[Merged] Norwegian PM's office bombed / Youth camp spree killings - Page 2

Ryokan · 22nd July 2011, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Delscottio

Apologies if already posted.

This is the second explosion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbCCR...ature=youtu.be

Shocking.

Fake..

icerat · 22nd July 2011, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Delscottio

Apologies if already posted.

This is the second explosion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbCCR...ature=youtu.be

Shocking.

fake

jayh · 22nd July 2011, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Ryokan

The attack on Utøya at least hints that it's somewhat home grown, as the shooter managed to impersonate a police officer. No reports on the ethnicity of the shooter.

Some recent bombers in various places were natives recruited into the religion and used because of their ability to blend in.

Ryokan · 22nd July 2011, 10:09 AM

The shooter has been apprehended.

icerat · 22nd July 2011, 10:09 AM

bravo

AdMan · 22nd July 2011, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by Ryokan

The shooter has been apprehended.

Good--hopefully they'll be able to get information from him.

icerat · 22nd July 2011, 10:25 AM

reports now that several were killed on the island

ETA: bodies being found in the government building

ETAA: 7 confirmed dead from bomb now

Ryokan · 22nd July 2011, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by icerat

reports now that several were killed on the island

Media reports 4 killed on the island, but it's not confirmed by the police.

ETA: 7 confirmed killed at the bombing.

AdMan · 22nd July 2011, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Ryokan

Media reports 4 killed on the island, but it's not confirmed by the police.

Just heard seven people were killed there.

ETA: Now see that this may have been in the bomb attack, not at the island.

Hawk one · 22nd July 2011, 10:38 AM

The reports about deaths on islands have yet to be properly confirmed, it's a bit messy (to say the least). Numbers mostly based on eyewitness reports, which I believe are probably not completely accurate, due to the stress and chaos of the whole situation. I hope that these are understandable mistakes, and that there are less losses of life than what is being speculated about.

Shooter's been apprehended. Apparently nordic-looking features, tall and blonde.

Sideroxylon · 22nd July 2011, 10:44 AM

To the Norwegians here, very sorry to hear this has happened to your country. Hope they capture all responsible.

MG1962 · 22nd July 2011, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

To the Norwegians here, very sorry to hear this has happened to your country. Hope they capture all responsible.

This!!!!

Ryokan · 22nd July 2011, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Hawk one

Shooter's been apprehended. Apparently nordic-looking features, tall and blonde.

I see this reported in foreign media - male, 180cm, blond hair, white skin - but it has not been reported by Norwegian media yet.

ETA: Norwegian media now reports the same.

AdMan · 22nd July 2011, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

To the Norwegians here, very sorry to hear this has happened to your country. Hope they capture all responsible.

I am half Norwegian, which is why I'm following this so closely.

Ryokan · 22nd July 2011, 11:01 AM

Police say they had a phone conversation with the shooter before he was apprehended, and that he spoke fluent Norwegian. Nothing is said about the content of the conversation.

Ryokan · 22nd July 2011, 11:19 AM

There are now unconfirmed reports of as many as 30 deaths at Utøya!

It's a small island, and there were almost 600 people present. The shooter was armed with a pistol and some sort of rifle with a scope. It was a very target rich environment.

icerat · 22nd July 2011, 11:26 AM

Yup, NRK reporting 20 to 30.

hope it's wrong

Jungle Jim · 22nd July 2011, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by icerat

Prediction: it's a relatively simple oklahama type bomb, probably set by the gunman. He worked alone or with a small group. May or may not have anything to do with islamism.

Wow, you're good.

Sabretooth · 22nd July 2011, 11:28 AM

Never understood how this wacko's think blowing something up or shooting is going to change anything for the better.

Condolences to all those effected by this nonsense.

The Nimble Pianist · 22nd July 2011, 11:29 AM

Jihadist group claims responsibility. Awaiting confirmation:

Originally Posted by New York Times

A terror group, Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, issued a statement claiming responsibility for the attack, according to Will McCants, a terrorism analyst at C.N.A., a research institute that studies terrorism. The message said the attack was a response to Norwegian forces’ presence in Afghanistan and to unspecified insults to the Prophet Muhammad. “We have warned since the Stockholm raid of more operations,” the group said, according to Mr. McCants’ translation, apparently referred to a bombing in Sweden in December 2010. “What you see is only the beginning, and there is more to come.” The claim could not be confirmed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/wo...nted=1&_r=2&hp

deadrose · 22nd July 2011, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

To the Norwegians here, very sorry to hear this has happened to your country. Hope they capture all responsible.

