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pedrone · 9th July 2011, 10:06 PM

In the begginning of 2010 Red Bull had promoted a contest in Brazil.

Guglinski contributed with the advertisement ahead, where he showed that Red Bull could help finding the Higgs boson in the LHC.

any semelhançan with the current status of the LHC is a mere coincidence... ha ha ha

Removed images for breach of Rule 10.

Posted By:LashL

AdMan · 9th July 2011, 10:11 PM

This belongs in the humor subforum, not here.

pedrone · 9th July 2011, 10:12 PM

pedrone · 9th July 2011, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by AdMan

This belongs in the humor subforum, not here.

this is not humor, it's the tragedy of LHC... predicted by Guglinski in 2010

ha ha ha

Aepervius · 9th July 2011, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by AdMan

This belongs in the humor subforum, not here.

I guess you can call the humor. If you stretch it a lot

.

I would consign it to the crackpot subforum if it existed.

pedrone · 9th July 2011, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Aepervius

I guess you can call the humor. If you stretch it a lot

.

I would consign it to the crackpot subforum if it existed.

it's not humor...

...it's the tragedy of modern physics

AdMan · 9th July 2011, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Aepervius

I guess you can call the humor. If you stretch it a lot

.

I would consign it to the crackpot subforum if it existed.

Yes, I was being generous describing it as "humor".

pedrone · 9th July 2011, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by AdMan

Yes, I was being generous describing it as "humor".

tragical humor for current physics

HA HA HA

catsmate1 · 10th July 2011, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by Aepervius

I guess you can call the humor. If you stretch it a lot

.

I would consign it to the crackpot subforum if it existed.

Conspiracy Theories perhaps? What with pedrone's belief that everyone is suppressing his favourite crackpottery.

pedrone · 10th July 2011, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by catsmate1

Conspiracy Theories perhaps? What with pedrone's belief that everyone is suppressing his favourite crackpottery.

conspíracy theories ?

is there a conspiracy against the LHC searching to find the higgs boson ????

HA HA HA

Cuddles · 11th July 2011, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by pedrone

ha ha ha

Originally Posted by pedrone

ha ha ha

Originally Posted by pedrone

HA HA HA

Originally Posted by pedrone

HA HA HA

Um... yeah.

Turgor · 11th July 2011, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by Cuddles

Um... yeah.

I think I get what you mean, but here's a cartoon to help pedrone:

pedrone · 11th July 2011, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by pedrone

Removed images for breach of Rule 10.

Posted By:LashL

you can see the images in this link
http://conspiracyparadise.com/forum/...d.php?pid=2626

Complexity · 11th July 2011, 05:55 PM

I go away for a while, and this is what I get to come back to?

In Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology?

The horror.

Reality Check · 11th July 2011, 05:57 PM

The carton implies that Guglinski is under the impression that the LHC would detect the Higgs particle immediately.
This is something no competent scientist expects.
This is a sad reflection on Guglinsk's knowledge of physics.

However as humnor it is funny.
This thread should be moved to the Humor section since it contains no science, mathematics, medicine or technology.

Mr. Purple · 11th July 2011, 06:26 PM

I am experiencing great satisfaction with this thread. That said, I have no idea what it is about, and I think I read that cartoon backwards.

pedrone · 11th July 2011, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Purple

I am experiencing great satisfaction with this thread. That said, I have no idea what it is about, and I think I read that cartoon backwards.

here is the original, posted by Guglinski in 2010
http://www.redbull.com.br/cs/Satelli...1617&adId=9301

pedrone · 11th July 2011, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by pedrone

here is the original, posted by Guglinski in 2010
http://www.redbull.com.br/cs/Satelli...1617&adId=9301

Guglinski's prophecy in 2010:
Red Bull will launch this advertising at the beginning of 2012, when the experiences of Large Hadron Collider will confirm, in definitive, that the Higgs boson does not exist ( the “particle of God” which the physicists had tried to find )

Reality Check · 11th July 2011, 09:03 PM

Guglinski is indulging in wishful thinking.
It is expected that the LHC will have collected enough data by the end of 2012 to either

Confirm the existence of the Higgs particle or
Rule out the existence of the Higgs particle.

Assuming that the Higgs particle does not exist before the data is collected and analysed is crackpottery of the deepest kind.

