Freemen are just getting greedy (also stupider)

Travis · 6th July 2011, 06:33 AM

So this guy, Darryl James Swanson, calls up several government agencies to tell them he wants to kill the entire Obama family. Naturally he is arrested. And now they think he's insane.

What was he so mad about?

Quote:

The day after the call to the AP, Swanson told Secret Service agent Ronald Brown that he made the call because he was frustrated that the president has not sent him a check for $70 million, which he claims he is owed from a trust fund set up at his birth, court documents show. Brown told him that no trust fund exists.

So...........these people think this magic check will just get sent to them? Yeah. I think they are insane too. It will be interesting to see what the psych evaluation says.

Alferd_Packer · 6th July 2011, 06:39 AM

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Mert Rockney Jr., a friend of Swanson's family, said his disheveled pal has struggled with mental issues.

"Darryl's harmless," Rockney said. "He just needs to have someone to intervene with him so he takes the right medication."

Ya think?

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...#ixzz1RKf17Yv6[/b]

Davidlpf · 6th July 2011, 06:39 AM

So Canadian citizens have trust accounts of $40 million each. Where's my money?

jargon buster · 6th July 2011, 06:41 AM

I told Menard that the popularity of the freeman movement would be its undoing.
We now have more crackpots trying to use it and the crafty old fox Menard has disappeared off the internet to live in the woods.
I predict the disappearance of Menards videos and youtube sites shortly as he distances himself from the potential media glare.

Alferd_Packer · 6th July 2011, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by Davidlpf

So Canadian citizens have trust accounts of $40 million each. Where's my money?

We gave it to William Shatner. He was supposed to give it to you. Contact him about it.

WildCat · 6th July 2011, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by jargon buster

I told Menard that the popularity of the freeman movement would be its undoing.
We now have more crackpots trying to use it and the crafty old fox Menard has disappeared off the internet to live in the woods.
I predict the disappearance of Menards videos and youtube sites shortly as he distances himself from the potential media glare.

That's not true! I bought a new water heater at Menard's just last weekend.

Davidlpf · 6th July 2011, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by alferd_packer

we gave it to william shatner. He was supposed to give it to you. Contact him about it.

Shatner!!!

dafydd · 6th July 2011, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by Davidlpf

Shatner!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB3uVARNhmM

BobHaulk · 6th July 2011, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by jargon buster

I told Menard that the popularity of the freeman movement would be its undoing.
We now have more crackpots trying to use it and the crafty old fox Menard has disappeared off the internet to live in the woods.
I predict the disappearance of Menards videos and youtube sites shortly as he distances himself from the potential media glare.

i'm not sure about him disappearing, he loves the attention. The only reason for him being off the internet,i would wager, is he can't pay his provider and they've cut him off. Or maybe he's actually claimed his 40 million and is living in a yacht moored in Montecarlo.

jargon buster · 6th July 2011, 08:16 AM

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i'm not sure about him disappearing, he loves the attention.

Its the attention of the authorities that he's avoiding, not his adoring fans.
He is now intrinsically linked to freeman on the land and as such any mainstream reporters looking into this will see his name pop up and he will be investigated.
Once hes dragged in by the authorities and his idiotic refusal of consent is exposed to all with him on the receiving end then he has no where to go.

Being picked up and questioned as to his involvement in the sovereign movement is the last thing he wants.

Which is why I have been spreading the word of his exploits all over the web including law enforcement websites for the last 2 years.
He has helped my cause no end by joining in the debates on Ickes and providing mountains of anecdotal evidence that he is indeed involved up to his armpits.

ComfySlippers · 6th July 2011, 09:26 AM

I'm sure Menard will, now he has fleeced enough money off his gullible followers for his allotment, simply tell the authorities "it was all for entertainment value only... look I even have disclaimers saying so"

Either that or it'll be a shoot-out at Menard-Gardens between the authorities and him and his imaginary police force.

jargon buster · 6th July 2011, 09:35 AM

news at Eleven , Menard located

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiDUq...eature=related

ComfySlippers · 6th July 2011, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by jargon buster

news at Eleven , Menard located

Awesome. The New FOTL Anthem!

BobHaulk · 6th July 2011, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by jargon buster

Its the attention of the authorities that he's avoiding, not his adoring fans.
He is now intrinsically linked to freeman on the land and as such any mainstream reporters looking into this will see his name pop up and he will be investigated.
Once hes dragged in by the authorities and his idiotic refusal of consent is exposed to all with him on the receiving end then he has no where to go.

