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Illuminator
Join Date: Feb 2004
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PLO Charter was never changed....
from: Apr. 22, 2004 20:02 - Kaddoumi: PLO charter was never changed
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Just a short list of treaties Arafat and the Palestinian Authority have signed over the past decade. All of those treaties called for elections, the drafting of a Palestinian constitution, the end of incitement, the arrest and removal of all terror groups and most of all, the amendments of the Palestinian National Charter. We all know the first four obligations have been ignored for over a decade, and now after repeated assurances by Arafat and the P.A. that the PLO charter was changed, Farouk Kaddoumi, the PLO's hard-line "foreign minister" said thursday that the PLO charter has not been changed after all. How much more evidence does one need that you have been lied to.... (stand by for a_u_p, Demon and the Fool to say that Farouk Kaddoumi, the PLO's "foreign minister" is lying, dismiss his admission and then they will counter with some arbitrary crime to do with Sharon, occupation or the settlements. )
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Banned
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Behind the chessboard
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Oh, c'mon, Z-N, since when is the plan to destroy israel news? It's just the expulsion and massacre of a few million expendable jews. Nothing to worry about in the great scheme of things for those "brave fighters for Palestinian human rights".
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Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Australia
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Re: PLO Charter was never changed....
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P.S. sorry I can't be bothered to express an opinion as you have already manufactured your own opposing view as usual.... |
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And what is good, Phaedrus,and what is not good. Need we ask anyone to tell us these things? R. M. Pirsig. (Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance) Lose half your IQ....Ask me how. |
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Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Australia
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Re: Re: PLO Charter was never changed....
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And what is good, Phaedrus,and what is not good. Need we ask anyone to tell us these things? R. M. Pirsig. (Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance) Lose half your IQ....Ask me how. |
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Illuminator
Join Date: Feb 2004
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So Fool, your position is that the Palestinian Authority Website AND Farouk Kaddoumi, the PLO's hard-line "foreign minister," are lying. And here I thought a_u_p would be the first to attempt that...hehehe
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Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning
Join Date: Jul 2002
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Continually pushing the boundaries of mediocrity. Everything is possible, but not everything is probable. For if a man pretend to me that God hath spoken to him supernaturally, and immediately, and I make doubt of it, I cannot easily perceive what argument he can produce to oblige me to believe it. Hobbes |
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Banned
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Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Jul 2002
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dont beat me maaaster.... [/peter lorre voice] I notice "skeptic" jibbering away in this thread, has he stopped fabricating quotes yet? |
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And what is good, Phaedrus,and what is not good. Need we ask anyone to tell us these things? R. M. Pirsig. (Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance) Lose half your IQ....Ask me how. |
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Banned
Join Date: Jul 2001
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I mean, you don't get too many posts here of the "Today, I DIDN'T read such-and-such a paper, so I have no idea what they said" sort, do you? And if someone DID say that, wouldn't you instantly suspect thet actually did read the paper in question, and are trying to get others not to read it for some reason? for this reason, I get the feeling "The Fool"'s "public service announcement" that he doesn't even SEE my below-contempt posts--so THERE!--is an admittance that he read my post, saw he has no reply to my facts, and then decided to pretend the "real reason" he doesn't reply is that he had "punished" me by putting me on ignore. And, since the smeghead "the Fool" is ignoring me and won't see this, let me add that he has a tiny penis which couldn't satisfy a virgin ant. |
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High Priest of Ed
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Surely Israel is the party to blame? -a_unique_person I do have Mycroft on ignore, he is pretty much the Matt Giwer of your side. -a_unique_person Palestinian Refugees |
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Suspended
Join Date: Sep 2002
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Personally, I don't think that there are enough threads about Israel and Palestine on these boards.
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Master Poster
Join Date: Aug 2002
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The PLO Charter was never changed?
