[Merged] Critiques of Atheism - Page 3

bozman · 28th August 2010, 04:12 PM

What cracks me up about this whole thread is epix genuinely wants to start keeping score of the bad stuff "atheists" do.

I dunno, but do you really think it's a good idea to tally up the wrongs committed by both sides here and compare them? And he's a Catholic too, so we can't forget about all that fun history. Stuff like the inquisition, ethnic genocides, religious persecution of citizens, the crusades, the constant sexual assaults on children committed by priests, centuries of suppressing science... This list would never end.

All he's got is a dude on a motorcycle who burned a church... and since epix is evidently too dumb to understand bad things or bad people have nothing to do with atheism, the arsonist could have been a motorcycle kung fu Buddhist monk for all we know.

Bah.

epix · 28th August 2010, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by fuelair

Regardless, for random ones like that pretty much (a phrase that means I have honestly never heard of a case where the arsonist/destroyer was clearly identified as an agnostic/atheist)...

That's because the type of questioning that law enforcment agencies use. The motive for arson is the main question; that helps to prosecute the case, otherwise the defense would argue no motif. Once the cops establish the motive (like those listed by SkepticGinger), they regard other questions irrelevant to the case -- questions such as whether the arsonist is an atheists, divorced, or a fan of Manchester United.

The Red Herring made it from River Who to River Why.

The Fallen Serpent · 28th August 2010, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by bozman

a[n arsonist] motorcycle [riding] kung fu Buddhist monk for all we know.

I am willing to nominate such a person atheist of the week even if this not one of the atheist Buddhists! Total badarse!

Foster Zygote · 28th August 2010, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by epix

That's because 21 is less than 16 and 8.

But 8 is 38 times greater than 0.21.

bozman · 28th August 2010, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by epix

That's because the type of questioning that law enforcment agencies use. The motive for arson is the main question; that helps to prosecute the case, otherwise the defense would argue no motif. Once the cops establish the motive (like those listed by SkepticGinger), they regard other questions irrelevant to the case -- questions such as whether the arsonist is an atheists, divorced, or a fan of Manchester United.

Anyone else completely confused after reading this? Errr... more confused than usual from reading his posts, I mean.

Oh wait, I got it. He's saiying a divorced atheist prosecuted the Manchester United case but it was irrelevant to SkepticGinger.

epix · 28th August 2010, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Madalch

You don't see the decimal point there? 0.21% is not 21%.

I do. I was hoping that you won't.

Now it's up to the comparing the Catholic population with the prison sample. Is there any reliable data on the US Catholic population? The arson case comes from Czech Republic, but let's assume the relevant conditions are very similar.

How come that you saw the decimal point? The devil is in the details, no? Stop praying to the devil and when you are done, maybe we can try to establish whether the Bible is a real deterrent to break the law.

bozman · 28th August 2010, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by The Fallen Serpent

I am willing to nominate such a person atheist of the week even if this not one of the atheist Buddhists! Total badarse!

Oh man, we're going to need a theme song too. I'm imagining something by AC/DC. And a backstory. Not like some David Carradine 'monk in the old west' kind of story, we need one that kicks even more ass. Maybe his mission in life was to find epix and exact some kind of revenge all along or something... You get the idea.

bookitty · 28th August 2010, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by bozman

Oh man, we're going to need a theme song too. I'm imagining something by AC/DC. And a backstory. Not like some David Carradine 'monk in the old west' kind of story, we need one that kicks even more ass. Maybe his mission in life was to find epix and exact some kind of revenge all along or something... You get the idea.

I'm already hearing the Ennio Morricone.

bozman · 28th August 2010, 05:07 PM

And as for that church... I'm thinking the motorcycle kung fu Buddhist monk burned it down because, actually, he was "righting" some "wrong" that the evil and greedy church Bishops or townspeople there committed. You know, because that's what he's all about. Righting the wrongs of evildoers. Sometimes he has has to be the law in places of lawlessness... and the only fear he knows is the fear he burns into the hearts of villains...