Being picked up and questioned as to his involvement in the sovereign movement is the last thing he wants.

Which is why I have been spreading the word of his exploits all over the web including law enforcement websites for the last 2 years.
He has helped my cause no end by joining in the debates on Ickes and providing mountains of anecdotal evidence that he is indeed involved up to his armpits.

i have enjoyed your pursuit of Menard immensely. He's deserved it.

jargon buster · 6th July 2011, 12:26 PM

Quote:

i have enjoyed your pursuit of Menard immensely. He's deserved it.

Thanks bob, I have enjoyed your posts along the way.
The thing is if Menard had simply answered a few questions two years ago rather than being insulting and evasive I would probably not have bothered with him.
He still likes to think I am some government agent sent to plague him when in reality Im just some bloke who saw one of his videos and wanted a few points clearing up.
Once he was arsy then I made it my mission to expose him to as many people as I could, and he actually thought I was being helpful

what a "Menard"

Hans · 6th July 2011, 12:38 PM

I believe the term in this case should be 'Grand Menard' to raise it above just a common Menard

Alferd_Packer · 6th July 2011, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by jargon buster

what a "Menard"

a "menard" is a big toothy smile.

Ladewig · 6th July 2011, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Travis

So this guy, Darryl James Swanson, calls up several government agencies to tell them he wants to kill the entire Obama family. Naturally he is arrested. And now they think he's insane.

What was he so mad about?So...........these people think this magic check will just get sent to them? Yeah. I think they are insane too. It will be interesting to see what the psych evaluation says.

I think in this particular case we have someone who might be displaying symptoms of mental illness [DISCLAIMER: I am not a doctor. I am not diagnosing this man. I am merely speculating that a psych eval might be the proper course of action]. That being said, I will agree with the OP. There seems to be a shortage of people who, upon being told that X million dollars is available for the asking, never approach the person making the claim and say, "how's chances of my seeing your multi-million dollar bank account?" They don't teach critical thinking in schools.

The other aspect of this story I find fascinating is the exact dollar amount. I remember 20 years ago when people talked about a mere million dollar birth bond. Now it is up to $70 million.

Ladewig · 6th July 2011, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by jargon buster

I told Menard that the popularity of the freeman movement would be its undoing.
We now have more crackpots trying to use it and the crafty old fox Menard has disappeared off the internet to live in the woods.
I predict the disappearance of Menards videos and youtube sites shortly as he distances himself from the potential media glare.

Does Professional BS Artist Menard have an opinion on birth bonds?

16.5 · 6th July 2011, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer

a "menard" is a big toothy insincere smile.

Aww, that is not fair.

I've met the Menards Guy, he is the nicest fellow you'll ever want to meet.

jargon buster · 6th July 2011, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Does Professional BS Artist Menard have an opinion on birth bonds?

Oh yes, he believes they exist and are worth $8 million.
He doesn't want to access his as he would rather have the stock option than the cash.
Thats stock options in a society he doesn't acknowledge exists ( go figure)

He once mention in one of his videos about accessing it and someone in the crowd asked him when, he said he just had to find time to complete the paperwork, that was over two years ago.
Must be some complicated process, Im sure I would have completed it when there was $8 million sitting there just waiting to be claimed.

ComfySlippers · 6th July 2011, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Does Professional BS Artist Menard have an opinion on birth bonds?

Menard has an opinion on everything. Unfortunately his opinions are as scammy as a scam-town scam-rat.

Like all pedlars of this scam Menard will tell you <insert youtube link to one of his "seminars" here> that your birth certificate has a number on it which you can track on the stock exchange to see what your value is.

(I cannot be arsed searching for said video, but he's in someone's garden. Mrmitee is his youtube cess-pit)

ETA: Menard YouTube Birth Bond Nonsense
Menard enters at approx 1:25
Take note of how he ignores the person who presents a birth certificate that doesn't have the super secret magic number.

ETA2: Part2
@4:31 in Part2 Menard openly lies about the scam he is promoting.

Part3
@2:20 He blatantly lies yet again.

Alferd_Packer · 6th July 2011, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by 16.5

Aww, that is not fair.

I've met the Menards Guy, he is the nicest fellow you'll ever want to meet.

OK, fixed.

Travis · 6th July 2011, 03:54 PM

It was just a matter of time before someone took this Freeman stuff way too far. Thank goodness this was just a guy making threatening phone calls.

