The October 2011 Coalition

Brainster · 25th July 2011, 01:43 PM

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A group of far-left kooks is planning "a prolonged occupation of Washington DC" starting October 6, 2001 to protest against the war in Afghanistan and pending federal budget cuts. The group includes the usual suspects: Bill Moyer, Bob Fitrakis, Chris Hedges, Cynthia McKinney, David Lindorff, Howie Hawkins, Jane Hamsher, Larisa Alexandrovna, Medea Benjamin, Ray McGovern, Sibel Edmonds and Ted Rall.

Although they claim to be pacifists, one does not have to search deep on their website to find calls for violent insurrection:

Quote:

Austerity and Deficit Hawks Say, “Let Them Eat Cake,” The People Will Say, “Off With Their Heads”

Madame DeFarge would nod her head approvingly.

Of course, I don't expect them to do anything much more than give a bunch of speeches and shout slogans, but it should provide for some good comedy.

JoeTheJuggler · 25th July 2011, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Although they claim to be pacifists, one does not have to search deep on their website to find calls for violent insurrection:

Quote:

Austerity and Deficit Hawks Say, “Let Them Eat Cake,” The People Will Say, “Off With Their Heads”

You think they're going to bring guillotines?

Or do you think this is just rhetoric and does nothing to show that they're not pacifists who intend nothing but peaceful demonstration?

Brainster · 25th July 2011, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by JoeTheJuggler

You think they're going to bring guillotines?

Or do you think this is just rhetoric and does nothing to show that they're not pacifists who intend nothing but peaceful demonstration?

Try reading all the way through what I wrote before interfacing with the keyboard; it may help prevent you from looking foolish.

Originally Posted by Brainster

Of course, I don't expect them to do anything much more than give a bunch of speeches and shout slogans, but it should provide for some good comedy.

BenBurch · 25th July 2011, 02:19 PM

You're just upset that they can indeed draw a crowd while the usual right wing protest in DC has to be filmed with a tight camera angle to keep from looking as meager as it is.

tyr_13 · 25th July 2011, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

You're just upset that they can indeed draw a crowd while the usual right wing protest in DC has to be filmed with a tight camera angle to keep from looking as meager as it is.

I don't know how big a crowd they will draw. The only one I've ever heard of is McKinney, and that's only because she was a congresswoman who punched a capital police officer and make a bunch of crazy CT claims about Katrina.

johnny karate · 25th July 2011, 02:35 PM

Those crazy kooks and their distaste for war and the desire to not see social services cut!

How do people come up with such wacky notions?

The Central Scrutinizer · 25th July 2011, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by tyr_13

I don't know how big a crowd they will draw. The only one I've ever heard of is McKinney, and that's only because she was a congresswoman who punched a capital police officer and make a bunch of crazy CT claims about Katrina.

I need to find the old thread, but she's also the one who thinks Africa is a country.

C_Felix · 25th July 2011, 03:09 PM

If hope it is on TV. It might make for some interesting watching.

leftysergeant · 25th July 2011, 03:17 PM

Maybe those teatards diddling with the debt cieling and the social safety net need to see some angry people swarming the streets of D.C. like they did in Madison.

It is easy to pretend that they are not getting letters telling them to wake up and grow up.

Don't pretend that the massive protests of the 1960s and 70s didn't make a difference.

Tsukasa Buddha · 25th July 2011, 04:14 PM

I'm sure their vague demands will garner equally vague crowds that will produce equally vague results.

Let's go get that corporatism... It's right there!

To be honest, I kinda prefer the Socialist and Marxists leftists over these Progressives. They at least write books thinking and deconstructing and analytically materialising... These guys all seem to be catch phrases.

The fact that they have a "musicians" tab is just pathetic.

joobie · 25th July 2011, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

A group of far-left kooks is planning "a prolonged occupation of Washington DC" starting October 6, 2001 to protest against the war in Afghanistan

do they know they're ten years late already?

Darth Rotor · 25th July 2011, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha

The fact that they have a "musicians" tab is just pathetic.

We are the folk song army
Every one of us cares
We hate poverty war and injustice
Unlike the rest of you squares

Tom Lehrer, ~ 1965

He pre-lampooned this lot, did he not?

JoeTheJuggler · 25th July 2011, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Try reading all the way through what I wrote before interfacing with the keyboard; it may help prevent you from looking foolish.

Relax. I read your entire post and saw that you were speaking out of both sides of your mouth.