Yeah...

Foster Zygote · 28th August 2010, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by epix

I do. I was hoping that you won't.

Seriously? So you realize that you haven't actually got a case?

Quote:

Now it's up to the comparing the Catholic population with the prison sample. Is there any reliable data on the US Catholic population? The arson case comes from Czech Republic, but let's assume the relevant conditions are very similar.

Well the same Federal Bureau of Prisons data from 1997 that shows atheists making up 0.21% of the 80.26% of those responding to the survey of the federal prison population shows Catholics making up 39.16% of the respondents.

Quote:

How come that you saw the decimal point?

Probably because I graduated from the second grade.

Quote:

The devil is in the details, no? Stop praying to the devil and when you are done, maybe we can try to establish whether the Bible is a real deterrent to break the law.

I'm sorry, I thought this was about atheists, not Satanists.

majamin · 28th August 2010, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by epix

The honor goes to a dude who burned to the ground a wooden chapel [...]

The news article doesn't mention the reason why the arsonist tossed the match. That's probably because it was obvious: There is no scientific evidence that the Heavens exist and therefore no Heavens, no chapel.)

epix, suppose someone had posted a thread that was entitled "theist of the week" and the content was "the honor goes to a dude, Father Kevin O'Donnell, who committed child abuse for 50 years since the 1940's."

Wouldn't you be reasonably shocked? Wouldn't you ask, "what the hell is the point of this post, and how could the title possibly be justified"?

You don't honor people like O'Donnell, regardless of their background. Would you not be horrified if someone sarcastically implied that we honor him? I would appreciate your honesty if you reply.

bozman · 28th August 2010, 05:14 PM

How about "Pedophile of the week" and then blame it on a Catholic priest? How dare you?

Oh right, that's what they do.

The Fallen Serpent · 28th August 2010, 05:18 PM

Not quite there, but we have a start! Here are some motorcycle riding buddhist monks.

http://www.downtheroad.org/Asia/imag...2/DSC02360.JPG

http://www.urbandharma.org/kusala/re...orcycleqa.html

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I AGREE

I am voting to convert this one. He is half Jamaican Jewish and half Tibetan!

Foster Zygote · 28th August 2010, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by majamin

epix, suppose someone had posted a thread that was entitled "theist of the week" and the content was "the honor goes to a dude, Father Kevin O'Donnell, who committed child abuse for 50 years since the 1940's."

Wouldn't you be reasonably shocked? Wouldn't you ask, "what the hell is the point of this post, and how could the title possibly be justified"?

You don't honor people like O'Donnell, regardless of their background. Would you not be horrified if someone sarcastically implied that we honor him? I would appreciate your honesty if you reply.

But in the case of epix's OP, it would be a more accurate analogy to point to a bank robbery by an unknown person in a thread titled Jew of the Week "because we all know that Jews love money".

bozman · 28th August 2010, 05:34 PM

Hey, I found the "Catholic Priest of the Week!"

http://www.kpho.com/news/24797941/detail.html

See? He was wanted on child predator charges. "Man of Cloth" indeed... More like "Man of the Children's Bedsheets." At least his Bishop didn't get to cover that one up like they usually do.

Sicko.

epix · 28th August 2010, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by majamin

epix, suppose someone had posted a thread that was entitled "theist of the week" and the content was "the honor goes to a dude, Father Kevin O'Donnell, who committed child abuse for 50 years since the 1940's."

Wouldn't you be reasonably shocked?

I surely would -- beyond any reason. How could anyone declare Father Kevin O'Donnell "The Theist of the Week" when that monk is said to to molest kids for the period of 50 years?

DC · 28th August 2010, 05:48 PM

trolling with the No true Scotsman fallacy is so yesterday. A real troll would never do that.

majamin · 28th August 2010, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by epix

I surely would -- beyond any reason. How could anyone declare Father Kevin O'Donnell "The Theist of the Week" when that monk is said to to molest kids for the period of 50 years?

