August Stundie nominations - Page 5

Horatius · 25th August 2011, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

Patrick1000 seems to have stayed out of the running so far by never saying anything comprehensible. On the rare occasions when he does, we can see why he'd rather not.

Ahem.

I even made a comic for it!

MetalPig · 26th August 2011, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by Travis

I think it's curious they didn't spell it Ammonia.

No, Ammonia is memory loss.

matt.tansy · 26th August 2011, 08:05 AM

A planetarium program doesn't match what he thinks the Earth should look like therefore the Moon landings were hoaxed.

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...7807abe282.png

Not the best quality shot. Try this if you have the software, Look for the Earth in the lunar sky on the evening of the Apollo 11 landing. I had to use the program's search function to find the Earth. It is roughly a magnitude -15 or 16 celestial object. the Earth should be way way way brighter than the stars. What is going on? Is this an innocent oversight to not have the earths it should appear. for the most part this software is great.

Captain_Swoop · 26th August 2011, 08:19 AM

Worse, he thinks the software developers are 'in on it'

triforcharity · 26th August 2011, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Worse, he thinks the software developers are 'in on it'

We'll, that's where he's wrong. We pay them guys BIG money to do what they do. If they're not, we'll just send the Kitty over there.......

muzungu100 · 26th August 2011, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by MetalPig

No, Ammonia is memory loss.

Ammonia, Nammonia, Namonya...we've nailed it!

What was it about again?

Travis · 26th August 2011, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by MetalPig

No, Ammonia is memory loss.

You're thinking of Old Timers Disease.

sylvan8798 · 27th August 2011, 12:18 AM

NASA does an animation illustrating recent data where a black hole draws in a stray star. Comments abound on the Huffpost article. One of the brighter bulbs, upon being asked what it is that HE has done with his superior intelligence (as opposed to chasing stars):

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...ec1_lnk3|89642

Quote:

Sought my own answers to questions that the current model just does not handle to my satisfaction, as they rely too heavily on things that are unseen but must be believed, nonetheless. "Science" has become more of a faith-based affair in the recent decades, having been given over to the mathematicians who are allowed to describe imaginary worlds. I remember the first time I heard of "imaginary numbers" in high school, I thought, "What kind of crap is that?" Turns out that math is not required to describe actual physical reality, a danger since it is relied upon so heavily to describe the Cosmos. We have mistaken mathematical reality for physical reality

Just because a math equation says that it is so does not mean that it either physically possible or real, especially when that math equation effectively has infinity on one side of it.

Damn mathematicians. I always knew they were trouble.

triforcharity · 27th August 2011, 10:08 AM

In a thread talking about FEMA et al. getting blueprints from the building owners in NYC, I asked TMD if they were ever denied access to blueprints.

Originally Posted by triforcharity

So, did they get the blueprints? Yes or no?

I had shown that FEMA et al. had in fact gotten the blueprints, but after being delayed for legal reasons.

And TMD adds this gem.

Originally Posted by tmd2_1

First of all BPAT did not get access, the documents were given to them.

So, they didn't get access to documents that were given to them.

How is that possible?

matt.tansy · 27th August 2011, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by triforcharity

So, they didn't get access to documents that were given to them.

How is that possible?

Simple! They put the blueprints inside Dan Brown's Cryptex!

Travis · 27th August 2011, 11:58 PM

Now that is funny.

triforcharity · 28th August 2011, 07:37 AM

Awesome!!!

tsig · 28th August 2011, 07:44 AM

First of all, if you were neutral and openminded, you could say:" ohh, about the det cord marokkaan maybe you are right. So maybe i really dont have the knowledge to talk about controlled demolition"

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...&postcount=551

If you agree with me you're open minded.

Klimax · 28th August 2011, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by tsig

First of all, if you were neutral and openminded, you could say:" ohh, about the det cord marokkaan maybe you are right. So maybe i really dont have the knowledge to talk about controlled demolition"

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...&postcount=551

If you agree with me you're open minded.