Joining in with this sentiment.

Resume · 22nd July 2011, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Sabretooth

Never understood how this wacko's think blowing something up or shooting is going to change anything for the better.

Condolences to all those effected by this nonsense.

My advise to these shooters has always been to shoot yourself first, then see how you feel.

Ryokan · 22nd July 2011, 11:31 AM

Helpers of the Global Jihad was mentioned on Norwegian media, but a terrorist expert said he had never heard of the organization.

icerat · 22nd July 2011, 11:34 AM

Ok, tracked down the 20 to 30 .... original quote was shot or injured, not a death toll number

ETA:: second quote was from a witness saying he saw that many floating in the water. Not dead - trying to escape

think the two have been incorrectly combined into 30 dead. At least I hope so.

Ryokan · 22nd July 2011, 11:42 AM

Media reports that one witness saw at least 25-30 killed - and those were only the ones he saw.

Witnesses also says he shouted 'come here' to people, who thought he was a police officer, then killed them as they came up to him. Apparently, he told people 'this is only the beginning.'

Terrible fog of war over the whole situation. The vast majority of the people on the island were young teenagers, 14-18 years old. We can only hope the death toll is far lower than what is speculated on in the media now.

Ryokan · 22nd July 2011, 11:43 AM

http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/07/22/n...toya/17418837/

Picture here shows half a dozen dead at the shore on Utøya..

AdMan · 22nd July 2011, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Ryokan

http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/07/22/n...toya/17418837/

Picture here shows half a dozen dead at the shore on Utøya..

That is awful.

icerat · 22nd July 2011, 11:45 AM

They could be kids just hiding.

AdMan · 22nd July 2011, 11:45 AM

Google map showing where damage and injuries occurred in Oslo:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=...ae7cbf76&msa=0

Delscottio · 22nd July 2011, 11:48 AM

Everything I've heard so far is the gunman was extremely calm, collect and picked his target to do as much damage as possible unhindered. Grim stuff.

Hopefully the reports are incorrect and there has been fewer deaths.

p.s apologies for the fake vid before - didn't read the comments.

Wildy · 22nd July 2011, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by icerat

They could be kids just hiding.

I honestly hope that this is the case.

bookitty · 22nd July 2011, 11:57 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog...erage#block-20

Quote:

He says that the young people he talked to were hiding and dared not speak on the phone anymore for fear of being discovered by the perpetrator.

"Young people have to swim in panic, and it is far to the mainland from Utoya. Others are hiding. Those I spoke with did not want to talk more. They were terrified," he said to VG Nett.

600 people on the island, so many more at home waiting to hear.
There aren't a lot of good words for this sort of horror.

Ryokan · 22nd July 2011, 12:03 PM

Police says around 10 are killed at Utøya, but can't confirm yet as the situation is not yet under control.

Who would've thought earlier today that a situation would occur in Norway that would lead to more deaths than the bombing?

Undesired Walrus · 22nd July 2011, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by AdMan

Google map showing where damage and injuries occurred in Oslo:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=...ae7cbf76&msa=0

Wow, how did you find that?

Delscottio · 22nd July 2011, 12:12 PM

Something is puzzling me here, on the News they have just said that the former PM was at Utøya this morning and the current PM was due tomorrow - where was the security / special branch etc?

Undesired Walrus · 22nd July 2011, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Ryokan

No reports on the ethnicity of the shooter.

Tells us nothing these days.

Ryokan · 22nd July 2011, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Delscottio

Something is puzzling me here, on the News they have just said that the former PM was at Utøya this morning and the current PM was due tomorrow - where was the security / special branch etc?

That's the thing, we Norwegians don't do that. We've always been proud of our open society, where the king can take hiking trips whenever he wants alone with his wife, and where ministers and top politicians can take their bicycle to work without security.

BBC has a good article about it:

Quote:

Norway is an incredibly open society.

The Royal Family is free to move about with limited security, both in the nation's relatively small and peaceful cities, as well as on holiday in the mountains or on the coast.

The country's politicians and business leaders mix freely with ordinary people in a manner rarely seen elsewhere in the world.

Few people have secret addresses and telephone numbers - open the phonebook online and you will find links not only to aerial shots of people's houses and maps of where they live, but also details about their email addresses and their place of work.

This is a society where top politicians, business executives and other celebrities often include their private telephone numbers and home addresses on their business cards.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14256438

AdMan · 22nd July 2011, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

Wow, how did you find that?