LashL · 6th July 2011, 08:08 PM

"My" FOTLer has gone seriously off the rails recently. S/he started out with just a minor offence, nothing serious at all, but s/he has since snowballed into full-fledged FOTL nonsense, stopped insuring his/her vehicle, ended up losing his/her vehicle through impoundment and failing to pay the impound fees, has since amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines, has lost his/her driver's licence as a result, has stopped paying his/her rent and other bills (because his/her "bond" via his/her birth certificate should be utilized to pay his/her bills) and is being evicted from his/her home, and then s/he went to the courthouse and said things to court staff that fall only a hair's breadth short of threatening (references to coming to the courthouse with a gun), has been visited by the police as a result, and is soon to be jailed for the outstanding fines and such. This person, as a result of buying into the FOTL nonsense has not only lost his/her vehicle and is not only about to be evicted from his/her government subsidized home, but is also going to end up in jail for a considerable period of time for contempt of court among other things.

Those who espouse (and sell) the FoTL nonsense should be ashamed of themselves. I feel sorry for "my" FoTLer to a certain extent because I recognize mental illness when I see it and his/her mental illness is being exploited by the FoTL crew, but all I can do is shake my head and when it comes to the point of threatening court staff, my sympathy evaporates entirely.

This isn't going to end well at all. This person is going to end up losing everything s/he ever had, and end up homeless (notwithstanding his/her belief s/he can just check into the local Sheraton hotel and sign off the bills to his/her "birth certificate bond" to be paid by the federal government on account of his/her "birth certificate bond" and other such nonsense - we all know how that will turn out). The reality is that this person is going to go to jail and when s/he gets out of jail, all of his/her belongings will be long gone, sold for debts owed, etc., and s/he will never recover from this BS.

All because of people like Menard and others who try to sell their particular brand of woo to the mentally incompetent.

It's really, really sad.

geni · 6th July 2011, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by jargon buster

I told Menard that the popularity of the freeman movement would be its undoing.
We now have more crackpots trying to use it and the crafty old fox Menard has disappeared off the internet to live in the woods.
I predict the disappearance of Menards videos and youtube sites shortly as he distances himself from the potential media glare.

How popular is it though? "freeman on the land" doesn't get enough searches to show up in google trends. People only search for Freeman on the land on wikipedia about 120 times a month:

http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Freeman_on_the_land

Thats less than say cash gifting

http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Cash_gifting

A Pyramid scheme that has long since passed its peak.

fromdownunder · 6th July 2011, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by LashL

The reality is that this person is going to go to jail ..

Well, (s)he will get dree accomodation, free meals, probably a decent (free) library service, laundry done by others, changes of clothes, probably computer and education access (hey, he could study law while he is in). Flawless Voctory.

Norm

fullflavormenthol · 6th July 2011, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer

a "menard" is a big toothy smile.

We just now got a Menard's where I live, and so I did not know the history of the store...including any spokesmen in the past. Heck given their commercials I could have sworn they were a newer local place. Weird things I learn here.

dropzone · 6th July 2011, 11:27 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngaUBXwzza4

fullflavormenthol · 6th July 2011, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by dropzone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngaUBXwzza4

Man....it is like when I moved from Joplin to Wichita and found out that they too had a Furniture Factory Outlet. It is literally something that blows one's mind because you are used to cheap looking commercials being the product of only local companies. Literally this thread pointed me to a wealth of youtube videos detailing a long legacy of commercials for a store that I thought was only local.

EDIT: And I'll stop going off topic, but this thread inspired me to search a horrible local commercial online for Grouppig only to find that that horrible CGI pig is everywhere. Some commercials just look cheap.

Grassy Knowlington · 7th July 2011, 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by LashL

"My" FOTLer has gone seriously off the rails recently. S/he started out with just a minor offence, nothing serious at all, but s/he has since snowballed into full-fledged FOTL nonsense, stopped insuring his/her vehicle, ended up losing his/her vehicle through impoundment and failing to pay the impound fees, has since amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines, has lost his/her driver's licence as a result, has stopped paying his/her rent and other bills (because his/her "bond" via his/her birth certificate should be utilized to pay his/her bills) and is being evicted from his/her home, and then s/he went to the courthouse and said things to court staff that fall only a hair's breadth short of threatening (references to coming to the courthouse with a gun), has been visited by the police as a result, and is soon to be jailed for the outstanding fines and such. This person, as a result of buying into the FOTL nonsense has not only lost his/her vehicle and is not only about to be evicted from his/her government subsidized home, but is also going to end up in jail for a considerable period of time for contempt of court among other things.