This is bad...

carlitos · 28th August 2011, 12:40 PM

Posted on the day a hurricane landed in New York City:

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

Subway systems will shut down

Philadelphia and NYC? HUH?

Why?

LordXenu · 28th August 2011, 08:48 PM

This isn't a stundie for what it says exactly, but for what it represents:
http://www.henrymakow.com/lyme_disea...ck_that_a.html

Quote:

The incidence of Lyme Disease has DOUBLED since 1991. Let's say that we've got 500,000 cases a year for 20 years, since Lyme is under-reported and under-diagnosed.

That means we're talking at least 10 million cases in the USA alone.

Conspiracy theorists think that they can get away with making up their own facts.

TSR · 28th August 2011, 10:11 PM

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CM is like, hip to the lingo, ah'ight? Sleet kills, f'sherzle:
.

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

Talk about being pawned and gaspingly grasping at straws.

.
Word to ya mommy.
.

tsig · 29th August 2011, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by TSR

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CM is like, hip to the lingo, ah'ight? Sleet kills, f'sherzle:
.

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Word to ya mommy.
.

His limited vocabulary seems limited to words that limit his meaning to the limit he wants it limited.

ApolloGnomon · 29th August 2011, 01:29 PM

Quote:

My point plays out the same way, regardless of the story's authenticity, or how its inauthenticity may be accounted for

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...postcount=1613

Patrick1000, on the story that CAPCOM reporting Lick Observatory targeting the LRRR on the 20th, whether true or not, still stands.

Drudgewire · 29th August 2011, 04:05 PM

Marokkaan is really trying to sew up the award before the month ends. There are many to choose from in this particular thread but I'll just throw out two lines from THIS POST

Originally Posted by Marokkaan

But you have truthers, who dont care about the conspiracies but care about the truth and science.

Followed by...

Quote:

Since when, is taking the theory controlled demolition serious, believing in a conspiracy? Maybe al qaida did the controlled demolition. We dont know, we just look to the science not who did it.

Again that's just starting off point. He provides a whole treasure trove of nomination material to choose from in that thread.

Disbelief · 30th August 2011, 07:11 AM

Someone posted this on their FB wall about the FB security policy (bolding mine):

Originally Posted by Ryan

they did this one intentionally so that people give them more information which they sell to intelligence agencies and businesses.

tsig · 30th August 2011, 01:08 PM

Falling objects cannot damage anything as Maorkkan explains:

It is a violation of the principle of conversation of energy, there was no gravitational energy left to break the building apart as it fell, it went all to freefall, so there needs to be another different energy.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...&postcount=639

ETA: Here's another one in the same post:

Architects and the most engineers do not have the expertise of physics, dont lie to me please.

I had an expertise once but it got out if it's cage and ran away.

Sword_Of_Truth · 30th August 2011, 03:05 PM

Quarky squeaks in right under the wire and swings for the fences:

Originally Posted by quarky

Sure seems like it.
Tidal power is extra bizarre. Its not solar, like other hydro-power. Putting resistance on it might even affect the moon's orbit. Very little, I'm sure.

Cl1mh4224rd · 30th August 2011, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

Quarky squeaks in right under the wire and swings for the fences:

Solar water! Careful... it's hot!

Sword_Of_Truth · 30th August 2011, 04:53 PM

The energy that drives hydrologic cycle on Earth comes from the sun. He was right about that. It's the claim that exploiting tidal power can affect the orbit of the Moon is where he takes a hard left turn into cuckoo-land.

Myron Proudfoot · 30th August 2011, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by matt.tansy

Simple! They put the blueprints inside Dan Brown's Cryptex!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...tex01wiki1.jpg

Is that a sex toy? That would explain the Mona Lisa's little smile wouldn't it...

matt.tansy · 30th August 2011, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

The energy that drives hydrologic cycle on Earth comes from the sun. He was right about that. It's the claim that exploiting tidal power can affect the orbit of the Moon is where he takes a hard left turn into cuckoo-land.

