The plans of God - Page 6

Twiler · 25th November 2011, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

actually, he says to, "hold no gods before me," so he does not forbid worshipping them, only that he must be held 'first'.

It would HILARIOUS if the world ended, everyone except the christians were gibbed, they all cheered, and then the other Hebrew gods appeared and gibbed them for their lack of worship.

Well, from a certain perspective it would be hilarious.

Cainkane1 · 25th November 2011, 11:12 AM

I wish god had found another virgin whose child had took on disease, old age and starvation. Instead of being crucified he or she could have died of some horrible painful disease and saved us for our illnesses as well as our sins.

Mr. Scott · 25th November 2011, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

actually, he says to, "hold no gods before me," so he does not forbid worshipping them, only that he must be held 'first'.

Funny how He won't say the other gods are nonexistent. Shows you what the people of the time were really thinking. It was a lot of "my god is better than your god." Then they go to war to prove who's god is strongest. Today, we go to war to prove who's god is the realest. Stupid humans.

tsig · 25th November 2011, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by edge

I hope everybody had a good weekend and Thanksgiving, and acuallly thanked some one and God for all they have if you wished to.

Why would you feel better if I kissed some dietys' ass.

tsig · 25th November 2011, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Complexity

And it is lousy fiction - about at the level of the garbage cranked out by Hubbard.

When you think about it man is evil yet mankind is created in the image of god, so...

tsig · 25th November 2011, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by psionl0

The bible mentions (and even names) other gods but doesn't say they exist.

For the most part, it is idolatry that christians are warned about. Although idolatry is about worshiping statues, the bible extends that concept to include love of money and all forms of greed.

So that's why most Christians are poor, Oh wait...

edge · 25th November 2011, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Twiler

It would HILARIOUS if the world ended, everyone except the christians were gibbed, they all cheered, and then the other Hebrew gods appeared and gibbed them for their lack of worship.

Well, from a certain perspective it would be hilarious.

Ya that's so funny.
I wouldn't wish that on you.

What a bunch of ingrates you mean you didn't even thank your mum your girl or anyone tsig, I said anyone.
Lame.

TheRedWorm · 25th November 2011, 08:44 PM

One thing I've never understood: Why would an entity as powerful as the monotheists claim god is even notice, let alone care about us? Seriously, as a species, we are a tiny speck of carbon, inhabiting some backwater little planet in an unremarkable galaxy in one spot of the 13.7 billion light year universe. Why would a god even have a plan for us?

psionl0 · 25th November 2011, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by TheRedWorm

One thing I've never understood: Why would an entity as powerful as the monotheists claim god is even notice, let alone care about us? Seriously, as a species, we are a tiny speck of carbon, inhabiting some backwater little planet in an unremarkable galaxy in one spot of the 13.7 billion light year universe. Why would a god even have a plan for us?

It's all about how you spin it.

One could just as easily ask, "why would God create an entire universe just for us when a single galaxy is more than we can handle?"

Paulhoff · 25th November 2011, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by psionl0

It's all about how you spin it.

One could just as easily ask, "why would God create an entire universe just for us when a single galaxy is more than we can handle?"

And that is overkill.

Paul

psionl0 · 25th November 2011, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by tsig

So that's why most Christians are poor, Oh wait...

The existence of hypocritical christians and hypocritical christian churches is not inconsistent with anything you might read in the bible.

Leumas · 26th November 2011, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by TheRedWorm

One thing I've never understood: Why would an entity as powerful as the monotheists claim god is even notice, let alone care about us? Seriously, as a species, we are a tiny speck of carbon, inhabiting some backwater little planet in an unremarkable galaxy in one spot of the 13.7 billion light year universe. Why would a god even have a plan for us?

Our Universe could be a science kindergarten project for some petulant little brat creature.

Its plan:
win the trophy
Its care level:
win the trophy
Its care for us as a species:
as much as a little boy/girl would care for the algae that infests an aquarium
Its care for individuals:
as much as we would care about a spec of corn in the turd we have just flushed down

Or it could be a more meaningful relationship. For all I know the bacteria that inhabit my lower intestines could be burning offerings for me right now....in fact that might be how they help me digest my food.

How much do I care for them as a species....well I should care but only because I now know that they are in fact useful for my digestive process.
How much do I care for them as individuals...not at all
What plan do I have for them as a species.....nothing other than not to take too much antibiotics when I am ill and maybe to occasionally eat Yoghurt
What plan do I have for each individual one.... nothing

Limbo · 26th November 2011, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by TheRedWorm

One thing I've never understood: Why would an entity as powerful as the monotheists claim god is even notice, let alone care about us? Seriously, as a species, we are a tiny speck of carbon, inhabiting some backwater little planet in an unremarkable galaxy in one spot of the 13.7 billion light year universe. Why would a god even have a plan for us?

