points of view have equal validity, indeed, some have none.
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Nursedan Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 492	Originally Posted by Ausmerican You know there are still flat earthers out there? Do they deserve representation in the news as well? Not all points of view have equal validity, indeed, some have none. Ok, but flat-earthers are not relevant in the news today the way the issue of Obama's BC is. Also, I don't know how much time was spent on Fox News discussing this. Was there a half hour investigation? or was it a blurb from a sometimes contributor? It's hard to make a call on a specific story not having seen it. I'd still be curious as to the OPs standard for what constitues a journalist. I'll bet this varies greatly from person to person.
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20th June 2011, 04:59 PM	#23
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20th June 2011, 05:15 PM	#24
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 21,090	But how large of an audience will he reach?
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Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,406	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken But how large of an audience will he reach? It will be smaller. And more fervid.

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