Bigfoot is NOT real

Jack Wilkox · 30th October 2011, 04:09 PM

If Bigfoot was real, where are the tracks?

How could there be one Bigfoot? Doesnt it ever die?

There is only one picture of Bigfoot and it was proven fake on Discovery Channel.

There was a guy named Wallace who admitted to being Bigfoot and hoaxing all the sightings by dressing up as Bigfoot. Also he hoaxed crop circles with a lawn mower, they showed it I believe on Discovery Channel.

Just some observations, food for thought, prove me wrong guys.

Mudcat · 30th October 2011, 04:16 PM

Hello! Welcome to the boards;

Now, I don't disbelieve the conclusion but you might want to cool it and try to frame your argument better as it is all coming off as a rant.

RedRatSnake · 30th October 2011, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Wilkox

If Bigfoot was real, where are the tracks?

How could there be one Bigfoot? Doesnt it ever die?

There is only one picture of Bigfoot and it was proven fake on Discovery Channel.

There was a guy named Wallace who admitted to being Bigfoot and hoaxing all the sightings by dressing up as Bigfoot. Also he hoaxed crop circles with a lawn mower, they showed it I believe on Discovery Channel.

Just some observations, food for thought, prove me wrong guys.

They cover up there tracks

Bigfoot is self generating

There was the Jacobs picture of a juvenile BF

Wallace made up the story that he made those tracks

“We are the facilitators of our own creative evolution.”

ScannerHead · 30th October 2011, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Wilkox

There is only one picture of Bigfoot and it was proven fake on Discovery Channel.

There was a guy named Wallace who admitted to being Bigfoot and hoaxing all the sightings by dressing up as Bigfoot.

Just some observations, food for thought, prove me wrong guys.

Wallace never admitted to anything. That he "confessed" on his death bed is an urban legand. Prove me wrong with a documented citation.

Brian-M · 30th October 2011, 04:50 PM

Of course Bigfoot is real. I saw him on Futurama, so he must exist.

But there are many photos of Bigfoot that aren't faked. Here's one...

Gawdzilla · 30th October 2011, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Brian-M

Of course Bigfoot is real. I saw him on Futurama, so he must exist.

But there are many photos of Bigfoot that aren't faked. Here's one...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...x-Big_foot.JPG

You can see Bigfoot every day, where Lindbergh crosses I-270 in St. Louis.

Jungle Jim · 30th October 2011, 05:21 PM

Mr. Wilkox: If you had spent any time lurking on this site you would have found several threads regarding Bigfoot already in progress. I don't know why you felt your first post should be a new thread about this phenomenon, especially since it offers nothing new, clever or the least bit entertaining.

Jack Wilkox · 30th October 2011, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by RedRatSnake

They cover up there tracks

Bigfoot is self generating

There was the Jacobs picture of a juvenile BF

Wallace made up the story that he made those tracks

“We are the facilitators of our own creative evolution.”

Bigfoot covering tracks - that kind of assumes bigfoot is always thinking about hiding. Thats more like an excuse that researchers use for never being able to find it. Also if you were bigfoot and you were the boss of the woods then why would you feel the need to hide? Even more interesting, why would you leave huge stick structures but hide footprints. And if bigfoot is always thinking about hiding from humans and so it covers its tracks, if it lives in the middle of nowhere there should be no humans to worry about so why hide?

Jacob - do you have a picture of a juvenile bigfoot? you should share it and give it to a bigfoot researcher.

Wallace - he admitted he was the man in the suit in the Bigfoot picture.

Jack Wilkox · 30th October 2011, 05:28 PM

Its a good question though you have to admit Jungle Jim. Where is bigfoot?

Jack Wilkox · 30th October 2011, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by ScannerHead

Wallace never admitted to anything. That he "confessed" on his death bed is an urban legand. Prove me wrong with a documented citation.

It wont let me post a URL yet but theres the photo of Wallace holding the bigfoot boots and talking about being the man behind the suit.

RedRatSnake · 30th October 2011, 05:46 PM

Not only do they cover there tracks, but BF can send out a sonic blast that will confuse a person and make em crap there pants, there also masters of the pine cone throwing technique and have been known to weave blankets.

Mudcat · 30th October 2011, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Wilkox

It wont let me post a URL yet but theres the photo of Wallace holding the bigfoot boots and talking about being the man behind the suit.