Because 'he breathed his spirit into Humanity'. That is to say, it's as if God is playing hide-and-seek with himself. We are all just pieces of God, some of us have forgotten that. That's ok though.

dafydd · 26th November 2011, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by Limbo

Because 'he breathed his spirit into Humanity'. That is to say, it's as if God is playing hide-and-seek with himself. We are all just pieces of God, some of us have forgotten that. That's ok though.

You have not presented a single shred of proof for the existence of any god or gods.

Leumas · 26th November 2011, 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by Limbo

Because 'he breathed his spirit into Humanity'. That is to say, it's as if God is playing hide-and-seek with himself. We are all just pieces of God, some of us have forgotten that. That's ok though.

Does it make a difference which piece one is from? I think some people must be pieces of his *****.

punshhh · 26th November 2011, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by Leumas

Our Universe could be a science kindergarten project for some petulant little brat creature.

Its plan:
win the trophy
Its care level:
win the trophy
Its care for us as a species:
as much as a little boy/girl would care for the algae that infests an aquarium
Its care for individuals:
as much as we would care about a spec of corn in the turd we have just flushed down

Or it could be a more meaningful relationship. For all I know the bacteria that inhabit my lower intestines could be burning offerings for me right now....in fact that might be how they help me digest my food.

How much do I care for them as a species....well I should care but only because I now know that they are in fact useful for my digestive process.
How much do I care for them as individuals...not at all
What plan do I have for them as a species.....nothing other than not to take too much antibiotics when I am ill and maybe to occasionally eat Yoghurt
What plan do I have for each individual one.... nothing

Nice analogy, what if we became aware that a group of bacteria had mutated into a bacteria which could digest us aswell as our food and cause a disease?

Or worse still they had invented nuclear weapons and were about to nuke another species of bacteria. It might be mutually assured destruction. They could be scrapping over a bit of your dinner with their hands hovering over the red button. (Geeze it reminds me of the Cuban missile crisis)

Would you send in the antibiotic squad, or go for surgery and intensive care I wonder. Hey what about nano bots .... cool.

TheRedWorm · 26th November 2011, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by Limbo

Because 'he breathed his spirit into Humanity'. That is to say, it's as if God is playing hide-and-seek with himself. We are all just pieces of God, some of us have forgotten that. That's ok though.

Define "he breathed his spirit into humanity." What the hell does that even mean?

Resume · 26th November 2011, 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by TheRedWorm

Define "he breathed his spirit into humanity." What the hell does that even mean?

Whatever he wants it to mean. Mysticism is cool like that.

Captain Canada · 26th November 2011, 07:59 AM

For Cristians the thought of GOD makes the things you don't understand, understandable. I call it the lazyness, unwillingness to do research and think logically or have an opinion!

edge · 26th November 2011, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Complexity

And it is lousy fiction - about at the level of the garbage cranked out by Hubbard.

Well sure it's lousy fiction since it was meant to be recorded as history and real life.

So...there aren't enough other topics in here for you, there's the door.

Paulhoff · 26th November 2011, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by edge

Well sure it's lousy fiction since it was meant to be recorded as history and real life.

He wrote FICTION, geezzz edge.

Paul

edge · 26th November 2011, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by Leumas

Our Universe could be a science kindergarten project for some petulant little brat creature.

Its plan:
win the trophy
Its care level:
win the trophy
Its care for us as a species:
as much as a little boy/girl would care for the algae that infests an aquarium
Its care for individuals:
as much as we would care about a spec of corn in the turd we have just flushed down

Or it could be a more meaningful relationship. For all I know the bacteria that inhabit my lower intestines could be burning offerings for me right now....in fact that might be how they help me digest my food.

How much do I care for them as a species....well I should care but only because I now know that they are in fact useful for my digestive process.
How much do I care for them as individuals...not at all
What plan do I have for them as a species.....nothing other than not to take too much antibiotics when I am ill and maybe to occasionally eat Yoghurt
What plan do I have for each individual one.... nothing

They delieted this once and I can't figure out why?
If I can't say what I want to say then this whole conversation is one sided.

Or look up and understand.
All life praises the lord.

There you go, if we are part of God's mind then some of the bad cells are dying and where do the dead cells wind up? Those bad ones, that aren't thinking right, the ones that no longer believe they are part of a whole, the ones who curse the creator? The flawed ones, the (part of God’s mind) who can't feel compassion who reject all accept materialism, which is a form of Idolatry.
Who spread those concepts like a disease or infection?

Spolier you seen it.

But that's not to say there isn't a treatment plant for humans.

Baptism by fire, isolation in darkness, and a vision of who made you think the way you do...

It's pretty simple really; there was a separation in the beginning and a re-union at the end of all of our lives.

So what it says is; the kingdom of heaven is within you, this is how we know.
You can't escape, either now or later, your choice to see this.
The part of God that is within you isn’t the same as in a bacterium.
There is no bacteria on the other side what function would they have, there’s no death no corruption, no need to digest, all will be nourished by Gods light and word, command.