Those who espouse (and sell) the FoTL nonsense should be ashamed of themselves. I feel sorry for "my" FoTLer to a certain extent because I recognize mental illness when I see it and his/her mental illness is being exploited by the FoTL crew, but all I can do is shake my head and when it comes to the point of threatening court staff, my sympathy evaporates entirely.

This isn't going to end well at all. This person is going to end up losing everything s/he ever had, and end up homeless (notwithstanding his/her belief s/he can just check into the local Sheraton hotel and sign off the bills to his/her "birth certificate bond" to be paid by the federal government on account of his/her "birth certificate bond" and other such nonsense - we all know how that will turn out). The reality is that this person is going to go to jail and when s/he gets out of jail, all of his/her belongings will be long gone, sold for debts owed, etc., and s/he will never recover from this BS.

All because of people like Menard and others who try to sell their particular brand of woo to the mentally incompetent.

It's really, really sad.

And incomprehensible.

Being married for many years to someone who now espouses a raft of beliefs similar to those described above I still cannot fathom the mix of tortured logic, wholesale denial and black/white view of the world (you're for me or against me) seemingly required to maintain such a position. It looks to be a one-way journey too; a sort of one-upmanship of how much of what goes on around can be blamed on Them.

fuelair · 7th July 2011, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by Hans

I believe the term in this case should be 'Grand Menard' to raise it above just a common Menard

Well, I had to leave the computer a few minutes ago to take a Menard. It wasn't Grand so I just flushed it. I suspect anyone taking a Menard should also remember to flush afterward.

Mojo · 7th July 2011, 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by LashL

"My" FOTLer has gone seriously off the rails recently. S/he started out with just a minor offence, nothing serious at all, but s/he has since snowballed into full-fledged FOTL nonsense, stopped insuring his/her vehicle, ended up losing his/her vehicle through impoundment and failing to pay the impound fees, has since amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines, has lost his/her driver's licence as a result, has stopped paying his/her rent and other bills (because his/her "bond" via his/her birth certificate should be utilized to pay his/her bills) and is being evicted from his/her home, and then s/he went to the courthouse and said things to court staff that fall only a hair's breadth short of threatening (references to coming to the courthouse with a gun), has been visited by the police as a result, and is soon to be jailed for the outstanding fines and such. This person, as a result of buying into the FOTL nonsense has not only lost his/her vehicle and is not only about to be evicted from his/her government subsidized home, but is also going to end up in jail for a considerable period of time for contempt of court among other things.

Shouldn't this be in the "FOTL success stories" thread?

BaaBaa · 7th July 2011, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by Hans

I believe the term in this case should be 'Grand Menard' to raise it above just a common Menard

"You never go full Menard."

ComfySlippers · 7th July 2011, 10:21 AM

My latest film, "Full Mental Menard", will premiere in Cannes next year.

Elizabeth I · 7th July 2011, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by ComfySlippers

My latest film, "Full Mental Menard", will premiere in Cannes next year.

Starring Wesley Snipes?

dropzone · 7th July 2011, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by LashL

"My" FOTLer has gone seriously off the rails recently. S/he started out with just a minor offence, nothing serious at all, but s/he has since snowballed into full-fledged FOTL nonsense, ... ended up losing his/her vehicle through impoundment and failing to pay the impound fees, has since amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines, has lost his/her driver's licence as a result...

Oh hell, my daughter managed all that PLUS four nights in jail because she didn't have proof of insurance. Then her car was repoed from the impound lot. I had co-signed on the loan so I have scraped up the money needed to get it out of repo because I could really use the car. When driving through her town I plan to put a sign in the back window that says, "I'm not (her name)" because the cops know her car and a yellow Focus is hard to hide.

No FOTL beliefs needed, just an idiot who was embarassed to tell people she's an idiot and needed some help.

Grassy Knowlington · 8th July 2011, 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by ComfySlippers

My latest film, "Full Mental Menard", will premiere in Cannes next year.

As will be my gripping outdoor adventure "Up Menard Creek Without a Paddle".

PS, there is a Menard Creek in Texas just in case anyone is thinking I make this stuff up.

ComfySlippers · 8th July 2011, 03:26 PM

"Up Menard's Creek without a Paddle... A personal story of paranoia, gullibility and stupidity."

