[Merged] The "official story" meme. - Page 3

Miragememories · 13th November 2011, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Zeuzzz

I dont think anyone else does either

Don't you have a fantasy ~~world~~, game, to return to?

I mean besides the one you are already living.

MM

NoahFence · 13th November 2011, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Miragememories

Don't you have a fantasy ~~world~~, game, to return to?

I mean besides the one you are already living.

MM

If that's not the most asinine statement coming from a truther I don't know what is.

See - that's proof right there. You don't believe a damn thing you're saying. None of it. You're ONLY here to be contrary.

Why not just say so?

LSSBB · 13th November 2011, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Miragememories

When?

Now.

Tomorrow.

The next day.

You think life is sweet?

Don't hold your breath Bubba.

MM

I've already seen the consequences of 9/11/2001, from my point of view: opportunist politicians on one hand and opportunist Conspiracy Theorists on the other hand have contributed to create an increasingly polarized nation, and have given fuel for foreign nations opposed to us. The resulting wars from the event have sapped national resources and furthered polarization, at a time when a global economic crisis has most necessitated collaborative approaches inside and between nations worldwide.

The Platypus · 13th November 2011, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Miragememories

When?

Now.

Tomorrow.

The next day.

You think life is sweet?

Don't hold your breath Bubba.

MM

Life is sweet indeed! I don't live in fear and paranoid delusions that everything is some evil plot, like you cult members do. Just because your life sucks doesn't mean everyone else's does too.

Zeuzzz · 13th November 2011, 03:57 PM

I'm ever so slightly devastated by this MM.

I thought we were like truther buddies 4 eva and eva?

The Platypus · 13th November 2011, 03:59 PM

This is hilarious, MM and Zeuzzz are having a kook fight...

Miragememories · 13th November 2011, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

If that's not the most asinine statement coming from a truther I don't know what is.

See - that's proof right there. You don't believe a damn thing you're saying. None of it. You're ONLY here to be contrary.

Why not just say so?

Well I certainly won't question your expertise in conjuring up asinine statements.

MM

Miragememories · 13th November 2011, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Zeuzzz

I'm ever so slightly devastated by this MM.

I thought we were like truther buddies 4 eva and eva?

And I just knew that fence was too slippery for you.

MM

Zeuzzz · 13th November 2011, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by The Platypus

This is hilarious, MM and Zeuzzz are having a kook fight...

I'm still crying. This whole situation has hit me very hard.

NoahFence · 13th November 2011, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by The Platypus

Life is sweet indeed! I don't live in fear and paranoid delusions that everything is some evil plot, like you cult members do. Just because your life sucks doesn't mean everyone else's does too.

^^
This.

NoahFence · 13th November 2011, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Miragememories

Well I certainly won't question your expertise in conjuring up asinine statements.

MM

You would do good not to. I've learned what they are from reading the drivel of you and your kind.

Name one thing I've EVER said that was inaccurate.

A W Smith · 13th November 2011, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by The Platypus

Life is sweet indeed! I don't live in fear and paranoid delusions that everything is some evil plot, like you cult members do. Just because your life sucks doesn't mean everyone else's does too.

^^^^^ This needs repeating, Merry Melodies, a Canadian, worries so much about conspiratorial sociopolitical consequences while I, A born in the USA American lives a sweet life, Just yesterday my neighbor was mentioning how he admired my lifestyle, Working when I want, On projects I choose, Coming home to my lovely wife, Relaxing on my couch in an overly warm home we own in good health, Listening to my obscure unpopular MP3s on my netbook ( my musical taste is ANTI pop) through my surround sound as we conversed and laughing at the idiocy of the paranoid on the internet.

fuelair · 13th November 2011, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by The Platypus

What's up with that?

What official story? Nobody ever told me any "official story", and harping on the word "official" doesn't make me go all paranoid.

Actually, news agencies and gov't agencies at all levels tell you the official story every day - it is part of their function and often bears a reasonable relationship to the truth. However, as a meme. the phrase means the person using it believes the official version is usually or always a lie, a coverup, riddled with errors or some combination of those. Occasionally this turns out to be true - especially depending on the country and topic involved.

Cl1mh4224rd · 13th November 2011, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by ozeco41

Is there a term for the hybrid which results when you cross breed a strawman with a set of moving goalposts?