I see nothing wrong here or with my spolier show.
Comady is good.
Think of tolets you should beable to figure it out.
If this offends then close your eyes when you read?

If you can talk crap I see no reason why the rest of us can't or is this place highly protecting you to keep you here?
Is the devil in the works here too?

Sledge · 26th November 2011, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by edge

Well sure it's lousy fiction since it was meant to be recorded as history and real life.

All of it? Including all those bits we know couldn't possibly be true?

edge · 26th November 2011, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Captain Canada

For Cristians the thought of GOD makes the things you don't understand, understandable. I call it the lazyness, unwillingness to do research and think logically or have an opinion!

First I understand way more than most others and more than atheists in here.
Try applying your response to the subject and not the people who are involved.
For attacking the messengers and not the messenger your post should be deleted.
You show lack of emotional intellegents.

Try addressing the O.P...

edge · 26th November 2011, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Paulhoff

He wrote FICTION, geezzz edge.

Paul

Who's he?

edge · 26th November 2011, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by psionl0

It's all about how you spin it.

One could just as easily ask, "why would God create an entire universe just for us when a single galaxy is more than we can handle?"

It might not have been hard to handle at one time, but now it is.
Or till we get straight with ourselves and God, at which point nothing is impossible.

Brainache · 26th November 2011, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Limbo

Because 'he breathed his spirit into Humanity'. That is to say, it's as if God is playing hide-and-seek with himself. We are all just pieces of God, some of us have forgotten that. That's ok though.

Humans evolved the ability to conceive of God, thus giving God a means of existence.

God is in the mind of Humans, we created the space outside of space and time that God inhabits.

We have it within our power to change the Environment of God.

God is scared of us.

Prove me wrong Limbo...

edge · 26th November 2011, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Sledge

All of it? Including all those bits we know couldn't possibly be true?

There's been some intresting developments in what we know and what they recently found.
All these new finds re-enforce it seems, what we have so far.

Quote:

Discovery: The impression on this booklet cover shows what could be the earliest image of Christ

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1epxtH2ND

The image is eerily familiar: a bearded young man with flowing curly hair. After lying for nearly 2,000 years hidden in a cave in the Holy Land, the fine detail is difficult to determine. But in a certain light it is not difficult to interpret the marks around the figure’s brow as a crown of thorns.
The extraordinary picture of one of the recently discovered hoard of up to 70 lead codices – booklets – found in a cave in the hills overlooking the Sea of Galilee is one reason Bible historians are clamouring to get their hands on the ancient artefacts.
If genuine, this could be the first-ever portrait of Jesus

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1epy4aOQO

But just like the Dead Sea scrolls somebody will suppress the information for 40 years as they did with that discovery.
In that amount of time there's no telling what will be suppressed.

Resume · 26th November 2011, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by edge

But just like the Dead Sea scrolls somebody will suppress the information for 40 years as they did with that discovery.
In that amount of time there's no telling what will be suppressed.

Conspiracy forum is one bus stop south of here.

edge · 26th November 2011, 10:39 AM

Seal those books up until the end time when the time is right.

Daniel 12:4 But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge."

Daniel 8:26 "The vision of the evenings and mornings that has been given you is true, but seal up the vision, for it concerns the distant future."

10Many shall be purified and made white and tried, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.

Daniel 12

edge · 26th November 2011, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Resume

Conspiracy forum is one bus stop south of here.

You're such a Cutie I just want to pinch your cheek!
Let me help you across the street.

tsig · 26th November 2011, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by edge

There's been some intresting developments in what we know and what they recently found.
All these new finds re-enforce it seems, what we have so far.

But just like the Dead Sea scrolls somebody will suppress the information for 40 years as they did with that discovery.
In that amount of time there's no telling what will be suppressed.

Without humans there is no god.

edge · 26th November 2011, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by tsig

Without humans there is no god.

Edge turns his back and talks to friends and says," don't pay attention to gramps he just got a closed mindset." he's excused...

edge · 26th November 2011, 11:01 AM

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If taken at face value, the Bible convincingly shows that God the Father is all powerful and that He fully intends to bring His plan to a successful conclusion, despite the best efforts of those in the physical and spiritual realms. Therefore, what we see taking place in the world cannot be God scrambling to make the best of a bad situation, but rather God's original plan unfolding. But, as strange as it seems when viewed logically in the light of Scripture, this obvious conclusion that God the Father is in total control of all things is not acknowledged by most who profess to worship Him.

The reason most have concluded that God is NOT in absolute control is because they have accepted the idea that He has given His creation "free will." Even if the Eternal Father wants to save all of mankind (I Tim. 2:4), many believe that He can't because they have been taught that God will not force anyone to be saved against their will. Effectively, the common belief is that God has ceded His sovereignty to His creation. Therefore, the creation will determine the outcome of the divine plan, not God.

The Father may not want anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance (II Pet. 3:9), but according to the prevailing view, God will NOT get what He desires. Because it is thought that He has given man the "free will" to choose life or death, some will choose NOT to be saved. In this warped scenario, the choices of mortal men are allowed to override the outcome desired by the immortal God.

