Why we need the separation of church and state

pgwenthold · 10th March 2003, 10:31 AM

A few Purdue students were recently arrested on child pornography charges. Here is a response from a letter to the editor of the local rag:

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Purdue University president Martin Jischke and the board of trustees should give the "alleged" child-porn, Internet perverts honorary doctorate degrees. Better yet, the university should consider hiring these child-sex predators into the sociology department as visiting professors. ...

Purdue has embraced homosexuality by supporting "life partners" with health benefits. If the university supports one type of sexual perversion, it should embrace all types of sexual perversion...

But there is no consistency with you liberal crackpots.

I am saddened and frightened by the fact that this person cannot tell the difference between the consenting behavior of two adults and the sexual exploitation of children.

The next thing you know, they will be accepting people who eat pork and wear clothes with mixed fibers. And don't get me started on the whole "sowing two different seeds in the same field" issue. Has he seen the Ag school test plots on the edge of town? Liberal heathens, all of them.

Upchurch · 10th March 2003, 10:34 AM

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Originally posted by pgwenthold
I am saddened and frightened by the fact that this person cannot tell the difference between the consenting behavior of two adults and the sexual exploitation of children.

I agree with your point here, but what does it have to do with seperation of church and state?

c4ts · 10th March 2003, 10:35 AM

When you don't seperate church and state, religion becomes a political institution and bad things happen, like inquisitions.

Checkmite · 10th March 2003, 10:35 AM

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Originally posted by Upchurch
I agree with your point here, but what does it have to do with seperation of church and state?

You stole my words.

pgwenthold · 10th March 2003, 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by Upchurch
I agree with your point here, but what does it have to do with seperation of church and state?

1) This person apparently needs religion to tell him right from wrong. Be thankful we live in a country that allows him to practice such a religion.

2) Be double thankful that we live in a country that does not base its laws on such religious notions. If not for the separation, this person's attitudes could be forced upon us all as law of the land.

Upchurch · 10th March 2003, 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by pgwenthold

1) This person apparently needs religion to tell him right from wrong. Be thankful we live in a country that allows him to practice such a religion.

2) Be double thankful that we live in a country that does not base its laws on such religious notions. If not for the separation, this person's attitudes could be forced upon us all as law of the land.

Ooooh...

Okay, so it really wasn't a discussion as much as object lesson? I mean, I agree that it's a good thing that the government allows him to think that way and I also agree that it's a good thing the government allows me not to think that way.

Shroud of Akron · 10th March 2003, 08:09 PM

i agree with the your statement on church and state, but someone could believe these things without religion. a biggot is a biggot, no matter there their personal beliefs.

pgwenthold · 11th March 2003, 06:21 AM

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Originally posted by Shroud of Akron
i agree with the your statement on church and state, but someone could believe these things without religion. a biggot is a biggot, no matter there their personal beliefs.

You really think so? I don't. Sure, there might be non-religious people who don't like homosexuals, but I don't believe they would be to the extent where they would group homosexuality and child pornography. Most people can tell the difference, I'd hope.

BobM · 11th March 2003, 06:42 AM

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1) This person apparently needs religion to tell him right from wrong. Be thankful we live in a country that allows him to practice such a religion.

The guy never mentioned religion, at least in your excerpt. Your assumption is probably correct; but it is just an assumption.

MRC_Hans · 11th March 2003, 06:51 AM

Where I live, church and state are not separate. We have a State Church (which is Lutheran Christian). The advantage of this is that, as a state institution, the Church is always and will always be pretty tame and inefficient.

Hans

Akots · 11th March 2003, 07:07 AM

Would it be possible to combine the current state of Politics and Religion into a single, unfied whole? It'd make it easier to fling the whole bunch into the sun, or chain it to the bottom of the sea.