The rotation rate of the Earth affects the distance of the Moon. If the tides are altered it will affect the Earth's rotation rate which will affect the distance to the Moon.

Tidal acceleration

W.D.Clinger · 30th August 2011, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

The energy that drives hydrologic cycle on Earth comes from the sun. He was right about that. It's the claim that exploiting tidal power can affect the orbit of the Moon is where he takes a hard left turn into cuckoo-land.

Why so? It sounds like standard physics to me. To simplify his argument a little, exploitation of tidal power would change the time-varying distribution of oceanic mass on earth, which would likely result in some small perturbation in the orbit of the moon. As he acknowledged, the effect would be "very little".

I also fail to see the connection to a conspiracy theory, but I haven't checked the context.

ETA: While I was composing this, matt.tansy gave an even simpler explanation.

Travis · 30th August 2011, 07:33 PM

But would human intervention affect the Moon in any way that would be substantial enough to cause worry?

matt.tansy · 30th August 2011, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Travis

But would human intervention affect the Moon in any way that would be substantial enough to cause worry?

Nah. If we could extract a gajaliionwatt·hours per year out of tidal power it would move the Moon about half a nanometer out.

Sword_Of_Truth · 30th August 2011, 07:59 PM

Deleted, re-reading matt.tansy's link

EventHorizon · 30th August 2011, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by Marokkaan

Architects and the most engineers do not have the expertise of physics, dont lie to me please.

I guess he's right if by engineers he means people who drive trains.

Sam.I.Am · 31st August 2011, 03:11 AM

Originally Posted by EventHorizon

I guess he's right if by engineers he means people who drive trains.

I'm quite sure that train engineers have a very good innate sense of physics in action. If not they wouldn't remain in that job for very long.

excaza · 31st August 2011, 04:28 AM

Originally Posted by Sam.I.Am

I'm quite sure that train engineers have a very good innate sense of physics in action. If not they wouldn't remain in that job for very long.

I guess they could just text their physics major friend if they ever had a question while on the job.

Horatius · 31st August 2011, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by excaza

I guess they could just text their physics major friend if they ever had a question while on the job.

"Yes, if you run out of track before you run out of velocity, you're in trouble!"

matt.tansy · 31st August 2011, 06:41 AM

Sooper seekret NASA mirrors won't reflect light unless you enter the password.

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

So abaddon, can you show me they were bouncing photons off the Apollo 11 LRRR way back in 1969, 1970, and so on? I doubt it. I believe we will find this to not be the case. It is researchable. we will find restricted access in those days and that will mean, military use and Apollo fraud to plant them there. We shall see. It will be interesting. Again , the point is, if Wampler is correct, there is zero chance we would put a passive device up there. So Apollo authenticity is utterly dependent on Wampler being wrong about the military applications of LRRR ranging. If Wampler is correct, WE MUST FIND THE LRRR TO NOT BE PASSIVE. ITS ACCESS WILL HAVE BEEN RESTRICTED.

ArmillarySphere · 31st August 2011, 09:08 AM

That poster excels at arguments of the form of "I'll make some stuff up and unless you can prove me wrong that means I WIN"

ApolloGnomon · 31st August 2011, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by excaza

I guess they could just text their physics major friend if they ever had a question while on the job.

Not in California.

excaza · 31st August 2011, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by ApolloGnomon

Not in California.

Aye, my point as well. Should have included a smiley

crash -> physics in action... I don't know, it made sense in my head!

000063 · 31st August 2011, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

Patrick1000 seems to have stayed out of the running so far by never saying anything comprehensible. On the rare occasions when he does, we can see why he'd rather not.

They weren't worried about the Soviets being able to figure out they weren't on the moon by tracking radio signals and finding out there weren't any, but one single laser could have blown apart the whole conspiracy.

Lasers... is there anything they can't do?

Dave

I love how these conspiracies are able to fool most of the world, yet they are always incredibly easy to "uncover".