Yet does this understanding square with what the Bible says? Let's see what the Scriptures teach about God's plan for ALL mankind:

JOHN 12:32 "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw [helkuso] ALL people to myself." (NRSV)

In this statement, Messiah Yeshua gives us a glimpse into what God planned to accomplish through the sacrifice of His Son. It's clear from the next verse (John 12:33) that the phrase "lifted up" was a reference to Yeshua's impending crucifixion. The Messiah plainly understood that his sacrificial death was a necessary part of God's plan which would eventually lead to ALL mankind accepting him as their Lord ("Master"). Paul expands on the words of Yeshua to confirm the end result of his atoning death:

PHILIPPIANS 2:8 He humbled himself, by becoming obedient to the point of death — even death on a cross! 9 As a result God exalted him and gave him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY knee will bow — in heaven and on earth and under the earth — 11 and EVERY tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. (NET)
Yeshua's ability to put aside his own desires and do the will of the Father resulted in God exalting him above all things except Himself (I Cor. 15:27). In the end, the entire creation will bow to Yeshua and confess that he is Lord. This outcome will bring glory to God the Father, because it will signal the successful completion of this phase of His plan.

TITUS 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared for the salvation of ALL men, (RSV)

http://www.herealittletherealittle.n...e_name=Mystery

I think this hits the nail on the head.
See you'll also be saved.
This will be my last post.
For now.

Mr. Scott · 26th November 2011, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by edge

Edge turns his back and talks to friends and says," don't pay attention to gramps he just got a closed mindset." he's excused...

edge, maybe YOU are the gramps with the closed mindset. Scriptures prove God just as comic books prove Superman. Give us something that's convincing beyond what's only happening in your head, because your reports of your feelings that God is real convince no one. Where's the beef?

joobz · 26th November 2011, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by edge

First I understand way more than most others and more than atheists in here.

Simply stating something doesn't make it true.
You have frequently made statements that contradict observable evidence.
That suggests you understand very little of the world.

Originally Posted by edge

Try addressing the O.P...

The OP is nothing other than unsubstantiated assertions. It holds as much "truth" as and work of fiction, including an episode of TruBlood.

The current burden is on you to demonstrate what you say is real. Simply saying you have secret knowledge isn't enough.

Leumas · 26th November 2011, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by edge

There's been some intresting developments in what we know and what they recently found.
All these new finds re-enforce it seems, what we have so far.

But just like the Dead Sea scrolls somebody will suppress the information for 40 years as they did with that discovery.
In that amount of time there's no telling what will be suppressed.

The Lead Codices were proven to be FORGERIES.....

The Dead Sea Scrolls are in fact DETRIMENTAL to the Authenticity of the Bible. Have a look at this post where I explain SOME of this. So if anything the obfuscation and delay in their publications would serve the Agenda of the mostly Church associated experts who had control over them.

Leumas · 26th November 2011, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by edge

http://www.herealittletherealittle.n...e_name=Mystery

Quote:

Yet does this understanding square with what the Bible says? Let's see what the Scriptures teach about God's plan for ALL mankind:

JOHN 12:32 "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw [helkuso] ALL people to myself." (NRSV)

I think this hits the nail on the head.
See you'll also be saved.
This will be my last post.
For now.

How much love does Jesus show in these verses and what is the PLAN:

Quote:

Luke {19:27} But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

What about how Jesus DEGRADED the poor Canaanite woman with utter disdain and calling her a dog (see below) compared with the cowardly obeisance he displayed towards a Roman centurion (see below)?

How are we supposed to interpret the COWARDLY SERVILITY of Jesus to the Centurion and the BIGOTRY and ABUSE to the Canaanite peasant?

What is the Plan there?

Matthew 15:

Quote:

22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”

23 Jesus ~~ignored her~~ did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel. ~~And not the pointless sub-humans.~~”

25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said ~~and groveled~~.

26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs ~~dirty worthless sub-humans~~.”

27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table. ~~See I’m groveling and begging for you to care for me even as much as a master cares for the lower animals regardless of how lowly~~”

28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have ~~groveled sufficiently~~ great faith! ~~I will deign to give you some crumbs as the lowly lapping dog you are~~ Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.

Matthew 8:5-13

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And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, and saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him ~~yes sir...right away sir...I will rush to your house and heal him~~. The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed ~~What??? You are supposed to be a God....don't you know that you can heal him by just thinking about it??? Don't you know that you do not need to actually be in his presence to heal him??~~. For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this [man,] Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth [it. ] When Jesus heard [it,] he marvelled, ~~Wow....you are right...well I am new at this Godly healing business....thanks for TEACHING me how God should behave and thanks for the information about godly powers.... I had no idea~~and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But I am going to forget all this VERY SOON when I will degrade and humiliate the Canaanite woman who is going to ask for the same miracle from me for her daughter instead of being a SLAVING SOB Roman centurion asking me to save his SLAVE But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.

