The lawsuit against Winston is dropped

[WWu777]

Actually, it was dropped last Friday. Randi's lawyer emailed me last Friday morning and told me that after discussing it with Randi, they decided to drop the lawsuit against me. The day before that, I wrote them a letter apologizing for my mistake, clarifying that it was never my intention to defame Randi in that manner, and that it was an accident and mistake. They were reasonable about it, and decided to just let it go as a lesson that I learned about being more careful about what I post on the boards next time.

But anyway, I decided not to tell you folks right away since it seemed you were having too much fun making dire predictions about me. I figured that this lawsuit against me made your boring lives a little more interesting. And yes, it was amusing watching some of you make grim dire predictions about my situation, knowing full well I would have the last laugh in the end. It was quite amusing to say the least.

Also, I knew that some of you were delighted deep down that I seemed to be in trouble, and would delight at seeing me suffer damages from this. So I kind of didn't want to spoil it for them just yet.

But I couldn't be silent about it forever, so I think now's the time to spill the beans. The lawsuit is dropped and the fun is over.

But don't worry, if you ever get bored, you can always scroll through the exciting 800+ photo slides of my two Russia trip albums! Yipeeeeee! :) Here is the link to that again:

http://hometown.aol.com/wwu777/myhomepage/travel.html

And if you delight in seeing me suffer, you can read about my dramas again, seeing the black humor stories from my ex-fiancee Katya. lol

Anyway, I'm sorry if some of you are mad that I withheld the news from you until now. Only a few select among my comrades were informed last Friday. The rest of you, I decided to leave in the dark for a while.

Again, just for the record, my statement concerning this issue of defamation on this board is that I made a mistake, it was an accident, and that it was never my intention to defame Randi in that manner, and I will be more careful about what I post in the future, making sure not to do that again.

Regards,
Winston

[qII]

winston,

that sounds reasonable and i hope you will continue to post interesting information as you have done in the past.

since you did not write the things that were posted the case against you was very weak.

[thaiboxerken]

Wow, Randi was reasonable. That's a surprise.

[Clancie]

Winston,

I never thought you'd wind up in court, but Randi was still quite benevolent in not making you squirm and worry about it longer.

I hope you can learn all future lessons so quickly and (relatively) painlessly.

[qII]

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Randi, they decided to drop the lawsuit against me. The day before that, I wrote them a letter apologizing for my mistake, clarifying that it was never my intention to defame Randi in that manner, and that it was an accident and mistake. They were reasonable about it, and decided to just let it go as a lesson that I learned about being more careful about what I post on the boards next time.

i wish i knew... did he do it because he is a nice guy? because he had a poor case? because a lawsuit is so draining?

anyway, apologizing was the correct thing to do even though randi does so many people wrong. i don't think he does it on purpose. i think that he and his minions are just clueless when it comes to the true nature of matter, energy, the human body. clueless as to the true reality of many unexplained matters.

i think that his mission is well meaning but his giant drag net snares too many legit researchers and legit phenomena.

he and his minions are clueless about homeopathy. 100,000 european doctors are not engaging in this treatment just to rip the patients off. they do it because it works.

5 lakh indian homeopaths are not screwing with the tens of millions of indians otherwise there would be no reason why the number would have swelled to 500,000.

ignorance is the root of all evil. evil is here at JREF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kopji]

Well, amen to that.

[thaiboxerken]

he and his minions are clueless about homeopathy.

If only the evidence wasn't clueless about homeopathy as well. Homeopathy does NOT work, that is a fact.

[Suezoled]

*starts sprinkling salt to purify the area*

[Zep]

Winston,

If it is possible, would you please post a copy of the email from Randi's lawyer saying that the situation is resolved, complete with identification so it can be checked publicly.

thanks
Zep

PS. Kindly take your posts about your Russian trips elsewhere. Not only are they some of the most boring things on the Internet, you are spamming this forum with them once again. I understand the admins have been tolerant of you up to this point - so don't push your luck, OK?

[Checkmite]

Wu's witless prattle about Russian women has already been debunked by a Russian woman. It is of no further interest.

[neutrino_cannon]

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Originally posted by Suezoled
*starts sprinkling salt to purify the area*

Gonna take more than salt. Got's to kill everything.

*walks away, muttering about 50 tonnes of ricin, DDT and a couple o' 100 megaton nukes*

[Oleron]

Are we sure Wu is telling us the whole truth here?

Randi's commentary came out last Friday morning and contained references to the upcoming lawsuit (see the 'In conclusion').

If Wu is telling the truth then Randi had to have already decided to drop the case when he posted this commentary. Wu's letter would have been with him the day before the commentary.

Surely Randi would have informed the forum by now? It is 4 days since the case was dropped, according to Wu.

