Merged: Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

[Patrick1000]

Originally Posted by matt.tansy

Only if you flip 2000 years of philosophy on its head and reverse modus tollens.

You said he got it from the DSKY!!! Drop out of school. You'd make a great stand up comedian.

Unless someone at NASA got on a phone and told somebody. Hey, that's what happened!

Did you just miss the fact that you just wrote the coordinates were displayed on the DSKY? You guarantee us one laugh per sentence.
That would be the Labor Day school break.

Hey! Add the footnote (a) corrections to the PGNCS position (you know, the position displayed on the DSKY?) and see what you get.

Look at footnote C Matt, it says and I quote;

"THESE COORDINATE VALUES ARE REFERENCED TO THE MAP AND INCLUDE THE CORRECTION FACTORS."

I'll repeat that for you Matt, "AND INCLUDE THE CORRECTION FACTORS".

So per NASA's own document, the Mission Report Section 5, Table iV, "THE LUNAR LANDING COORDINATES" every set of coordinates is not the same Matt; the PNGS, AGS, flight processor, AOT , rendezvous radar, accelerometer RECONSTRUCTION!, photography. All different and PER FOOTNOTE C ALL INCLUDE ALREADY THE CORRECTION FACTORS. As should be obvious Matt because the east coordinates are close to 23 26 00. If you corrected those, you'd be way off east-west wise. Please check with your colleagues on this.

So Matt, the numbers don't match up. AND somebody told Agnus Macpherson that 00 41 15 north and 23 26 00 east was in the DSKY display. Now as far as I am concerned , its fake, nothing is in the display, the whole thing is bogus. But somebody told Macpherson this story so this honest journalist would report THESE SCRIPTED COORDINATES! WERE IN ARMSTRONG'S DSKY WINDOWS.

Again Matt, check your Mission report, footnote C, the corrections are already there and if you did "correct" you'd throw the east -west coordinates off, which are close as they appear. The lunar module targeted numbers do not apply. We are talking about realized coordinate calculations, not what the LM targeted.

So Matt, the numbers, where did they come from? Feel free to help him out RAF.

[ApolloGnomon]

A noob like this bragging about debating the Great Jay Utah (who spent most of the last year not posting) . . .

Somethin' don't add up.

[drewid]

Dunning-kruger

[Rincewind]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

Matt, the point stands and as all can see it is a good one! Armstrong has the coordinates outside of the context of their "official Apollo 11 Mission " calculation, by any means!

Possession of the numbers outside of NASA's recognized Apollo 11 Mission context amounts to foreknowledge. To know the coordinates before they are calculated is commensurate with no other explanation than FRAUD.

You would do well to give this one a shot Matt. In all seriousness, give it a try really.

Thanks for your challenges over the last 2 weeks. Hope to see a good answer from you when I get to Europe.

Otherwise, until Sept. best to you, Pat

Just like many other here, I'd like to see you back up your claims with facts...

Oh - and since when has India been in Europe?

[Hans]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

You are looking mighty foolish Patrick1000

Fixed that forya

Well since you missed the plane do you have a good crab salad recipe?

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Oh - and since when has India been in Europe?

Why allow facts to enter into his made up stuff universe?

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Now as far as I am concerned , its fake, nothing is in the display, the whole thing is bogus.

How do you explain them being at that location on the Moon then? You keep seeming to forget that - and only a complete [insert description] would do so, LOL

[Patrick1000]

addendum, not "way" off . That was too strong. But for example, for the first east coordinate 23.46, if you convert this to the "minutes and seconds of arc form", you get 23 27' 36". So fairly close to begin with, but most definitely not 23 26' 00". Now if you subtract the correction factor, 4' 17", you get 23 23' 19" which pushes the east coordinate farther away from 23 26' 00' than it was to begin with and this is true for some of the other figures AND it is not applicable because the correction factor is included AS EXPLICITLY STATED.

So Matt, let's phrase the question a different way. Who told this insanely bogus story to the journalist Agnus Macpherson about the coordinates in the DSKY? If I rephrase the question, does that make it easier to answer?

Help him out RAF!

[Hans]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

Help him out RAF!