The Fourth Geneva Convention hasn't been changed either. The International Laws of Belligerent Occupation by Professor Francis Boyle Professor of International Law, University of Illinois Belligerent occupation is governed by The Hague Regulations of 1907, as well as by the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949, and the customary laws of belligerent occupation. Security Council Resolution 1322 (2000), paragraph 3 continued: “Calls upon Israel, the occupying Power, to abide scrupulously by its legal obligations and its responsibilities under the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in a Time of War of 12 August 1949;...” Again, the Security Council vote was 14 to 0, becoming obligatory international law. The Fourth Geneva Convention applies to the West Bank, to the Gaza Strip, and to the entire City of Jerusalem, in order to protect the Palestinians living there. The Palestinian People living in this Palestinian Land are “protected persons” within the meaning of the Fourth Geneva Convention. All of their rights are sacred under international law. There are 149 substantive articles of the Fourth Geneva Convention that protect the rights of every one of these Palestinians living in occupied Palestine. The Israeli Government is currently violating, and has since 1967 been violating, almost each and every one of these sacred rights of the Palestinian People recognized by the Fourth Geneva Convention. Indeed, violations of the Fourth Geneva Convention are war crimes. So this is not a symmetrical situation. As matters of fact and of law, the gross and repeated violations of Palestinian rights by the Israeli army and Israeli settlers living illegally in occupied Palestine constitute war crimes. Conversely, the Palestinian People are defending themselves and their Land and their Homes against Israeli war crimes and Israeli war criminals, both military and civilian. The U.N. Human Rights Commission Indeed, it is far more serious than that. On 19 October 2000 a Special Session of the U.N. Commission on Human Rights adopted a Resolution set forth in U.N. Document E/CN.4/S-5/L.2/Rev. 1, “Condemning the provocative visit to al Aqsa Haram Sharif on 28 September 2000 by Ariel Sharon, the Likud party leader, which triggered the tragic events that followed in occupied East Jerusalem and the other occupied Palestinian territories, resulting in a high number of deaths and injuries among Palestinian civilians.” The U.N. Human Rights Commission then said it was “[g]ravely concerned” about several different types of atrocities inflicted by Israel upon the Palestinian People, which it denominated “war crimes, flagrant violations of international humanitarian law and crimes against humanity.” In operative paragraph 1 of its 19 October 2000 Resolution, the U.N. Human Rights Commission then: “Strongly condemns the disproportionate and indiscriminate use of force in violation of international humanitarian law by the Israeli occupying Power against innocent and unarmed Palestinian civilians...including many children, in the occupied territories, which constitutes a war crime and a crime against humanity;...” And in paragraph 5 of its 19 October 2000 Resolution, the U.N. Human Rights Commission: “Also affirms that the deliberate and systematic killing of civilians and children by the Israeli occupying authorities constitutes a flagrant and grave violation of the right to life and also constitutes a crime against humanity;...” Article 68 of the United Nations Charter had expressly required the U.N.’s Economic and Social Council to “set up” this Commission “for the promotion of human rights.” Israel’s War Crimes against Palestinians We all have a general idea of what a war crime is, so I am not going to elaborate upon that term here. But there are different degrees of heinousness for war crimes. In particular are the more serious war crimes denominated “grave breaches” of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Since the start of the Al Aqsa Intifada, the world has seen those inflicted every day by Israel against the Palestinian People living in occupied Palestine: e.g., wilful killing of Palestinian civilians by the Israeli army and Israel’s illegal paramilitary settlers. These Israeli “grave breaches” of the Fourth Geneva Convention mandate universal prosecution for their perpetrators, whether military or civilian, as well as prosecution for their commanders, whether military or civilian, including Israel’s political leaders. Israel’s Crimes Against Humanity against Palestinians But I want to focus for a moment on Israel’s “crime against humanity” against the Palestinian People — as determined by the U.N. Human Rights Commission itself, set up pursuant to the requirements of the United Nations Charter. What is a “crime against humanity”? This concept goes all the way back to the Nuremberg Charter of 1945 for the trial of the major Nazi war criminals. And in the Nuremberg Charter of 1945, drafted by the United States Government, there was created and inserted a new type of international crime specifically intended to deal with the Nazi persecution of the Jewish People. The paradigmatic example of a “crime against humanity” is what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jewish People. This is where the concept of crime against humanity came from. And this is what the U.N. Human Rights Commission determined that Israel is currently doing to the Palestinian People: Crimes against humanity. Legally, just like what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jews. The Precursor to Genocide Moreover, a crime against humanity is the direct historical and legal precursor to the international crime of genocide as defined by the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. The theory here was that what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jewish People required a special international treaty that would codify and universalise the Nuremberg concept of “crime against humanity.” And that treaty ultimately became the 1948 Genocide Convention. In fairness, you will note that the U.N. Human Rights Commission did not go so far as to condemn Israel for committing genocide against the Palestinian People. But it has condemned Israel for committing crimes against humanity, which is the direct precursor to genocide. And I submit that if something is not done quite soon by the American People and the International Community to stop Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity against the Palestinian People, it could very well degenerate into genocide, if Israel is not there already. And in this regard, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is what international lawyers call a genocidaire—one who has already committed genocide in the past. Francis A. Boyle is a professor of international law at the University of Chicago and a Defence Lawyer at the International Court of Justice. He received his Master’s Degree and PhD in Political Science, as well as his Doctor of Law from Harvard University. He is the author of numerous books including, The Future of International Law and American Foreign Policy, World Politics and International Law, Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, and Palestine, Palestinians, and International Law. http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle5936.htm |
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