[qII]

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Originally posted by thaiboxerken
he and his minions are clueless about homeopathy.

If only the evidence wasn't clueless about homeopathy as well. Homeopathy does NOT work, that is a fact.

you're an IDIOT!!!!!!!

judging by your posts you are rather simple. just thought i'd mention it.


http://www.hmedicine.com/news/guide/ncsu.php

Researchers at CalTech have discovered magnetic particles throughout the human brain. The Cal Tech team speculates that homeopathic dilutions create a higher level of the electromagnetic field, thus triggering the defense mechanisms of the body

[qII]

100,000 european medical doctors use homeopathy in their practice. they do so because they see it work.

[Rolfe]

Anybody want to know what I think of the general credibility level of "academics" who use the heading "PRINCIPLE BELIEFS" (sic) several times in the course of one article?

Rolfe.

[Darat]

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Originally posted by Rolfe
Anybody want to know what I think of the general credibility level of "academics" who use the heading "PRINCIPLE BELIEFS" (sic) several times in the course of one article?

Rolfe.

Go on tell us....

[Darat]

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Originally posted by Oleron
Are we sure Wu is telling us the whole truth here?

Randi's commentary came out last Friday morning and contained references to the upcoming lawsuit (see the 'In conclusion').

If Wu is telling the truth then Randi had to have already decided to drop the case when he posted this commentary. Wu's letter would have been with him the day before the commentary.

Surely Randi would have informed the forum by now? It is 4 days since the case was dropped, according to Wu.

Unless Randi prepares his commentry in advance or who ever uploads it requires it in advance.

[Prester John]

I see olaf has stopped posting his spam on the science forum !

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Researchers at CalTech have discovered magnetic particles throughout the human brain. The Cal Tech team speculates that homeopathic dilutions create a higher level of the electromagnetic field, thus triggering the defense mechanisms of the body

With a link, might lead the average reader to assume that the link leads to a scientific paper that supports the above statement. But no, it leads to an opinion piece, and the above sentence is improperly referenced, making it hard for anyone who wants to actually judge for themselves what the Caltech research shows.

So as per usual we have more unsubstanciated claims, just like the 100,000 Drs. Then Xanta never did bother with the truth anyway, perhaps Xanta you should become a proffesional homeopath, you seem suited for it.

[The Don]

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Originally posted by Rolfe
Anybody want to know what I think of the general credibility level of "academics" who use the heading "PRINCIPLE BELIEFS" (sic) several times in the course of one article?

Rolfe.

To be fair, the researchers would be scientists (as in "Yesterday I couldn't spell syentist but now I is one")

[Oleron]

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Originally posted by Darat


Unless Randi prepares his commentry in advance or who ever uploads it requires it in advance.

I take your point about the commentary but it is Tuesday 27th now - why hasn't Randi let the forum know?

Even considering that everyone is entitled to a weekend off, surely he would have spread the news yesterday?

[davidhorman]

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Originally posted by olaf
100,000 european medical doctors use homeopathy in their practice. they do so because they see it work.

I know that at least one doctor does it to get the whinging hypochondriac patients out of his surgery.

David

[CFLarsen]

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Originally posted by Oleron
I take your point about the commentary but it is Tuesday 27th now - why hasn't Randi let the forum know?

Even considering that everyone is entitled to a weekend off, surely he would have spread the news yesterday?

I agree. I haven't seen one single message from neither Randi, Linda, the mods, that indicates that the lawsuit is off.

[MRC_Hans]

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Originally posted by olaf

i wish i knew...

No you don't wish you knew, because that would keep you from making witless guesses. Mmmm, no it wouldn't.

did he do it because he is a nice guy?

No because he is not a nice guy, at least not to people like Wu.

because he had a poor case?

No, because he had an excellent case.

because a lawsuit is so draining?

Well, you're getting closer. How about "Because dragging a clueless idiot lile Wu to court is a waste of valuable time"?

anyway, apologizing was the correct thing to

You bet! And since that is what he would have had to do anyway, had there been a case....

do even though randi does so many people wrong. i don't think he does it on purpose.

Then you'd better think again (I know you find that difficult, still...).

i think that he and his minions are just clueless when it comes to the true nature of matter, energy, the human body. clueless as to the true reality of many unexplained matters.

Ahh, but we await eagerly YOUR evidence.

i think that his mission is well meaning but his giant drag net snares too many legit researchers and legit phenomena.

How can they be snared? All they have to do is provide evidence. What is the problem?

he and his minions are clueless about homeopathy. 100,000 european doctors are not engaging in this treatment just to rip the patients off. they do it because it works.

5 lakh indian homeopaths are not screwing with the tens of millions of indians otherwise there would be no reason why the number would have swelled to 500,000.