So it's OK for you to suggest that they're not really pacifists as long as you say you don't really mean it?

Or do you admit that they're not at all likely to do anything violent? If so, why bother saying what you said and posting this quote?

What exactly did you mean when you said "Although they claim to be pacifists" if you're not insinuating that they're threatening violence?

Brainster · 25th July 2011, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by JoeTheJuggler

Relax. I read your entire post and saw that you were speaking out of both sides of your mouth.

So it's OK for you to suggest that they're not really pacifists as long as you say you don't really mean it?

Or do you admit that they're not at all likely to do anything violent? If so, why bother saying what you said and posting this quote?

What exactly did you mean when you said "Although they claim to be pacifists" if you're not insinuating that they're threatening violence?

They're typically phony pacifists who fantasize about some revolution that eliminates all the nasty capitalist pigs, without actually having to load the tumbrils themselves. In short, they'd love for it to happen, but they don't want to dirty their own hands.

How else would you reconcile their claim of pacificism with this quote?

Quote:

Austerity and Deficit Hawks Say, “Let Them Eat Cake,” The People Will Say, “Off With Their Heads”

Is it intended as humor? Is it "off with their heads" in some metaphorical sense?

cwalner · 26th July 2011, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by joobie

do they know they're ten years late already?

C'mon, they are far left kooks (ie aging hippies). They are probably still living in 1967.

The Central Scrutinizer · 26th July 2011, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

I need to find the old thread, but she's also the one who thinks Africa is a country.

She also thought Paris was a country.

Crossbow · 26th July 2011, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by Brainster

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A group of far-left kooks is planning "a prolonged occupation of Washington DC" starting October 6, 2001 to protest against the war in Afghanistan and pending federal budget cuts. The group includes the usual suspects: Bill Moyer, Bob Fitrakis, Chris Hedges, Cynthia McKinney, David Lindorff, Howie Hawkins, Jane Hamsher, Larisa Alexandrovna, Medea Benjamin, Ray McGovern, Sibel Edmonds and Ted Rall.

Although they claim to be pacifists, one does not have to search deep on their website to find calls for violent insurrection:

Madame DeFarge would nod her head approvingly.

Of course, I don't expect them to do anything much more than give a bunch of speeches and shout slogans, but it should provide for some good comedy.

Is there a typo in this?

If the protests took place in October, 2001, then I would not worry about that since these protests occurred about 10 years ago.

But, if these protests are supposed to take place in October, 2011, then there may be something to worry about since that is just about two months away. However, I doubt that these protests will amount to very much, therefore one should not be too worried about them.

JoeTheJuggler · 26th July 2011, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by Brainster

They're typically phony pacifists who fantasize about some revolution that eliminates all the nasty capitalist pigs, without actually having to load the tumbrils themselves. In short, they'd love for it to happen, but they don't want to dirty their own hands.

I take that as an answer to my questions. So you do believe they're threatening violence?

Quote:

How else would you reconcile their claim of pacificism with this quote?

Is it intended as humor? Is it "off with their heads" in some metaphorical sense?

Yes. I do not believe any of them are threatening literal violence much less decapitation.

Do you? In the OP you spoke out of both sides of your mouth, but now you seem to believe that they really mean to threaten violence.

daenku32 · 26th July 2011, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Crossbow

Is there a typo in this?

If the protests took place in October, 2001, then I would not worry about that since these protests occurred about 10 years ago.

But, if these protests are supposed to take place in October, 2011, then there may be something to worry about since that is just about two months away. However, I doubt that these protests will amount to very much, therefore one should not be too worried about them.

Brainster typoed. Following the first link it say October 2011, but it is the anniversary of invasion of Afghanistan. 10 year anniversary.

I wouldn't be one to call the "kooks". Their message is the right one.

beeksc1 · 9th September 2011, 05:21 PM

I am starting a new thread on this topic because lacks any contribution to organization of the event and it's effectiveness.

Originally Posted by Brainster

They're typically phony pacifists who fantasize about some revolution that eliminates all the nasty capitalist pigs, without actually having to load the tumbrils themselves. In short, they'd love for it to happen, but they don't want to dirty their own hands.

Occurrences as such are seeds of the revolution. What kind of life are you planting, if your intentions are bloody. Our intention is to peacefully occupy our land; it is the people's.

Cylinder · 9th September 2011, 06:22 PM

I suppose a little overtime at the CTS plant can't be bad for the economy.