Either result will be a resounding success for physics. FIlling out the Standard Model with a Higgs boson would be great. Not finding one that fits in the Standard Model in some senses is even better\ since this means some of the more estoeric theoris could be right.

DC · 11th July 2011, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by pedrone

Guglinski's prophecy in 2010:
Red Bull will launch this advertising at the beginning of 2012, when the experiences of Large Hadron Collider will confirm, in definitive, that the Higgs boson does not exist ( the “particle of God” which the physicists had tried to find )

you sound like you are totaly jealous that the people at LHC are doing real science

pedrone · 13th July 2011, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Reality Check

Assuming that the Higgs particle does not exist before the data is collected and analysed is crackpottery of the deepest kind.

No, it's not.

Actually it's a predicton of the best kind

Just because it's a prediction based on the fact that quantum mechanics is wrong, the standard model is wrong, and quantum field theory is wrong.

This will be evident in 2012, when Andrea Rossi's E-Cat will start to work in several places of the world

And then probably Red Bull will put Guglinski's advertisment in TV

pedrone · 13th July 2011, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by DC

you sound like you are totaly jealous that the people at LHC are doing real science

To look for something that does not exist is not real science, mainly because other experiments show that current theories are wrong, as for instance cold fusion.

Real science is doing by Andrea Rossi

DC · 13th July 2011, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by pedrone

To look for something that does not exist is not real science, mainly because other experiments show that current theories are wrong, as for instance cold fusion.

Real science is doing by Andrea Rossi

a shame nobody was able to show the current theories wrong

Verde · 13th July 2011, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by pedrone

This will be evident in 2012, when Andrea Rossi's E-Cat will start to work in several places of the world

And when it doesn't, you will just crawl back into the woodwork, quietly.
Enjoy the company of the other nutters, that have been pushing this stuff for the last few decades.

V.

Dancing David · 13th July 2011, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by pedrone

To look for something that does not exist is not real science, mainly because other experiments show that current theories are wrong, as for instance cold fusion.

Real science is doing by Andrea Rossi

Sure, neutrinos and Yukawa particles, just a waste of time.

Dancing David · 13th July 2011, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by pedrone

No, it's not.

Actually it's a predicton of the best kind

Just because it's a prediction based on the fact that quantum mechanics is wrong, the standard model is wrong, and quantum field theory is wrong.

This will be evident in 2012, when Andrea Rossi's E-Cat will start to work in several places of the world

And then probably Red Bull will put Guglinski's advertisment in TV

Be here December 1, and we will see.

dogjones · 14th July 2011, 07:24 AM

OMG!

All these emoticons are too much for me!

pedrone · 15th July 2011, 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by Dancing David

Sure, neutrinos and Yukawa particles, just a waste of time.

NEW EXPERIMENTS DISCARD SUPERSYMMETRY

Recent findings of Jony Hudson (ImperialCollege, London) and Aaron E. Leanhardt (University of Michigan, Ann Arbor) about the spherical shape of the electron and the absence of electron’s electric dipole moment, which – at least at the current state-of-the-art experimental precision – seem to work against the supersymmetry theory.

“What’s interesting is that the electron is so round it is becoming difficult for theories like supersymmetry to explain it,” said Hudson, whose finding ALREADY rules out the existence of some supersymmetric particles. … The findings, published in the journal Nature, already rule out some kinds of particles that theories suggested could pop into existence at the Large Hadron Collider at Cern, the European particle physics laboratory near Geneva.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...s-round-cosmos

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture10104.html

Does somebody remember what are the 3 goals of the LHC ?

Let's remember them
1- To find the Higgs boson
2- To find the supersymmetric particles, so that to confirm supersymmetry
3- To confirm superstrings

pedrone · 15th July 2011, 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by AdMan

This belongs in the humor subforum, not here.

Yes, supersymmetry is showing us that it's a very special subform of humor

Theoretical supersymmetry physicists are dying to laugh

DC · 15th July 2011, 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by pedrone

NEW EXPERIMENTS DISCARD SUPERSYMMETRY

Recent findings of Jony Hudson (ImperialCollege, London) and Aaron E. Leanhardt (University of Michigan, Ann Arbor) about the spherical shape of the electron and the absence of electron’s electric dipole moment, which – at least at the current state-of-the-art experimental precision – seem to work against the supersymmetry theory.

