Sovereign Citizen exchanges gunfire with police.

Alareth · 27th July 2011, 08:39 PM

A Texas man pulled a gun when an officer approached him over an arrest warrant for traffic charges.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/07...zen-group.html

More details on the legal comedy that resulted in the arrest warrant.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/07...tout-with.html

timhau · 27th July 2011, 10:07 PM

From a traffic ticket for driving without a seat belt to an attempted capital murder charge in just under a year and 5 months. Slow and steady gets you the WIN.

Greedo · 27th July 2011, 10:29 PM

Okay, did I miss something? What's this "sovereign citizen" group?

timhau · 27th July 2011, 10:39 PM

There is a long -- really long -- thread dedicated to this idiocy. Warning: reading some of the posts may make you dumber.

Greedo · 27th July 2011, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by timhau

There is a long -- really long -- thread dedicated to this idiocy. Warning: reading some of the posts may make you dumber.

Oh, it's part of the whole FotL thing... Although I never followed that thread, I have some general understanding what it is about. Still, gaaah!?

timhau · 28th July 2011, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by Greedo

Still, gaaah!?

That's a pretty good summary of it, yeah.

Biscuit · 28th July 2011, 06:45 AM

I got into an argument with what I would call an amateur FOTL the other day. I knew more about it than he did but he kept insisting the british NAVY owned my Jaguar because it took a boat across the ocean to get here from England.

e-sabbath · 28th July 2011, 09:57 AM

Looks like Bert Gummer, doesn't he?

Spindrift · 28th July 2011, 10:14 AM

I love this line:

Quote:

After his release, Tesi was to appear in the Colleyville Municipal Court but that appearance on Feb. 20 did not go well with the city judge.

I can just see this guy sitting in his jail cell thinking, "Why are they doing this to me? I said all the right magic words." I'm sure he can't fathom that all the crud he's swallowed is still crud when regurgitated in court.

caniswalensis · 28th July 2011, 10:22 AM

To paraphrase an old truism: "A man who is is own sovereign has a fool for a subject."

Howie Felterbush · 28th July 2011, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Biscuit

I got into an argument with what I would call an amateur FOTL the other day. I knew more about it than he did but he kept insisting the british NAVY owned my Jaguar because it took a boat across the ocean to get here from England.

You're lucky. Just send the Navy the bill when repair time rolls around. (If it's an older 12 cylinder, I'm betting cooling system.)

Captain_Swoop · 29th July 2011, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Howie Felterbush

You're lucky. Just send the Navy the bill when repair time rolls around. (If it's an older 12 cylinder, I'm betting cooling system.)

If it's an old 12 cylinder model and you aren't in a dry state it will be rust.
I have had severa V12 Jag XJS models over the years, never had a problem with cooling but had problems with rust as they got older.

patchbunny · 29th July 2011, 05:13 PM

I've wondered if this guy arrested in Utah was not revealing his identity because he's a FotL kook. Don't have enough details to go on.

Horatius · 29th July 2011, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by patchbunny

I've wondered if this guy arrested in Utah was not revealing his identity because he's a FotL kook. Don't have enough details to go on.

Quote:

A call from a family member resulted in the identification of Philip Todd Beavers

Come on; would you want to admit your name was "Phil Beavers"?

Howie Felterbush · 29th July 2011, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

If it's an old 12 cylinder model and you aren't in a dry state it will be rust.
I have had severa V12 Jag XJS models over the years, never had a problem with cooling but had problems with rust as they got older.

You were lucky.

I just assume everything I own is going to rust, I'm in the road salt capital of the midwest.

patchbunny · 29th July 2011, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by Horatius

Come on; would you want to admit your name was "Phil Beavers"?

It was probably more fitting when he was younger.

Captain_Swoop · 30th July 2011, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by Howie Felterbush

You were lucky.

I just assume everything I own is going to rust, I'm in the road salt capital of the midwest.

I did have problems on all of them with the minor electrics, door mirrors stopping, windows stopping etc. Plus the aircon on all 3 would decompress over a few months and have to be pumped up again.

The Don · 30th July 2011, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by Howie Felterbush

You were lucky.

I just assume everything I own is going to rust, I'm in the road salt capital of the midwest.

<----

Mine can't rust any more, it's 99% filler.

It's got cooling problems though.

Myron Proudfoot · 30th July 2011, 10:47 AM

"an exchange of gunfire" sounds so polite.

