A Tale of Personal Recovery

Badly Shaved Monkey · 22nd April 2004, 01:27 PM

Alt Med websites love tales of personal health miracles. So here is one.

I have had a sore throat for 2 weeks. In the last 4 days my lymph nodes have become enlarged and painful.

Yesterday I started taking antibiotics and today I feel much better.

My question to the homeopathic readers of this forum is:

Should I unequivocally claim that the antibiotics have produced this dramatic improvement, because;

" This just shows what can happen when you get the right remedy and the right potency, so never give up hope."

Rolfe · 22nd April 2004, 01:50 PM

What, no Planet X option?

Rolfe.

garys_2k · 22nd April 2004, 02:00 PM

You only want the four homeopaths to vote here, right?

Badly Shaved Monkey · 22nd April 2004, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by garys_2k
You only want the four homeopaths to vote here, right?

Probably. They might find the right answer if given help and I want to see what they choose on their own.

Badly Shaved Monkey · 22nd April 2004, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rolfe
What, no Planet X option?

Rolfe.

Spot the newbie, I guess. I didn't realise it was compulsory!

Rolfe · 22nd April 2004, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Badly Shaved Monkey
Spot the newbie, I guess. I didn't realise it was compulsory!

Not that new. Ever going to choose an avatar?

Sorry, I voted first. I need to clean my glasses, I didn't see who the question was directed to. Did I give it away?

By the way, four homoeopathic readers, if Barb's come by recently, but five accounts.

Rolfe.

Badly Shaved Monkey · 22nd April 2004, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rolfe
Not that new. Ever going to choose an avatar?

Sorry, I voted first. I need to clean my glasses, I didn't see who the question was directed to. Did I give it away?

Rolfe.

2/2 correct so far!

Soapy Sam · 22nd April 2004, 02:49 PM

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Yahweh · 22nd April 2004, 05:30 PM

Quite clearly a case of the world's most powerful placebo, in my professional opinion.

Prester John · 23rd April 2004, 02:09 AM

Its obvious, stimulus and effect, if an event directly follows an event the second event must be caused by the first, isn't it ? isn't it?

Ok lets apply some more logic, antibiotics cure sore throats, and they generally work in about 24 hrs QED surely?

NB The aboves does not neccesarily reflect the opinion of the poster

Badly Shaved Monkey · 23rd April 2004, 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Prester John
Its obvious, stimulus and effect, if an event directly follows an event the second event must be caused by the first, isn't it ? isn't it?

Ok lets apply some more logic, antibiotics cure sore throats, and they generally work in about 24 hrs QED surely?

NB The aboves does not neccesarily reflect the opinion of the poster

I think what you were meaning to say was.

"Antibiotics have been around for millions of years. Bacteria discovered them and they have been part of traditional bacterial culture (culture, geddit?) for millennia. Millions of practitioners use them thanks to their training and are never wrong when they say that the patient showed a genuine response to their magic bullets. Coincidences never happen, practitioners always know a curative effect when they see one. Even if the patient gets worse or dies this was not because of misdiagnosis it was proof of the antibiotics' power to cause aggravations. Deafness caused by aminoglycosides is but one example of the powerful ability to produce beneficial aggravation, which the naysayers may call side effects."

Enough with the parody. They'll never get it.

Still someone voted for option 1, who wants to own up?

mummymonkey · 23rd April 2004, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Badly Shaved Monkey
Still someone voted for option 1, who wants to own up?

Me. I wanted to justify the cost of the drugs.

Rolfe · 23rd April 2004, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Badly Shaved Monkey
"Antibiotics have been around for millions of years. Bacteria discovered them and they have been part of traditional bacterial culture (culture, geddit?) for millennia. Millions of practitioners use them thanks to their training and are never wrong when they say that the patient showed a genuine response to their magic bullets. Coincidences never happen, practitioners always know a curative effect when they see one. Even if the patient gets worse or dies this was not because of misdiagnosis it was proof of the antibiotics' power to cause aggravations. Deafness caused by aminoglycosides is but one example of the powerful ability to produce beneficial aggravation, which the naysayers may call side effects."