I was hoping you'd say:

"I surely would -- beyond any reason. How could anyone declare [that dude] "The [a]Theist of the Week" when that [dude burned down a historical building]?"

Don't you see how this is hypocritical? I honestly believe that you are angry that this person burned this church down, but why the hypocrisy?

Dani · 28th August 2010, 06:18 PM

This is epix fail.

bozman · 28th August 2010, 06:37 PM

I seem to remember a time when trolls really knew how to troll. This whole thing is just sad.

noreligion · 28th August 2010, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Shrike

Yeah, any evidence it was an atheist? Maybe it was an agnostic. A Muslim. A Hebrew. A Pastafarian.
In Norway some churches were burned by satanists, you know.

And Black Metal musicians too

noreligion · 28th August 2010, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Tatyana

I would also check if the arsonist was into Norwegian Black Metal.

They love to burn churches and kill people.

Speak about a broad brush.

noreligion · 28th August 2010, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by epix

That's because 21 is less than 16 and 8.

OMFG....are you really this senseless?

majamin · 28th August 2010, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by bozman

I seem to remember a time when trolls really knew how to troll. This whole thing is just sad.

Troll evolution, maybe.

We have two choices here people:

(1) Leave now to other threads where you can (or hope to) have an intelligent conversation

(2) Keep wearing this thread down to a nub whose only ability is to spew sarcasm and throw the occasional dung-ball. Anyone left typing here after the ground zero of this thread, is either hoping for a miracle, or studying it from a far like a scientist watching monkeys beat each other with blow-up light sabers.

Of course, feel free to do both.

epix · 28th August 2010, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Nice hypothesis. Too bad it's been disproved thousands, nay millions of times.

How about a billion of times?

An Appeal to Superlatives. Used mostly in kindergartens to solve toy-related conflicts.

bozman · 28th August 2010, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by epix

How about a billion of times?

An Appeal to Superlatives. Used mostly in kindergartens to solve toy-related conflicts.

epix · 28th August 2010, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by majamin

I was hoping you'd say:

"I surely would -- beyond any reason. How could anyone declare [that dude] "The [a]Theist of the Week" when that [dude burned down a historical building]?"

Don't you see how this is hypocritical? I honestly believe that you are angry that this person burned this church down, but why the hypocrisy?

You apparently don't see the difference between an injury to a rural wooden chapel and an injury to kids caused by molestation, as much as you don't see the difference between time periods called "week" and "half of a century."

Foster Zygote · 28th August 2010, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by epix

You apparently don't see the difference between an injury to a rural wooden chapel and an injury to kids caused by molestation...

Would you agree that it is far worse to injure a single child than destroy dozens of wood buildings?

majamin · 28th August 2010, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by epix

You apparently don't see the difference between an injury to a rural wooden chapel and an injury to kids caused by molestation, as much as you don't see the difference between time periods called "week" and "half of a century."

It's not about the seriousness of the crime. It could've been any crime. Here's another example and a much better analogy:

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

[...] it would be a more accurate analogy to point to a bank robbery by an unknown person in a thread titled Jew of the Week "because we all know that Jews love money".

"Burned chapel ... typical atheist"
"Molested child ... typical priest"
"Bank robbed ... typical Jew"

How else can I put it, epix?

Foolmewunz · 28th August 2010, 09:20 PM

Surely this is someone trying to write up a textbook example of the newly (as in last decade) coined verb: Poe.

Is Encyclopedia Dramatica sponsoring daytime excursions? It not possible, not even marginally possible, that Epix is serious.

epix · 28th August 2010, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

Surely this is someone trying to write up a textbook example of the newly (as in last decade) coined verb: Poe.

Is Encyclopedia Dramatica sponsoring daytime excursions? It not possible, not even marginally possible, that Epix is serious.

In other words, nicely dressed in implication, it's not even remotely possible that the arsonist was an atheist.

Well, I have to be more attentive to the variety of circumstances the next time. It's the end of August, and the "Atheist of the Month" award is coming up soon. It's not that easy to MC the event . . .