10th March 2003, 10:31 AM	#1
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 12,071	Why we need the separation of church and state A few Purdue students were recently arrested on child pornography charges. Here is a response from a letter to the editor of the local rag: Quote: Purdue University president Martin Jischke and the board of trustees should give the "alleged" child-porn, Internet perverts honorary doctorate degrees. Better yet, the university should consider hiring these child-sex predators into the sociology department as visiting professors. ... Purdue has embraced homosexuality by supporting "life partners" with health benefits. If the university supports one type of sexual perversion, it should embrace all types of sexual perversion... But there is no consistency with you liberal crackpots. I am saddened and frightened by the fact that this person cannot tell the difference between the consenting behavior of two adults and the sexual exploitation of children. The next thing you know, they will be accepting people who eat pork and wear clothes with mixed fibers. And don't get me started on the whole "sowing two different seeds in the same field" issue. Has he seen the Ag school test plots on the edge of town? Liberal heathens, all of them.
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10th March 2003, 10:34 AM	#2
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,426	Re: Why we need the separation of church and state Quote: Originally posted by pgwenthold I am saddened and frightened by the fact that this person cannot tell the difference between the consenting behavior of two adults and the sexual exploitation of children. I agree with your point here, but what does it have to do with seperation of church and state?

10th March 2003, 10:35 AM	#3
c4ts Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Your base Posts: 8,427	When you don't seperate church and state, religion becomes a political institution and bad things happen, like inquisitions.
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10th March 2003, 10:35 AM	#4
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Third in line Posts: 14,892	Re: Re: Why we need the separation of church and state Quote: Originally posted by Upchurch I agree with your point here, but what does it have to do with seperation of church and state? You stole my words.
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10th March 2003, 10:47 AM	#5
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 12,071	Re: Re: Why we need the separation of church and state Quote: Originally posted by Upchurch I agree with your point here, but what does it have to do with seperation of church and state? 1) This person apparently needs religion to tell him right from wrong. Be thankful we live in a country that allows him to practice such a religion. 2) Be double thankful that we live in a country that does not base its laws on such religious notions. If not for the separation, this person's attitudes could be forced upon us all as law of the land.
	__________________ "Baseball is a philosophy. The primordial ooze that once ruled our world has been captured in perpetual motion. Baseball is the moment. Its ever changing patterns are hypnotizing yet invigorating. Baseball is an art form. Classic and at the same time...progressive. Baseball is pre-historic and post-modern. Baseball is here to stay." (Stolen from the side of a lava lamp box, and modified slightly)

10th March 2003, 03:19 PM	#6
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,426	Re: Re: Re: Why we need the separation of church and state Quote: Originally posted by pgwenthold 1) This person apparently needs religion to tell him right from wrong. Be thankful we live in a country that allows him to practice such a religion. 2) Be double thankful that we live in a country that does not base its laws on such religious notions. If not for the separation, this person's attitudes could be forced upon us all as law of the land. Ooooh... Okay, so it really wasn't a discussion as much as object lesson? I mean, I agree that it's a good thing that the government allows him to think that way and I also agree that it's a good thing the government allows me not to think that way.

10th March 2003, 08:09 PM	#7
Shroud of Akron Thinker Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 129	i agree with the your statement on church and state, but someone could believe these things without religion. a biggot is a biggot, no matter there their personal beliefs.
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11th March 2003, 06:21 AM	#8
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 12,071	Quote: Originally posted by Shroud of Akron i agree with the your statement on church and state, but someone could believe these things without religion. a biggot is a biggot, no matter there their personal beliefs. You really think so? I don't. Sure, there might be non-religious people who don't like homosexuals, but I don't believe they would be to the extent where they would group homosexuality and child pornography. Most people can tell the difference, I'd hope.
	__________________ "Baseball is a philosophy. The primordial ooze that once ruled our world has been captured in perpetual motion. Baseball is the moment. Its ever changing patterns are hypnotizing yet invigorating. Baseball is an art form. Classic and at the same time...progressive. Baseball is pre-historic and post-modern. Baseball is here to stay." (Stolen from the side of a lava lamp box, and modified slightly)

11th March 2003, 06:42 AM	#9
BobM Thinker Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 134	Quote: 1) This person apparently needs religion to tell him right from wrong. Be thankful we live in a country that allows him to practice such a religion. The guy never mentioned religion, at least in your excerpt. Your assumption is probably correct; but it is just an assumption.
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11th March 2003, 06:51 AM	#10
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Whithin earshot of the North Sea Posts: 16,602	Where I live, church and state are not separate. We have a State Church (which is Lutheran Christian). The advantage of this is that, as a state institution, the Church is always and will always be pretty tame and inefficient. Hans
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11th March 2003, 07:07 AM	#11
Akots Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 494	Would it be possible to combine the current state of Politics and Religion into a single, unfied whole? It'd make it easier to fling the whole bunch into the sun, or chain it to the bottom of the sea.
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