(Screenplay by Girlgye)

Elizabeth I · 8th July 2011, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Grassy Knowlington

As will be my gripping outdoor adventure "Up Menard Creek Without a Paddle".

PS, there is a Menard Creek in Texas just in case anyone is thinking I make this stuff up.

As a matter of fact, there's a whole town named Menard. Kind of a nice little town in the Texas Hill Country.

6th July 2011, 06:33 AM	#1
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 17,937	Freemen are just getting greedy (also stupider) So this guy, Darryl James Swanson, calls up several government agencies to tell them he wants to kill the entire Obama family. Naturally he is arrested. And now they think he's insane. What was he so mad about? Quote: The day after the call to the AP, Swanson told Secret Service agent Ronald Brown that he made the call because he was frustrated that the president has not sent him a check for $70 million, which he claims he is owed from a trust fund set up at his birth, court documents show. Brown told him that no trust fund exists. So...........these people think this magic check will just get sent to them? Yeah. I think they are insane too. It will be interesting to see what the psych evaluation says.
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6th July 2011, 06:39 AM	#2
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,191	Quote: Mert Rockney Jr., a friend of Swanson's family, said his disheveled pal has struggled with mental issues. "Darryl's harmless," Rockney said. "He just needs to have someone to intervene with him so he takes the right medication." Ya think? Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...#ixzz1RKf17Yv6[/b]
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6th July 2011, 06:39 AM	#3
Davidlpf Muse Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 538	So Canadian citizens have trust accounts of $40 million each. Where's my money?
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6th July 2011, 06:41 AM	#4
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,046	I told Menard that the popularity of the freeman movement would be its undoing. We now have more crackpots trying to use it and the crafty old fox Menard has disappeared off the internet to live in the woods. I predict the disappearance of Menards videos and youtube sites shortly as he distances himself from the potential media glare.
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6th July 2011, 06:44 AM	#5
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,191	Originally Posted by Davidlpf So Canadian citizens have trust accounts of $40 million each. Where's my money? We gave it to William Shatner. He was supposed to give it to you. Contact him about it.
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6th July 2011, 06:44 AM	#6
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,978	Originally Posted by jargon buster I told Menard that the popularity of the freeman movement would be its undoing. We now have more crackpots trying to use it and the crafty old fox Menard has disappeared off the internet to live in the woods. I predict the disappearance of Menards videos and youtube sites shortly as he distances himself from the potential media glare. That's not true! I bought a new water heater at Menard's just last weekend.

6th July 2011, 06:53 AM	#7
Davidlpf Muse Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 538	Originally Posted by alferd_packer we gave it to william shatner. He was supposed to give it to you. Contact him about it. *Shatner!!!*
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6th July 2011, 07:10 AM	#8
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,443	Originally Posted by Davidlpf *Shatner!!!* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB3uVARNhmM