“What’s interesting is that the electron is so round it is becoming difficult for theories like supersymmetry to explain it,” said Hudson, whose finding ALREADY rules out the existence of some supersymmetric particles. … The findings, published in the journal Nature, already rule out some kinds of particles that theories suggested could pop into existence at the Large Hadron Collider at Cern, the European particle physics laboratory near Geneva.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...s-round-cosmos

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture10104.html

Does somebody remember what are the 3 goals of the LHC ?

Let's remember them
1- To find the Higgs boson
2- To find the supersymmetric particles, so that to confirm supersymmetry
3- To confirm superstrings

so?

Dancing David · 15th July 2011, 05:08 AM

Originally Posted by pedrone

NEW EXPERIMENTS DISCARD SUPERSYMMETRY

Recent findings of Jony Hudson (ImperialCollege, London) and Aaron E. Leanhardt (University of Michigan, Ann Arbor) about the spherical shape of the electron and the absence of electron’s electric dipole moment, which – at least at the current state-of-the-art experimental precision – seem to work against the supersymmetry theory.

“What’s interesting is that the electron is so round it is becoming difficult for theories like supersymmetry to explain it,” said Hudson, whose finding ALREADY rules out the existence of some supersymmetric particles. … The findings, published in the journal Nature, already rule out some kinds of particles that theories suggested could pop into existence at the Large Hadron Collider at Cern, the European particle physics laboratory near Geneva.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...s-round-cosmos

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture10104.html

Does somebody remember what are the 3 goals of the LHC ?

Let's remember them
1- To find the Higgs boson
2- To find the supersymmetric particles, so that to confirm supersymmetry
3- To confirm superstrings

As usual I don't think that the nature article says what you think it says, see you in December.

pedrone · 15th July 2011, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Dancing David

Originally Posted by pedrone

NEW EXPERIMENTS DISCARD SUPERSYMMETRY

Recent findings of Jony Hudson (ImperialCollege, London) and Aaron E. Leanhardt (University of Michigan, Ann Arbor) about the spherical shape of the electron and the absence of electron’s electric dipole moment, which – at least at the current state-of-the-art experimental precision – seem to work against the supersymmetry theory.

“What’s interesting is that the electron is so round it is becoming difficult for theories like supersymmetry to explain it,” said Hudson, whose finding ALREADY rules out the existence of some supersymmetric particles. … The findings, published in the journal Nature, already rule out some kinds of particles that theories suggested could pop into existence at the Large Hadron Collider at Cern, the European particle physics laboratory near Geneva.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/may/25/electrons-round-cosmos

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v473/n7348/full/nature10104.html

Does somebody remember what are the 3 goals of the LHC ?

Let's remember them
1- To find the Higgs boson
2- To find the supersymmetric particles, so that to confirm supersymmetry
3- To confirm superstrings

As usual I don't think that the nature article says what you think it says, see you in December.

now are you reading my thoughts ?

But I did think nothing

And I did say nothing

I just posted here a comment said by Jony Hudson, the author of the paper published by Nature.

If you think Jony Hudson is saying something that Nature article does not say...

... or if in your opinion Jony Hudson is thinking something that Nature article does not say...

... then please tell it to Jony Hudson...

...but not to me

And why do you want to see me in December ?

Do you think Jony Hudson can change his mind in December ?

Edited by LashL:

Fixed the quote tags to properly attribute the quoted posts.

sol invictus · 16th July 2011, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by pedrone

Does somebody remember what are the 3 goals of the LHC ?

Let's remember them
1- To find the Higgs boson
2- To find the supersymmetric particles, so that to confirm supersymmetry
3- To confirm superstrings

Where in the world did you get that?

The goal of the LHC has always been to discover the origin of electroweak symmetry breaking, which is probably the Higgs.

The one thing we know for certain is that something new happens at around the energies probed by LHC. It could be nothing more than the Higgs, or it could be the entire zoo of new particles predicted by low-scale supersymmetry. No one knows, and that's why they're doing the experiment.

Reality Check · 17th July 2011, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by pedrone

Just because it's a prediction based on the fact that quantum mechanics is wrong, the standard model is wrong, and quantum field theory is wrong.