Quote:

Atheists appear to be a growing segment of the population - but how big of a segment? Decent figures seem hard to come by, perhaps because admitting atheism is as much of a social taboo as admitting homosexuality. Add in confusion about the definition of atheism and a very difficult situation is created.

Atheists won't disclose their affiliation and maliciously declare themselves Catholics when when they mb in the public. I see what I can do...

majamin · 28th August 2010, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by epix

http://www.holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm

That's because 21 is less than 16 and 8.

www.holysmoke.org
Sniff...sniff...smells like a chapel is burning.

Originally Posted by Madalch

You don't see the decimal point there? 0.21% is not 21%.

Instant replay: epix blew his own foot off, Madalch provided the rubbing alcohol to disinfect the wound

... he was just trying to be polite epix, no need to ignore the point completely

bozman · 28th August 2010, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by majamin

Instant replay: epix blew his own foot off, Madalch provided the rubbing alcohol to disinfect the wound

... he was just trying to be polite epix, no need to ignore the point completely

He did it AGAIN!

Foolmewunz · 28th August 2010, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by epix

In other words, nicely dressed in implication, it's not even remotely possible that the arsonist was an atheist.

No.

In other words, not even remotely couched in implication but stating outright... It is inconceivable that a thinking human being would believe the crud you're writing. Whether it's a satire or serious, it fails on all counts.
That's what Poe-ing a thread is all about. Trying to figure out the fine line between a satirical take on an insane post/thread and an actual fundy-mental post/thread. They are not readily discernable, as is obvious.

Quote:

Well, I have to be more attentive to the variety of circumstances the next time. It's the end of August, and the "Atheist of the Month" award is coming up soon. It's not that easy to MC the event . . .

Atheists won't disclose their affiliation and maliciously declare themselves Catholics when when they mb in the public. I see what I can do...

This, like many of your posts, just plain makes no sense. Are you like up all night and drinking, perhaps? (The third possibility outside the Poe range.)

Hint: There's enough idiotic behaviour by atheists that you could do quite a bit better than this nonsensical accusation. (I base that on the sheer mathematics. There are numerous idiots in the world doing idiotic things - some of them simply have to be atheists.)

tsig · 29th August 2010, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by epix

Originally Posted by epix
The news article doesn't mention the reason why the arsonist tossed the match. That's probably because it was obvious: There is no scientific evidence that the Heavens exist and therefore no Heavens, no chapel.

No, but it is sufficient enough. Other options: I think that the hero atheist symbolically burned theism at stake or got something against Virgin Mary. Maybe she appeared to him as well. He made advances, got rejected . . . and you know that atheists have a short fuse.

You're missing the most obvious reason. Babies taste best when barbecued over a church fire.

zooterkin · 29th August 2010, 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by bookitty

I'm already hearing the Ennio Morricone.

I'm hearing the Rawhide theme, with slightly altered lyrics.

Trollin', Trollin', Trollin'...

bozman · 29th August 2010, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by zooterkin

I'm hearing the Rawhide theme, with slightly altered lyrics.

Trollin', Trollin', Trollin'...

I'm hearing it too, but it almost sounds more like...

Failin', Failin', Failin'...

Epix must be really special.

Dani · 29th August 2010, 03:21 AM

Shouldn't this topic be in the "humor" section?

Wait, now I see it's in "Religion and Philosophy", so I guess it's ok somehow.

thatguywhojuggles · 29th August 2010, 04:05 AM

I feel a recipe coming on in three, two...

(maybe a kitten?)

DC · 29th August 2010, 07:15 AM

a recipe for grilled kitten?