Originally Posted by Marokkaan

Originally Posted by beachnut

The questions were stupid. You have no point. When you answer my questions you will see some irony in UBL's statement/translation, or not. Good luck, you picked Kevin Ryan, he has the same evidence you have, zero.

How will you tie this UBL tripe to WTC 7 and Kevin Ryan's delusions on 911? Can you make a point?

ofcourse.

And there you are, ladies and gentlemen.

25th August 2011, 10:40 AM	#161
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 21,894	Originally Posted by Dave Rogers Patrick1000 seems to have stayed out of the running so far by never saying anything comprehensible. On the rare occasions when he does, we can see why he'd rather not. Ahem. I even made a comic for it!
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26th August 2011, 04:03 AM	#162
MetalPig Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Juicing the piglet since 1989 Posts: 2,003	Originally Posted by Travis I think it's curious they didn't spell it Ammonia. No, Ammonia is memory loss.
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26th August 2011, 10:31 AM	#165
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,236	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Worse, he thinks the software developers are 'in on it' We'll, that's where he's wrong. We pay them guys BIG money to do what they do. If they're not, we'll just send the Kitty over there.......
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26th August 2011, 11:30 AM	#166
muzungu100 Student Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 30	Originally Posted by MetalPig No, Ammonia is memory loss. Ammonia, Nammonia, Namonya...we've nailed it! What was it about again?
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26th August 2011, 02:32 PM	#167
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 17,956	Originally Posted by MetalPig No, Ammonia is memory loss. You're thinking of Old Timers Disease.
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26th August 2011, 08:05 AM	#163
matt.tansy Muse Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Groton, CT Posts: 802	A planetarium program doesn't match what he thinks the Earth should look like therefore the Moon landings were hoaxed. Originally Posted by Patrick1000 http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...7807abe282.png Not the best quality shot. Try this if you have the software, Look for the Earth in the lunar sky on the evening of the Apollo 11 landing. I had to use the program's search function to find the Earth. It is roughly a magnitude -15 or 16 celestial object. the Earth should be way way way brighter than the stars. What is going on? Is this an innocent oversight to not have the earths it should appear. for the most part this software is great.

26th August 2011, 08:19 AM	#164
Captain_Swoop Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 3,948	Worse, he thinks the software developers are 'in on it'

27th August 2011, 12:18 AM	#168
sylvan8798 Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,509	NASA does an animation illustrating recent data where a black hole draws in a stray star. Comments abound on the Huffpost article. One of the brighter bulbs, upon being asked what it is that HE has done with his superior intelligence (as opposed to chasing stars): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...ec1_lnk3\|89642 Quote: Sought my own answers to questions that the current model just does not handle to my satisfaction, as they rely too heavily on things that are unseen but must be believed, nonetheless. "Science" has become more of a faith-based affair in the recent decades, having been given over to the mathematicians who are allowed to describe imaginary worlds. I remember the first time I heard of "imaginary numbers" in high school, I thought, "What kind of crap is that?" Turns out that math is not required to describe actual physical reality, a danger since it is relied upon so heavily to describe the Cosmos. We have mistaken mathematical reality for physical reality Just because a math equation says that it is so does not mean that it either physically possible or real, especially when that math equation effectively has infinity on one side of it. Damn mathematicians. I always knew they were trouble.
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27th August 2011, 10:08 AM	#169
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,236	In a thread talking about FEMA et al. getting blueprints from the building owners in NYC, I asked TMD if they were ever denied access to blueprints. Originally Posted by triforcharity So, did they get the blueprints? Yes or no? I had shown that FEMA et al. had in fact gotten the blueprints, but after being delayed for legal reasons. And TMD adds this gem. Originally Posted by tmd2_1 First of all BPAT did not get access, the documents were given to them. So, they didn't get access to documents that were given to them. How is that possible?
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27th August 2011, 12:51 PM	#170
matt.tansy Muse Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Groton, CT Posts: 802	Originally Posted by triforcharity So, they didn't get access to documents that were given to them. How is that possible? Simple! They put the blueprints inside Dan Brown's Cryptex!