Limbo · 26th November 2011, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by TheRedWorm

Define "he breathed his spirit into humanity." What the hell does that even mean?

It means Humanity is a vehicle for the spirit of God. Human bodies are like masks, costumes for God. Vessels. Temples. All the world's a stage, as the Bard said.

Paulhoff · 26th November 2011, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by edge

Who's he?

The one you commented about edge, geezzz.

Paul

25th November 2011, 10:45 AM	#201
Twiler Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,494	Originally Posted by bikerdruid actually, he says to, "hold no gods before me," so he does not forbid worshipping them, only that he must be held 'first'. It would HILARIOUS if the world ended, everyone except the christians were gibbed, they all cheered, and then the other Hebrew gods appeared and gibbed them for their lack of worship. Well, from a certain perspective it would be hilarious.
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25th November 2011, 11:12 AM	#202
Cainkane1 Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The great American southeast Posts: 7,192	I wish god had found another virgin whose child had took on disease, old age and starvation. Instead of being crucified he or she could have died of some horrible painful disease and saved us for our illnesses as well as our sins.
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25th November 2011, 11:32 AM	#203
Mr. Scott Under the Amazing One's Wing Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA Posts: 2,279	Originally Posted by bikerdruid actually, he says to, "hold no gods before me," so he does not forbid worshipping them, only that he must be held 'first'. Funny how He won't say the other gods are nonexistent. Shows you what the people of the time were really thinking. It was a lot of "my god is better than your god." Then they go to war to prove who's god is strongest. Today, we go to war to prove who's god is the realest. Stupid humans.
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25th November 2011, 07:30 PM	#207
edge Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where my two best friends are, in here now. Posts: 5,247	Originally Posted by Twiler It would HILARIOUS if the world ended, everyone except the christians were gibbed, they all cheered, and then the other Hebrew gods appeared and gibbed them for their lack of worship. Well, from a certain perspective it would be hilarious. Ya that's so funny. I wouldn't wish that on you. What a bunch of ingrates you mean you didn't even thank your mum your girl or anyone tsig, I said anyone. Lame.
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25th November 2011, 08:44 PM	#208
TheRedWorm I AM the Red Worm! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Body: Michigan, Heart: Chicago Posts: 3,886	One thing I've never understood: Why would an entity as powerful as the monotheists claim god is even notice, let alone care about us? Seriously, as a species, we are a tiny speck of carbon, inhabiting some backwater little planet in an unremarkable galaxy in one spot of the 13.7 billion light year universe. Why would a god even have a plan for us?
	__________________ See I'm not a monster, I'm just ahead of the curve. -Joker Working them to death is murder. Making them live like pigs and dying from disease is murder. Shooting them next to a ditch is murder. Digging them up and burning them to hide your murder, is extra credit evil. -beachnut

25th November 2011, 11:43 AM	#204
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,734	Originally Posted by edge I hope everybody had a good weekend and Thanksgiving, and acuallly thanked some one and God for all they have if you wished to. Why would you feel better if I kissed some dietys' ass.

25th November 2011, 11:46 AM	#205
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,734	Originally Posted by Complexity And it is lousy fiction - about at the level of the garbage cranked out by Hubbard. When you think about it man is evil yet mankind is created in the image of god, so...

25th November 2011, 11:52 AM	#206
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,734	Originally Posted by psionl0 The bible mentions (and even names) other gods but doesn't say they exist. For the most part, it is idolatry that christians are warned about. Although idolatry is about worshiping statues, the bible extends that concept to include love of money and all forms of greed. So that's why most Christians are poor, Oh wait...

25th November 2011, 09:24 PM	#209
psionl0 Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°58'S 115°57'E Posts: 4,768	Originally Posted by TheRedWorm One thing I've never understood: Why would an entity as powerful as the monotheists claim god is even notice, let alone care about us? Seriously, as a species, we are a tiny speck of carbon, inhabiting some backwater little planet in an unremarkable galaxy in one spot of the 13.7 billion light year universe. Why would a god even have a plan for us? It's all about how you spin it. One could just as easily ask, "why would God create an entire universe just for us when a single galaxy is more than we can handle?"

25th November 2011, 09:27 PM	#210
Paulhoff You can't expect perfection. Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 12,570	Originally Posted by psionl0 It's all about how you spin it. One could just as easily ask, "why would God create an entire universe just for us when a single galaxy is more than we can handle?" And that is overkill. Paul
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25th November 2011, 09:37 PM	#211
psionl0 Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°58'S 115°57'E Posts: 4,768	Originally Posted by tsig So that's why most Christians are poor, Oh wait... The existence of hypocritical christians and hypocritical christian churches is not inconsistent with anything you might read in the bible.