Let me stop you right there by saying you are off to a bad start right there. You can't just say there a photo, have to source it as well. That's because the days of 'photo or it didn't happen' are over with. That's because of the wide availability of photo manipulation software like Photoshop, Gimp, Coreal, etc.

It's not that we think that you yourself altered a photo but it's entirely possible you got taken in by one.

GT/CS · 30th October 2011, 06:01 PM

There is so much wrong with the OP that I'm guessing Troll

RedRatSnake · 30th October 2011, 06:19 PM

Ya i'll go with that

John Albert · 30th October 2011, 06:24 PM

"Deliberately obtuse" is the phrase that comes to mind.

AlaskaBushPilot · 30th October 2011, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by GT/CS

There is so much wrong with the OP that I'm guessing Troll

Defense department social media "bot". Beta version. It is creating a profile based on open-source data harvesting, and it can sound a little mixed up until it adjusts from a random start position to its equilibrium settings.

Cheetah · 30th October 2011, 11:25 PM

But bigfoot is real, and there are MANY of them. Ever since the invention of the disposable razor they have moved out of the woods and infiltrated our society. The ones sometimes spotted at a distance in the wild are the die-hard conservatives of the species, there are not many of those though.

Roger Ramjets · 31st October 2011, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Wilkox

If Bigfoot was real, where are the tracks?

Pointless question. If tracks are found, they will not be evidence that Bigfoot exists. Bigfoot is a Cryptid, a type of paranormal phenomena. But the Paranormal does not exist by definition, therefore Bigfoot cannot exist!

Muldur · 31st October 2011, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Wilkox

It wont let me post a URL yet but theres the photo of Wallace holding the bigfoot boots and talking about being the man behind the suit.

Which proves exactly NOTHING. BF has been seen (and it's tracks) in many places over many many years, starting well before Wallace was born and continuing until today, well after his death. Unless you are proposing Wallace possessed both cloning technology AND time travel technology to allow him to traverse 1000s of miles an centuries of time.

In addition, Dr Jeff Meldrum, in his book "Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science" researched the claim that Wallace MIGHT have been responsible for a limited number of tracks in a particular place and time, and blows said claim (actually made by his kids) straight out of the water.

Muldur · 31st October 2011, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets

Pointless question. If tracks are found, they will not be evidence that Bigfoot exists. Bigfoot is a Cryptid, a type of paranormal phenomena. But the Paranormal does not exist by definition, therefore Bigfoot cannot exist!

Circular reasoning fallacy.

River · 31st October 2011, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by Muldur

Which proves exactly NOTHING. BF has been seen (and it's tracks) in many places over many many years, starting well before Wallace was born and continuing until today, well after his death. Unless you are proposing Wallace possessed both cloning technology AND time travel technology to allow him to traverse 1000s of miles an centuries of time.

In addition, Dr Jeff Meldrum, in his book "Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science" researched the claim that Wallace MIGHT have been responsible for a limited number of tracks in a particular place and time, and blows said claim (actually made by his kids) straight out of the water.

Meldrums theory about that is laughable, just like the theory that there is a 8-9 foot 400 lb ape undetected walking around the north american continent.

People claim to see all kinds of stuff. I'm starting to wonder if Meldrum is playing along or if he's really just refusing to see real evidence in a historic case of confirmation bias. Note the crack on the heel is visible in the print he says was made "after the fact"

Wow, nice attention to detail that Wallace. Making the wood crack there and stuff.

Meldrums attention to detail is....... sad.

LTC8K6 · 31st October 2011, 05:43 AM

Quote:

BF has been seen (and it's tracks) in many places over many many years

None of which has ever been confirmed...such is only worth anything in informal conversations between people discussing the subject.

It's worth zero to science.

Wallace is confirmed. Wallace's tracks are definitely in bigfoot publications as examples of genuine tracks. Wallace's tracks have definitely been extolled by prominent bigfoot experts as genuine. To this day, in fact, Wallace tracks are held up as genuine by bigfoot proponents.

Muldur · 31st October 2011, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by River

Meldrums theory about that is laughable, just like the theory that there is a 8-9 foot 400 lb ape undetected walking around the north american continent.

Argument from ridicule.

Quote:

People claim to see all kinds of stuff. I'm starting to wonder if Meldrum is playing along or if he's really just refusing to see real evidence in a historic case of confirmation bias. Note the crack on the heel is visible in the print he says was made "after the fact"

There is of course the possibility that he, utilizing scientific and other professional expertise, is aware of data that you are not. Have you personally examined the same tracks and the alleged stompers?