28th August 2010, 04:12 PM	#81
bozman Muse Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sacramento, Ca Posts: 505	What cracks me up about this whole thread is epix genuinely wants to start keeping score of the bad stuff "atheists" do. I dunno, but do you really think it's a good idea to tally up the wrongs committed by both sides here and compare them? And he's a Catholic too, so we can't forget about all that fun history. Stuff like the inquisition, ethnic genocides, religious persecution of citizens, the crusades, the constant sexual assaults on children committed by priests, centuries of suppressing science... This list would never end. All he's got is a dude on a motorcycle who burned a church... and since epix is evidently too dumb to understand bad things or bad people have nothing to do with atheism, the arsonist could have been a motorcycle kung fu Buddhist monk for all we know. Bah.
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28th August 2010, 04:32 PM	#82
epix Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Borgia Apartment, Vatican City Posts: 2,957	Originally Posted by fuelair Regardless, for random ones like that pretty much (a phrase that means I have honestly never heard of a case where the arsonist/destroyer was clearly identified as an agnostic/atheist)... That's because the type of questioning that law enforcment agencies use. The motive for arson is the main question; that helps to prosecute the case, otherwise the defense would argue no motif. Once the cops establish the motive (like those listed by SkepticGinger), they regard other questions irrelevant to the case -- questions such as whether the arsonist is an atheists, divorced, or a fan of Manchester United. The Red Herring made it from River Who to River Why.
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28th August 2010, 04:37 PM	#83
The Fallen Serpent Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Not Oregon, Texas Posts: 1,922	Originally Posted by bozman a[n arsonist] motorcycle [riding] kung fu Buddhist monk for all we know. I am willing to nominate such a person atheist of the week even if this not one of the atheist Buddhists! Total badarse!
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28th August 2010, 04:46 PM	#84
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge Posts: 14,393	Originally Posted by epix That's because 21 is less than 16 and 8. But 8 is 38 times greater than 0.21.
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28th August 2010, 04:46 PM	#85
bozman Muse Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sacramento, Ca Posts: 505	Originally Posted by epix That's because the type of questioning that law enforcment agencies use. The motive for arson is the main question; that helps to prosecute the case, otherwise the defense would argue no motif. Once the cops establish the motive (like those listed by SkepticGinger), they regard other questions irrelevant to the case -- questions such as whether the arsonist is an atheists, divorced, or a fan of Manchester United. Anyone else completely confused after reading this? Errr... more confused than usual from reading his posts, I mean. Oh wait, I got it. He's saiying a divorced atheist prosecuted the Manchester United case but it was irrelevant to SkepticGinger.
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28th August 2010, 04:53 PM	#86
epix Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Borgia Apartment, Vatican City Posts: 2,957	Originally Posted by Madalch You don't see the decimal point there? 0.21% is not 21%. I do. I was hoping that you won't. Now it's up to the comparing the Catholic population with the prison sample. Is there any reliable data on the US Catholic population? The arson case comes from Czech Republic, but let's assume the relevant conditions are very similar. How come that you saw the decimal point? The devil is in the details, no? Stop praying to the devil and when you are done, maybe we can try to establish whether the Bible is a real deterrent to break the law.