Sure the LM was on the Moon and you're still talking nonsense - yep it is that simple.

Aren't you going to continue to lie about going off on a plane?

[matt.tansy]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

Look at footnote C Matt, it says and I quote;

"THESE COORDINATE VALUES ARE REFERENCED TO THE MAP AND INCLUDE THE CORRECTION FACTORS."

I'll repeat that for you Matt, "AND INCLUDE THE CORRECTION FACTORS".

So per NASA's own document, the Mission Report Section 5, Table iV, "THE LUNAR LANDING COORDINATES" every set of coordinates is not the same Matt; the PNGS, AGS, flight processor, AOT , rendezvous radar, accelerometer RECONSTRUCTION!, photography. All different and PER FOOTNOTE C ALL INCLUDE ALREADY THE CORRECTION FACTORS.

Still lying about the correction factors again, I see. Footnote (c) is clearly next to, and only next to, the "photography" position for the degree-minutes-seconds position. The photography position given in degrees and decimal degrees, when converted to degrees-minutes-seconds, do not match the position given in degrees-minutes-seconds so therefore are referenced to the trajectory coordinate system. If the reconstructed accelerometer position has the map corrections applied it matches the position given to Lick.

[Patrick1000]

Originally Posted by Rincewind

Just like many other here, I'd like to see you back up your claims with facts...

Oh - and since when has India been in Europe?

India via Europe, flight delayed, this is fun.

Try my challenge big mouth, let's see you come up with an explanation as to why Neil Armstrong and the people at Lick Observatory have the Tranquility Base coordinates before they are calculated by the Mission Control people. AND per Armstrong's numerous personal accounts, he knows the coordinates not, the whole time he is on the surface of the moon.

I claim that to be a fact and have provided ample support with excellent references, some from NASA's own MISSION REPORT.

So smarty pants, I like my facts. Let's see yours.

Good luck, Matt could use some help, see my post to him above.

[SezMe]

Deleted .... too much snark.

[Hans]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

India via Europe, flight delayed, this is fun.

Try my challenge big mouth, let's see you come up with an explanation as to why Neil Armstrong and the people at Lick Observatory have the Tranquility Base coordinates before they are calculated by the Mission Control people. AND per Armstrong's numerous personal accounts, he knows the coordinates not, the whole time he is on the surface of the moon.

I claim that to be a fact and have provided ample support with excellent references, some from NASA's own MISSION REPORT.

So smarty pants, I like my facts. Let's see yours.

Good luck, Matt could use some help, see my post to him above.

But the LM was on the Moon so all in all who cares what your addled brain squirrels keep telling you to say? You do realize its just nonsense you keep repeating.

Why are you still lying about going on a plane? Is lying so engrained in your posting style that you must add lies to everything you post?

Do you prefer green or yellow onions in your crab salad?

[Patrick1000]

Originally Posted by matt.tansy

Still lying about the correction factors again, I see. Footnote (c) is clearly next to, and only next to, the "photography" position for the degree-minutes-seconds position. The photography position given in degrees and decimal degrees, when converted to degrees-minutes-seconds, do not match the position given in degrees-minutes-seconds so therefore are referenced to the trajectory coordinate system. If the reconstructed accelerometer position has the map corrections applied it matches the position given to Lick.

http://i.imgur.com/hQS6Y.png

First of all, my point stands about using the correction factors on all of the other east coordinates. In no case does it give you 23 26' 00". AND my dear friend , I am so very glad that you brought this up because it gives an excellent example of how these clowns play loose and fast with the numbers to dupe us.