Strawman in motion?

LSSBB · 13th November 2011, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd

Strawman in motion?

Scorecrow?

beachnut · 13th November 2011, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Miragememories

... I do not expect my actions to have any impact on the outcome of the future we all will face.
... MM

Too late, my actions have had an impact on the outcome of the future. oops

911 truth claims will have an impact on the future; provide a few scam artists like Gage, Balsamo and other 911 truth beggars with some coin. 911 truth depends on ignorance of others.

911 truth has to have an official story, which they never explain or understand. The official story helps keep up 911 truth's fantasy world, and profits/donations. 10 years down, infinite failure ahead.

madfoot · 13th November 2011, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by ozeco41

Interesting shift of goalposts madfoot.

What goalposts? I haven't changed my position in this topic yet.

Originally Posted by sylvan8798

Contrary to popular truther opinion everyone does not get to have their own unique version of the events of the day. One set of events transpired.

To be clear, when I said it supports the claims of the truthers, I didn't mean it supports their conspiracy theories. I just meant it supports the official story "meme".

Foolmewunz · 13th November 2011, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd

Strawman in motion?

Originally Posted by LSSBB

Scorecrow?

It's that renowned Truther OU device, the Perpetual Strawman.

ozeco41 · 14th November 2011, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by madfoot

What goalposts? I haven't changed my position in this topic yet.
.

Hint - don't tell little pork pies when the evidence is in the very post you respond to AND available for all to see.

If you must do it it's best to wait several days so that most readers will have forgotten:
A - what you claimed before you shifted the goalposts; AND
B - What you claimed after the shift.
...otherwise they can see not only that you shifted ground but exactly how far.

The Platypus · 14th November 2011, 09:07 PM

So if what happened is an "official story", would conspiracy theories be the "unofficial stories"?

Clayton Moore · 15th November 2011, 02:38 AM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

We call it "what actually happened".

...beat me to it Dave!

Amazing. You're talking about a government that has officially lied to the public countless times and, as far as I know, never officially acknowledged any wrong doing.

You're talking about an elected government that has officially dismantled America into 21st century feudalism.

twinstead · 15th November 2011, 03:33 AM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

Amazing. You're talking about a government that has officially lied to the public countless times and, as far as I know, never officially acknowledged any wrong doing.

You're talking about an elected government that has officially dismantled America into 21st century feudalism.

And you're letting blind, mindless ideology get in the way of rational thought. I don't believe the government was behind 9-11 due to the preponderance of evidence, not because I think they can do no wrong. Wake up.

Oystein · 15th November 2011, 03:42 AM

I wish the Government would declare officially that the Government always lies. This should make minds like Clayton's explode.

Dave Rogers · 15th November 2011, 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

You're talking about an elected government that has officially dismantled America into 21st century feudalism.

Did you get permission from the lord of your manor to post that?

Dave

Travis · 15th November 2011, 05:01 AM

All the talk about an "official story" from Truthers makes way more sense when you realize that they pretty much believe anything their conspiracy theory leaders say no questions asked.

Then they turn around and figure that everyone else in the world operates with the same cognitive dysfunction.

twinstead · 15th November 2011, 05:06 AM

Originally Posted by Travis

All the talk about an "official story" from Truthers makes way more sense when you realize that they pretty much believe anything their conspiracy theory leaders say no questions asked.

Then they turn around and figure that everyone else in the world operates with the same cognitive dysfunction.

Are you implying that truthers don't apply the same scrutiny to things that appear to support their position as they do to things that don't?

I'm shocked. SHOCKED I SAY!

sheeplesnshills · 15th November 2011, 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by Miragememories

An apt description of 9/11.

Sir Walter Scott had a good view of the future.

MM

Yes its a pity however that you have a lessor grasp of reality.

The Platypus · 15th November 2011, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

Amazing. You're talking about a government that has officially lied to the public countless times and, as far as I know, never officially acknowledged any wrong doing.

You're talking about an elected government that has officially dismantled America into 21st century feudalism.

Gee, I knew sooner or later some CTer would pull this out of their bag of tricks and you recited that meme perfect... You are well trained...

I got news for you, sometimes the government does lie and the only one that seem shocked and new to knowing this are CTers.