28th August 2010, 04:56 PM	#87
bozman Muse Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sacramento, Ca Posts: 505	Originally Posted by The Fallen Serpent I am willing to nominate such a person atheist of the week even if this not one of the atheist Buddhists! Total badarse! Oh man, we're going to need a theme song too. I'm imagining something by AC/DC. And a backstory. Not like some David Carradine 'monk in the old west' kind of story, we need one that kicks even more ass. Maybe his mission in life was to find epix and exact some kind of revenge all along or something... You get the idea.
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28th August 2010, 05:02 PM	#88
bookitty Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,532	Originally Posted by bozman Oh man, we're going to need a theme song too. I'm imagining something by AC/DC. And a backstory. Not like some David Carradine 'monk in the old west' kind of story, we need one that kicks even more ass. Maybe his mission in life was to find epix and exact some kind of revenge all along or something... You get the idea. I'm already hearing the Ennio Morricone.
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28th August 2010, 05:07 PM	#89
bozman Muse Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sacramento, Ca Posts: 505	And as for that church... I'm thinking the motorcycle kung fu Buddhist monk burned it down because, actually, he was "righting" some "wrong" that the evil and greedy church Bishops or townspeople there committed. You know, because that's what he's all about. Righting the wrongs of evildoers. Sometimes he has has to be the law in places of lawlessness... and the only fear he knows is the fear he burns into the hearts of villains... Yeah...
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28th August 2010, 05:09 PM	#90
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge Posts: 14,393	Originally Posted by epix I do. I was hoping that you won't. Seriously? So you realize that you haven't actually got a case? Quote: Now it's up to the comparing the Catholic population with the prison sample. Is there any reliable data on the US Catholic population? The arson case comes from Czech Republic, but let's assume the relevant conditions are very similar. Well the same Federal Bureau of Prisons data from 1997 that shows atheists making up 0.21% of the 80.26% of those responding to the survey of the federal prison population shows Catholics making up 39.16% of the respondents. Quote: How come that you saw the decimal point? Probably because I graduated from the second grade. Quote: The devil is in the details, no? Stop praying to the devil and when you are done, maybe we can try to establish whether the Bible is a real deterrent to break the law. I'm sorry, I thought this was about atheists, not Satanists.
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28th August 2010, 05:12 PM	#91
majamin Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 309	Originally Posted by epix The honor goes to a dude who burned to the ground a wooden chapel [...] The news article doesn't mention the reason why the arsonist tossed the match. That's probably because it was obvious: There is no scientific evidence that the Heavens exist and therefore no Heavens, no chapel.) epix, suppose someone had posted a thread that was entitled "theist of the week" and the content was "the honor goes to a dude, Father Kevin O'Donnell, who committed child abuse for 50 years since the 1940's." Wouldn't you be reasonably shocked? Wouldn't you ask, "what the hell is the point of this post, and how could the title possibly be justified"? You don't honor people like O'Donnell, regardless of their background. Would you not be horrified if someone sarcastically implied that we honor him? I would appreciate your honesty if you reply.

28th August 2010, 05:14 PM	#92
bozman Muse Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sacramento, Ca Posts: 505	How about "Pedophile of the week" and then blame it on a Catholic priest? How dare you? Oh right, that's what they do.
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28th August 2010, 05:23 PM	#94
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge Posts: 14,393	Originally Posted by majamin epix, suppose someone had posted a thread that was entitled "theist of the week" and the content was "the honor goes to a dude, Father Kevin O'Donnell, who committed child abuse for 50 years since the 1940's." Wouldn't you be reasonably shocked? Wouldn't you ask, "what the hell is the point of this post, and how could the title possibly be justified"? You don't honor people like O'Donnell, regardless of their background. Would you not be horrified if someone sarcastically implied that we honor him? I would appreciate your honesty if you reply. But in the case of epix's OP, it would be a more accurate analogy to point to a bank robbery by an unknown person in a thread titled Jew of the Week "because we all know that Jews love money".
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28th August 2010, 05:34 PM	#95
bozman Muse Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sacramento, Ca Posts: 505	Hey, I found the "Catholic Priest of the Week!" http://www.kpho.com/news/24797941/detail.html See? He was wanted on child predator charges. "Man of Cloth" indeed... More like "Man of the Children's Bedsheets." At least his Bishop didn't get to cover that one up like they usually do. Sicko.
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28th August 2010, 05:36 PM	#96
epix Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Borgia Apartment, Vatican City Posts: 2,957	Originally Posted by majamin epix, suppose someone had posted a thread that was entitled "theist of the week" and the content was "the honor goes to a dude, Father Kevin O'Donnell, who committed child abuse for 50 years since the 1940's." Wouldn't you be reasonably shocked? I surely would -- beyond any reason. How could anyone declare Father Kevin O'Donnell "The Theist of the Week" when that monk is said to to molest kids for the period of 50 years?