So according to Matt and NASA's Mission Report, the photography determined coordinates, once converted to the "minutes and seconds of arc" form will yield 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00" E once we complete the calculation with the appropriate correction factors. For the north coordinate 0.647 we have the equivalent 00 38' 49" and to that we add 2' 25" and obtain 00 41 14". Now in the east coordinate case we have 23.505, which converts to 23 30' 18. We subtract 4' 17" and obtain 23 26' 01". Indeed close, but very much not 00 41 15 and closer still but not 23 26 01. AND here is one case where EXACT coordinates do matter because as we have see, the staff at Lick Observatory was given the north coordinate 00 41' 15" not 00 41' 14" and somebody told the Flight International Journalist that 00 41 15 north was in Armstrong's DSKY AND IN THIS CASE YES IT DOES NATTER THAT THE NUMBERS DO NOT MATCH EXACTLY FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, THOSE BEING , 00 41 15 IS INDDED THE EXACT COORDINATE OF TRANQUILITY BASE AND EVEN WITH ALL THIS BOGUS JIVE NASA DOESN'T SHOW WHERE THE NUMBER COMES FROM. AND THE FIDO ON DUTY EXPLICITLY STATES THAT ALL OF THESE NUMBERS IN THE MISSION REPORT , EXCEPT FOR HIS OWN OF COURSE ARE NOT WITHIN 5 MILES OF HIS CALCULATION, 0.636 NORTH AND 23.50 EAST WHICH ARE THE COORDINATES THE OFFICIAL NARRATIVE SAYS WERE EMPLOYED FOR THE LAUNCH TRAJECTORY CALCULATION.

So anyway you splice , dice, or NASA cooks its books, one never comes up with a north coordinate of 00 41 15 and we have plenty of evidence by way of NASA's own launch trajectory specialist David Reed's testimony that ALL OF THESE NUMBERS APPEARING IN THE MISSION REPORT ARE FRAUDULENT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THOSE FOR THE RENDEZVOUS RADAR WHICH WAS REED'S OWN METHOD OF CALCULATION.

So the point stands. Where did the phony numbers come from Matt. Show me how to get 00 41 15 north from any of this jive. I triple space dog dare ya' to come up with an reasonable explanation outside of FRAUD!

[Redtail]

Pat, the question was when (what time) did lick get the coordinates. As in 0400. See? That is a time.

So, what time did lick get the coordinates & what were the coordinates?

[ApolloGnomon]

Green, for sure. Love 'em.

When I have a kid in my kitchen helping cook, and they get to cut green onions, that child is known as the "scallion scullion."

Anyway, I'm glad patrick is continuing to maintain a good sense of humor despite missing his flight to India and having to go the long way around and get there via Europe. I can admire a 54 year old medical doctor who still uses "triple dog dare." I don't care who ya are, that's just funny.

[Hans]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

delete a word salad

The LM is still sitting up there on the Moon, Patrick1000, how do you explain that?

Do you think celery should be added to a crab salad? Or is it too crunchy?

Why have you stopped lying about the plane? It was the best part of your mind mumbling

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Green, for sure. Love 'em.

Yes AG you are true man of the salad

[Patrick1000]

Last point, this bogus photo method hardly applies as we are talking about coordinates in the DSKY after just touching down and the coordinates given to the Lick Observatory staff well before photo analysis was complete. Indeed , as well referenced above, Donald Beattie commented in his very good book, TAKING SCIENCE TO THE MOON", that the photo analysis was not complete until after the astronauts returned to earth. Again I quote with respect to the photo analysis issue from Beattie's book;

"This latter operation was not as easy as we expected, since the exact location of the landing site was not immediately known. Mike Collins had attempted unsuccessfully to locate the LM from orbit using the command module sextant. After analyzing the flight data and the RETURNED photographs, we passed our best estimate to the LRRR PIs, and the LRRR was found on August 1, 1969, by the Lick Observatory in California."

Donald A. Beattie. Taking Science to the Moon: Lunar Experiments and the Apollo Program (ebook Locations 2912-2915). I capitalized "RETURNED"

So the photo determined method does not even apply here Matt. It was complete after the astronauts returned AND the launch trajectory specialist says per his own account none of the numbers in that Mission Report were within 5 miles of his. I believe Reed as he had no reason to lie. his testimony is supported by the numerous claims, well documented, of a lack of precise knowledge with respect to the astronauts location while they were on the surface of the moon.


So you still have a problem because per NASA's own account, the photo data was not available until after the astronauts returned and so is not available to you Matt as an answer.