Minoosh · 9th September 2011, 06:34 PM

It is easy to fall into the rhetoric of war and violence. One of these days someone will declare a War on War.

respect · 9th September 2011, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by daenku32

I wouldn't be one to call the "kooks". Their message is the right one.

We shouldn't be so quick to dismiss Cynthia McKinney as a "kook". Who else will save us from the George Soros/Alan Greenspan/Jew plot to take over the world on behalf of the Rothschilds? Link.

Maybe she and Ron Paul can join forces to create a league of ~~dumbasses~~ superheroes.

25th July 2011, 01:46 PM	#2
JoeTheJuggler Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: St. Louis Posts: 26,829	Originally Posted by Brainster Although they claim to be pacifists, one does not have to search deep on their website to find calls for violent insurrection: Quote: Austerity and Deficit Hawks Say, “Let Them Eat Cake,” The People Will Say, “Off With Their Heads” You think they're going to bring guillotines? Or do you think this is just rhetoric and does nothing to show that they're not pacifists who intend nothing but peaceful demonstration?
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25th July 2011, 02:03 PM	#3
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,441	Originally Posted by JoeTheJuggler You think they're going to bring guillotines? Or do you think this is just rhetoric and does nothing to show that they're not pacifists who intend nothing but peaceful demonstration? Try reading all the way through what I wrote before interfacing with the keyboard; it may help prevent you from looking foolish. Originally Posted by Brainster Of course, I don't expect them to do anything much more than give a bunch of speeches and shout slogans, but it should provide for some good comedy.
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25th July 2011, 02:19 PM	#4
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,219	You're just upset that they can indeed draw a crowd while the usual right wing protest in DC has to be filmed with a tight camera angle to keep from looking as meager as it is.
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25th July 2011, 02:31 PM	#5
tyr_13 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Falconer, NY Posts: 9,677	Originally Posted by BenBurch You're just upset that they can indeed draw a crowd while the usual right wing protest in DC has to be filmed with a tight camera angle to keep from looking as meager as it is. I don't know how big a crowd they will draw. The only one I've ever heard of is McKinney, and that's only because she was a congresswoman who punched a capital police officer and make a bunch of crazy CT claims about Katrina.
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25th July 2011, 02:35 PM	#6
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,833	Those crazy kooks and their distaste for war and the desire to not see social services cut! How do people come up with such wacky notions?
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25th July 2011, 03:08 PM	#7
The Central Scrutinizer Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The White Zone Posts: 42,278	Originally Posted by tyr_13 I don't know how big a crowd they will draw. The only one I've ever heard of is McKinney, and that's only because she was a congresswoman who punched a capital police officer and make a bunch of crazy CT claims about Katrina. I need to find the old thread, but she's also the one who thinks Africa is a country.
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25th July 2011, 03:09 PM	#8
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25th July 2011, 03:17 PM	#9
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	Maybe those teatards diddling with the debt cieling and the social safety net need to see some angry people swarming the streets of D.C. like they did in Madison. It is easy to pretend that they are not getting letters telling them to wake up and grow up. Don't pretend that the massive protests of the 1960s and 70s didn't make a difference.
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25th July 2011, 04:14 PM	#10
Tsukasa Buddha Other (please write in) Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NeverLand Posts: 9,920	I'm sure their vague demands will garner equally vague crowds that will produce equally vague results. Let's go get that corporatism... It's right there! To be honest, I kinda prefer the Socialist and Marxists leftists over these Progressives. They at least write books thinking and deconstructing and analytically materialising... These guys all seem to be catch phrases. The fact that they have a "musicians" tab is just pathetic.
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25th July 2011, 04:21 PM	#11
joobie i don't care Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in my dreams, i am still in perú Posts: 2,517	Originally Posted by Brainster A group of far-left kooks is planning "a prolonged occupation of Washington DC" starting October 6, 2001 to protest against the war in Afghanistan do they know they're ten years late already?
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25th July 2011, 05:56 PM	#12
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,279	Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha The fact that they have a "musicians" tab is just pathetic. We are the folk song army Every one of us cares We hate poverty war and injustice Unlike the rest of you squares Tom Lehrer, ~ 1965 He pre-lampooned this lot, did he not?
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25th July 2011, 07:18 PM	#13