"you first"
"no, after you"
"please, I insist."
"Alright, if you insist." BANG BANG

sadhatter · 31st July 2011, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by Horatius

Come on; would you want to admit your name was "Phil Beavers"?

If that was your name, and you did not pick porn as a career, you are obviously going against the law of the universe.

Fotl'ers love to talk about the universal laws that govern us all, while apparently spitting in the face of one of the most recognizable. If your name sounds dirty, you must be a porn star.

Maybe that is what it is, some research would probably show us all Fotl'ers have names like...

Richard Hardwick
Mo Todger
Phil Crackswell
Dick Plenty
ETC.

And are just ****** off that they must choose a career they don't want.

Spindrift · 1st August 2011, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Horatius

Come on; would you want to admit your name was "Phil Beavers"?

Or Phil T. Beavers

timhau · 1st August 2011, 10:43 AM

Well, it quite obviously sounds better if you use it in its real form, i.e. Phil, of the house of Beavers.

Alferd_Packer · 1st August 2011, 11:31 AM

from the one article:

Quote:

After his release, Tesi was to appear in the Colleyville Municipal Court but that appearance on Feb. 20 did not go well with the city judge.

Read more: http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/07...#ixzz1TnrSTA82

Now I want to read the transcript.

Sledge · 1st August 2011, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by timhau

Well, it quite obviously sounds better if you use it in its real form, i.e. Phil, of the house of Beavers.

There is a house of Beavers.
It's caaaalllleeddd the riiiiiiisin' sun...

What worries me most about this story is it doesn't surprise me at all. If anything, I'm surprised more of these nutjobs aren't starting gunfights.

Alareth · 1st August 2011, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Myron Proudfoot

"an exchange of gunfire" sounds so polite.

"you first"
"no, after you"
"please, I insist."
"Alright, if you insist." BANG BANG

I actually took time and considered how to word the thread title because the articles didn't actually say who shot first.

Eddie Dane · 2nd August 2011, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by Horatius

Come on; would you want to admit your name was "Phil Beavers"?

I think I have seen some of his videos.

Didn't he work with Karl Hungus and Dick Longo?

bulldog · 2nd August 2011, 07:01 AM

Has anyone been able to use a freeman term to escape punishment? If they have I will eat my hat.

CORed · 2nd August 2011, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Horatius

Come on; would you want to admit your name was "Phil Beavers"?

Why yes. Yes I would.

ETA: Then again, maybe he did tell the cops his name is "Phil Beavers" and they though he was being a smart-ass.

Horatius · 2nd August 2011, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by CORed

ETA: Then again, maybe he did tell the cops his name is "Phil Beavers" and they though he was being a smart-ass.

That's the most believable thing ever said in a FOTL thread, I think.

Spindrift · 2nd August 2011, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by bulldog

Has anyone been able to use a freeman term to escape punishment? If they have I will eat my hat.

I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere some exasperated judge just said, "You son, are just too stupid to go to jail. Get out of my court."

timhau · 2nd August 2011, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by Spindrift

I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere some exasperated judge just said, "You son, are just too stupid to go to jail. Get out of my court."

I can see that happening once. However, I assume that instead of an "Oops, I really screwed the pooch there but got lucky" -type of a learning experience, Freeloaders take that as a vindication of the FOTL insanity, which means they'll soon be in courts again, trying to pull the same

. That is very likely to be when the leniency ends.

SezMe · 3rd August 2011, 12:34 AM

This caught my eye:

Quote:

"The subject exited his vehicle and pointed a handgun at the officer. In fear of his life, the officer raised his weapon. An exchange of gunfire occurred."Tesi was wounded once in the face and once in the foot.

That's quite a range of hits.

Horatius · 3rd August 2011, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by SezMe

This caught my eye:

That's quite a range of hits.

I imagine it went down something like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bLR04OkC-I&t=2m38s

...just with less pistol exploding.