Rolfe.

(Thinks Prester John knows about bacteria and culture....)

Eos of the Eons · 24th April 2004, 09:42 AM

Quote:

"Antibiotics have been around for millions of years. Bacteria discovered them and they have been part of traditional bacterial culture (culture, geddit?) for millennia.

Hmm, I'll have to pay more attention to the bacterial 'culture' in the petri dish!

Them fungi are just annoyances sometimes, the bacteria tolerate their presence as long as things don't get out of hand. Then they just become complacent sometimes and the fungi commit genocide. But, just like antibiotics, they have become part of bacterial culture, and that is long and complicated history.

I voted option 3, and it looks like I'm on the bandwagon of those who don't like anectdotal evidence. Shame shame on us doubters.

Rob Lister · 26th April 2006, 04:45 AM

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22nd April 2004, 01:27 PM	#1
Badly Shaved Monkey Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Outside a banana and far from a razor Posts: 5,262	A Tale of Personal Recovery Alt Med websites love tales of personal health miracles. So here is one. I have had a sore throat for 2 weeks. In the last 4 days my lymph nodes have become enlarged and painful. Yesterday I started taking antibiotics and today I feel much better. My question to the homeopathic readers of this forum is: Should I unequivocally claim that the antibiotics have produced this dramatic improvement, because; " This just shows what can happen when you get the right remedy and the right potency, so never give up hope."
	__________________ "i'm frankly surprised homeopathy does as well as placebo" Anonymous homeopath. "Alas, to wear the mantle of Galileo it is not enough that you be persecuted by an unkind establishment; you must also be right." (Robert Park) Is the pen is mightier than the sword? Its effectiveness as a weapon is certainly enhanced if it is sharpened properly and poked in the eye of your opponent.

22nd April 2004, 01:50 PM	#2
Rolfe Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 34,325	What, no Planet X option? Rolfe.
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22nd April 2004, 02:00 PM	#3
garys_2k Muse Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 756	You only want the four homeopaths to vote here, right?
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22nd April 2004, 02:23 PM	#4
Badly Shaved Monkey Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Outside a banana and far from a razor Posts: 5,262	Quote: Originally posted by garys_2k You only want the four homeopaths to vote here, right? Probably. They might find the right answer if given help and I want to see what they choose on their own.
	__________________ "i'm frankly surprised homeopathy does as well as placebo" Anonymous homeopath. "Alas, to wear the mantle of Galileo it is not enough that you be persecuted by an unkind establishment; you must also be right." (Robert Park) Is the pen is mightier than the sword? Its effectiveness as a weapon is certainly enhanced if it is sharpened properly and poked in the eye of your opponent.

22nd April 2004, 02:25 PM	#5
Badly Shaved Monkey Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Outside a banana and far from a razor Posts: 5,262	Quote: Originally posted by Rolfe What, no Planet X option? Rolfe. Spot the newbie, I guess. I didn't realise it was compulsory!
	__________________ "i'm frankly surprised homeopathy does as well as placebo" Anonymous homeopath. "Alas, to wear the mantle of Galileo it is not enough that you be persecuted by an unkind establishment; you must also be right." (Robert Park) Is the pen is mightier than the sword? Its effectiveness as a weapon is certainly enhanced if it is sharpened properly and poked in the eye of your opponent.