I got more news for you, many many people on the internet lie even more than the gov't does. Infact, I got more news for you, sometimes all people lie, you, me, everyone. CTers are using this mantra to trying to cover up that they believe what joe shmoes' on the internet have told them, so they project it onto everyone else with this pathetic claim that it's everyone else are the ones believing the gov't without question. And this overly simplistic view that because the gov't has lied in the past, everything they say must be a lie, is quite a childish tactic as well.

Meanwhile some of the the biggest liars I have ever seen are 911 cults. They don't even just lie sometimes, they do nothing but lie and go even further, they are trying to live in their lies, and indoctrinate everyone to live their lies too. They roam around lying to everyone constantly, they lie far far more than the average person or even the gov't does. And 911 cult members also never ever ever acknowledge any wrong doing or even the slightest insignificant mistake, about anything they do or say or claim. They pretend to be know it alls, sole holders of all "truth", full of arrogance always proclaiming themselves superior in everything over everyone else.

We're talking about an unofficial delusional cult that uses lies and fear to attempt to take over an official elected gov't so they can dismantle America completely.

So if i should never listen to the gov't for these reasons, then I should definitely never ever listen to 911 cults...

The Platypus · 15th November 2011, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by Travis

All the talk about an "official story" from Truthers makes way more sense when you realize that they pretty much believe anything their conspiracy theory leaders say no questions asked.

Then they turn around and figure that everyone else in the world operates with the same cognitive dysfunction.

To add to this, even the term "official story" itself was fed to them, and look how they all recite it like trained minions, they do this with as well with so many other words phrases and sayings they are fed, so much so that talking to them is much it's like talking to programmed robots.

Oystein · 15th November 2011, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by The Platypus

... And 911 cult members also never ever ever acknowledge any wrong doing or even the slightest insignificant mistake, about anything they do or say or claim. ...

Even worse: There is a tacit pact among truthers to never question or criticize each other or point out the false claims and invalid logic employed by fellow truthers, even if their claims and logic are mutually exclusive.

twinstead · 15th November 2011, 10:08 AM

Tacit Pact would SO make a great name for a Jazz band

LSSBB · 15th November 2011, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

Amazing. You're talking about a government that has officially lied to the public countless times and, as far as I know, never officially acknowledged any wrong doing.

As far as you know the U.S. government has never acknowledged wrong doing, because you haven't even bothered to look. Here are two easy to find ones right away:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39456324...d-experiments/

and even better:

http://www.alohaquest.com/archive/apology_full.htm

I especially recommend you read that last one. Its also an apology for overthrowing another government.

The Platypus · 15th November 2011, 11:00 AM

Who wants to buy a Rolex. These are better than the "official" ones, you can't trust the "official" ones, the Rolex company is just trying to make lots money off you by making theirs cost more, you can't trust them, but you can trust me, some guy on the internet.

LSSBB · 15th November 2011, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by The Platypus

Who wants to buy a Rolex. These are better than the "official" ones, you can't trust the "official" ones, the Rolex company is just trying to make lots money off you by making theirs cost more, you can't trust them, but you can trust me, some guy on the internet.

I'll take one. They look just as good, and a whole lot cheaper!

Clayton Moore · 15th November 2011, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by LSSBB

As far as you know the U.S. government has never acknowledged wrong doing, because you haven't even bothered to look. Here are two easy to find ones right away:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39456324...d-experiments/

and even better:

http://www.alohaquest.com/archive/apology_full.htm

I especially recommend you read that last one. Its also an apology for overthrowing another government.

That was great. A century and over a half century later.

LSSBB · 15th November 2011, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

That was great. A century and over a half century later.

Take back your "never"?

The Platypus · 15th November 2011, 12:08 PM

This exemplifies exactly how ridiculously obvious 911 CTers are in their dishonest games.

Clayton joins the thread, immediately reciting the often used game of pointing the finger at the gov't, that they are the liars and they are the ones that never admit to wrong doing. Then after being called on the fact that CTers are famous for this game and for doing this themselves, and even after being proven wrong about the gov't never admitting wrong doing, what does he do? Does he admit to his lies and wrong doing, absolutely not, in the very next post he makes, he just tries dodge out of it, doing exactly what he's pointing the finger at the gov't for.

But it's only the gov't that does these things to trick us, not you 911 CTers... yeaaah riiiight...