27th July 2011, 08:39 PM	#1
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27th July 2011, 10:29 PM	#3
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27th July 2011, 10:39 PM	#4
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: East of Sweeden Posts: 9,659	There is a long -- really long -- thread dedicated to this idiocy. Warning: reading some of the posts may make you dumber.
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27th July 2011, 10:45 PM	#5
Greedo Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,570	Originally Posted by timhau There is a long -- really long -- thread dedicated to this idiocy. Warning: reading some of the posts may make you dumber. Oh, it's part of the whole FotL thing... Although I never followed that thread, I have some general understanding what it is about. Still, gaaah!?
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28th July 2011, 12:42 AM	#6
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: East of Sweeden Posts: 9,659	Originally Posted by Greedo Still, gaaah!? That's a pretty good summary of it, yeah.
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28th July 2011, 06:45 AM	#7
Biscuit Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,767	I got into an argument with what I would call an amateur FOTL the other day. I knew more about it than he did but he kept insisting the british NAVY owned my Jaguar because it took a boat across the ocean to get here from England.
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28th July 2011, 09:57 AM	#8
e-sabbath Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 321	Looks like Bert Gummer, doesn't he?

28th July 2011, 10:14 AM	#9
Spindrift Enturbulator Extraordinaire Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 8,449	I love this line: Quote: After his release, Tesi was to appear in the Colleyville Municipal Court but that appearance on Feb. 20 did not go well with the city judge. I can just see this guy sitting in his jail cell thinking, "Why are they doing this to me? I said all the right magic words." I'm sure he can't fathom that all the crud he's swallowed is still crud when regurgitated in court.
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28th July 2011, 10:22 AM	#10
caniswalensis Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,567	To paraphrase an old truism: "A man who is is own sovereign has a fool for a subject."
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28th July 2011, 08:12 PM	#11
Howie Felterbush Bow Tie Daddy Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: In the twilight, singing all the old lullabies Posts: 5,333	Originally Posted by Biscuit I got into an argument with what I would call an amateur FOTL the other day. I knew more about it than he did but he kept insisting the british NAVY owned my Jaguar because it took a boat across the ocean to get here from England. You're lucky. Just send the Navy the bill when repair time rolls around. (If it's an older 12 cylinder, I'm betting cooling system.)
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29th July 2011, 12:23 PM	#12
Captain_Swoop Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 3,917	Originally Posted by Howie Felterbush You're lucky. Just send the Navy the bill when repair time rolls around. (If it's an older 12 cylinder, I'm betting cooling system.) If it's an old 12 cylinder model and you aren't in a dry state it will be rust. I have had severa V12 Jag XJS models over the years, never had a problem with cooling but had problems with rust as they got older.

29th July 2011, 05:13 PM	#13
patchbunny Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2004 Location: Right about... here. Posts: 1,551	I've wondered if this guy arrested in Utah was not revealing his identity because he's a FotL kook. Don't have enough details to go on.
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29th July 2011, 05:40 PM	#14
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 21,889	Originally Posted by patchbunny I've wondered if this guy arrested in Utah was not revealing his identity because he's a FotL kook. Don't have enough details to go on. Quote: A call from a family member resulted in the identification of Philip Todd Beavers Come on; would you want to admit your name was "Phil Beavers"?
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29th July 2011, 08:26 PM	#15
Howie Felterbush Bow Tie Daddy Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: In the twilight, singing all the old lullabies Posts: 5,333	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop If it's an old 12 cylinder model and you aren't in a dry state it will be rust. I have had severa V12 Jag XJS models over the years, never had a problem with cooling but had problems with rust as they got older. You were lucky. I just assume everything I own is going to rust, I'm in the road salt capital of the midwest.
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29th July 2011, 09:07 PM	#16
patchbunny Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2004 Location: Right about... here. Posts: 1,551	Originally Posted by Horatius Come on; would you want to admit your name was "Phil Beavers"? It was probably more fitting when he was younger.
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30th July 2011, 06:15 AM	#17
Captain_Swoop Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 3,917	Originally Posted by Howie Felterbush You were lucky. I just assume everything I own is going to rust, I'm in the road salt capital of the midwest. I did have problems on all of them with the minor electrics, door mirrors stopping, windows stopping etc. Plus the aircon on all 3 would decompress over a few months and have to be pumped up again.

30th July 2011, 08:14 AM	#18
The Don Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cymru Posts: 8,235	Originally Posted by Howie Felterbush You were lucky. I just assume everything I own is going to rust, I'm in the road salt capital of the midwest. <---- Mine can't rust any more, it's 99% filler. It's got cooling problems though.