It was linked to from a blog on the New York Times site:

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/201...ion-aftermath/

icerat · 22nd July 2011, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Delscottio

Something is puzzling me here, on the News they have just said that the former PM was at Utøya this morning and the current PM was due tomorrow - where was the security / special branch etc?

No confusion. It's Norway. Sweden had virtually no security for politicians until their PM was assassinated, and even after that a man successfully stabbed their foreign minister.

Greedo · 22nd July 2011, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by icerat

Yup, NRK reporting 20 to 30.

hope it's wrong

Oh man... Just what was going on there? Was there no security at all?

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

To the Norwegians here, very sorry to hear this has happened to your country. Hope they capture all responsible.

same here.

22nd July 2011, 10:01 AM	#42
icerat Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: sweden Posts: 3,122	Originally Posted by Delscottio Apologies if already posted. This is the second explosion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbCCR...ature=youtu.be Shocking. fake
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22nd July 2011, 10:09 AM	#45
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22nd July 2011, 10:12 AM	#46
AdMan Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 7,157	Originally Posted by Ryokan The shooter has been apprehended. Good--hopefully they'll be able to get information from him.
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22nd July 2011, 10:25 AM	#47
icerat Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: sweden Posts: 3,122	reports now that several were killed on the island ETA: bodies being found in the government building ETAA: 7 confirmed dead from bomb now
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22nd July 2011, 10:36 AM	#48
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 8,165	Originally Posted by icerat reports now that several were killed on the island Media reports 4 killed on the island, but it's not confirmed by the police. ETA: 7 confirmed killed at the bombing.
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22nd July 2011, 10:07 AM	#43
jayh Muse Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: NJ USA Posts: 525	Originally Posted by Ryokan The attack on Utøya at least hints that it's somewhat home grown, as the shooter managed to impersonate a police officer. No reports on the ethnicity of the shooter. Some recent bombers in various places were natives recruited into the religion and used because of their ability to blend in.

22nd July 2011, 10:37 AM	#49
AdMan Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 7,157	Originally Posted by Ryokan Media reports 4 killed on the island, but it's not confirmed by the police. Just heard seven people were killed there. ETA: Now see that this may have been in the bomb attack, not at the island.
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22nd July 2011, 10:38 AM	#50
Hawk one Emperor of the Internet Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Right below The Hat. Posts: 12,844	The reports about deaths on islands have yet to be properly confirmed, it's a bit messy (to say the least). Numbers mostly based on eyewitness reports, which I believe are probably not completely accurate, due to the stress and chaos of the whole situation. I hope that these are understandable mistakes, and that there are less losses of life than what is being speculated about. Shooter's been apprehended. Apparently nordic-looking features, tall and blonde.
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22nd July 2011, 10:44 AM	#51
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22nd July 2011, 10:45 AM	#52
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by Sideroxylon To the Norwegians here, very sorry to hear this has happened to your country. Hope they capture all responsible. This!!!!

22nd July 2011, 10:46 AM	#53
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 8,165	Originally Posted by Hawk one Shooter's been apprehended. Apparently nordic-looking features, tall and blonde. I see this reported in foreign media - male, 180cm, blond hair, white skin - but it has not been reported by Norwegian media yet. ETA: Norwegian media now reports the same.
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22nd July 2011, 10:47 AM	#54
AdMan Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 7,157	Originally Posted by Sideroxylon To the Norwegians here, very sorry to hear this has happened to your country. Hope they capture all responsible. I am half Norwegian, which is why I'm following this so closely.
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22nd July 2011, 11:01 AM	#55
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 8,165	Police say they had a phone conversation with the shooter before he was apprehended, and that he spoke fluent Norwegian. Nothing is said about the content of the conversation.

22nd July 2011, 11:19 AM	#56
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 8,165	There are now unconfirmed reports of as many as 30 deaths at Utøya! It's a small island, and there were almost 600 people present. The shooter was armed with a pistol and some sort of rifle with a scope. It was a very target rich environment.