27th August 2011, 11:58 PM	#171
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 17,956	Now that is funny.
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28th August 2011, 07:37 AM	#172
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,236	Awesome!!!
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28th August 2011, 07:44 AM	#173
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,791	Truther definition of neutral by marokkan First of all, if you were neutral and openminded, you could say:" ohh, about the det cord marokkaan maybe you are right. So maybe i really dont have the knowledge to talk about controlled demolition" http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...&postcount=551 If you agree with me you're open minded.

28th August 2011, 09:34 AM	#174
Klimax NWO cyborg (3930K inside) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Starship Wanderer - DS9 Posts: 7,897	Originally Posted by tsig First of all, if you were neutral and openminded, you could say:" ohh, about the det cord marokkaan maybe you are right. So maybe i really dont have the knowledge to talk about controlled demolition" http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...&postcount=551 If you agree with me you're open minded. This is bad...
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28th August 2011, 12:40 PM	#175
carlitos "más divertido" Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 11,549	Posted on the day a hurricane landed in New York City: Originally Posted by Clayton Moore Subway systems will shut down Philadelphia and NYC? HUH? Why?

28th August 2011, 08:48 PM	#176
LordXenu Critical Thinker Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 327	This isn't a stundie for what it says exactly, but for what it represents: http://www.henrymakow.com/lyme_disea...ck_that_a.html Quote: The incidence of Lyme Disease has DOUBLED since 1991. Let's say that we've got 500,000 cases a year for 20 years, since Lyme is under-reported and under-diagnosed. That means we're talking at least 10 million cases in the USA alone. Conspiracy theorists think that they can get away with making up their own facts.
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28th August 2011, 10:11 PM	#177
TSR Do you know what this notorious criminal did? Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 4,788	. CM is like, hip to the lingo, ah'ight? Sleet kills, f'sherzle: . Originally Posted by Clayton Moore Talk about being pawned and gaspingly grasping at straws. . Word to ya mommy. .
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29th August 2011, 11:43 AM	#178
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,791	Originally Posted by TSR . CM is like, hip to the lingo, ah'ight? Sleet kills, f'sherzle: . . Word to ya mommy. . His limited vocabulary seems limited to words that limit his meaning to the limit he wants it limited.

29th August 2011, 01:29 PM	#179
ApolloGnomon Aluminum Tripod Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Time Zone Zed Zed Plural Zed Alpha Posts: 1,906	Quote: My point plays out the same way, regardless of the story's authenticity, or how its inauthenticity may be accounted for http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...postcount=1613 Patrick1000, on the story that CAPCOM reporting Lick Observatory targeting the LRRR on the 20th, whether true or not, still stands.
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29th August 2011, 04:05 PM	#180
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9,434	Marokkaan is really trying to sew up the award before the month ends. There are many to choose from in this particular thread but I'll just throw out two lines from THIS POST Originally Posted by Marokkaan But you have truthers, who dont care about the conspiracies but care about the truth and science. Followed by... Quote: Since when, is taking the theory controlled demolition serious, believing in a conspiracy? Maybe al qaida did the controlled demolition. We dont know, we just look to the science not who did it. Again that's just starting off point. He provides a whole treasure trove of nomination material to choose from in that thread.
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30th August 2011, 07:11 AM	#181
Disbelief Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,272	Someone posted this on their FB wall about the FB security policy (bolding mine): Originally Posted by Ryan they did this one intentionally so that people give them more information which they sell to intelligence agencies and businesses.
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30th August 2011, 01:08 PM	#182
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,791	Free fall means free of energy Falling objects cannot damage anything as Maorkkan explains: It is a violation of the principle of conversation of energy, there was no gravitational energy left to break the building apart as it fell, it went all to freefall, so there needs to be another different energy. http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...&postcount=639 ETA: Here's another one in the same post: Architects and the most engineers do not have the expertise of physics, dont lie to me please. I had an expertise once but it got out if it's cage and ran away.
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30th August 2011, 03:05 PM	#183
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Quarky squeaks in right under the wire and swings for the fences: Originally Posted by quarky Sure seems like it. Tidal power is extra bizarre. Its not solar, like other hydro-power. Putting resistance on it might even affect the moon's orbit. Very little, I'm sure.