Quote:

Meldrums attention to detail is....... sad.

Good enough to catch the fact that the anatomic landmarks and other biometric indicators of the alleged stompers do not match those of casts the actual tracks taken in the wild. They DO possess similarities to the presentation casts that were given to various persons (including Wallace), which were altered with by adding clay before reproduction to improve their appearance.

Muldur · 31st October 2011, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by LTC8K6

None of which has ever been confirmed...such is only worth anything in informal conversations between people discussing the subject.

It's worth zero to science.

Funny, last I looked, Drs Meldrum, et al had plenty of scientific degrees and expertise, and they find great value in at least some of those tracks.

Quote:

Wallace is confirmed.

False, as documented by various sources, including Dr Meldrum.

Quote:

Wallace's tracks are definitely in bigfoot publications as examples of genuine tracks. Wallace's tracks have definitely been extolled by prominent bigfoot experts as genuine. To this day, in fact, Wallace tracks are held up as genuine by bigfoot proponents.

There has not been a single shred of evidence presented that evidentiarily links any field-cast track to any alleged "Wallace stomper". There have been many unsubstantiated claims by Skeptics of such, but no evidence has been forthcoming.

Resume · 31st October 2011, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by Muldur

Which proves exactly NOTHING. BF has been seen (and it's tracks) in many places over many many years

So where are the bigfoot trails? I can show you game trails left by deer, elk, caribou, etc, shouldn't something the alleged size of footie leave a mark?

LTC8K6 · 31st October 2011, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by Muldur

Funny, last I looked, Drs Meldrum, et al had plenty of scientific degrees and expertise, and they find great value in at least some of those tracks.

False, as documented by various sources, including Dr Meldrum.

There has not been a single shred of evidence presented that evidentiarily links any field-cast track to any alleged "Wallace stomper". There have been many unsubstantiated claims by Skeptics of such, but no evidence has been forthcoming.

Fortunately most of us live in the real world, where what I wrote is true, and actually generous to footers.

LTC8K6 · 31st October 2011, 06:44 AM

Muldur, I hate to break it to you, but this is a fake sasquatch footprint. About as obvious as it can get, too.

Skeptics aren't the only ones to notice.

RedRatSnake · 31st October 2011, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by River

People claim to see all kinds of stuff. I'm starting to wonder if Meldrum is playing along or if he's really just refusing to see real evidence in a historic case of confirmation bias.

He is just going with it, there is no way to keep face and back down at this point he is way too deep into it.

Penemue · 31st October 2011, 07:55 AM

Probably there is no such thing as Bigfoot.
But since he doesn't ask for tithes, I don't mind people believing in him so much.

RedRatSnake · 31st October 2011, 08:34 AM

I got too say it is a fun subject, and it's even better hearing about all the super powers BF have, i am kinda jealous i don't have any of those, Man laser beam eyes would be awesome to help me cut threw sheet metal instead of using snips.

mikeyx · 31st October 2011, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Muldur

Which proves exactly NOTHING. BF has been seen (and it's tracks) in many places over many many years, starting well before Wallace was born and continuing until today, well after his death. Unless you are proposing Wallace possessed both cloning technology AND time travel technology to allow him to traverse 1000s of miles an centuries of time.

In addition, Dr Jeff Meldrum, in his book "Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science" researched the claim that Wallace MIGHT have been responsible for a limited number of tracks in a particular place and time, and blows said claim (actually made by his kids) straight out of the water.

Meldrum is as RRS beat me to, damaged goods at this point. He has dubious side income as a celebrity and constantly dead horse of accredited scientist when you refuse to hear the opinions of yet another accredited scientist (saskeptic), you just come off looking silly.

Since you're here; here it is:

Noll: Trying to stay relevant visa vie the skookum elk lay
Meldrum: compromised due to a number of factors, money being one

mikeyx · 31st October 2011, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Muldur

Funny, last I looked, Drs Meldrum, et al had plenty of scientific degrees and expertise, and they find great value in at least some of those tracks.

False, as documented by various sources, including Dr Meldrum.

There has not been a single shred of evidence presented that evidentiarily links any field-cast track to any alleged "Wallace stomper". There have been many unsubstantiated claims by Skeptics of such, but no evidence has been forthcoming.

