has anyone ever heard of this nonsense?

IIIClovisIII · 10th September 2011, 11:18 AM

Apparently, we and most (if not all) animal species are the products of millions of years of genetic engineering credited to an unknown alien race of the past.

I've honestly never heard of such a radical idea. Can anyone clarify this for me? It's like a mix of different conspiracy theories packed into one. Crazier than David Ike (something you don't hear everyday).

http://www.youtube.com/user/buffboynick

from http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread212461/pg1

Quote:

Why? Just look at insects. Proof of Intelligent Design, but by who? That's the real debate. "They" (possibly ET scientists) must've come here on earth and worked in some kind of laboratory on the unhabitable earth and created many of the wonderful things we see in nature. "They" must've created us as well. "They" were not a God or gods, just more advanced in their technology. Think about it. One word: DNA

Elizabeth I · 10th September 2011, 11:42 AM

I have, but that's about all I can say about it, since I never thought enough of the concept to bother looking into it more deeply.

Greedo · 10th September 2011, 11:43 AM

No.

I've heard many Alien-Reptilian-CTers claim this.

Nick Terry · 10th September 2011, 11:55 AM

it's just an update of ancient-astronaut pseudohistory.

IIIClovisIII · 10th September 2011, 09:39 PM

Okay, alright. I have heard of the Ancient Astronaut's basic premise but nothing as drawn out as these lol.

I wonder how these people can sleep at night...

Garrison · 11th September 2011, 02:22 AM

It's popped in science fiction movies and TV quite a bit. Mission to Mars had, naturally, Martians manipulating the primitive organisms of the Earth's oceans. The Star Trek TNG episode The Chase ancient aliens seeded the glaxy with their DNA, conveniently explaining why there are so many humanoids around in the Star Trek universe. So it sounds to me like someone is just taking a well established fictional idea and trying to repackage it for the gullible as some sort of deep insight into the nature of things.

little grey rabbit · 11th September 2011, 04:10 AM

Originally Posted by Garrison

It's popped in science fiction movies and TV quite a bit. Mission to Mars had, naturally, Martians manipulating the primitive organisms of the Earth's oceans. The Star Trek TNG episode The Chase ancient aliens seeded the glaxy with their DNA, conveniently explaining why there are so many humanoids around in the Star Trek universe. So it sounds to me like someone is just taking a well established fictional idea and trying to repackage it for the gullible as some sort of deep insight into the nature of things.

“Don’t interrupt. The book says that first you identify the analogies and then you find the reasons. And it says that, in the end, the reasons are scientific. The Egyptians knew electricity. Without electricity they wouldn’t have been able to do what they did. A German engineer placed in charge of the sewers of Baghdad discovered electric batteries still operating that dated back to the Sassanids. In the excavations of Babylon, accumulators were found that had been made four thousand years ago. And, finally, the Ark of the Covenant (which contained the Tables of theLaw, Aaron’s rod, and a pot of manna from the desert) was a kind of electric strongbox capable of producing discharges on the order of five hundred volts.”
“I saw that in a movie.”
“So what? Where do you think scriptwriters get their ideas?"

Garrison · 11th September 2011, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by little grey rabbit

“Don’t interrupt. The book says that first you identify the analogies and then you find the reasons. And it says that, in the end, the reasons are scientific. The Egyptians knew electricity. Without electricity they wouldn’t have been able to do what they did. A German engineer placed in charge of the sewers of Baghdad discovered electric batteries still operating that dated back to the Sassanids. In the excavations of Babylon, accumulators were found that had been made four thousand years ago. And, finally, the Ark of the Covenant (which contained the Tables of theLaw, Aaron’s rod, and a pot of manna from the desert) was a kind of electric strongbox capable of producing discharges on the order of five hundred volts.”
“I saw that in a movie.”
“So what? Where do you think scriptwriters get their ideas?"

You do realize 'quotes' might have more weight if you provided a citation for them, otherwise people might think you are just making them up and trolling the board...