[Hans]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

So you still have a problem because per NASA's own account, the photo data was not available until after the astronauts returned

Returned from WHERE Patrick1000 with photos of WHAT Patrick1000? - have you forgotten what the squirrels in your head told you - the astronauts didn't go to the Moon (have you forgotten) and why would, in the squirrels world, 'faked' Moon photographs allow them to find the location they have told you they [evil NASA] already knew?

How again do you explain all those Apollo LMs sitting on the moon?

Why again are you going on about this?

Mustard in the salad, a touch perhaps, yellow or brown?

Oh and what happened to the plane trip - could you tell us the flight number so we can watch the delay? Its always fun to play with the minds of people making stuff up.

[Patrick1000]

Please note again for emphasis Matt, I'll capitalize the relevant phrase by Beattie, one of the key Apollo Lunar Scientists;

"This latter operation was not as easy as we expected, SINCE THE EXACT LOCATION OF THE LANDING SITE WAS NOT IMMEDIATELY KNOWN. Mike Collins had attempted unsuccessfully to locate the LM from orbit using the command module sextant. After analyzing the flight data and the RETURNED photographs, we passed our best estimate to the LRRR PIs, and the LRRR was found on August 1, 1969, by the Lick Observatory in California."

I hope that lays to rest any nonsense that they "found/determined" 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00" east by way of examining photographs while the astronauts were on the surface of the moon, or pretending to be anyway.

Donald A. Beattie. Taking Science to the Moon: Lunar Experiments and the Apollo Program (ebook Locations 2912-2915). I capitalized "RETURNED"

[Patrick1000]

Originally Posted by Hans

Returned from WHERE Patrick1000 with photos of WHAT Patrick1000? - have you forgotten what the squirrels in your head told you - the astronauts didn't go to the Moon (have you forgotten) and why would, in the squirrels world, 'faked' Moon photographs allow them to find the location they have told you they [evil NASA] already knew?

How again do you explain all those Apollo LMs sitting on the moon?

Why again are you going on about this?

Mustard in the salad, a touch perhaps, yellow or brown?

Oh and what happened to the plane trip - could you tell us the flight number so we can watch the delay? Its always fun to play with the minds of people making stuff up.

If I show there was foreknowledge of the Eagle's landing site, FRAUD is a given and we can puzzle out the what about this and that later. If I prove foreknowledge, I have proven FRAUD. That is the beauty of this. It is a deadly approach to this problem because foreknowledge equates with the rocks not having been collected by Armstrong. It equates with a proof that the pictures are bogus. If I prove foreknowledge, you cannot take that away from me, nor take away every other thing which it implies, and it indirectly , though most definitely proves FRAUD. If there is foreknowledge of the Eagle's landing site, the Apollo 11 Mission must be phony for knowing those numbers is otherwise impossible.

[drewid]

That plane is really late now. I hope you get some sort of discount.

[SezMe]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

India via Europe, flight delayed, this is fun.

Airline and Flight Number please.

[Redtail]

C'mon pat! You went on & on about your 4 question challenge & now you are dodging just 2!

[Hans]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

If I show there was foreknowledge of the Eagle's landing site, FRAUD is a given and we can puzzle out the what about this and that later. If I prove foreknowledge, I have proven FRAUD. That is the beauty of this. It is a deadly approach to this problem because foreknowledge equates with the rocks not having been collected by Armstrong. It equates with a proof that the pictures are bogus. If I prove foreknowledge, you cannot take that away from me, nor take away every other thing which it implies, and it indirectly , though most definitely proves FRAUD. If there is foreknowledge of the Eagle's landing site, the Apollo 11 Mission must be phony for knowing those numbers is otherwise impossible.

Yet they went there. Of course they had 'foreknowledge' they planned to land at certain point. You've proved you're a nut actually. The beauty of it is that you've wasted a portion of your life trying to twist trivia into disproving something that actually happened by focusing on something that won't disprove it.

Are you saying that NASA had no idea where they were trying to land? LOL

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you cannot take that away from me

Taken away and stomped on while you watch, twice. I invite others to stomp on it too.

To more important things

What sort of pepper do you use in the salad, white or black?

Oh and please continue to lie about the plane - I mean it always helps to lie- doesn't it?