30th July 2011, 10:47 AM	#19
Myron Proudfoot Muse Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Washington DC area. Posts: 959	"an exchange of gunfire" sounds so polite. "you first" "no, after you" "please, I insist." "Alright, if you insist." BANG BANG
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31st July 2011, 07:52 AM	#20
sadhatter Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,743	Originally Posted by Horatius Come on; would you want to admit your name was "Phil Beavers"? If that was your name, and you did not pick porn as a career, you are obviously going against the law of the universe. Fotl'ers love to talk about the universal laws that govern us all, while apparently spitting in the face of one of the most recognizable. If your name sounds dirty, you must be a porn star. Maybe that is what it is, some research would probably show us all Fotl'ers have names like... Richard Hardwick Mo Todger Phil Crackswell Dick Plenty ETC. And are just ****** off that they must choose a career they don't want.
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1st August 2011, 10:39 AM	#21
Spindrift Enturbulator Extraordinaire Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 8,449	Originally Posted by Horatius Come on; would you want to admit your name was "Phil Beavers"? Or Phil T. Beavers
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1st August 2011, 10:43 AM	#22
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: East of Sweeden Posts: 9,659	Well, it quite obviously sounds better if you use it in its real form, i.e. Phil, of the house of Beavers.
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1st August 2011, 11:31 AM	#23
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,205	from the one article: Quote: After his release, Tesi was to appear in the Colleyville Municipal Court but that appearance on Feb. 20 did not go well with the city judge. Read more: http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/07...#ixzz1TnrSTA82 Now I want to read the transcript.
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1st August 2011, 04:00 PM	#24
Sledge Grammaton Cleric Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Swingin' on a star Posts: 7,123	Originally Posted by timhau Well, it quite obviously sounds better if you use it in its real form, i.e. Phil, of the house of Beavers. There is a house of Beavers. It's caaaalllleeddd the riiiiiiisin' sun... What worries me most about this story is it doesn't surprise me at all. If anything, I'm surprised more of these nutjobs aren't starting gunfights.
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1st August 2011, 08:24 PM	#25
Alareth Expert Expertologist Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 6,673	Originally Posted by Myron Proudfoot "an exchange of gunfire" sounds so polite. "you first" "no, after you" "please, I insist." "Alright, if you insist." BANG BANG I actually took time and considered how to word the thread title because the articles didn't actually say who shot first.
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2nd August 2011, 12:29 AM	#26
Eddie Dane Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,417	Originally Posted by Horatius Come on; would you want to admit your name was "Phil Beavers"? I think I have seen some of his videos. Didn't he work with Karl Hungus and Dick Longo?

2nd August 2011, 07:01 AM	#27
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2nd August 2011, 10:38 AM	#28
CORed Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,288	Originally Posted by Horatius Come on; would you want to admit your name was "Phil Beavers"? Why yes. Yes I would. ETA: Then again, maybe he did tell the cops his name is "Phil Beavers" and they though he was being a smart-ass.
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2nd August 2011, 11:27 AM	#29
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 21,889	Originally Posted by CORed ETA: Then again, maybe he did tell the cops his name is "Phil Beavers" and they though he was being a smart-ass. That's the most believable thing ever said in a FOTL thread, I think.
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2nd August 2011, 01:53 PM	#30
Spindrift Enturbulator Extraordinaire Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 8,449	Originally Posted by bulldog Has anyone been able to use a freeman term to escape punishment? If they have I will eat my hat. I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere some exasperated judge just said, "You son, are just too stupid to go to jail. Get out of my court."
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2nd August 2011, 11:54 PM	#31
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: East of Sweeden Posts: 9,659	Originally Posted by Spindrift I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere some exasperated judge just said, "You son, are just too stupid to go to jail. Get out of my court." I can see that happening once. However, I assume that instead of an "Oops, I really screwed the pooch there but got lucky" -type of a learning experience, Freeloaders take that as a vindication of the FOTL insanity, which means they'll soon be in courts again, trying to pull the same . That is very likely to be when the leniency ends.
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3rd August 2011, 12:34 AM	#32
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 16,369	This caught my eye: Quote: "The subject exited his vehicle and pointed a handgun at the officer. In fear of his life, the officer raised his weapon. An exchange of gunfire occurred."Tesi was wounded once in the face and once in the foot. That's quite a range of hits.

3rd August 2011, 05:24 AM	#33
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 21,889	Originally Posted by SezMe This caught my eye: That's quite a range of hits. I imagine it went down something like this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bLR04OkC-I&t=2m38s ...just with less pistol exploding.
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