Oh and I saw the Mythbusters episode with the Baghdad battery and the Ark of the Covenant; cool but not exactly a historical reference.

little grey rabbit · 11th September 2011, 06:02 AM

Originally Posted by Garrison

You do realize 'quotes' might have more weight if you provided a citation for them, otherwise people might think you are just making them up and trolling the board...

Oh and I saw the Mythbusters episode with the Baghdad battery and the Ark of the Covenant; cool but not exactly a historical reference.

What an outrageous accusation. Anyway its must reading for anyone interested CT.

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JCM · 14th September 2011, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by IIIClovisIII

Apparently, we and most (if not all) animal species are the products of millions of years of genetic engineering credited to an unknown alien race of the past.
I've honestly never heard of such a radical idea. Can anyone clarify this for me? It's like a mix of different conspiracy theories packed into one. Crazier than David Ike (something you don't hear everyday).

Are you new to the field of CT? This type of claim has persisted for quite a long time and has a lot of tangents. Some recent developments of the idea are that those who support the idea of human genetic manipulation point to a claim that the Rheysus factor in some humans or rather the lack of as well as the 245 genes of unknown evolutionary origin as signs of tampering.
Clarification is hard with a lot of this. I have heard the theory's use in some of the official governmental disninformation surrounding the Paul Bennewitz affair that was supplied by Richard Doty which he also gave in his consultation with the X-files. The whole cattle mutatlation spin by Doty was also related to this theory too.

BenBurch · 14th September 2011, 05:00 PM

Somebody read Gene Roddenberry's backstory for Star Trek and thought it was a history.

JCM · 14th September 2011, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

Somebody read Gene Roddenberry's backstory for Star Trek and thought it was a history.

Interesting this is mentioned in Star-Trek? I'm a fan which episodes, series? Or is it just franchise myth / from outside production sources? Anyone know what Ben Burch is refering to?

Brainache · 14th September 2011, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by JCM

Interesting this is mentioned in Star-Trek? I'm a fan which episodes, series? Or is it just franchise myth / from outside production sources? Anyone know what Ben Burch is refering to?

Originally Posted by Garrison

It's popped in science fiction movies and TV quite a bit. Mission to Mars had, naturally, Martians manipulating the primitive organisms of the Earth's oceans. The Star Trek TNG episode The Chase ancient aliens seeded the glaxy with their DNA, conveniently explaining why there are so many humanoids around in the Star Trek universe. So it sounds to me like someone is just taking a well established fictional idea and trying to repackage it for the gullible as some sort of deep insight into the nature of things.

There you go: Star Trek the Next Generation episode "The Chase"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cha...ext_Generation)

JCM · 14th September 2011, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Brainache

There you go: Star Trek the Next Generation episode "The Chase"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cha...ext_Generation)

Thanks missed reading that from the other post

I Ratant · 15th September 2011, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by JCM

Are you new to the field of CT? This type of claim has persisted for quite a long time and has a lot of tangents. Some recent developments of the idea are that those who support the idea of human genetic manipulation point to a claim that the Rheysus factor in some humans or rather the lack of as well as the 245 genes of unknown evolutionary origin as signs of tampering.
Clarification is hard with a lot of this. I have heard the theory's use in some of the official governmental disninformation surrounding the Paul Bennewitz affair that was supplied by Richard Doty which he also gave in his consultation with the X-files. The whole cattle mutatlation spin by Doty was also related to this theory too.

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Zechariah Sitchin made a bundle off peddling this kind of stuff.
Refer to "The 12th Planet" for ***** and grins...

Hans · 15th September 2011, 02:27 PM

Quote:

A German engineer placed in charge of the sewers of Baghdad discovered electric batteries still operating that dated back to the Sassanids

Actually found by an archaeologist in a habitation outside of Bagdad. Definitely not operational and may have come from the Sassanid period, it was popularized by the German director of the Iraqi museum.