Time to repeat the mantra . Evidence? I thought not.

ignorance is the root of all evil. evil is here at JREF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, there is certainly ignorance. Yours.

Hans

[BillHoyt]

Pardon me, but I think I'll await official word from either JREF or Randi about this.

[shemp]

If it's true. I'm bummed. I was looking forward to watching this on Court TV, and hoping Randi would throw in a few magic tricks during the breaks.

[Anders]

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Originally posted by olaf

he and his minions are clueless about homeopathy. 100,000 european doctors are not engaging in this treatment just to rip the patients off. they do it because it works.

ignorance is the root of all evil. evil is here at JREF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually, Olaf, in Sweden, which is a very European, country, MDs that practice H’pathy are considered quacks, and their license to practice medicine is revoked for ever or for a certain time period.

And calling JREF evil? Isn’t that a little over the top? I don’t call H’paths evil, I don’t call them anything. What I and most skeptics do is to challenge your claims, no more, no less. Let’s debate on a nice level, shall we?

[Nigel]

Isn't it a rule of responsible journalism (to take one example) to use more than one source? And to use credible sources, at that? Very possible the suit was dropped, imo, but I prefer to get my news the old fashioned way - from additional sources.

[Nigel]

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Originally posted by Anders

Actually, Olaf, in Sweden, which is a very European, country, MDs that practice H’pathy are considered quacks, and their license to practice medicine is revoked for ever or for a certain time period.

And calling JREF evil? Isn’t that a little over the top? I don’t call H’paths evil, I don’t call them anything. What I and most skeptics do is to challenge your claims, no more, no less. Let’s debate on a nice level, shall we?

You'll learn about olaf, Anders, you'll learn.

[BillHoyt]

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Originally posted by shemp
If it's true. I'm bummed. I was looking forward to watching this on Court TV, and hoping Randi would throw in a few magic tricks during the breaks.

The best magic trick would be to not make his head shake or his eyes roll when he hears "it was never my intention to defame Randi." A better magic trick would be to make every head in the courtroom stop the head shaking and keep all eyes from rolling.

[Zep]

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Originally posted by CFLarsen
I agree. I haven't seen one single message from neither Randi, Linda, the mods, that indicates that the lawsuit is off.

I haven't seen anything posted from WWu purportedly from Randi or his lawyers that supports WWu's claim that the case is settled. I imagine he would be posting it here like a shot if it were actually true.

Added note: A trawl via a number of Google search criteria turns up nothing at all about this.

I suspect it is more likely it is the charges and the court appearance date that is settled. WWu does have a way of seeing things his own special way.

But I remain open-minded...for the time being anyway.

[edit: added note]

[Interesting Ian]

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Originally posted by Zep
I haven't seen anything posted from WWu purportedly from Randi or his lawyers that supports WWu's claim that the case is settled. I imagine he would be posting it here like a shot if it were actually true.

I suspect it is more likely it is the charges and the court appearance date that is settled. WWu does have a way of seeing things his own special way.

Hmmm . .must say I disagree.

[Zep]

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Originally posted by Interesting Ian

Hmmm . .must say I disagree.

With what, Ian? Do you have any references to anything purporting to come from Randi's lawyers saying that the case with Winston Wu is settled? Something that is NOT from Winston himself? I would love to see them. Truly.

I have also seen nothing from Randi himself saying that an apology has been accepted from Winston, so I gather the matter is still sub judice.

A forced apology is not an unfeasible outcome either - according to his own resume, Winston is working a menial job in Bellingham Washington currently, so he is hardly likely to be rich pickings for damages (and not that I expect Randi is in it for Winston's money). A public apology and retraction would be a fair outcome for both parties, I imagine. But I'm not Randi, so I don't know what IS a fair outcome in his eyes.

But all this is speculation - there's no evidence, so no conclusion can be reached. Typical skeptic attitude!

[Psi Baba]

Winston, congratulations. Unfortunately, we've all just decided to file a class action libel suit against you for defaming us by saying that we have "boring lives," and for calling us "clueless" and "minions." Have a nice day.

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Originally posted by olaf
http://www.hmedicine.com/news/guide/ncsu.php

Researchers at CalTech have discovered magnetic particles throughout the human brain. The Cal Tech team speculates that homeopathic dilutions create a higher level of the electromagnetic field, thus triggering the defense mechanisms of the body

Just a few thoughts on this delightful article you linked to:

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There is no physical trace of the original ingredient after the process is completed.

So homeopathy is in fact magic, then?

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Therefore, homeopaths can prescribe remedies based on your symptoms.

Then why do homeopaths complain that real medicine only treats the symptoms, not the illness. This statement demonstrates that homeopathy focuses only on the symptoms, and not the underlying causes.