[ApolloGnomon]

If the recipe is for "crab" salad, then yellow mustard, but if it's for "krab" salad then I'd use brown mustard and a touch (just a touch!) of horseradish.

But that's just me.

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If I show there was foreknowledge of the Eagle's landing site, FRAUD is a given and we can puzzle out the what about this and that later.

Well, so far you've successfully failed to prove there was actual foreknowledge. Congratulations would have been in order. But without proof that the coordinates of the actual landing site were actually provided on the actual night of landing at a time actually before the landing happened, then I'm not convinced.

But that's just me.

[Redtail]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

If I show there was foreknowledge of the Eagle's landing site, FRAUD is a given and we can puzzle out the what about this and that later. If I prove foreknowledge, I have proven FRAUD. That is the beauty of this. It is a deadly approach to this problem because foreknowledge equates with the rocks not having been collected by Armstrong. It equates with a proof that the pictures are bogus. If I prove foreknowledge, you cannot take that away from me, nor take away every other thing which it implies, and it indirectly , though most definitely proves FRAUD. If there is foreknowledge of the Eagle's landing site, the Apollo 11 Mission must be phony for knowing those numbers is otherwise impossible.

So now NASA & Armstrong had no idea where they were going to land?

[Hans]

Originally Posted by Redtail

So now NASA & Armstrong had no idea where they were going to land?

yep that seems to be his point, all those recce photos and years of work taking into considering myriad of details were a complete waste of time and the astronauts just put her down where-ever.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Originally Posted by drewid

That plane is really late now. I hope you get some sort of discount.

I'm also curious about the apparent inability to post here while he's in India, yet being able to post during his layover in Europe. I'm pretty sure India has Internet access and cyber cafés. I'm also pretty sure that if he won't have time to access the Internet over there due to his work, and because of his prolific posting over here, then he must not be working currently.

[tsig]

Originally Posted by phunk

Miss your flight?

I'm sure they're holding it just for him.

They have to he's the pilot.

[EventHorizon]

Well, if the pilots of his plane know where they are landing before they actually do it then his flight is a fraud.

[tsig]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

Last point, this bogus photo method hardly applies as we are talking about coordinates in the DSKY after just touching down and the coordinates given to the Lick Observatory staff well before photo analysis was complete. Indeed , as well referenced above, Donald Beattie commented in his very good book, TAKING SCIENCE TO THE MOON", that the photo analysis was not complete until after the astronauts returned to earth. Again I quote with respect to the photo analysis issue from Beattie's book;

"This latter operation was not as easy as we expected, since the exact location of the landing site was not immediately known. Mike Collins had attempted unsuccessfully to locate the LM from orbit using the command module sextant. After analyzing the flight data and the RETURNED photographs, we passed our best estimate to the LRRR PIs, and the LRRR was found on August 1, 1969, by the Lick Observatory in California."

Donald A. Beattie. Taking Science to the Moon: Lunar Experiments and the Apollo Program (ebook Locations 2912-2915). I capitalized "RETURNED"

So the photo determined method does not even apply here Matt. It was complete after the astronauts returned AND the launch trajectory specialist says per his own account none of the numbers in that Mission Report were within 5 miles of his. I believe Reed as he had no reason to lie. his testimony is supported by the numerous claims, well documented, of a lack of precise knowledge with respect to the astronauts location while they were on the surface of the moon.


So you still have a problem because per NASA's own account, the photo data was not available until after the astronauts returned and so is not available to you Matt as an answer.

The plane! The plane!

[tsig]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

If I show there was foreknowledge of the Eagle's landing site, FRAUD is a given and we can puzzle out the what about this and that later. If I prove foreknowledge, I have proven FRAUD. That is the beauty of this. It is a deadly approach to this problem because foreknowledge equates with the rocks not having been collected by Armstrong. It equates with a proof that the pictures are bogus. If I prove foreknowledge, you cannot take that away from me, nor take away every other thing which it implies, and it indirectly , though most definitely proves FRAUD. If there is foreknowledge of the Eagle's landing site, the Apollo 11 Mission must be phony for knowing those numbers is otherwise impossible.

If it was all scripted then why would everybody know the coordinates?