JCM · 15th September 2011, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by I Ratant

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Zechariah Sitchin made a bundle off peddling this kind of stuff.
Refer to "The 12th Planet" for ***** and grins...

A good source for Sitchin refutation is Michael Heiser, though he's got his own woo

I Ratant · 16th September 2011, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by JCM

A good source for Sitchin refutation is Michael Heiser, though he's got his own woo

.
It's better if one's education can point out the impossibilities in Sitchin.
Ya know, like all those "winds" striking that planet, billions of years ago; billions of years -before- there was anything around to record and pass on the destruction. Etc.

IIIClovisIII · 16th September 2011, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by JCM

Are you new to the field of CT? This type of claim has persisted for quite a long time and has a lot of tangents. Some recent developments of the idea are that those who support the idea of human genetic manipulation point to a claim that the Rheysus factor in some humans or rather the lack of as well as the 245 genes of unknown evolutionary origin as signs of tampering.
Clarification is hard with a lot of this. I have heard the theory's use in some of the official governmental disninformation surrounding the Paul Bennewitz affair that was supplied by Richard Doty which he also gave in his consultation with the X-files. The whole cattle mutatlation spin by Doty was also related to this theory too.

not exactly "new" per se, but I haven't been getting the hard details of some of these more complicated CTs. I have heard of the Baghdad battery and things like the "starchild", which are laughable, for a long time.

matt.tansy · 16th September 2011, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Why? Just look at insects. Proof of Intelligent Design, but by who? That's the real debate. "They" (possibly ET scientists) must've come here on earth and worked in some kind of laboratory on the unhabitable earth and created many of the wonderful things we see in nature. "They" must've created us as well. "They" were not a God or gods, just more advanced in their technology. Think about it. One word: DNA

Like all CT they never think through the implications of what they post, in this case, the infinite regression of who designed the designer.

10th September 2011, 11:18 AM	#1
IIIClovisIII Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 332	has anyone ever heard of this nonsense? Apparently, we and most (if not all) animal species are the products of millions of years of genetic engineering credited to an unknown alien race of the past. I've honestly never heard of such a radical idea. Can anyone clarify this for me? It's like a mix of different conspiracy theories packed into one. Crazier than David Ike (something you don't hear everyday). http://www.youtube.com/user/buffboynick from http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread212461/pg1 Quote: Why? Just look at insects. Proof of Intelligent Design, but by who? That's the real debate. "They" (possibly ET scientists) must've come here on earth and worked in some kind of laboratory on the unhabitable earth and created many of the wonderful things we see in nature. "They" must've created us as well. "They" were not a God or gods, just more advanced in their technology. Think about it. One word: DNA

10th September 2011, 11:42 AM	#2
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10th September 2011, 11:43 AM	#3
Greedo Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,579	No. I've heard many Alien-Reptilian-CTers claim this.
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14th September 2011, 04:53 PM	#10
JCM Critical Thinker Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 468	Originally Posted by IIIClovisIII Apparently, we and most (if not all) animal species are the products of millions of years of genetic engineering credited to an unknown alien race of the past. I've honestly never heard of such a radical idea. Can anyone clarify this for me? It's like a mix of different conspiracy theories packed into one. Crazier than David Ike (something you don't hear everyday). Are you new to the field of CT? This type of claim has persisted for quite a long time and has a lot of tangents. Some recent developments of the idea are that those who support the idea of human genetic manipulation point to a claim that the Rheysus factor in some humans or rather the lack of as well as the 245 genes of unknown evolutionary origin as signs of tampering. Clarification is hard with a lot of this. I have heard the theory's use in some of the official governmental disninformation surrounding the Paul Bennewitz affair that was supplied by Richard Doty which he also gave in his consultation with the X-files. The whole cattle mutatlation spin by Doty was also related to this theory too.
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Nick Terry Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,304	it's just an update of ancient-astronaut pseudohistory.