It is a prediction from an ignorant crank who has the delusion that those theories are wrong

Evidence that shows that Guglinski is a crank.
Evidence that shows that Guglinski is a crank II
- He thinks that super-symmetry particles have light masses so that the selectron (lower mass estimates of ~20 GeV) can provide ~2 MeV of mass in a neutron.
- He thinks that there are 'replusive gravitons'. This of course requires the existence of negative mass and negative energy .
- He creates 2 new forces of nature (attractive and replusive gravity) and arbitrarily puts their strength at almost that of EM. Why not the strong force? Why not the weak force? Why not any of an infinite other values?

Real scientists know that theses theories are correct because they match what the real world tells us.

9th July 2011, 10:11 PM	#2
AdMan Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 7,343	This belongs in the humor subforum, not here.
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9th July 2011, 10:14 PM	#4
pedrone Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 508	Originally Posted by AdMan This belongs in the humor subforum, not here. this is not humor, it's the tragedy of LHC... predicted by Guglinski in 2010 ha ha ha
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9th July 2011, 10:33 PM	#5
Aepervius Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bierland. I mean , germany. Posts: 7,890	Originally Posted by AdMan This belongs in the humor subforum, not here. I guess you can call the humor. If you stretch it a lot . I would consign it to the crackpot subforum if it existed.
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9th July 2011, 10:37 PM	#6
pedrone Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 508	Originally Posted by Aepervius I guess you can call the humor. If you stretch it a lot . I would consign it to the crackpot subforum if it existed. it's not humor... ...it's the tragedy of modern physics
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9th July 2011, 10:37 PM	#7
AdMan Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 7,343	Originally Posted by Aepervius I guess you can call the humor. If you stretch it a lot . I would consign it to the crackpot subforum if it existed. Yes, I was being generous describing it as "humor".
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9th July 2011, 10:51 PM	#8
pedrone Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 508	Originally Posted by AdMan Yes, I was being generous describing it as "humor". tragical humor for current physics HA HA HA
pedrone Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 508

10th July 2011, 03:49 AM	#9
catsmate1 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Dublin (the one in Ireland) Posts: 7,243	Originally Posted by Aepervius I guess you can call the humor. If you stretch it a lot . I would consign it to the crackpot subforum if it existed. Conspiracy Theories perhaps? What with pedrone's belief that everyone is suppressing his favourite crackpottery.

10th July 2011, 06:29 AM	#10
pedrone Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 508	Originally Posted by catsmate1 Conspiracy Theories perhaps? What with pedrone's belief that everyone is suppressing his favourite crackpottery. conspíracy theories ? is there a conspiracy against the LHC searching to find the higgs boson ???? HA HA HA
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11th July 2011, 08:05 AM	#11
Cuddles Decoy Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A magical land full of pink fluffy sheeps and bunnies Posts: 16,672	Originally Posted by pedrone ha ha ha Originally Posted by pedrone ha ha ha Originally Posted by pedrone HA HA HA Originally Posted by pedrone HA HA HA Um... yeah.
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11th July 2011, 08:32 AM	#12
Turgor Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 281	Originally Posted by Cuddles Um... yeah. I think I get what you mean, but here's a cartoon to help pedrone:

11th July 2011, 05:55 PM	#14
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11th July 2011, 05:57 PM	#15
Reality Check Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 10,978	The carton implies that Guglinski is under the impression that the LHC would detect the Higgs particle immediately. This is something no competent scientist expects. This is a sad reflection on Guglinsk's knowledge of physics. However as humnor it is funny. This thread should be moved to the Humor section since it contains no science, mathematics, medicine or technology.
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11th July 2011, 06:26 PM	#16
Mr. Purple Some Other Guy on Some Other Job Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,437	I am experiencing great satisfaction with this thread. That said, I have no idea what it is about, and I think I read that cartoon backwards.
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11th July 2011, 07:48 PM	#17
pedrone Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 508	Originally Posted by Mr. Purple I am experiencing great satisfaction with this thread. That said, I have no idea what it is about, and I think I read that cartoon backwards. here is the original, posted by Guglinski in 2010 http://www.redbull.com.br/cs/Satelli...1617&adId=9301
pedrone Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 508

11th July 2011, 08:39 PM	#18
pedrone Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 508	Originally Posted by pedrone here is the original, posted by Guglinski in 2010 http://www.redbull.com.br/cs/Satelli...1617&adId=9301 Guglinski's prophecy in 2010: Red Bull will launch this advertising at the beginning of 2012, when the experiences of Large Hadron Collider will confirm, in definitive, that the Higgs boson does not exist ( the “particle of God” which the physicists had tried to find )
pedrone Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 508	Last edited by pedrone; 11th July 2011 at 08:49 PM.