6th July 2011, 07:55 AM	#9
BobHaulk Muse Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 690	Originally Posted by jargon buster I told Menard that the popularity of the freeman movement would be its undoing. We now have more crackpots trying to use it and the crafty old fox Menard has disappeared off the internet to live in the woods. I predict the disappearance of Menards videos and youtube sites shortly as he distances himself from the potential media glare. i'm not sure about him disappearing, he loves the attention. The only reason for him being off the internet,i would wager, is he can't pay his provider and they've cut him off. Or maybe he's actually claimed his 40 million and is living in a yacht moored in Montecarlo.
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6th July 2011, 08:16 AM	#10
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,046	Quote: i'm not sure about him disappearing, he loves the attention. Its the attention of the authorities that he's avoiding, not his adoring fans. He is now intrinsically linked to freeman on the land and as such any mainstream reporters looking into this will see his name pop up and he will be investigated. Once hes dragged in by the authorities and his idiotic refusal of consent is exposed to all with him on the receiving end then he has no where to go. Being picked up and questioned as to his involvement in the sovereign movement is the last thing he wants. Which is why I have been spreading the word of his exploits all over the web including law enforcement websites for the last 2 years. He has helped my cause no end by joining in the debates on Ickes and providing mountains of anecdotal evidence that he is indeed involved up to his armpits.
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6th July 2011, 09:26 AM	#11
ComfySlippers Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: UK Posts: 1,080	I'm sure Menard will, now he has fleeced enough money off his gullible followers for his allotment, simply tell the authorities "it was all for entertainment value only... look I even have disclaimers saying so" Either that or it'll be a shoot-out at Menard-Gardens between the authorities and him and his imaginary police force.
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6th July 2011, 09:35 AM	#12
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,046	news at Eleven , Menard located http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiDUq...eature=related
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6th July 2011, 10:16 AM	#13
ComfySlippers Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: UK Posts: 1,080	Originally Posted by jargon buster news at Eleven , Menard located Awesome. The New FOTL Anthem!
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6th July 2011, 10:36 AM	#14
BobHaulk Muse Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 690	Originally Posted by jargon buster Its the attention of the authorities that he's avoiding, not his adoring fans. He is now intrinsically linked to freeman on the land and as such any mainstream reporters looking into this will see his name pop up and he will be investigated. Once hes dragged in by the authorities and his idiotic refusal of consent is exposed to all with him on the receiving end then he has no where to go. Being picked up and questioned as to his involvement in the sovereign movement is the last thing he wants. Which is why I have been spreading the word of his exploits all over the web including law enforcement websites for the last 2 years. He has helped my cause no end by joining in the debates on Ickes and providing mountains of anecdotal evidence that he is indeed involved up to his armpits. i have enjoyed your pursuit of Menard immensely. He's deserved it.
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6th July 2011, 12:26 PM	#15
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,046	Quote: i have enjoyed your pursuit of Menard immensely. He's deserved it. Thanks bob, I have enjoyed your posts along the way. The thing is if Menard had simply answered a few questions two years ago rather than being insulting and evasive I would probably not have bothered with him. He still likes to think I am some government agent sent to plague him when in reality Im just some bloke who saw one of his videos and wanted a few points clearing up. Once he was arsy then I made it my mission to expose him to as many people as I could, and he actually thought I was being helpful what a "Menard"
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6th July 2011, 12:38 PM	#16
Hans Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: NW United States Posts: 2,782	I believe the term in this case should be 'Grand Menard' to raise it above just a common Menard