28th August 2010, 05:48 PM	#97
DC dedicated aphilatelist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 21,653	trolling with the No true Scotsman fallacy is so yesterday. A real troll would never do that.
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28th August 2010, 05:55 PM	#98
majamin Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 309	Originally Posted by epix I surely would -- beyond any reason. How could anyone declare Father Kevin O'Donnell "The Theist of the Week" when that monk is said to to molest kids for the period of 50 years? I was hoping you'd say: "I surely would -- beyond any reason. How could anyone declare [that dude] "The [a]Theist of the Week" when that [dude burned down a historical building]?" Don't you see how this is hypocritical? I honestly believe that you are angry that this person burned this church down, but why the hypocrisy?

28th August 2010, 06:18 PM	#99
Dani Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Barcelona, Spain Posts: 1,142	This is epix fail.

28th August 2010, 06:37 PM	#100
bozman Muse Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sacramento, Ca Posts: 505	I seem to remember a time when trolls really knew how to troll. This whole thing is just sad.

28th August 2010, 06:41 PM	#101
noreligion Guest Join Date: May 2010 Location: Easton, Pennsylvania Posts: 1,002	Originally Posted by Shrike Yeah, any evidence it was an atheist? Maybe it was an agnostic. A Muslim. A Hebrew. A Pastafarian. In Norway some churches were burned by satanists, you know. And Black Metal musicians too

28th August 2010, 06:56 PM	#102
noreligion Guest Join Date: May 2010 Location: Easton, Pennsylvania Posts: 1,002	Originally Posted by Tatyana I would also check if the arsonist was into Norwegian Black Metal. They love to burn churches and kill people. Speak about a broad brush.

28th August 2010, 07:04 PM	#103
noreligion Guest Join Date: May 2010 Location: Easton, Pennsylvania Posts: 1,002	Originally Posted by epix That's because 21 is less than 16 and 8. OMFG....are you really this senseless?

28th August 2010, 07:27 PM	#104
majamin Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 309	Originally Posted by bozman I seem to remember a time when trolls really knew how to troll. This whole thing is just sad. Troll evolution, maybe. We have two choices here people: (1) Leave now to other threads where you can (or hope to) have an intelligent conversation (2) Keep wearing this thread down to a nub whose only ability is to spew sarcasm and throw the occasional dung-ball. Anyone left typing here after the ground zero of this thread, is either hoping for a miracle, or studying it from a far like a scientist watching monkeys beat each other with blow-up light sabers. Of course, feel free to do both.

28th August 2010, 07:40 PM	#105
epix Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Borgia Apartment, Vatican City Posts: 2,957	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Nice hypothesis. Too bad it's been disproved thousands, nay millions of times. How about a billion of times? An Appeal to Superlatives. Used mostly in kindergartens to solve toy-related conflicts.

28th August 2010, 07:46 PM	#106
bozman Muse Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sacramento, Ca Posts: 505	Originally Posted by epix How about a billion of times? An Appeal to Superlatives. Used mostly in kindergartens to solve toy-related conflicts.
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28th August 2010, 07:51 PM	#107
epix Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Borgia Apartment, Vatican City Posts: 2,957	Originally Posted by majamin I was hoping you'd say: "I surely would -- beyond any reason. How could anyone declare [that dude] "The [a]Theist of the Week" when that [dude burned down a historical building]?" Don't you see how this is hypocritical? I honestly believe that you are angry that this person burned this church down, but why the hypocrisy? You apparently don't see the difference between an injury to a rural wooden chapel and an injury to kids caused by molestation, as much as you don't see the difference between time periods called "week" and "half of a century."

28th August 2010, 08:39 PM	#108
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge Posts: 14,393	Originally Posted by epix You apparently don't see the difference between an injury to a rural wooden chapel and an injury to kids caused by molestation... Would you agree that it is far worse to injure a single child than destroy dozens of wood buildings?
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28th August 2010, 08:53 PM	#109
majamin Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 309	Originally Posted by epix You apparently don't see the difference between an injury to a rural wooden chapel and an injury to kids caused by molestation, as much as you don't see the difference between time periods called "week" and "half of a century." It's not about the seriousness of the crime. It could've been any crime. Here's another example and a much better analogy: Originally Posted by Foster Zygote [...] it would be a more accurate analogy to point to a bank robbery by an unknown person in a thread titled Jew of the Week "because we all know that Jews love money". "Burned chapel ... typical atheist" "Molested child ... typical priest" "Bank robbed ... typical Jew" How else can I put it, epix?