Now that's deep deep seeded dishonesty. So deep that these CTer think that nobody can ever or will ever see right through their nonsense and games.

twinstead · 15th November 2011, 12:15 PM

Hey, in the war for "truth", a little dishonesty is sometimes necessary.

minnemouse · 15th November 2011, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by twinstead

Hey, in the war for "truth", a little dishonesty is sometimes necessary.

A little.......?

tfk · 15th November 2011, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by ozeco41

Is there a term for the hybrid which results when you cross breed a strawman with a set of moving goalposts?

"Drunken place-kicker Ray Bolger"?

13th November 2011, 03:39 PM	#81
Miragememories Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 3,758	Originally Posted by Zeuzzz I dont think anyone else does either Don't you have a fantasy ~~world~~, game, to return to? I mean besides the one you are already living. MM
	__________________ "No one said the air at Ground Zero was safe to breathe." -Mark Roberts, 11/5/2007 [The bad air was amazingly confined to the Ground Zero site? "Who knew"] "I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C. that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink." -Christie Todd Whitman, EPA Press Release, 9/18/2001

13th November 2011, 03:43 PM	#82
NoahFence Psycho Kitty Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 9,322	Originally Posted by Miragememories Don't you have a fantasy ~~world~~, game, to return to? I mean besides the one you are already living. MM If that's not the most asinine statement coming from a truther I don't know what is. See - that's proof right there. You don't believe a damn thing you're saying. None of it. You're ONLY here to be contrary. Why not just say so?
	__________________ Our truest life is when we are in our dreams awake. -Henry David Thoreau

13th November 2011, 03:52 PM	#83
LSSBB Devilish Dictionarian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: An elusive house at Bachelor's Grove Cemetery Posts: 4,497	Originally Posted by Miragememories When? Now. Tomorrow. The next day. You think life is sweet? Don't hold your breath Bubba. MM I've already seen the consequences of 9/11/2001, from my point of view: opportunist politicians on one hand and opportunist Conspiracy Theorists on the other hand have contributed to create an increasingly polarized nation, and have given fuel for foreign nations opposed to us. The resulting wars from the event have sapped national resources and furthered polarization, at a time when a global economic crisis has most necessitated collaborative approaches inside and between nations worldwide.
	__________________ "Things that never happened before happen all the time." (Scott Sagan, 1993) "Put down the Wite-Out and step away from the dictionary." (000063, 2012) "Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof." (John Kenneth Galbraith, 1971)

13th November 2011, 03:57 PM	#84
The Platypus Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,787	Originally Posted by Miragememories When? Now. Tomorrow. The next day. You think life is sweet? Don't hold your breath Bubba. MM Life is sweet indeed! I don't live in fear and paranoid delusions that everything is some evil plot, like you cult members do. Just because your life sucks doesn't mean everyone else's does too.
	__________________ I'll go with the qualified experts, over some ranting guy on the internet that claims he has "the truth". Always beware of those that overuse, capitalize and blanket themselves in them word "truth". I may not always know the truth, but i do know when i'm being lied too.

13th November 2011, 03:57 PM	#85
Zeuzzz Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,241	I'm ever so slightly devastated by this MM. I thought we were like truther buddies 4 eva and eva?
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13th November 2011, 03:59 PM	#86
The Platypus Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,787	This is hilarious, MM and Zeuzzz are having a kook fight...
	__________________ I'll go with the qualified experts, over some ranting guy on the internet that claims he has "the truth". Always beware of those that overuse, capitalize and blanket themselves in them word "truth". I may not always know the truth, but i do know when i'm being lied too.

13th November 2011, 04:02 PM	#87
Miragememories Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 3,758	Originally Posted by NoahFence If that's not the most asinine statement coming from a truther I don't know what is. See - that's proof right there. You don't believe a damn thing you're saying. None of it. You're ONLY here to be contrary. Why not just say so? Well I certainly won't question your expertise in conjuring up asinine statements. MM
	__________________ "No one said the air at Ground Zero was safe to breathe." -Mark Roberts, 11/5/2007 [The bad air was amazingly confined to the Ground Zero site? "Who knew"] "I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C. that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink." -Christie Todd Whitman, EPA Press Release, 9/18/2001