[nomuse]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

OH Red tail, you'll make me late for my flight. But since you insist. Why don't I make things less complicated for you guys, kiwi was going to fly out of town and interview Remington Stone to see if he had Alzheimers? This will save you the trip kiwi.

Please review Flight international Magazine from 21 August 1969, the article is THE EAGLE'S ROOST by Angus MacPherson, page 302 halfway down;

"The last reading given on the Eagle DSKY(display keyboard) before touchdown was Lat 0 41' 15" N and Long 23 26' 00 " E. This compared with the centre of the landing ellipse of Site 2 (12.2 miles long by 3.1 miles wide) at 00 42' 50" N; 23 42' 28" E. Finally cleared up by lunar scientists pinpointing from the film of the descent which Apollo 11 brought back, it is now given a lunar map reference of 520m west and 115m north of the centre of West Crater."

And you fellas thought I was bluffing. AND I got more. Would seem we got a report here of Armstrong with the coordinates well before Michael Collins started his bogus little sextant charade, well before poor FIDO David Reed started in with his difficult morning , what about 18 hours after this? Why didn't Armstrong just give the coordinates to Reed, would have saved the poor sap a lot of time?

My oh my, how they do do lie, and all the important people Macpherson talked to in researching for this article. I am sure Angus Macpherson didn't make this up. Wonder what NASA source fed him that bit CONFIRMING FOREKNOWLEDGE OF THE LANDING COORDINATES?

You boys better hope I am going out of town, keeps your bogus little Apollo story afloat for a tad more, though I suspect, this little factoid here might be enough to topple things. Wouldn't ya' say? Pretty dang incriminating ain't it? Feel free to say UNCLE! any time, and last of all, never knew "fattydash" to write like this. That said, might not be a bad idea for you guys to go run off and cry to JAY UTAH and tell him how fattydash or Jarrah White or whoever I am is beating up on you.

My curry awaits. BYE!!!!!!

Note the bolded part. I do not believe you understand what it means.

[nomuse]

Originally Posted by drewid

That plane is really late now. I hope you get some sort of discount.

I don't know the flight number but I can guess at the name of the airline. It's "Unable-to-register-a-new-identity-with-this-forum-at-the-current-time Airlines."

[Patrick1000]

GUESS WHO????!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Knew you kids would be happy to hear from me one more time. I won't bore you with the details, but almost had to stay another day and not leave 'til tomorrow, but that's all changed. DANG!!!

Still thought , what the who?, may as well drop another one on my ol' buddie RAF cuz' he never gets beaten up you know. Ya' post him and then nothing more happens than rocket fuel exhaust comes blasting out of his earballs. You can smell it all the way over here in my parts. Matter of fact, that's how I know RAF got my post, ya' can smell the rocket smoke. Pretty cool eh?!

Since Matt spent so much time on the coordinate thing, really did , want to applaud that, would like to share a couple other juicy little morsels floating about in Apollo 11's fetid cislunar realm.

Check this out Matt, from the voice transcript;

Time: 14 16 34 06

CC This is Houston. Go ahead. Over.

CMP Roger. I can't see them. (COLUMBIA)

CC Roger. I guess that takes care of the news for today, Mike.

CMP All right. Roger. (COLUMBIA)

CC /You might be interested in knowing, Mike, that we have gotten reflections back from the laser reflector ray they deployed, and we may be able to get some information out of that a little later.

CMP Roger. I need a very precise position, because (COLUMBIA) I can only do a decent job of scanning maybe one
of those grid squares at a time. The area that we've been sweeping covers 10's and 20's and 30's
of them.

CC Roger. We understand. This is intended to be
your last P22. We don't want to use up too much fuel in this effort. Over.

CMP Roger. How's the fuel coming (COLUMBIA)

CC Roger. There's no problem fuel-wise. It's Just that there seems to be a limit to the number of
P22's and the number of grid squares you can search over.

Boy, they got the laser thing working there, you'd think they'd tell Collins where it is; 00 41 15 north and 23 26 00 east. I mean it's not like you gotta' hide it from the guy. Or if they're using other coordinates for the LRRR, why don't they spit those out. Hmmmmmmmmmm something is rotten in cislunar space.