26th November 2011, 12:58 AM	#212
Leumas Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,493	Originally Posted by TheRedWorm One thing I've never understood: Why would an entity as powerful as the monotheists claim god is even notice, let alone care about us? Seriously, as a species, we are a tiny speck of carbon, inhabiting some backwater little planet in an unremarkable galaxy in one spot of the 13.7 billion light year universe. Why would a god even have a plan for us? Our Universe could be a science kindergarten project for some petulant little brat creature. Its plan: win the trophy Its care level: win the trophy Its care for us as a species: as much as a little boy/girl would care for the algae that infests an aquarium Its care for individuals: as much as we would care about a spec of corn in the turd we have just flushed down Or it could be a more meaningful relationship. For all I know the bacteria that inhabit my lower intestines could be burning offerings for me right now....in fact that might be how they help me digest my food. How much do I care for them as a species....well I should care but only because I now know that they are in fact useful for my digestive process. How much do I care for them as individuals...not at all What plan do I have for them as a species.....nothing other than not to take too much antibiotics when I am ill and maybe to occasionally eat Yoghurt What plan do I have for each individual one.... nothing
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26th November 2011, 01:46 AM	#213
Limbo Jedi Consular Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,000	Originally Posted by TheRedWorm One thing I've never understood: Why would an entity as powerful as the monotheists claim god is even notice, let alone care about us? Seriously, as a species, we are a tiny speck of carbon, inhabiting some backwater little planet in an unremarkable galaxy in one spot of the 13.7 billion light year universe. Why would a god even have a plan for us? Because 'he breathed his spirit into Humanity'. That is to say, it's as if God is playing hide-and-seek with himself. We are all just pieces of God, some of us have forgotten that. That's ok though.
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26th November 2011, 02:10 AM	#214
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,456	Originally Posted by Limbo Because 'he breathed his spirit into Humanity'. That is to say, it's as if God is playing hide-and-seek with himself. We are all just pieces of God, some of us have forgotten that. That's ok though. You have not presented a single shred of proof for the existence of any god or gods.
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26th November 2011, 03:42 AM	#215
Leumas Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,493	Originally Posted by Limbo Because 'he breathed his spirit into Humanity'. That is to say, it's as if God is playing hide-and-seek with himself. We are all just pieces of God, some of us have forgotten that. That's ok though. Does it make a difference which piece one is from? I think some people must be pieces of his *****.
Leumas Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,493	__________________ "I don't know if God exists, but it would be better for his reputation if he didn't." - Jules Renard "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection of his own." - Thomas Jefferson

26th November 2011, 04:03 AM	#216
punshhh Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Rural England Posts: 4,165	Originally Posted by Leumas Our Universe could be a science kindergarten project for some petulant little brat creature. Its plan: win the trophy Its care level: win the trophy Its care for us as a species: as much as a little boy/girl would care for the algae that infests an aquarium Its care for individuals: as much as we would care about a spec of corn in the turd we have just flushed down Or it could be a more meaningful relationship. For all I know the bacteria that inhabit my lower intestines could be burning offerings for me right now....in fact that might be how they help me digest my food. How much do I care for them as a species....well I should care but only because I now know that they are in fact useful for my digestive process. How much do I care for them as individuals...not at all What plan do I have for them as a species.....nothing other than not to take too much antibiotics when I am ill and maybe to occasionally eat Yoghurt What plan do I have for each individual one.... nothing Nice analogy, what if we became aware that a group of bacteria had mutated into a bacteria which could digest us aswell as our food and cause a disease? Or worse still they had invented nuclear weapons and were about to nuke another species of bacteria. It might be mutually assured destruction. They could be scrapping over a bit of your dinner with their hands hovering over the red button. (Geeze it reminds me of the Cuban missile crisis) Would you send in the antibiotic squad, or go for surgery and intensive care I wonder. Hey what about nano bots .... cool.
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26th November 2011, 04:51 AM	#217
TheRedWorm I AM the Red Worm! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Body: Michigan, Heart: Chicago Posts: 3,886	Originally Posted by Limbo Because 'he breathed his spirit into Humanity'. That is to say, it's as if God is playing hide-and-seek with himself. We are all just pieces of God, some of us have forgotten that. That's ok though. Define "he breathed his spirit into humanity." What the hell does that even mean?
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26th November 2011, 04:54 AM	#218
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,020	Originally Posted by TheRedWorm Define "he breathed his spirit into humanity." What the hell does that even mean? Whatever he wants it to mean. Mysticism is cool like that.
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26th November 2011, 07:59 AM	#219
Captain Canada Scholar Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Ajax/Toronto Posts: 112	For Cristians the thought of GOD makes the things you don't understand, understandable. I call it the lazyness, unwillingness to do research and think logically or have an opinion!