It's almost amusing how you have to give Meldrum a plug in every post seemingly. He's not entirely credible on the subject, and I actually have an open mind to the subject as a whole. It's the online stuff that is 99% BS and that is where Meldrum makes his side income.

River · 31st October 2011, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Muldur

Funny, last I looked, Drs Meldrum, et al had plenty of scientific degrees and expertise, and they find great value in at least some of those tracks.

False, as documented by various sources, including Dr Meldrum.

There has not been a single shred of evidence presented that evidentiarily links any field-cast track to any alleged "Wallace stomper". There have been many unsubstantiated claims by Skeptics of such, but no evidence has been forthcoming.

Which planet are you on Muldur? Here is a little bit in case you've been hiding for the last 50 years or so.

Blackdog · 31st October 2011, 11:46 AM

He's seen that and he knows that, he won't admit it on the BFF and he certainly won't admit it here.

Meldrum thinks they are real and that's all that matters to Mulder because in Mulder's mind Melrum is infallible.

The Shrike · 31st October 2011, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Blackdog

. . . in Mulder's mind Melrum is infallible.

Now I wanna see Meldrum's face Photoshopped on a cover of Tiger Beat magazine. Get to it, JREF!

Muldur, don't say I never did anything nice for you . . .

River · 31st October 2011, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by The Shrike

Now I wanna see Meldrum's face Photoshopped on a cover of Tiger Beat magazine. Get to it, JREF!

Muldur, don't say I never did anything nice for you . . .

rofl

Jack Wilkox · 31st October 2011, 02:13 PM

I believe Wallace even tricked Jeff Meldrum. I recall Meldrum saying he had a real cast, but then it turned out to have been faked by Wallace himself. Roger Wallace also filmed the Patterson film so how can that film be trusted?

Jack Wilkox · 31st October 2011, 02:15 PM

Also if they hide their tracks, why do they smash trees and make stick buildings and twist sticks? Seems almost like he wants to be found.

ScannerHead · 31st October 2011, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Wilkox

I believe Wallace even tricked Jeff Meldrum. I recall Meldrum saying he had a real cast, but then it turned out to have been faked by Wallace himself. Roger Wallace also filmed the Patterson film so how can that film be trusted?

Just HOW THE HELL did Wallace film "Roger Patterson's Film"?

What conversation are you in?

The Shrike · 31st October 2011, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by River

rofl

I enjoyed that even more than I thought I would.

30th October 2011, 04:09 PM	#1
Jack Wilkox New Blood Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 10	Bigfoot is NOT real If Bigfoot was real, where are the tracks? How could there be one Bigfoot? Doesnt it ever die? There is only one picture of Bigfoot and it was proven fake on Discovery Channel. There was a guy named Wallace who admitted to being Bigfoot and hoaxing all the sightings by dressing up as Bigfoot. Also he hoaxed crop circles with a lawn mower, they showed it I believe on Discovery Channel. Just some observations, food for thought, prove me wrong guys.
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30th October 2011, 04:16 PM	#2
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30th October 2011, 04:47 PM	#4
ScannerHead Scholar Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 101	Originally Posted by Jack Wilkox There is only one picture of Bigfoot and it was proven fake on Discovery Channel. There was a guy named Wallace who admitted to being Bigfoot and hoaxing all the sightings by dressing up as Bigfoot. Just some observations, food for thought, prove me wrong guys. Wallace never admitted to anything. That he "confessed" on his death bed is an urban legand. Prove me wrong with a documented citation.
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30th October 2011, 04:50 PM	#5
Brian-M Daydreamer Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Downunder Posts: 4,290	Of course Bigfoot is real. I saw him on Futurama, so he must exist. But there are many photos of Bigfoot that aren't faked. Here's one...
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30th October 2011, 04:17 PM	#3
RedRatSnake Slithering Through life Join Date: May 2008 Location: Southie, Massachusetts. Posts: 1,625	Originally Posted by Jack Wilkox If Bigfoot was real, where are the tracks? How could there be one Bigfoot? Doesnt it ever die? There is only one picture of Bigfoot and it was proven fake on Discovery Channel. There was a guy named Wallace who admitted to being Bigfoot and hoaxing all the sightings by dressing up as Bigfoot. Also he hoaxed crop circles with a lawn mower, they showed it I believe on Discovery Channel. Just some observations, food for thought, prove me wrong guys. They cover up there tracks Bigfoot is self generating There was the Jacobs picture of a juvenile BF Wallace made up the story that he made those tracks “We are the facilitators of our own creative evolution.”