22nd July 2011, 11:26 AM	#57
icerat Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: sweden Posts: 3,122	Yup, NRK reporting 20 to 30. hope it's wrong
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22nd July 2011, 11:27 AM	#58
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22nd July 2011, 11:28 AM	#59
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22nd July 2011, 11:29 AM	#60
The Nimble Pianist Muse Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: USA Posts: 604	Jihadist group claims responsibility. Awaiting confirmation: Originally Posted by New York Times A terror group, Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, issued a statement claiming responsibility for the attack, according to Will McCants, a terrorism analyst at C.N.A., a research institute that studies terrorism. The message said the attack was a response to Norwegian forces’ presence in Afghanistan and to unspecified insults to the Prophet Muhammad. “We have warned since the Stockholm raid of more operations,” the group said, according to Mr. McCants’ translation, apparently referred to a bombing in Sweden in December 2010. “What you see is only the beginning, and there is more to come.” The claim could not be confirmed. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/wo...nted=1&_r=2&hp
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22nd July 2011, 11:30 AM	#61
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22nd July 2011, 11:30 AM	#62
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,011	Originally Posted by Sabretooth Never understood how this wacko's think blowing something up or shooting is going to change anything for the better. Condolences to all those effected by this nonsense. My advise to these shooters has always been to shoot yourself first, then see how you feel.
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22nd July 2011, 11:31 AM	#63
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 8,165	Helpers of the Global Jihad was mentioned on Norwegian media, but a terrorist expert said he had never heard of the organization.

22nd July 2011, 11:34 AM	#64
icerat Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: sweden Posts: 3,122	Ok, tracked down the 20 to 30 .... original quote was shot or injured, not a death toll number ETA:: second quote was from a witness saying he saw that many floating in the water. Not dead - trying to escape think the two have been incorrectly combined into 30 dead. At least I hope so.
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22nd July 2011, 11:42 AM	#65
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 8,165	Media reports that one witness saw at least 25-30 killed - and those were only the ones he saw. Witnesses also says he shouted 'come here' to people, who thought he was a police officer, then killed them as they came up to him. Apparently, he told people 'this is only the beginning.' Terrible fog of war over the whole situation. The vast majority of the people on the island were young teenagers, 14-18 years old. We can only hope the death toll is far lower than what is speculated on in the media now.

22nd July 2011, 11:43 AM	#66
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 8,165	http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/07/22/n...toya/17418837/ Picture here shows half a dozen dead at the shore on Utøya..

22nd July 2011, 11:44 AM	#67
AdMan Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 7,157	Originally Posted by Ryokan http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/07/22/n...toya/17418837/ Picture here shows half a dozen dead at the shore on Utøya.. That is awful.
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22nd July 2011, 11:45 AM	#68
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22nd July 2011, 11:48 AM	#70
Delscottio Muse Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 808	Everything I've heard so far is the gunman was extremely calm, collect and picked his target to do as much damage as possible unhindered. Grim stuff. Hopefully the reports are incorrect and there has been fewer deaths. p.s apologies for the fake vid before - didn't read the comments.
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22nd July 2011, 11:51 AM	#71
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22nd July 2011, 11:57 AM	#72
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22nd July 2011, 12:03 PM	#73
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22nd July 2011, 12:11 PM	#74
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22nd July 2011, 12:12 PM	#75
Delscottio Muse Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 808	Something is puzzling me here, on the News they have just said that the former PM was at Utøya this morning and the current PM was due tomorrow - where was the security / special branch etc?
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22nd July 2011, 12:13 PM	#76
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,882	Originally Posted by Ryokan No reports on the ethnicity of the shooter. Tells us nothing these days.
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22nd July 2011, 12:16 PM	#77
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 8,165	Originally Posted by Delscottio Something is puzzling me here, on the News they have just said that the former PM was at Utøya this morning and the current PM was due tomorrow - where was the security / special branch etc? That's the thing, we Norwegians don't do that. We've always been proud of our open society, where the king can take hiking trips whenever he wants alone with his wife, and where ministers and top politicians can take their bicycle to work without security. BBC has a good article about it: Quote: Norway is an incredibly open society. The Royal Family is free to move about with limited security, both in the nation's relatively small and peaceful cities, as well as on holiday in the mountains or on the coast. The country's politicians and business leaders mix freely with ordinary people in a manner rarely seen elsewhere in the world. Few people have secret addresses and telephone numbers - open the phonebook online and you will find links not only to aerial shots of people's houses and maps of where they live, but also details about their email addresses and their place of work. This is a society where top politicians, business executives and other celebrities often include their private telephone numbers and home addresses on their business cards. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14256438

22nd July 2011, 12:17 PM	#79
icerat Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: sweden Posts: 3,122	Originally Posted by Delscottio Something is puzzling me here, on the News they have just said that the former PM was at Utøya this morning and the current PM was due tomorrow - where was the security / special branch etc? No confusion. It's Norway. Sweden had virtually no security for politicians until their PM was assassinated, and even after that a man successfully stabbed their foreign minister.
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