13th November 2011, 04:03 PM	#88
Miragememories Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 3,758	Originally Posted by Zeuzzz I'm ever so slightly devastated by this MM. I thought we were like truther buddies 4 eva and eva? And I just knew that fence was too slippery for you. MM
	__________________ "No one said the air at Ground Zero was safe to breathe." -Mark Roberts, 11/5/2007 [The bad air was amazingly confined to the Ground Zero site? "Who knew"] "I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C. that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink." -Christie Todd Whitman, EPA Press Release, 9/18/2001

13th November 2011, 04:11 PM	#89
Zeuzzz Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,241	Originally Posted by The Platypus This is hilarious, MM and Zeuzzz are having a kook fight... I'm still crying. This whole situation has hit me very hard.
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13th November 2011, 04:40 PM	#90
NoahFence Psycho Kitty Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 9,322	Originally Posted by The Platypus Life is sweet indeed! I don't live in fear and paranoid delusions that everything is some evil plot, like you cult members do. Just because your life sucks doesn't mean everyone else's does too. ^^ This.
	__________________ Our truest life is when we are in our dreams awake. -Henry David Thoreau

13th November 2011, 04:41 PM	#91
NoahFence Psycho Kitty Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 9,322	Originally Posted by Miragememories Well I certainly won't question your expertise in conjuring up asinine statements. MM You would do good not to. I've learned what they are from reading the drivel of you and your kind. Name one thing I've EVER said that was inaccurate.
	__________________ Our truest life is when we are in our dreams awake. -Henry David Thoreau

13th November 2011, 05:00 PM	#92
A W Smith Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Jersey Posts: 7,031	Originally Posted by The Platypus Life is sweet indeed! I don't live in fear and paranoid delusions that everything is some evil plot, like you cult members do. Just because your life sucks doesn't mean everyone else's does too. ^^^^^ This needs repeating, Merry Melodies, a Canadian, worries so much about conspiratorial sociopolitical consequences while I, A born in the USA American lives a sweet life, Just yesterday my neighbor was mentioning how he admired my lifestyle, Working when I want, On projects I choose, Coming home to my lovely wife, Relaxing on my couch in an overly warm home we own in good health, Listening to my obscure unpopular MP3s on my netbook ( my musical taste is ANTI pop) through my surround sound as we conversed and laughing at the idiocy of the paranoid on the internet.
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13th November 2011, 05:50 PM	#93
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961	Originally Posted by The Platypus What's up with that? What official story? Nobody ever told me any "official story", and harping on the word "official" doesn't make me go all paranoid. Actually, news agencies and gov't agencies at all levels tell you the official story every day - it is part of their function and often bears a reasonable relationship to the truth. However, as a meme. the phrase means the person using it believes the official version is usually or always a lie, a coverup, riddled with errors or some combination of those. Occasionally this turns out to be true - especially depending on the country and topic involved.
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13th November 2011, 05:59 PM	#94
Cl1mh4224rd Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 6,618	Originally Posted by ozeco41 Is there a term for the hybrid which results when you cross breed a strawman with a set of moving goalposts? Strawman in motion?

13th November 2011, 06:27 PM	#95
LSSBB Devilish Dictionarian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: An elusive house at Bachelor's Grove Cemetery Posts: 4,497	Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd Strawman in motion? Scorecrow?
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13th November 2011, 07:10 PM	#96
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 19,902	Originally Posted by Miragememories ... I do not expect my actions to have any impact on the outcome of the future we all will face. ... MM Too late, my actions have had an impact on the outcome of the future. oops 911 truth claims will have an impact on the future; provide a few scam artists like Gage, Balsamo and other 911 truth beggars with some coin. 911 truth depends on ignorance of others. 911 truth has to have an official story, which they never explain or understand. The official story helps keep up 911 truth's fantasy world, and profits/donations. 10 years down, infinite failure ahead.