10th September 2011, 09:39 PM	#5
IIIClovisIII Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 332	Okay, alright. I have heard of the Ancient Astronaut's basic premise but nothing as drawn out as these lol. I wonder how these people can sleep at night...

11th September 2011, 02:22 AM	#6
Garrison Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Milton Keynes UK Posts: 1,439	It's popped in science fiction movies and TV quite a bit. Mission to Mars had, naturally, Martians manipulating the primitive organisms of the Earth's oceans. The Star Trek TNG episode The Chase ancient aliens seeded the glaxy with their DNA, conveniently explaining why there are so many humanoids around in the Star Trek universe. So it sounds to me like someone is just taking a well established fictional idea and trying to repackage it for the gullible as some sort of deep insight into the nature of things.

11th September 2011, 04:10 AM	#7
little grey rabbit Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,167	Originally Posted by Garrison It's popped in science fiction movies and TV quite a bit. Mission to Mars had, naturally, Martians manipulating the primitive organisms of the Earth's oceans. The Star Trek TNG episode The Chase ancient aliens seeded the glaxy with their DNA, conveniently explaining why there are so many humanoids around in the Star Trek universe. So it sounds to me like someone is just taking a well established fictional idea and trying to repackage it for the gullible as some sort of deep insight into the nature of things. “Don’t interrupt. The book says that first you identify the analogies and then you find the reasons. And it says that, in the end, the reasons are scientific. The Egyptians knew electricity. Without electricity they wouldn’t have been able to do what they did. A German engineer placed in charge of the sewers of Baghdad discovered electric batteries still operating that dated back to the Sassanids. In the excavations of Babylon, accumulators were found that had been made four thousand years ago. And, finally, the Ark of the Covenant (which contained the Tables of theLaw, Aaron’s rod, and a pot of manna from the desert) was a kind of electric strongbox capable of producing discharges on the order of five hundred volts.” “I saw that in a movie.” “So what? Where do you think scriptwriters get their ideas?"

11th September 2011, 05:57 AM	#8
Garrison Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Milton Keynes UK Posts: 1,439	Originally Posted by little grey rabbit “Don’t interrupt. The book says that first you identify the analogies and then you find the reasons. And it says that, in the end, the reasons are scientific. The Egyptians knew electricity. Without electricity they wouldn’t have been able to do what they did. A German engineer placed in charge of the sewers of Baghdad discovered electric batteries still operating that dated back to the Sassanids. In the excavations of Babylon, accumulators were found that had been made four thousand years ago. And, finally, the Ark of the Covenant (which contained the Tables of theLaw, Aaron’s rod, and a pot of manna from the desert) was a kind of electric strongbox capable of producing discharges on the order of five hundred volts.” “I saw that in a movie.” “So what? Where do you think scriptwriters get their ideas?" You do realize 'quotes' might have more weight if you provided a citation for them, otherwise people might think you are just making them up and trolling the board... Oh and I saw the Mythbusters episode with the Baghdad battery and the Ark of the Covenant; cool but not exactly a historical reference.

11th September 2011, 06:02 AM	#9
little grey rabbit Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,167	Originally Posted by Garrison You do realize 'quotes' might have more weight if you provided a citation for them, otherwise people might think you are just making them up and trolling the board... Oh and I saw the Mythbusters episode with the Baghdad battery and the Ark of the Covenant; cool but not exactly a historical reference. What an outrageous accusation. Anyway its must reading for anyone interested CT. “Because I was hoping you’d know more than I do. Because perhaps I’m relieved to see you can’t make head or tail of it either. You say you have to read lunatics by the carload and you consider it a waste of time. I don’t. For me, the works of your lunatics—by ‘your’ I’m referring to you normal people—are important texts. What a lunatic writes may explain the thinking of the man who puts the bomb on the train. Or are you afraid of becoming a police informer?” “No, not at all. Besides, looking for things in card catalogs is my business. If the right piece of information turns up, I’ll keep you in mind.” As he rose from his chair, De Angelis dropped the last question: “Among your manuscripts...have you ever found any reference to the Tres?” “What’s that?” “I don’t know. An organization, maybe. I don’t even know if it exists. I’ve heard it mentioned, and it occurred to me in connection with your lunatics. Say hello to your friend Belbo for me. Tell him I’m not keeping tabs on any of you. The fact is, I have a dirty job, and my misfortune is that I enjoy it.”