6th July 2011, 12:47 PM	#18
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,786	Originally Posted by Travis So this guy, Darryl James Swanson, calls up several government agencies to tell them he wants to kill the entire Obama family. Naturally he is arrested. And now they think he's insane. What was he so mad about?So...........these people think this magic check will just get sent to them? Yeah. I think they are insane too. It will be interesting to see what the psych evaluation says. I think in this particular case we have someone who might be displaying symptoms of mental illness [DISCLAIMER: I am not a doctor. I am not diagnosing this man. I am merely speculating that a psych eval might be the proper course of action]. That being said, I will agree with the OP. There seems to be a shortage of people who, upon being told that X million dollars is available for the asking, never approach the person making the claim and say, "how's chances of my seeing your multi-million dollar bank account?" They don't teach critical thinking in schools. The other aspect of this story I find fascinating is the exact dollar amount. I remember 20 years ago when people talked about a mere million dollar birth bond. Now it is up to $70 million.
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6th July 2011, 12:48 PM	#19
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,786	Originally Posted by jargon buster I told Menard that the popularity of the freeman movement would be its undoing. We now have more crackpots trying to use it and the crafty old fox Menard has disappeared off the internet to live in the woods. I predict the disappearance of Menards videos and youtube sites shortly as he distances himself from the potential media glare. Does Professional BS Artist Menard have an opinion on birth bonds?
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6th July 2011, 12:51 PM	#20
16.5 Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,622	Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer a "menard" is a big toothy insincere smile. Aww, that is not fair. I've met the Menards Guy, he is the nicest fellow you'll ever want to meet.
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6th July 2011, 12:58 PM	#21
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,046	Quote: Does Professional BS Artist Menard have an opinion on birth bonds? Oh yes, he believes they exist and are worth $8 million. He doesn't want to access his as he would rather have the stock option than the cash. Thats stock options in a society he doesn't acknowledge exists ( go figure) He once mention in one of his videos about accessing it and someone in the crowd asked him when, he said he just had to find time to complete the paperwork, that was over two years ago. Must be some complicated process, Im sure I would have completed it when there was $8 million sitting there just waiting to be claimed.
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6th July 2011, 01:13 PM	#22
ComfySlippers Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: UK Posts: 1,080	Quote: Does Professional BS Artist Menard have an opinion on birth bonds? Menard has an opinion on everything. Unfortunately his opinions are as scammy as a scam-town scam-rat. Like all pedlars of this scam Menard will tell you <insert youtube link to one of his "seminars" here> that your birth certificate has a number on it which you can track on the stock exchange to see what your value is. (I cannot be arsed searching for said video, but he's in someone's garden. Mrmitee is his youtube cess-pit) ETA: Menard YouTube Birth Bond Nonsense Menard enters at approx 1:25 Take note of how he ignores the person who presents a birth certificate that doesn't have the super secret magic number. ETA2: Part2 @4:31 in Part2 Menard openly lies about the scam he is promoting. Part3 @2:20 He blatantly lies yet again.
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6th July 2011, 01:37 PM	#23
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,191	Originally Posted by 16.5 Aww, that is not fair. I've met the Menards Guy, he is the nicest fellow you'll ever want to meet. OK, fixed.
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6th July 2011, 03:54 PM	#24
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 17,937	It was just a matter of time before someone took this Freeman stuff way too far. Thank goodness this was just a guy making threatening phone calls.
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6th July 2011, 08:08 PM	#25
LashL Goddess of Legaltainment™ Administrator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 26,174	"My" FOTLer has gone seriously off the rails recently. S/he started out with just a minor offence, nothing serious at all, but s/he has since snowballed into full-fledged FOTL nonsense, stopped insuring his/her vehicle, ended up losing his/her vehicle through impoundment and failing to pay the impound fees, has since amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines, has lost his/her driver's licence as a result, has stopped paying his/her rent and other bills (because his/her "bond" via his/her birth certificate should be utilized to pay his/her bills) and is being evicted from his/her home, and then s/he went to the courthouse and said things to court staff that fall only a hair's breadth short of threatening (references to coming to the courthouse with a gun), has been visited by the police as a result, and is soon to be jailed for the outstanding fines and such. This person, as a result of buying into the FOTL nonsense has not only lost his/her vehicle and is not only about to be evicted from his/her government subsidized home, but is also going to end up in jail for a considerable period of time for contempt of court among other things. Those who espouse (and sell) the FoTL nonsense should be ashamed of themselves. I feel sorry for "my" FoTLer to a certain extent because I recognize mental illness when I see it and his/her mental illness is being exploited by the FoTL crew, but all I can do is shake my head and when it comes to the point of threatening court staff, my sympathy evaporates entirely. This isn't going to end well at all. This person is going to end up losing everything s/he ever had, and end up homeless (notwithstanding his/her belief s/he can just check into the local Sheraton hotel and sign off the bills to his/her "birth certificate bond" to be paid by the federal government on account of his/her "birth certificate bond" and other such nonsense - we all know how that will turn out). The reality is that this person is going to go to jail and when s/he gets out of jail, all of his/her belongings will be long gone, sold for debts owed, etc., and s/he will never recover from this BS. All because of people like Menard and others who try to sell their particular brand of woo to the mentally incompetent. It's really, really sad.

6th July 2011, 08:44 PM	#26
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,555	Originally Posted by jargon buster I told Menard that the popularity of the freeman movement would be its undoing. We now have more crackpots trying to use it and the crafty old fox Menard has disappeared off the internet to live in the woods. I predict the disappearance of Menards videos and youtube sites shortly as he distances himself from the potential media glare. How popular is it though? "freeman on the land" doesn't get enough searches to show up in google trends. People only search for Freeman on the land on wikipedia about 120 times a month: http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Freeman_on_the_land Thats less than say cash gifting http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Cash_gifting A Pyramid scheme that has long since passed its peak.

6th July 2011, 09:53 PM	#27
fromdownunder Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,091	Originally Posted by LashL The reality is that this person is going to go to jail .. Well, (s)he will get dree accomodation, free meals, probably a decent (free) library service, laundry done by others, changes of clothes, probably computer and education access (hey, he could study law while he is in). Flawless Voctory. Norm

6th July 2011, 10:56 PM	#28
fullflavormenthol Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,417	Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer a "menard" is a big toothy smile. We just now got a Menard's where I live, and so I did not know the history of the store...including any spokesmen in the past. Heck given their commercials I could have sworn they were a newer local place. Weird things I learn here.
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6th July 2011, 11:27 PM	#29
dropzone Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,666	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngaUBXwzza4