13th November 2011, 08:09 PM	#97
madfoot Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 355	Originally Posted by ozeco41 Interesting shift of goalposts madfoot. What goalposts? I haven't changed my position in this topic yet. Originally Posted by sylvan8798 Contrary to popular truther opinion everyone does not get to have their own unique version of the events of the day. One set of events transpired. To be clear, when I said it supports the claims of the truthers, I didn't mean it supports their conspiracy theories. I just meant it supports the official story "meme".
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13th November 2011, 09:19 PM	#98
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 20,523	Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd Strawman in motion? Originally Posted by LSSBB Scorecrow? It's that renowned Truther OU device, the Perpetual Strawman.
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14th November 2011, 12:58 AM	#99
ozeco41 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Moss Vale, NSW, Australia Posts: 3,655	Originally Posted by madfoot What goalposts? I haven't changed my position in this topic yet. . Hint - don't tell little pork pies when the evidence is in the very post you respond to AND available for all to see. If you must do it it's best to wait several days so that most readers will have forgotten: A - what you claimed before you shifted the goalposts; AND B - What you claimed after the shift. ...otherwise they can see not only that you shifted ground but exactly how far.
	Last edited by ozeco41; 14th November 2011 at 01:31 AM.

14th November 2011, 09:07 PM	#100
The Platypus Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,787	So if what happened is an "official story", would conspiracy theories be the "unofficial stories"?
	__________________ I'll go with the qualified experts, over some ranting guy on the internet that claims he has "the truth". Always beware of those that overuse, capitalize and blanket themselves in them word "truth". I may not always know the truth, but i do know when i'm being lied too.

15th November 2011, 02:38 AM	#101
Clayton Moore Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 6,195	Originally Posted by NoahFence We call it "what actually happened". ...beat me to it Dave! Amazing. You're talking about a government that has officially lied to the public countless times and, as far as I know, never officially acknowledged any wrong doing. You're talking about an elected government that has officially dismantled America into 21st century feudalism.
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15th November 2011, 03:33 AM	#102
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,576	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore Amazing. You're talking about a government that has officially lied to the public countless times and, as far as I know, never officially acknowledged any wrong doing. You're talking about an elected government that has officially dismantled America into 21st century feudalism. And you're letting blind, mindless ideology get in the way of rational thought. I don't believe the government was behind 9-11 due to the preponderance of evidence, not because I think they can do no wrong. Wake up.
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15th November 2011, 03:42 AM	#103
Oystein Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 9,801	I wish the Government would declare officially that the Government always lies. This should make minds like Clayton's explode.

15th November 2011, 03:46 AM	#104
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In a world lit only by fire. Posts: 17,894	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore You're talking about an elected government that has officially dismantled America into 21st century feudalism. Did you get permission from the lord of your manor to post that? Dave
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15th November 2011, 05:01 AM	#105
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 17,954	All the talk about an "official story" from Truthers makes way more sense when you realize that they pretty much believe anything their conspiracy theory leaders say no questions asked. Then they turn around and figure that everyone else in the world operates with the same cognitive dysfunction.
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15th November 2011, 05:06 AM	#106
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,576	Originally Posted by Travis All the talk about an "official story" from Truthers makes way more sense when you realize that they pretty much believe anything their conspiracy theory leaders say no questions asked. Then they turn around and figure that everyone else in the world operates with the same cognitive dysfunction. Are you implying that truthers don't apply the same scrutiny to things that appear to support their position as they do to things that don't? I'm shocked. SHOCKED I SAY!
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15th November 2011, 05:20 AM	#107
sheeplesnshills Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,706	Originally Posted by Miragememories An apt description of 9/11. Sir Walter Scott had a good view of the future. MM Yes its a pity however that you have a lessor grasp of reality.