JoeTheJuggler Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: St. Louis Posts: 26,829	Originally Posted by Brainster Try reading all the way through what I wrote before interfacing with the keyboard; it may help prevent you from looking foolish. Relax. I read your entire post and saw that you were speaking out of both sides of your mouth. So it's OK for you to suggest that they're not really pacifists as long as you say you don't really mean it? Or do you admit that they're not at all likely to do anything violent? If so, why bother saying what you said and posting this quote? What exactly did you mean when you said "Although they claim to be pacifists" if you're not insinuating that they're threatening violence?
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25th July 2011, 07:54 PM	#14
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,441	Originally Posted by JoeTheJuggler Relax. I read your entire post and saw that you were speaking out of both sides of your mouth. So it's OK for you to suggest that they're not really pacifists as long as you say you don't really mean it? Or do you admit that they're not at all likely to do anything violent? If so, why bother saying what you said and posting this quote? What exactly did you mean when you said "Although they claim to be pacifists" if you're not insinuating that they're threatening violence? They're typically phony pacifists who fantasize about some revolution that eliminates all the nasty capitalist pigs, without actually having to load the tumbrils themselves. In short, they'd love for it to happen, but they don't want to dirty their own hands. How else would you reconcile their claim of pacificism with this quote? Quote: Austerity and Deficit Hawks Say, “Let Them Eat Cake,” The People Will Say, “Off With Their Heads” Is it intended as humor? Is it "off with their heads" in some metaphorical sense?
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26th July 2011, 08:32 AM	#15
cwalner Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Deepest Darkest Indiana Posts: 5,708	Originally Posted by joobie do they know they're ten years late already? C'mon, they are far left kooks (ie aging hippies). They are probably still living in 1967.
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26th July 2011, 08:51 AM	#16
The Central Scrutinizer Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The White Zone Posts: 42,278	Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer I need to find the old thread, but she's also the one who thinks Africa is a country. She also thought Paris was a country.
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26th July 2011, 09:27 AM	#18
JoeTheJuggler Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: St. Louis Posts: 26,829	Originally Posted by Brainster They're typically phony pacifists who fantasize about some revolution that eliminates all the nasty capitalist pigs, without actually having to load the tumbrils themselves. In short, they'd love for it to happen, but they don't want to dirty their own hands. I take that as an answer to my questions. So you do believe they're threatening violence? Quote: How else would you reconcile their claim of pacificism with this quote? Is it intended as humor? Is it "off with their heads" in some metaphorical sense? Yes. I do not believe any of them are threatening literal violence much less decapitation. Do you? In the OP you spoke out of both sides of your mouth, but now you seem to believe that they really mean to threaten violence.
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26th July 2011, 09:35 PM	#19
daenku32 Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,982	Originally Posted by Crossbow Is there a typo in this? If the protests took place in October, 2001, then I would not worry about that since these protests occurred about 10 years ago. But, if these protests are supposed to take place in October, 2011, then there may be something to worry about since that is just about two months away. However, I doubt that these protests will amount to very much, therefore one should not be too worried about them. Brainster typoed. Following the first link it say October 2011, but it is the anniversary of invasion of Afghanistan. 10 year anniversary. I wouldn't be one to call the "kooks". Their message is the right one.

9th September 2011, 05:21 PM	#20
beeksc1 A holographic observer Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: In the here and now Posts: 321	Peace I am starting a new thread on this topic because lacks any contribution to organization of the event and it's effectiveness. Originally Posted by Brainster They're typically phony pacifists who fantasize about some revolution that eliminates all the nasty capitalist pigs, without actually having to load the tumbrils themselves. In short, they'd love for it to happen, but they don't want to dirty their own hands. Occurrences as such are seeds of the revolution. What kind of life are you planting, if your intentions are bloody. Our intention is to peacefully occupy our land; it is the people's.

9th September 2011, 06:22 PM	#21
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9th September 2011, 06:34 PM	#22
Minoosh Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 1,490	It is easy to fall into the rhetoric of war and violence. One of these days someone will declare a War on War.
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9th September 2011, 07:51 PM	#23
respect Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Bohemian Grove Posts: 3,517	Originally Posted by daenku32 I wouldn't be one to call the "kooks". Their message is the right one. We shouldn't be so quick to dismiss Cynthia McKinney as a "kook". Who else will save us from the George Soros/Alan Greenspan/Jew plot to take over the world on behalf of the Rothschilds? Link. Maybe she and Ron Paul can join forces to create a league of ~~dumbasses~~ superheroes.