30th August 2011, 04:22 PM	#184
Cl1mh4224rd Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 6,618	Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth Quarky squeaks in right under the wire and swings for the fences: Solar water! Careful... it's hot!

30th August 2011, 04:53 PM	#185
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	The energy that drives hydrologic cycle on Earth comes from the sun. He was right about that. It's the claim that exploiting tidal power can affect the orbit of the Moon is where he takes a hard left turn into cuckoo-land.
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30th August 2011, 06:03 PM	#186
Myron Proudfoot Muse Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Washington DC area. Posts: 957	Originally Posted by matt.tansy Simple! They put the blueprints inside Dan Brown's Cryptex! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...tex01wiki1.jpg Is that a sex toy? That would explain the Mona Lisa's little smile wouldn't it...
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30th August 2011, 06:42 PM	#187
matt.tansy Muse Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Groton, CT Posts: 802	Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth The energy that drives hydrologic cycle on Earth comes from the sun. He was right about that. It's the claim that exploiting tidal power can affect the orbit of the Moon is where he takes a hard left turn into cuckoo-land. The rotation rate of the Earth affects the distance of the Moon. If the tides are altered it will affect the Earth's rotation rate which will affect the distance to the Moon. Tidal acceleration

30th August 2011, 06:49 PM	#188
W.D.Clinger Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,442	Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth The energy that drives hydrologic cycle on Earth comes from the sun. He was right about that. It's the claim that exploiting tidal power can affect the orbit of the Moon is where he takes a hard left turn into cuckoo-land. Why so? It sounds like standard physics to me. To simplify his argument a little, exploitation of tidal power would change the time-varying distribution of oceanic mass on earth, which would likely result in some small perturbation in the orbit of the moon. As he acknowledged, the effect would be "very little". I also fail to see the connection to a conspiracy theory, but I haven't checked the context. ETA: While I was composing this, matt.tansy gave an even simpler explanation.
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30th August 2011, 07:33 PM	#189
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 17,956	But would human intervention affect the Moon in any way that would be substantial enough to cause worry?
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30th August 2011, 07:40 PM	#190
matt.tansy Muse Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Groton, CT Posts: 802	Originally Posted by Travis But would human intervention affect the Moon in any way that would be substantial enough to cause worry? Nah. If we could extract a gajaliionwatt·hours per year out of tidal power it would move the Moon about half a nanometer out.

30th August 2011, 07:59 PM	#191
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Deleted, re-reading matt.tansy's link
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30th August 2011, 09:26 PM	#192
EventHorizon Atheist Tergiversator Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,849	Originally Posted by Marokkaan Architects and the most engineers do not have the expertise of physics, dont lie to me please. I guess he's right if by engineers he means people who drive trains.
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31st August 2011, 03:11 AM	#193
Sam.I.Am Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hunting Moose and Squirrel Posts: 4,154	Originally Posted by EventHorizon I guess he's right if by engineers he means people who drive trains. I'm quite sure that train engineers have a very good innate sense of physics in action. If not they wouldn't remain in that job for very long.
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31st August 2011, 04:28 AM	#194
excaza Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Boston Posts: 3,632	Originally Posted by Sam.I.Am I'm quite sure that train engineers have a very good innate sense of physics in action. If not they wouldn't remain in that job for very long. I guess they could just text their physics major friend if they ever had a question while on the job.
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31st August 2011, 04:58 AM	#195
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 21,894	Originally Posted by excaza I guess they could just text their physics major friend if they ever had a question while on the job. "Yes, if you run out of track before you run out of velocity, you're in trouble!"
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