15th November 2011, 08:30 AM	#108
The Platypus Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,787	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore Amazing. You're talking about a government that has officially lied to the public countless times and, as far as I know, never officially acknowledged any wrong doing. You're talking about an elected government that has officially dismantled America into 21st century feudalism. Gee, I knew sooner or later some CTer would pull this out of their bag of tricks and you recited that meme perfect... You are well trained... I got news for you, sometimes the government does lie and the only one that seem shocked and new to knowing this are CTers. I got more news for you, many many people on the internet lie even more than the gov't does. Infact, I got more news for you, sometimes all people lie, you, me, everyone. CTers are using this mantra to trying to cover up that they believe what joe shmoes' on the internet have told them, so they project it onto everyone else with this pathetic claim that it's everyone else are the ones believing the gov't without question. And this overly simplistic view that because the gov't has lied in the past, everything they say must be a lie, is quite a childish tactic as well. Meanwhile some of the the biggest liars I have ever seen are 911 cults. They don't even just lie sometimes, they do nothing but lie and go even further, they are trying to live in their lies, and indoctrinate everyone to live their lies too. They roam around lying to everyone constantly, they lie far far more than the average person or even the gov't does. And 911 cult members also never ever ever acknowledge any wrong doing or even the slightest insignificant mistake, about anything they do or say or claim. They pretend to be know it alls, sole holders of all "truth", full of arrogance always proclaiming themselves superior in everything over everyone else. We're talking about an unofficial delusional cult that uses lies and fear to attempt to take over an official elected gov't so they can dismantle America completely. So if i should never listen to the gov't for these reasons, then I should definitely never ever listen to 911 cults...
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15th November 2011, 08:40 AM	#109
The Platypus Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,787	Originally Posted by Travis All the talk about an "official story" from Truthers makes way more sense when you realize that they pretty much believe anything their conspiracy theory leaders say no questions asked. Then they turn around and figure that everyone else in the world operates with the same cognitive dysfunction. To add to this, even the term "official story" itself was fed to them, and look how they all recite it like trained minions, they do this with as well with so many other words phrases and sayings they are fed, so much so that talking to them is much it's like talking to programmed robots.
	__________________ I'll go with the qualified experts, over some ranting guy on the internet that claims he has "the truth". Always beware of those that overuse, capitalize and blanket themselves in them word "truth". I may not always know the truth, but i do know when i'm being lied too. Last edited by The Platypus; 15th November 2011 at 08:51 AM.

15th November 2011, 09:01 AM	#110
Oystein Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 9,801	Originally Posted by The Platypus ... And 911 cult members also never ever ever acknowledge any wrong doing or even the slightest insignificant mistake, about anything they do or say or claim. ... Even worse: There is a tacit pact among truthers to never question or criticize each other or point out the false claims and invalid logic employed by fellow truthers, even if their claims and logic are mutually exclusive.

15th November 2011, 10:08 AM	#111
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,576	Tacit Pact would SO make a great name for a Jazz band
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15th November 2011, 10:46 AM	#112
LSSBB Devilish Dictionarian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: An elusive house at Bachelor's Grove Cemetery Posts: 4,497	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore Amazing. You're talking about a government that has officially lied to the public countless times and, as far as I know, never officially acknowledged any wrong doing. As far as you know the U.S. government has never acknowledged wrong doing, because you haven't even bothered to look. Here are two easy to find ones right away: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39456324...d-experiments/ and even better: http://www.alohaquest.com/archive/apology_full.htm I especially recommend you read that last one. Its also an apology for overthrowing another government.
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15th November 2011, 11:00 AM	#113
The Platypus Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,787	Who wants to buy a Rolex. These are better than the "official" ones, you can't trust the "official" ones, the Rolex company is just trying to make lots money off you by making theirs cost more, you can't trust them, but you can trust me, some guy on the internet.
	__________________ I'll go with the qualified experts, over some ranting guy on the internet that claims he has "the truth". Always beware of those that overuse, capitalize and blanket themselves in them word "truth". I may not always know the truth, but i do know when i'm being lied too. Last edited by The Platypus; 15th November 2011 at 11:03 AM.

15th November 2011, 11:04 AM	#114
LSSBB Devilish Dictionarian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: An elusive house at Bachelor's Grove Cemetery Posts: 4,497	Originally Posted by The Platypus Who wants to buy a Rolex. These are better than the "official" ones, you can't trust the "official" ones, the Rolex company is just trying to make lots money off you by making theirs cost more, you can't trust them, but you can trust me, some guy on the internet. I'll take one. They look just as good, and a whole lot cheaper!
	__________________ "Things that never happened before happen all the time." (Scott Sagan, 1993) "Put down the Wite-Out and step away from the dictionary." (000063, 2012) "Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof." (John Kenneth Galbraith, 1971)

15th November 2011, 11:26 AM	#115
Clayton Moore Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 6,195	Originally Posted by LSSBB As far as you know the U.S. government has never acknowledged wrong doing, because you haven't even bothered to look. Here are two easy to find ones right away: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39456324...d-experiments/ and even better: http://www.alohaquest.com/archive/apology_full.htm I especially recommend you read that last one. Its also an apology for overthrowing another government. That was great. A century and over a half century later.
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