22nd April 2004, 02:34 PM	#6
Rolfe Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 34,325	Quote: Originally posted by Badly Shaved Monkey Spot the newbie, I guess. I didn't realise it was compulsory! Not that new. Ever going to choose an avatar? Sorry, I voted first. I need to clean my glasses, I didn't see who the question was directed to. Did I give it away? By the way, four homoeopathic readers, if Barb's come by recently, but five accounts. Rolfe.
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22nd April 2004, 02:37 PM	#7
Badly Shaved Monkey Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Outside a banana and far from a razor Posts: 5,262	Quote: Originally posted by Rolfe Not that new. Ever going to choose an avatar? Sorry, I voted first. I need to clean my glasses, I didn't see who the question was directed to. Did I give it away? Rolfe. 2/2 correct so far!
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22nd April 2004, 05:30 PM	#9
Yahweh Ayay ashay ayay Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,029	Quite clearly a case of the world's most powerful placebo, in my professional opinion.
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23rd April 2004, 02:09 AM	#10
Prester John Anti-homeopathy Illuminati member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,187	Its obvious, stimulus and effect, if an event directly follows an event the second event must be caused by the first, isn't it ? isn't it? Ok lets apply some more logic, antibiotics cure sore throats, and they generally work in about 24 hrs QED surely? NB The aboves does not neccesarily reflect the opinion of the poster
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23rd April 2004, 05:49 AM	#11
Badly Shaved Monkey Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Outside a banana and far from a razor Posts: 5,262	Quote: Originally posted by Prester John Its obvious, stimulus and effect, if an event directly follows an event the second event must be caused by the first, isn't it ? isn't it? Ok lets apply some more logic, antibiotics cure sore throats, and they generally work in about 24 hrs QED surely? NB The aboves does not neccesarily reflect the opinion of the poster I think what you were meaning to say was. "Antibiotics have been around for millions of years. Bacteria discovered them and they have been part of traditional bacterial culture (culture, geddit?) for millennia. Millions of practitioners use them thanks to their training and are never wrong when they say that the patient showed a genuine response to their magic bullets. Coincidences never happen, practitioners always know a curative effect when they see one. Even if the patient gets worse or dies this was not because of misdiagnosis it was proof of the antibiotics' power to cause aggravations. Deafness caused by aminoglycosides is but one example of the powerful ability to produce beneficial aggravation, which the naysayers may call side effects." Enough with the parody. They'll never get it. Still someone voted for option 1, who wants to own up?
	__________________ "i'm frankly surprised homeopathy does as well as placebo" Anonymous homeopath. "Alas, to wear the mantle of Galileo it is not enough that you be persecuted by an unkind establishment; you must also be right." (Robert Park) Is the pen is mightier than the sword? Its effectiveness as a weapon is certainly enhanced if it is sharpened properly and poked in the eye of your opponent.

23rd April 2004, 07:34 AM	#12
mummymonkey Did you spill my pint? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,915	Quote: Originally posted by Badly Shaved Monkey Still someone voted for option 1, who wants to own up? Me. I wanted to justify the cost of the drugs.
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23rd April 2004, 07:39 AM	#13
Rolfe Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 34,325	Quote: Originally posted by Badly Shaved Monkey "Antibiotics have been around for millions of years. Bacteria discovered them and they have been part of traditional bacterial culture (culture, geddit?) for millennia. Millions of practitioners use them thanks to their training and are never wrong when they say that the patient showed a genuine response to their magic bullets. Coincidences never happen, practitioners always know a curative effect when they see one. Even if the patient gets worse or dies this was not because of misdiagnosis it was proof of the antibiotics' power to cause aggravations. Deafness caused by aminoglycosides is but one example of the powerful ability to produce beneficial aggravation, which the naysayers may call side effects." Rolfe. (Thinks Prester John knows about bacteria and culture....)
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24th April 2004, 09:42 AM	#14
Eos of the Eons Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Alberta Posts: 13,894	Quote: "Antibiotics have been around for millions of years. Bacteria discovered them and they have been part of traditional bacterial culture (culture, geddit?) for millennia. Hmm, I'll have to pay more attention to the bacterial 'culture' in the petri dish! Them fungi are just annoyances sometimes, the bacteria tolerate their presence as long as things don't get out of hand. Then they just become complacent sometimes and the fungi commit genocide. But, just like antibiotics, they have become part of bacterial culture, and that is long and complicated history. I voted option 3, and it looks like I'm on the bandwagon of those who don't like anectdotal evidence. Shame shame on us doubters.
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Rob Lister Suspended Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 8,523	Hi! The Fatal desease: would you like to know? poll brought me here