30th October 2011, 05:21 PM	#7
Jungle Jim Muse Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 630	Mr. Wilkox: If you had spent any time lurking on this site you would have found several threads regarding Bigfoot already in progress. I don't know why you felt your first post should be a new thread about this phenomenon, especially since it offers nothing new, clever or the least bit entertaining.
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30th October 2011, 05:27 PM	#8
Jack Wilkox New Blood Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 10	Originally Posted by RedRatSnake They cover up there tracks Bigfoot is self generating There was the Jacobs picture of a juvenile BF Wallace made up the story that he made those tracks “We are the facilitators of our own creative evolution.” Bigfoot covering tracks - that kind of assumes bigfoot is always thinking about hiding. Thats more like an excuse that researchers use for never being able to find it. Also if you were bigfoot and you were the boss of the woods then why would you feel the need to hide? Even more interesting, why would you leave huge stick structures but hide footprints. And if bigfoot is always thinking about hiding from humans and so it covers its tracks, if it lives in the middle of nowhere there should be no humans to worry about so why hide? Jacob - do you have a picture of a juvenile bigfoot? you should share it and give it to a bigfoot researcher. Wallace - he admitted he was the man in the suit in the Bigfoot picture.
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30th October 2011, 05:28 PM	#9
Jack Wilkox New Blood Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 10	Its a good question though you have to admit Jungle Jim. Where is bigfoot?
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30th October 2011, 05:33 PM	#10
Jack Wilkox New Blood Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 10	Originally Posted by ScannerHead Wallace never admitted to anything. That he "confessed" on his death bed is an urban legand. Prove me wrong with a documented citation. It wont let me post a URL yet but theres the photo of Wallace holding the bigfoot boots and talking about being the man behind the suit.
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30th October 2011, 05:46 PM	#11
RedRatSnake Slithering Through life Join Date: May 2008 Location: Southie, Massachusetts. Posts: 1,625	Not only do they cover there tracks, but BF can send out a sonic blast that will confuse a person and make em crap there pants, there also masters of the pine cone throwing technique and have been known to weave blankets.

30th October 2011, 05:55 PM	#12
Mudcat Man of a Thousand Memes Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 3,687	Originally Posted by Jack Wilkox It wont let me post a URL yet but theres the photo of Wallace holding the bigfoot boots and talking about being the man behind the suit. Let me stop you right there by saying you are off to a bad start right there. You can't just say there a photo, have to source it as well. That's because the days of 'photo or it didn't happen' are over with. That's because of the wide availability of photo manipulation software like Photoshop, Gimp, Coreal, etc. It's not that we think that you yourself altered a photo but it's entirely possible you got taken in by one.
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30th October 2011, 06:01 PM	#13
GT/CS Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,592	There is so much wrong with the OP that I'm guessing Troll
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30th October 2011, 06:19 PM	#14
RedRatSnake Slithering Through life Join Date: May 2008 Location: Southie, Massachusetts. Posts: 1,625	Ya i'll go with that

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John Albert Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,143	"Deliberately obtuse" is the phrase that comes to mind.
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AlaskaBushPilot Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,609	Originally Posted by GT/CS There is so much wrong with the OP that I'm guessing Troll Defense department social media "bot". Beta version. It is creating a profile based on open-source data harvesting, and it can sound a little mixed up until it adjusts from a random start position to its equilibrium settings.