11th July 2011, 09:03 PM	#19
Reality Check Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 10,978	Guglinski is indulging in wishful thinking. It is expected that the LHC will have collected enough data by the end of 2012 to either Confirm the existence of the Higgs particle or Rule out the existence of the Higgs particle. Assuming that the Higgs particle does not exist before the data is collected and analysed is crackpottery of the deepest kind. Either result will be a resounding success for physics. FIlling out the Standard Model with a Higgs boson would be great. Not finding one that fits in the Standard Model in some senses is even better\ since this means some of the more estoeric theoris could be right.
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11th July 2011, 11:06 PM	#20
DC dedicated aphilatelist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 21,708	Originally Posted by pedrone Guglinski's prophecy in 2010: Red Bull will launch this advertising at the beginning of 2012, when the experiences of Large Hadron Collider will confirm, in definitive, that the Higgs boson does not exist ( the “particle of God” which the physicists had tried to find ) you sound like you are totaly jealous that the people at LHC are doing real science
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13th July 2011, 04:05 PM	#21
pedrone Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 508	Originally Posted by Reality Check Assuming that the Higgs particle does not exist before the data is collected and analysed is crackpottery of the deepest kind. No, it's not. Actually it's a predicton of the best kind Just because it's a prediction based on the fact that quantum mechanics is wrong, the standard model is wrong, and quantum field theory is wrong. This will be evident in 2012, when Andrea Rossi's E-Cat will start to work in several places of the world And then probably Red Bull will put Guglinski's advertisment in TV
pedrone Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 508

13th July 2011, 04:08 PM	#22
pedrone Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 508	Originally Posted by DC you sound like you are totaly jealous that the people at LHC are doing real science To look for something that does not exist is not real science, mainly because other experiments show that current theories are wrong, as for instance cold fusion. Real science is doing by Andrea Rossi
pedrone Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 508