6th July 2011, 11:37 PM	#30
fullflavormenthol Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,417	Originally Posted by dropzone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngaUBXwzza4 Man....it is like when I moved from Joplin to Wichita and found out that they too had a Furniture Factory Outlet. It is literally something that blows one's mind because you are used to cheap looking commercials being the product of only local companies. Literally this thread pointed me to a wealth of youtube videos detailing a long legacy of commercials for a store that I thought was only local. EDIT: And I'll stop going off topic, but this thread inspired me to search a horrible local commercial online for Grouppig only to find that that horrible CGI pig is everywhere. Some commercials just look cheap.
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7th July 2011, 01:39 AM	#31
Grassy Knowlington Muse Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: HAARP Command & Control Posts: 504	Originally Posted by LashL "My" FOTLer has gone seriously off the rails recently. S/he started out with just a minor offence, nothing serious at all, but s/he has since snowballed into full-fledged FOTL nonsense, stopped insuring his/her vehicle, ended up losing his/her vehicle through impoundment and failing to pay the impound fees, has since amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines, has lost his/her driver's licence as a result, has stopped paying his/her rent and other bills (because his/her "bond" via his/her birth certificate should be utilized to pay his/her bills) and is being evicted from his/her home, and then s/he went to the courthouse and said things to court staff that fall only a hair's breadth short of threatening (references to coming to the courthouse with a gun), has been visited by the police as a result, and is soon to be jailed for the outstanding fines and such. This person, as a result of buying into the FOTL nonsense has not only lost his/her vehicle and is not only about to be evicted from his/her government subsidized home, but is also going to end up in jail for a considerable period of time for contempt of court among other things. Those who espouse (and sell) the FoTL nonsense should be ashamed of themselves. I feel sorry for "my" FoTLer to a certain extent because I recognize mental illness when I see it and his/her mental illness is being exploited by the FoTL crew, but all I can do is shake my head and when it comes to the point of threatening court staff, my sympathy evaporates entirely. This isn't going to end well at all. This person is going to end up losing everything s/he ever had, and end up homeless (notwithstanding his/her belief s/he can just check into the local Sheraton hotel and sign off the bills to his/her "birth certificate bond" to be paid by the federal government on account of his/her "birth certificate bond" and other such nonsense - we all know how that will turn out). The reality is that this person is going to go to jail and when s/he gets out of jail, all of his/her belongings will be long gone, sold for debts owed, etc., and s/he will never recover from this BS. All because of people like Menard and others who try to sell their particular brand of woo to the mentally incompetent. It's really, really sad. And incomprehensible. Being married for many years to someone who now espouses a raft of beliefs similar to those described above I still cannot fathom the mix of tortured logic, wholesale denial and black/white view of the world (you're for me or against me) seemingly required to maintain such a position. It looks to be a one-way journey too; a sort of one-upmanship of how much of what goes on around can be blamed on Them.

7th July 2011, 04:03 AM	#32
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,881	Originally Posted by Hans I believe the term in this case should be 'Grand Menard' to raise it above just a common Menard Well, I had to leave the computer a few minutes ago to take a Menard. It wasn't Grand so I just flushed it. I suspect anyone taking a Menard should also remember to flush afterward.
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7th July 2011, 05:22 AM	#33
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,066	Originally Posted by LashL "My" FOTLer has gone seriously off the rails recently. S/he started out with just a minor offence, nothing serious at all, but s/he has since snowballed into full-fledged FOTL nonsense, stopped insuring his/her vehicle, ended up losing his/her vehicle through impoundment and failing to pay the impound fees, has since amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines, has lost his/her driver's licence as a result, has stopped paying his/her rent and other bills (because his/her "bond" via his/her birth certificate should be utilized to pay his/her bills) and is being evicted from his/her home, and then s/he went to the courthouse and said things to court staff that fall only a hair's breadth short of threatening (references to coming to the courthouse with a gun), has been visited by the police as a result, and is soon to be jailed for the outstanding fines and such. This person, as a result of buying into the FOTL nonsense has not only lost his/her vehicle and is not only about to be evicted from his/her government subsidized home, but is also going to end up in jail for a considerable period of time for contempt of court among other things. Shouldn't this be in the "FOTL success stories" thread?
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7th July 2011, 09:53 AM	#34
BaaBaa Semi-literate hench-person Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,419	Originally Posted by Hans I believe the term in this case should be 'Grand Menard' to raise it above just a common Menard "You never go full Menard."
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7th July 2011, 10:21 AM	#35
ComfySlippers Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: UK Posts: 1,080	My latest film, "Full Mental Menard", will premiere in Cannes next year.
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7th July 2011, 07:03 PM	#36
Elizabeth I Olympic Equestrian Wannabe Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Defending the Alamo Posts: 9,255	Originally Posted by ComfySlippers My latest film, "Full Mental Menard", will premiere in Cannes next year. Starring Wesley Snipes?
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