26th November 2011, 08:46 AM	#220
edge Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where my two best friends are, in here now. Posts: 5,247	Originally Posted by Complexity And it is lousy fiction - about at the level of the garbage cranked out by Hubbard. Well sure it's lousy fiction since it was meant to be recorded as history and real life. So...there aren't enough other topics in here for you, there's the door.
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26th November 2011, 09:26 AM	#221
Paulhoff You can't expect perfection. Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 12,570	Originally Posted by edge Well sure it's lousy fiction since it was meant to be recorded as history and real life. He wrote FICTION, geezzz edge. Paul
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26th November 2011, 09:51 AM	#222
edge Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where my two best friends are, in here now. Posts: 5,247	Originally Posted by Leumas Our Universe could be a science kindergarten project for some petulant little brat creature. Its plan: win the trophy Its care level: win the trophy Its care for us as a species: as much as a little boy/girl would care for the algae that infests an aquarium Its care for individuals: as much as we would care about a spec of corn in the turd we have just flushed down Or it could be a more meaningful relationship. For all I know the bacteria that inhabit my lower intestines could be burning offerings for me right now....in fact that might be how they help me digest my food. How much do I care for them as a species....well I should care but only because I now know that they are in fact useful for my digestive process. How much do I care for them as individuals...not at all What plan do I have for them as a species.....nothing other than not to take too much antibiotics when I am ill and maybe to occasionally eat Yoghurt What plan do I have for each individual one.... nothing They delieted this once and I can't figure out why? If I can't say what I want to say then this whole conversation is one sided. Or look up and understand. All life praises the lord. There you go, if we are part of God's mind then some of the bad cells are dying and where do the dead cells wind up? Those bad ones, that aren't thinking right, the ones that no longer believe they are part of a whole, the ones who curse the creator? The flawed ones, the (part of God’s mind) who can't feel compassion who reject all accept materialism, which is a form of Idolatry. Who spread those concepts like a disease or infection? Spolier you seen it. But that's not to say there isn't a treatment plant for humans. Baptism by fire, isolation in darkness, and a vision of who made you think the way you do... It's pretty simple really; there was a separation in the beginning and a re-union at the end of all of our lives. So what it says is; the kingdom of heaven is within you, this is how we know. You can't escape, either now or later, your choice to see this. The part of God that is within you isn’t the same as in a bacterium. There is no bacteria on the other side what function would they have, there’s no death no corruption, no need to digest, all will be nourished by Gods light and word, command. I see nothing wrong here or with my spolier show. Comady is good. Think of tolets you should beable to figure it out. If this offends then close your eyes when you read? If you can talk crap I see no reason why the rest of us can't or is this place highly protecting you to keep you here? Is the devil in the works here too?
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26th November 2011, 09:53 AM	#223
Sledge Grammaton Cleric Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Swingin' on a star Posts: 7,123	Originally Posted by edge Well sure it's lousy fiction since it was meant to be recorded as history and real life. All of it? Including all those bits we know couldn't possibly be true?
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26th November 2011, 10:01 AM	#224
edge Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where my two best friends are, in here now. Posts: 5,247	Originally Posted by Captain Canada For Cristians the thought of GOD makes the things you don't understand, understandable. I call it the lazyness, unwillingness to do research and think logically or have an opinion! First I understand way more than most others and more than atheists in here. Try applying your response to the subject and not the people who are involved. For attacking the messengers and not the messenger your post should be deleted. You show lack of emotional intellegents. Try addressing the O.P...
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26th November 2011, 10:03 AM	#225
edge Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where my two best friends are, in here now. Posts: 5,247	Originally Posted by Paulhoff He wrote FICTION, geezzz edge. Paul Who's he?
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26th November 2011, 10:07 AM	#226
edge Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where my two best friends are, in here now. Posts: 5,247	Originally Posted by psionl0 It's all about how you spin it. One could just as easily ask, "why would God create an entire universe just for us when a single galaxy is more than we can handle?" It might not have been hard to handle at one time, but now it is. Or till we get straight with ourselves and God, at which point nothing is impossible.
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26th November 2011, 10:15 AM	#227
Brainache Nasty Brutish and Tall Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Knob Hill. Posts: 9,086	Originally Posted by Limbo Because 'he breathed his spirit into Humanity'. That is to say, it's as if God is playing hide-and-seek with himself. We are all just pieces of God, some of us have forgotten that. That's ok though. Humans evolved the ability to conceive of God, thus giving God a means of existence. God is in the mind of Humans, we created the space outside of space and time that God inhabits. We have it within our power to change the Environment of God. God is scared of us. Prove me wrong Limbo...
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26th November 2011, 10:27 AM	#228
edge Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where my two best friends are, in here now. Posts: 5,247	Originally Posted by Sledge All of it? Including all those bits we know couldn't possibly be true? There's been some intresting developments in what we know and what they recently found. All these new finds re-enforce it seems, what we have so far. Quote: Discovery: The impression on this booklet cover shows what could be the earliest image of Christ Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1epxtH2ND The image is eerily familiar: a bearded young man with flowing curly hair. After lying for nearly 2,000 years hidden in a cave in the Holy Land, the fine detail is difficult to determine. But in a certain light it is not difficult to interpret the marks around the figure’s brow as a crown of thorns. The extraordinary picture of one of the recently discovered hoard of up to 70 lead codices – booklets – found in a cave in the hills overlooking the Sea of Galilee is one reason Bible historians are clamouring to get their hands on the ancient artefacts. If genuine, this could be the first-ever portrait of Jesus Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1epy4aOQO But just like the Dead Sea scrolls somebody will suppress the information for 40 years as they did with that discovery. In that amount of time there's no telling what will be suppressed.
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26th November 2011, 10:34 AM	#229
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,020	Originally Posted by edge But just like the Dead Sea scrolls somebody will suppress the information for 40 years as they did with that discovery. In that amount of time there's no telling what will be suppressed. Conspiracy forum is one bus stop south of here.
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26th November 2011, 10:39 AM	#230
edge Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where my two best friends are, in here now. Posts: 5,247	Seal those books up until the end time when the time is right. Daniel 12:4 But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge." Daniel 8:26 "The vision of the evenings and mornings that has been given you is true, but seal up the vision, for it concerns the distant future." 10Many shall be purified and made white and tried, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand. Daniel 12
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26th November 2011, 10:40 AM	#231
edge Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where my two best friends are, in here now. Posts: 5,247	Originally Posted by Resume Conspiracy forum is one bus stop south of here. You're such a Cutie I just want to pinch your cheek! Let me help you across the street.
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26th November 2011, 10:43 AM	#232
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,734	Originally Posted by edge There's been some intresting developments in what we know and what they recently found. All these new finds re-enforce it seems, what we have so far. But just like the Dead Sea scrolls somebody will suppress the information for 40 years as they did with that discovery. In that amount of time there's no telling what will be suppressed. Without humans there is no god.