Here's another good one Matt, from a little later on in the flight. Would seem they got off the moon and they still don't know where they are.

Time 06 07 33 52
CDR Go ahead.

CC Go ahead, Houston.
CC Roger. For 64 thousand dollars, we're still trying to work out the location of your landing site, Tranquility Base. We think it is located on LAM-2 chart at Juliet 0.5 and 7.8. Do you still have those charts on board? Over.
CDR Yes. Stand by one. They're packed.
CC Roger. You may not have to unpack it. The position which I just gave you is slightly west of West Crater. I guess it's about two-tenths
of a kilometer west of it, and we were wondering if Neil or Buzz had observed any additional land- marks during descent, lunar stay, or ascent which would confirm or disprove this. One thing that we're wondering about is that if you were at this position, you would have seen the Cat's Paw during ascent just up to the north of your track. Over.
CDR We were looking for the Cat's Paw, too, thinking we were probably downrange, beyond the Big V.
But I think that it's likely that that might have been West Crater that we went across in landing, but - Stand by.
CDR We're hoping, Bruce, that our 16-mm film was working at that point in descent, and we'll be able to confirm our touchdown position. We thought that during ascent we might be able to pick up some recognizable objects close to the landing site, and we did see a number of small craters, and crater rows, and things like that, which we may be able to pick out after the fact, but we haven't been able to yet.

And here Matt went to all that trouble to try and prove when the brothers bogus were on the moon the exact coordinates were known. Here our boys are long long after their lunar jaunt, and still the location is the "64 thousand dollar question". More like the $130,000,000,000 question, wasn't that what my ma' paid for this bad film? Rip off!
And lookie lookie lookie lookie here, all those fancy numbers in the Mission report, so close to one another, ostensibly so accurate. Where'd they get those from , if they got any of them in real time with the exception of Reed and his rendezvous radar? That was straight up, but given what's going on here with our "64,000" errrrr , I mean "$130,000,000,000 question", looks like those numbers in the Mission Report were made up now weren't they? You know, made up after the bogus brothers splashed down in a bath tub some where on Waikiki.

Boy is this interesting.

There it is , I smell that rocket smoke , coming right out of RAF's earballs.

Too bad I won't have access to this in Delhi. I do declare, today has been the finest day of my HB career. I believe I have those "Apollo Truthers" on the run.

Burden of proof falls to you fellas now. I want to see good book reports when I get back. Prove me wrong about the foreknowledge business. Rocks don't count. Foreknowledge is FRAUD baby, we'll deal with the rock after the house of cards caves.


Zoom zoom zoom, I'm off!

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I can't be the only one to have noticed a very obvious decline in Patrick1000's maturity, spelling, grammar, and post formatting. Is this how his comedic meltdowns start?

[Patrick1000]

Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd

I can't be the only one to have noticed a very obvious decline in Patrick1000's maturity, spelling, grammar, and post formatting. Is this how his comedic meltdowns start?

Admittedly the jokes are bad, but the analysis is KILLER KILLER KILLER! Check the points bro., ignore the dumb jokes. Any response to the points, the laser is working? Still LOST in space coming home? what about the Mission Report? Best, sorry, the jokes were dumb, best I could do late in the day and heading out. PAt

[Hans]

Still we have the LM on the Moon while you're lying about going to Delhi.

In the crab salad how much lemon juice? TBSP or just a wise squeeze of a good sized one

[Redtail]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

GUESS WHO????!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Knew you kids would be happy to hear from me one more time. I won't bore you with the details, but almost had to stay another day and not leave 'til tomorrow, but that's all changed. DANG!!!

Still thought , what the who?, may as well drop another one on my ol' buddie RAF cuz' he never gets beaten up you know. Ya' post him and then nothing more happens than rocket fuel exhaust comes blasting out of his earballs. You can smell it all the way over here in my parts. Matter of fact, that's how I know RAF got my post, ya' can smell the rocket smoke. Pretty cool eh?!