14th September 2011, 05:05 PM	#12
JCM Critical Thinker Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 468	Originally Posted by BenBurch Somebody read Gene Roddenberry's backstory for Star Trek and thought it was a history. Interesting this is mentioned in Star-Trek? I'm a fan which episodes, series? Or is it just franchise myth / from outside production sources? Anyone know what Ben Burch is refering to?
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JCM Critical Thinker Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 468	Originally Posted by Brainache There you go: Star Trek the Next Generation episode "The Chase" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cha...ext_Generation) Thanks missed reading that from the other post
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I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	Originally Posted by JCM Are you new to the field of CT? This type of claim has persisted for quite a long time and has a lot of tangents. Some recent developments of the idea are that those who support the idea of human genetic manipulation point to a claim that the Rheysus factor in some humans or rather the lack of as well as the 245 genes of unknown evolutionary origin as signs of tampering. Clarification is hard with a lot of this. I have heard the theory's use in some of the official governmental disninformation surrounding the Paul Bennewitz affair that was supplied by Richard Doty which he also gave in his consultation with the X-files. The whole cattle mutatlation spin by Doty was also related to this theory too. . Zechariah Sitchin made a bundle off peddling this kind of stuff. Refer to "The 12th Planet" for ***** and grins...

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Hans Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: NW United States Posts: 2,789	Quote: A German engineer placed in charge of the sewers of Baghdad discovered electric batteries still operating that dated back to the Sassanids Actually found by an archaeologist in a habitation outside of Bagdad. Definitely not operational and may have come from the Sassanid period, it was popularized by the German director of the Iraqi museum.

15th September 2011, 10:10 PM	#17
JCM Critical Thinker Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 468	Originally Posted by I Ratant . Zechariah Sitchin made a bundle off peddling this kind of stuff. Refer to "The 12th Planet" for ***** and grins... A good source for Sitchin refutation is Michael Heiser, though he's got his own woo
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16th September 2011, 09:19 AM	#18
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	Originally Posted by JCM A good source for Sitchin refutation is Michael Heiser, though he's got his own woo . It's better if one's education can point out the impossibilities in Sitchin. Ya know, like all those "winds" striking that planet, billions of years ago; billions of years -before- there was anything around to record and pass on the destruction. Etc.

16th September 2011, 03:00 PM	#19
IIIClovisIII Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 332	Originally Posted by JCM Are you new to the field of CT? This type of claim has persisted for quite a long time and has a lot of tangents. Some recent developments of the idea are that those who support the idea of human genetic manipulation point to a claim that the Rheysus factor in some humans or rather the lack of as well as the 245 genes of unknown evolutionary origin as signs of tampering. Clarification is hard with a lot of this. I have heard the theory's use in some of the official governmental disninformation surrounding the Paul Bennewitz affair that was supplied by Richard Doty which he also gave in his consultation with the X-files. The whole cattle mutatlation spin by Doty was also related to this theory too. not exactly "new" per se, but I haven't been getting the hard details of some of these more complicated CTs. I have heard of the Baghdad battery and things like the "starchild", which are laughable, for a long time.

16th September 2011, 03:22 PM	#20
matt.tansy Muse Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Groton, CT Posts: 802	Quote: Why? Just look at insects. Proof of Intelligent Design, but by who? That's the real debate. "They" (possibly ET scientists) must've come here on earth and worked in some kind of laboratory on the unhabitable earth and created many of the wonderful things we see in nature. "They" must've created us as well. "They" were not a God or gods, just more advanced in their technology. Think about it. One word: DNA Like all CT they never think through the implications of what they post, in this case, the infinite regression of who designed the designer.