26th November 2011, 10:54 AM	#233
edge Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where my two best friends are, in here now. Posts: 5,247	Originally Posted by tsig Without humans there is no god. Edge turns his back and talks to friends and says," don't pay attention to gramps he just got a closed mindset." he's excused...
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26th November 2011, 11:01 AM	#234
edge Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where my two best friends are, in here now. Posts: 5,247	Quote: If taken at face value, the Bible convincingly shows that God the Father is all powerful and that He fully intends to bring His plan to a successful conclusion, despite the best efforts of those in the physical and spiritual realms. Therefore, what we see taking place in the world cannot be God scrambling to make the best of a bad situation, but rather God's original plan unfolding. But, as strange as it seems when viewed logically in the light of Scripture, this obvious conclusion that God the Father is in total control of all things is not acknowledged by most who profess to worship Him. The reason most have concluded that God is NOT in absolute control is because they have accepted the idea that He has given His creation "free will." Even if the Eternal Father wants to save all of mankind (I Tim. 2:4), many believe that He can't because they have been taught that God will not force anyone to be saved against their will. Effectively, the common belief is that God has ceded His sovereignty to His creation. Therefore, the creation will determine the outcome of the divine plan, not God. The Father may not want anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance (II Pet. 3:9), but according to the prevailing view, God will NOT get what He desires. Because it is thought that He has given man the "free will" to choose life or death, some will choose NOT to be saved. In this warped scenario, the choices of mortal men are allowed to override the outcome desired by the immortal God. Yet does this understanding square with what the Bible says? Let's see what the Scriptures teach about God's plan for ALL mankind: JOHN 12:32 "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw [helkuso] ALL people to myself." (NRSV) In this statement, Messiah Yeshua gives us a glimpse into what God planned to accomplish through the sacrifice of His Son. It's clear from the next verse (John 12:33) that the phrase "lifted up" was a reference to Yeshua's impending crucifixion. The Messiah plainly understood that his sacrificial death was a necessary part of God's plan which would eventually lead to ALL mankind accepting him as their Lord ("Master"). Paul expands on the words of Yeshua to confirm the end result of his atoning death: PHILIPPIANS 2:8 He humbled himself, by becoming obedient to the point of death — even death on a cross! 9 As a result God exalted him and gave him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY knee will bow — in heaven and on earth and under the earth — 11 and EVERY tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. (NET) Yeshua's ability to put aside his own desires and do the will of the Father resulted in God exalting him above all things except Himself (I Cor. 15:27). In the end, the entire creation will bow to Yeshua and confess that he is Lord. This outcome will bring glory to God the Father, because it will signal the successful completion of this phase of His plan. TITUS 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared for the salvation of ALL men, (RSV) http://www.herealittletherealittle.n...e_name=Mystery I think this hits the nail on the head. See you'll also be saved. This will be my last post. For now.
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26th November 2011, 11:34 AM	#235
Mr. Scott Under the Amazing One's Wing Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA Posts: 2,279	Originally Posted by edge Edge turns his back and talks to friends and says," don't pay attention to gramps he just got a closed mindset." he's excused... edge, maybe YOU are the gramps with the closed mindset. Scriptures prove God just as comic books prove Superman. Give us something that's convincing beyond what's only happening in your head, because your reports of your feelings that God is real convince no one. Where's the beef?
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