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Homeopathy is a highly individualized form of treatment. The homeopathic perspective is that there are no diseases, only diseased people.

Whoa. This was pretty much disproven centuries ago. If there are only "diseased people" how do homeopaths explain contagion?

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The basis of this perspective stems from the idea that we all experience disease in different ways. It is too limiting to diagnose a person with a specific disease and expect one form of treatment to work on everyone. Therefore, homeopaths prescribe medicines that take into account both physical and psychological symptoms each person experiences.

How then does one account for all the over-the-counter homeopathic remedies available? Are these not expected to "work on everyone"? If not, how are they tailored to each individual? Is it like when you buy windshield wipers, there is a huge chart where you look up what kind of individual you are and then buy the bottle with the matching code number? But the way I read it, there should be a bottle with my name on it, right?

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Homeopathy individualizes treatment to a person’s unique pattern of symptoms.

Symptoms again.

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It is not known what the precise mechanism of healing is.

And why do you suppose that is?

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It is difficult to prove its effectiveness through contemporary scientific methods. There is no direct scientific evidence to prove, or disprove, why homeopathy is effective.

This is usually true when there is no phenomenon to even investigate in the first place.

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Homeopathy, as a system of medicine, is considered highly safe.

Plain water is generally considered "safe."

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Homeopathic theory states that taking random remedies will not cause any harm.

Throwing caution to the wind, in the name of science, I'm going to mix Perrier, Evian, Dasani, and Deer Park together and see what happens. Wish me luck!

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It is hypothesized that only the correct remedy will interact with the brain to trigger the healing response.

How convenient.

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Modern medicine fails in this aspect with upwards of 200,000 deaths caused by prescription drugs according to the Journal of the American Medical Association in the early 90’s.

If only it were possible to conduct an experiment whereby for one year no one at all took any kind of prescription drug and just used homeopathy, and then see how many people die. Of course, you can't do such an experiment which is why lunatics like you can make such stupid and untestable arguments.

olaf, I think you should talk to TLN. I'll bet he'll have some advice for you.

[Clancie]

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Posted by Oleron

I take your point about the commentary but it is Tuesday 27th now - why hasn't Randi let the forum know?

Even considering that everyone is entitled to a weekend off, surely he would have spread the news yesterday?

My guess is that part of the deal was for Winston to apologize publicly, since his post was public. We'll probably hear something soon.

[Interesting Ian]

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Originally posted by Zep
With what, Ian? Do you have any references to anything purporting to come from Randi's lawyers saying that the case with Winston Wu is settled? Something that is NOT from Winston himself? I would love to see them. Truly.

I have also seen nothing from Randi himself saying that an apology has been accepted from Winston, so I gather the matter is still sub judice.

No, I only know as much as you. This is simply my opinion. For one thing there doesn't seem to be much gained by lying about it.

Also previous evidence suggests that he was quite concerned about this lawsuit. But he initiated quite a few threads 2 days after he alleges it was dropped. This would be consistent with the relief brought about by the knowledge it was being dropped.

Thirdly, as this woman said several years ago about me, I'm never wrong about anything

[Interesting Ian]

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Originally posted by Clancie

My guess is that part of the deal was for Winston to apologize publicly, since his post was public. We'll probably hear something soon.

Hmmm . . an interesting hypothesis.

[Oleron]

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Originally posted by Clancie

My guess is that part of the deal was for Winston to apologize publicly, since his post was public. We'll probably hear something soon.

Maybe you're right. I suppose we'll find out soon enough.

[ca3799]

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Originally posted by Clancie

My guess is that part of the deal was for Winston to apologize publicly, since his post was public. We'll probably hear something soon.

I thought so, too. I also thought 'what a sorry apology offering it was...'

[richardm]

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Originally posted by WWu777


Again, just for the record, my statement concerning this issue of defamation on this board is that I made a mistake, it was an accident, and that it was never my intention to defame Randi in that manner, and I will be more careful about what I post in the future, making sure not to do that again.

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Originally posted by ca3799
I thought so, too. I also thought 'what a sorry apology offering it was...'

Do you think that was intended to be the apology that called off the dogs?

340-odd words along the lines of "Hahaha ! Tough Luck, Skeptic Pig-Dogs! Hahaha!"

Followed by "oh yeah, by the way, I made a mistake". That's not an apology, that's a statement saying "I won't do it again".

[Suezoled]

*sighs* Wwu's lawsuit does seem to be dropped. I also have the distinct notion Wwu isn't all smug, but relieved as well. He would have, after all, had to kiss a lot of @ss and suck a lot of d*ck to be forgiven. Now he's trying to post the Russian women thing as a way to divert attention.

Child tricks.