13th July 2011, 05:12 PM	#23
DC dedicated aphilatelist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 21,708	Originally Posted by pedrone To look for something that does not exist is not real science, mainly because other experiments show that current theories are wrong, as for instance cold fusion. Real science is doing by Andrea Rossi a shame nobody was able to show the current theories wrong
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13th July 2011, 05:54 PM	#24
Verde Muse Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Where the jackalopes roam. Posts: 817	Originally Posted by pedrone This will be evident in 2012, when Andrea Rossi's E-Cat will start to work in several places of the world And when it doesn't, you will just crawl back into the woodwork, quietly. Enjoy the company of the other nutters, that have been pushing this stuff for the last few decades. V.
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13th July 2011, 06:58 PM	#25
Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,920	Originally Posted by pedrone To look for something that does not exist is not real science, mainly because other experiments show that current theories are wrong, as for instance cold fusion. Real science is doing by Andrea Rossi Sure, neutrinos and Yukawa particles, just a waste of time.
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13th July 2011, 06:59 PM	#26
Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,920	Originally Posted by pedrone No, it's not. Actually it's a predicton of the best kind Just because it's a prediction based on the fact that quantum mechanics is wrong, the standard model is wrong, and quantum field theory is wrong. This will be evident in 2012, when Andrea Rossi's E-Cat will start to work in several places of the world And then probably Red Bull will put Guglinski's advertisment in TV Be here December 1, and we will see.
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14th July 2011, 07:24 AM	#27
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15th July 2011, 03:53 AM	#28
pedrone Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 508	Originally Posted by Dancing David Sure, neutrinos and Yukawa particles, just a waste of time. NEW EXPERIMENTS DISCARD SUPERSYMMETRY Recent findings of Jony Hudson (ImperialCollege, London) and Aaron E. Leanhardt (University of Michigan, Ann Arbor) about the spherical shape of the electron and the absence of electron’s electric dipole moment, which – at least at the current state-of-the-art experimental precision – seem to work against the supersymmetry theory. “What’s interesting is that the electron is so round it is becoming difficult for theories like supersymmetry to explain it,” said Hudson, whose finding ALREADY rules out the existence of some supersymmetric particles. … The findings, published in the journal Nature, already rule out some kinds of particles that theories suggested could pop into existence at the Large Hadron Collider at Cern, the European particle physics laboratory near Geneva. http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...s-round-cosmos http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture10104.html Does somebody remember what are the 3 goals of the LHC ? Let's remember them 1- To find the Higgs boson 2- To find the supersymmetric particles, so that to confirm supersymmetry 3- To confirm superstrings
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15th July 2011, 03:59 AM	#29
pedrone Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 508	Originally Posted by AdMan This belongs in the humor subforum, not here. Yes, supersymmetry is showing us that it's a very special subform of humor Theoretical supersymmetry physicists are dying to laugh
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15th July 2011, 03:59 AM	#30
DC dedicated aphilatelist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 21,708	Originally Posted by pedrone NEW EXPERIMENTS DISCARD SUPERSYMMETRY Recent findings of Jony Hudson (ImperialCollege, London) and Aaron E. Leanhardt (University of Michigan, Ann Arbor) about the spherical shape of the electron and the absence of electron’s electric dipole moment, which – at least at the current state-of-the-art experimental precision – seem to work against the supersymmetry theory. “What’s interesting is that the electron is so round it is becoming difficult for theories like supersymmetry to explain it,” said Hudson, whose finding ALREADY rules out the existence of some supersymmetric particles. … The findings, published in the journal Nature, already rule out some kinds of particles that theories suggested could pop into existence at the Large Hadron Collider at Cern, the European particle physics laboratory near Geneva. http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...s-round-cosmos http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture10104.html Does somebody remember what are the 3 goals of the LHC ? Let's remember them 1- To find the Higgs boson 2- To find the supersymmetric particles, so that to confirm supersymmetry 3- To confirm superstrings so?
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15th July 2011, 05:08 AM	#31
Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,920	Originally Posted by pedrone NEW EXPERIMENTS DISCARD SUPERSYMMETRY Recent findings of Jony Hudson (ImperialCollege, London) and Aaron E. Leanhardt (University of Michigan, Ann Arbor) about the spherical shape of the electron and the absence of electron’s electric dipole moment, which – at least at the current state-of-the-art experimental precision – seem to work against the supersymmetry theory. “What’s interesting is that the electron is so round it is becoming difficult for theories like supersymmetry to explain it,” said Hudson, whose finding ALREADY rules out the existence of some supersymmetric particles. … The findings, published in the journal Nature, already rule out some kinds of particles that theories suggested could pop into existence at the Large Hadron Collider at Cern, the European particle physics laboratory near Geneva. http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...s-round-cosmos http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture10104.html Does somebody remember what are the 3 goals of the LHC ? Let's remember them 1- To find the Higgs boson 2- To find the supersymmetric particles, so that to confirm supersymmetry 3- To confirm superstrings As usual I don't think that the nature article says what you think it says, see you in December.
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16th July 2011, 05:57 PM	#33
sol invictus Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Nova Roma Posts: 8,434	Originally Posted by pedrone Does somebody remember what are the 3 goals of the LHC ? Let's remember them 1- To find the Higgs boson 2- To find the supersymmetric particles, so that to confirm supersymmetry 3- To confirm superstrings Where in the world did you get that? The goal of the LHC has always been to discover the origin of electroweak symmetry breaking, which is probably the Higgs. The one thing we know for certain is that something new happens at around the energies probed by LHC. It could be nothing more than the Higgs, or it could be the entire zoo of new particles predicted by low-scale supersymmetry. No one knows, and that's why they're doing the experiment.

17th July 2011, 07:52 PM	#34
Reality Check Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 10,978	Originally Posted by pedrone Just because it's a prediction based on the fact that quantum mechanics is wrong, the standard model is wrong, and quantum field theory is wrong. It is a prediction from an ignorant crank who has the delusion that those theories are wrong Evidence that shows that Guglinski is a crank. Evidence that shows that Guglinski is a crank II He thinks that super-symmetry particles have light masses so that the selectron (lower mass estimates of ~20 GeV) can provide ~2 MeV of mass in a neutron. He thinks that there are 'replusive gravitons'. This of course requires the existence of negative mass and negative energy . He creates 2 new forces of nature (attractive and replusive gravity) and arbitrarily puts their strength at almost that of EM. Why not the strong force? Why not the weak force? Why not any of an infinite other values? Real scientists know that theses theories are correct because they match what the real world tells us.
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