28th August 2010, 09:20 PM	#110
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 20,516	Surely this is someone trying to write up a textbook example of the newly (as in last decade) coined verb: Poe. Is Encyclopedia Dramatica sponsoring daytime excursions? It not possible, not even marginally possible, that Epix is serious.
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28th August 2010, 10:25 PM	#111
epix Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Borgia Apartment, Vatican City Posts: 2,957	Originally Posted by Foolmewunz Surely this is someone trying to write up a textbook example of the newly (as in last decade) coined verb: Poe. Is Encyclopedia Dramatica sponsoring daytime excursions? It not possible, not even marginally possible, that Epix is serious. In other words, nicely dressed in implication, it's not even remotely possible that the arsonist was an atheist. Well, I have to be more attentive to the variety of circumstances the next time. It's the end of August, and the "Atheist of the Month" award is coming up soon. It's not that easy to MC the event . . . Quote: Atheists appear to be a growing segment of the population - but how big of a segment? Decent figures seem hard to come by, perhaps because admitting atheism is as much of a social taboo as admitting homosexuality. Add in confusion about the definition of atheism and a very difficult situation is created. Atheists won't disclose their affiliation and maliciously declare themselves Catholics when when they mb in the public. I see what I can do...

28th August 2010, 10:40 PM	#112
majamin Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 309	Originally Posted by epix http://www.holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm That's because 21 is less than 16 and 8. www.holysmoke.org Sniff...sniff...smells like a chapel is burning. Originally Posted by Madalch You don't see the decimal point there? 0.21% is not 21%. Instant replay: epix blew his own foot off, Madalch provided the rubbing alcohol to disinfect the wound ... he was just trying to be polite epix, no need to ignore the point completely

28th August 2010, 10:47 PM	#113
bozman Muse Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sacramento, Ca Posts: 505	Originally Posted by majamin Instant replay: epix blew his own foot off, Madalch provided the rubbing alcohol to disinfect the wound ... he was just trying to be polite epix, no need to ignore the point completely He did it AGAIN!
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28th August 2010, 11:19 PM	#114
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 20,516	Originally Posted by epix In other words, nicely dressed in implication, it's not even remotely possible that the arsonist was an atheist. No. In other words, not even remotely couched in implication but stating outright... It is inconceivable that a thinking human being would believe the crud you're writing. Whether it's a satire or serious, it fails on all counts. That's what Poe-ing a thread is all about. Trying to figure out the fine line between a satirical take on an insane post/thread and an actual fundy-mental post/thread. They are not readily discernable, as is obvious. Quote: Well, I have to be more attentive to the variety of circumstances the next time. It's the end of August, and the "Atheist of the Month" award is coming up soon. It's not that easy to MC the event . . . Atheists won't disclose their affiliation and maliciously declare themselves Catholics when when they mb in the public. I see what I can do... This, like many of your posts, just plain makes no sense. Are you like up all night and drinking, perhaps? (The third possibility outside the Poe range.) Hint: There's enough idiotic behaviour by atheists that you could do quite a bit better than this nonsensical accusation. (I base that on the sheer mathematics. There are numerous idiots in the world doing idiotic things - some of them simply have to be atheists.)
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29th August 2010, 12:00 AM	#115
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,762	Originally Posted by epix Originally Posted by epix The news article doesn't mention the reason why the arsonist tossed the match. That's probably because it was obvious: There is no scientific evidence that the Heavens exist and therefore no Heavens, no chapel. No, but it is sufficient enough. Other options: I think that the hero atheist symbolically burned theism at stake or got something against Virgin Mary. Maybe she appeared to him as well. He made advances, got rejected . . . and you know that atheists have a short fuse. You're missing the most obvious reason. Babies taste best when barbecued over a church fire.

29th August 2010, 12:35 AM	#116
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