Since Matt spent so much time on the coordinate thing, really did , want to applaud that, would like to share a couple other juicy little morsels floating about in Apollo 11's fetid cislunar realm.

Check this out Matt, from the voice transcript;

Time: 14 16 34 06

CC This is Houston. Go ahead. Over.

CMP Roger. I can't see them. (COLUMBIA)

CC Roger. I guess that takes care of the news for today, Mike.

CMP All right. Roger. (COLUMBIA)

CC /You might be interested in knowing, Mike, that we have gotten reflections back from the laser reflector ray they deployed, and we may be able to get some information out of that a little later.

CMP Roger. I need a very precise position, because (COLUMBIA) I can only do a decent job of scanning maybe one
of those grid squares at a time. The area that we've been sweeping covers 10's and 20's and 30's
of them.

CC Roger. We understand. This is intended to be
your last P22. We don't want to use up too much fuel in this effort. Over.

CMP Roger. How's the fuel coming (COLUMBIA)

CC Roger. There's no problem fuel-wise. It's Just that there seems to be a limit to the number of
P22's and the number of grid squares you can search over.

Boy, they got the laser thing working there, you'd think they'd tell Collins where it is; 00 41 15 north and 23 26 00 east. I mean it's not like you gotta' hide it from the guy. Or if they're using other coordinates for the LRRR, why don't they spit those out. Hmmmmmmmmmm something is rotten in cislunar space.

Here's another good one Matt, from a little later on in the flight. Would seem they got off the moon and they still don't know where they are.

Time 06 07 33 52
CDR Go ahead.

CC Go ahead, Houston.
CC Roger. For 64 thousand dollars, we're still trying to work out the location of your landing site, Tranquility Base. We think it is located on LAM-2 chart at Juliet 0.5 and 7.8. Do you still have those charts on board? Over.
CDR Yes. Stand by one. They're packed.
CC Roger. You may not have to unpack it. The position which I just gave you is slightly west of West Crater. I guess it's about two-tenths
of a kilometer west of it, and we were wondering if Neil or Buzz had observed any additional land- marks during descent, lunar stay, or ascent which would confirm or disprove this. One thing that we're wondering about is that if you were at this position, you would have seen the Cat's Paw during ascent just up to the north of your track. Over.
CDR We were looking for the Cat's Paw, too, thinking we were probably downrange, beyond the Big V.
But I think that it's likely that that might have been West Crater that we went across in landing, but - Stand by.
CDR We're hoping, Bruce, that our 16-mm film was working at that point in descent, and we'll be able to confirm our touchdown position. We thought that during ascent we might be able to pick up some recognizable objects close to the landing site, and we did see a number of small craters, and crater rows, and things like that, which we may be able to pick out after the fact, but we haven't been able to yet.

And here Matt went to all that trouble to try and prove when the brothers bogus were on the moon the exact coordinates were known. Here our boys are long long after their lunar jaunt, and still the location is the "64 thousand dollar question". More like the $130,000,000,000 question, wasn't that what my ma' paid for this bad film? Rip off!
And lookie lookie lookie lookie here, all those fancy numbers in the Mission report, so close to one another, ostensibly so accurate. Where'd they get those from , if they got any of them in real time with the exception of Reed and his rendezvous radar? That was straight up, but given what's going on here with our "64,000" errrrr , I mean "$130,000,000,000 question", looks like those numbers in the Mission Report were made up now weren't they? You know, made up after the bogus brothers splashed down in a bath tub some where on Waikiki.

Boy is this interesting.

There it is , I smell that rocket smoke , coming right out of RAF's earballs.

Too bad I won't have access to this in Delhi. I do declare, today has been the finest day of my HB career. I believe I have those "Apollo Truthers" on the run.

Burden of proof falls to you fellas now. I want to see good book reports when I get back. Prove me wrong about the foreknowledge business. Rocks don't count. Foreknowledge is FRAUD baby, we'll deal with the rock after the house of cards caves.


Zoom zoom zoom, I'm off!

Still no answer.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

[...] best I could do late in the day and heading out.

You've been "heading out" for the past 11 hours...

[SezMe]

Originally Posted by SezMe

Airline and Flight Number please.

*Ahem*