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Cheetah Thinker Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Africa Posts: 126	But bigfoot is real, and there are MANY of them. Ever since the invention of the disposable razor they have moved out of the woods and infiltrated our society. The ones sometimes spotted at a distance in the wild are the die-hard conservatives of the species, there are not many of those though.
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Roger Ramjets Muse Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 717	Originally Posted by Jack Wilkox If Bigfoot was real, where are the tracks? Pointless question. If tracks are found, they will not be evidence that Bigfoot exists. Bigfoot is a Cryptid, a type of paranormal phenomena. But the Paranormal does not exist by definition, therefore Bigfoot cannot exist!
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31st October 2011, 12:38 AM	#19
Muldur Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,973	Originally Posted by Jack Wilkox It wont let me post a URL yet but theres the photo of Wallace holding the bigfoot boots and talking about being the man behind the suit. Which proves exactly NOTHING. BF has been seen (and it's tracks) in many places over many many years, starting well before Wallace was born and continuing until today, well after his death. Unless you are proposing Wallace possessed both cloning technology AND time travel technology to allow him to traverse 1000s of miles an centuries of time. In addition, Dr Jeff Meldrum, in his book "Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science" researched the claim that Wallace MIGHT have been responsible for a limited number of tracks in a particular place and time, and blows said claim (actually made by his kids) straight out of the water.
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31st October 2011, 12:39 AM	#20
Muldur Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,973	Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets Pointless question. If tracks are found, they will not be evidence that Bigfoot exists. Bigfoot is a Cryptid, a type of paranormal phenomena. But the Paranormal does not exist by definition, therefore Bigfoot cannot exist! Circular reasoning fallacy.
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31st October 2011, 12:47 AM	#21
River Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,666	Originally Posted by Muldur Which proves exactly NOTHING. BF has been seen (and it's tracks) in many places over many many years, starting well before Wallace was born and continuing until today, well after his death. Unless you are proposing Wallace possessed both cloning technology AND time travel technology to allow him to traverse 1000s of miles an centuries of time. In addition, Dr Jeff Meldrum, in his book "Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science" researched the claim that Wallace MIGHT have been responsible for a limited number of tracks in a particular place and time, and blows said claim (actually made by his kids) straight out of the water. Meldrums theory about that is laughable, just like the theory that there is a 8-9 foot 400 lb ape undetected walking around the north american continent. People claim to see all kinds of stuff. I'm starting to wonder if Meldrum is playing along or if he's really just refusing to see real evidence in a historic case of confirmation bias. Note the crack on the heel is visible in the print he says was made "after the fact" Wow, nice attention to detail that Wallace. Making the wood crack there and stuff. Meldrums attention to detail is....... sad.
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31st October 2011, 05:51 AM	#23
Muldur Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,973	Originally Posted by River Meldrums theory about that is laughable, just like the theory that there is a 8-9 foot 400 lb ape undetected walking around the north american continent. Argument from ridicule. Quote: People claim to see all kinds of stuff. I'm starting to wonder if Meldrum is playing along or if he's really just refusing to see real evidence in a historic case of confirmation bias. Note the crack on the heel is visible in the print he says was made "after the fact" There is of course the possibility that he, utilizing scientific and other professional expertise, is aware of data that you are not. Have you personally examined the same tracks and the alleged stompers? Quote: Meldrums attention to detail is....... sad. Good enough to catch the fact that the anatomic landmarks and other biometric indicators of the alleged stompers do not match those of casts the actual tracks taken in the wild. They DO possess similarities to the presentation casts that were given to various persons (including Wallace), which were altered with by adding clay before reproduction to improve their appearance.
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31st October 2011, 05:55 AM	#24
Muldur Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,973	Originally Posted by LTC8K6 None of which has ever been confirmed...such is only worth anything in informal conversations between people discussing the subject. It's worth zero to science. Funny, last I looked, Drs Meldrum, et al had plenty of scientific degrees and expertise, and they find great value in at least some of those tracks. Quote: Wallace is confirmed. False, as documented by various sources, including Dr Meldrum. Quote: Wallace's tracks are definitely in bigfoot publications as examples of genuine tracks. Wallace's tracks have definitely been extolled by prominent bigfoot experts as genuine. To this day, in fact, Wallace tracks are held up as genuine by bigfoot proponents. There has not been a single shred of evidence presented that evidentiarily links any field-cast track to any alleged "Wallace stomper". There have been many unsubstantiated claims by Skeptics of such, but no evidence has been forthcoming.
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31st October 2011, 05:57 AM	#25
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,039	Originally Posted by Muldur Which proves exactly NOTHING. BF has been seen (and it's tracks) in many places over many many years So where are the bigfoot trails? I can show you game trails left by deer, elk, caribou, etc, shouldn't something the alleged size of footie leave a mark?
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31st October 2011, 06:41 AM	#26
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,695	Originally Posted by Muldur Funny, last I looked, Drs Meldrum, et al had plenty of scientific degrees and expertise, and they find great value in at least some of those tracks. False, as documented by various sources, including Dr Meldrum. There has not been a single shred of evidence presented that evidentiarily links any field-cast track to any alleged "Wallace stomper". There have been many unsubstantiated claims by Skeptics of such, but no evidence has been forthcoming. Fortunately most of us live in the real world, where what I wrote is true, and actually generous to footers.
	__________________ What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away. What seems to be, is always better than nothing. 2 prints, same midtarsal crock..., I mean break?

31st October 2011, 06:44 AM	#27
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,695	Muldur, I hate to break it to you, but this is a fake sasquatch footprint. About as obvious as it can get, too. Skeptics aren't the only ones to notice.
	__________________ What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away. What seems to be, is always better than nothing. 2 prints, same midtarsal crock..., I mean break? Last edited by LTC8K6; 31st October 2011 at 06:45 AM.

31st October 2011, 07:09 AM	#28
RedRatSnake Slithering Through life Join Date: May 2008 Location: Southie, Massachusetts. Posts: 1,625	Originally Posted by River People claim to see all kinds of stuff. I'm starting to wonder if Meldrum is playing along or if he's really just refusing to see real evidence in a historic case of confirmation bias. He is just going with it, there is no way to keep face and back down at this point he is way too deep into it.

31st October 2011, 07:55 AM	#29
Penemue Scholar Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 109	Probably there is no such thing as Bigfoot. But since he doesn't ask for tithes, I don't mind people believing in him so much.
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31st October 2011, 08:34 AM	#30
RedRatSnake Slithering Through life Join Date: May 2008 Location: Southie, Massachusetts. Posts: 1,625	I got too say it is a fun subject, and it's even better hearing about all the super powers BF have, i am kinda jealous i don't have any of those, Man laser beam eyes would be awesome to help me cut threw sheet metal instead of using snips.

31st October 2011, 11:13 AM	#31
mikeyx Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,570	Originally Posted by Muldur Which proves exactly NOTHING. BF has been seen (and it's tracks) in many places over many many years, starting well before Wallace was born and continuing until today, well after his death. Unless you are proposing Wallace possessed both cloning technology AND time travel technology to allow him to traverse 1000s of miles an centuries of time. In addition, Dr Jeff Meldrum, in his book "Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science" researched the claim that Wallace MIGHT have been responsible for a limited number of tracks in a particular place and time, and blows said claim (actually made by his kids) straight out of the water. Meldrum is as RRS beat me to, damaged goods at this point. He has dubious side income as a celebrity and constantly dead horse of accredited scientist when you refuse to hear the opinions of yet another accredited scientist (saskeptic), you just come off looking silly. Since you're here; here it is: Noll: Trying to stay relevant visa vie the skookum elk lay Meldrum: compromised due to a number of factors, money being one
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31st October 2011, 11:20 AM	#32
mikeyx Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,570	Originally Posted by Muldur Funny, last I looked, Drs Meldrum, et al had plenty of scientific degrees and expertise, and they find great value in at least some of those tracks. False, as documented by various sources, including Dr Meldrum. There has not been a single shred of evidence presented that evidentiarily links any field-cast track to any alleged "Wallace stomper". There have been many unsubstantiated claims by Skeptics of such, but no evidence has been forthcoming. It's almost amusing how you have to give Meldrum a plug in every post seemingly. He's not entirely credible on the subject, and I actually have an open mind to the subject as a whole. It's the online stuff that is 99% BS and that is where Meldrum makes his side income.
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31st October 2011, 11:29 AM	#33
River Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,666	Originally Posted by Muldur Funny, last I looked, Drs Meldrum, et al had plenty of scientific degrees and expertise, and they find great value in at least some of those tracks. False, as documented by various sources, including Dr Meldrum. There has not been a single shred of evidence presented that evidentiarily links any field-cast track to any alleged "Wallace stomper". There have been many unsubstantiated claims by Skeptics of such, but no evidence has been forthcoming. Which planet are you on Muldur? Here is a little bit in case you've been hiding for the last 50 years or so.
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31st October 2011, 11:46 AM	#34
Blackdog Critical Thinker Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 470	He's seen that and he knows that, he won't admit it on the BFF and he certainly won't admit it here. Meldrum thinks they are real and that's all that matters to Mulder because in Mulder's mind Melrum is infallible.
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31st October 2011, 12:00 PM	#35
The Shrike Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: USA Posts: 1,818	Originally Posted by Blackdog . . . in Mulder's mind Melrum is infallible. Now I wanna see Meldrum's face Photoshopped on a cover of Tiger Beat magazine. Get to it, JREF! Muldur, don't say I never did anything nice for you . . .