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29th November 2011, 03:07 AM
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A debunking of all the BBC propaganda pieces over the years
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwcL-..._order&list=UL |
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29th November 2011, 03:27 AM
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I made it through five minutes. What do I win?
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29th November 2011, 03:47 AM
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propaganda is such an odd thing, marokkaan. In fact, did you know that one can use propaganda to debunk propaganda?
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29th November 2011, 04:35 AM
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I'd like to watch it, but I have Marokkaan on IGNORE. What does it say?
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for the original publication Who Still Believes in 9/11 Conspiracies? for Google Books Becoming Taiwan: From Colonialism to Democracy |
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29th November 2011, 04:53 AM
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So they tried to set a copy of the 9/11 Commission report on fire, but it went out. So then they ripped out a bunch of pages and put them in a pile on top and tried again. When that didn't quite work out they used some kind of spray can on the smoldering pile which created a burst of flame but still, it looked like it was going to go out shortly, and then they moved on, we don't ever see the pile of ashes.
Truthers having a hard time with the physics of fire. Unintentionally hilarious beyond words. |
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29th November 2011, 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Scott Sommers
This implies the OP doesn't think it's worth the effort to put its argument into words, so I figure it can't be worth my time to watch it. |
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29th November 2011, 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Scott Sommers
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"We will punish the murderer together. Our punishment will be more generosity, more tolerance and more democracy." - Fabian Stang, Mayor of Oslo SSKCAS, covert member |
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29th November 2011, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers
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29th November 2011, 05:32 AM
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Burning books.
Classy. I could have better spent my time looking at lolcats... |
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29th November 2011, 05:47 AM
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29th November 2011, 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Oystein
"I'll go in all this is not the feeling that up there on cloud drölf ... right next to Bavaria in the sky (Luja sucked i) John Cage shrieking with laughter now, because no one has understood the joke behind his song." I liked the club mix for "4'33" better... |
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29th November 2011, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Oystein
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Join the team, Show us what your machine can do (or just contribute to a good cause)Join the JREF Folders ! Team 13232 "Remember that the goal of conspiracy rhetoric is to bog down the discussion, not to make progress toward a solution" Jay Windley |
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29th November 2011, 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Marokkaan
Do you know what "debunking" means? It means to take specific claims and to expose those claims as false. It does not mean re-edit the same old debunked nonsense into yet another farrago of lies, quote-mines and irrelevencies. |
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29th November 2011, 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Oystein
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"If the true believers keep chanting their prayers when facing the enemy, their faith will save them."-LSSBB "The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. " - Marcus Aurelius A Truther is a True Believer convinced by lies. You can lead a truther to facts but you can't reason someone out of a thing they weren't reasoned into.- modified Twain or Swift |
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29th November 2011, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BasqueArch
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"Things that never happened before happen all the time." (Scott Sagan, 1993) "Put down the Wite-Out and step away from the dictionary." (000063, 2012) "Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof." (John Kenneth Galbraith, 1971) |
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29th November 2011, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by LSSBB
But don't make me post my Crash Worship videos [Oystein] Crash Worship | Bremen @ Wehrschloss 
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"If the true believers keep chanting their prayers when facing the enemy, their faith will save them."-LSSBB "The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. " - Marcus Aurelius A Truther is a True Believer convinced by lies. You can lead a truther to facts but you can't reason someone out of a thing they weren't reasoned into.- modified Twain or Swift |
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29th November 2011, 07:32 AM
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Ahh thanks guys for putting the E back into JREF that Marokkaan stole!
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29th November 2011, 07:34 AM
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This is my favourite. It deals with free fall speed.
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29th November 2011, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by waypastvne
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29th November 2011, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by angrysoba
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29th November 2011, 12:18 PM
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911 resource site by Mark Roberts http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/home Gravy: Christopher7; You are a Basking Shark in a sea of ignorance. Galileo:The jury said I didn't have any mental defects or diseases, they declared me 100% sane. Has a jury ever declared you sane? Don’t get me lol’n off my chesterfield dude. |
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29th November 2011, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Marokkaan
Are you too lazy to see 911 truth claims are nonsense? Too lazy, too much ignorance on 911 to take a stand, so you post and run away. |
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29th November 2011, 01:19 PM
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I see the trolling machine is working here.....
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29th November 2011, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Marokkaan
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Join the team, Show us what your machine can do (or just contribute to a good cause)Join the JREF Folders ! Team 13232 "Remember that the goal of conspiracy rhetoric is to bog down the discussion, not to make progress toward a solution" Jay Windley |
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29th November 2011, 02:05 PM
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I see the spamming machine is working here.....again......
(Someone quote me. Marokkaan ignored me months ago. ) |
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29th November 2011, 02:06 PM
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911 CTers have to be pretty stupid to fall for these lame youtube videos.
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29th November 2011, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by triforcharity
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29th November 2011, 02:28 PM
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The bbc failed with their propaganda. Next!
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29th November 2011, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Marokkaan
Originally Posted by DGM
Originally Posted by triforcharity
Marokkaan's trolling OP resulted in 21 responding posts before Marokkaan made a further post. So one trolling post results in 21 responses - Or eT(raw) = 21. That seems to be very efficient trolling. Note the "raw" notation in eT(raw). So far I used only the bare number of posts. No allowance for the quality of the trolling. So it is "raw" data and only an approximate measure - no recognition of the "quality" of trolling. Suggestions welcomed as to how we could allow for trolling quality. The issue I have in mind is that some of our trolls can get "bites" without resorting to rudeness and insults whilst other trolls rely strongly on insult. The clever "no insults" trolling should merit a higher score IMO. Another factor is use of intelligence. It takes skill/intelligence to appear stupid and to do it consistently. So our trolling efficiency index needs at least two more parameters: 1: A demerits score kdem for relying on insults; AND 2: A cleverness score kint for managing to consistently appear stupid without revealing any underlying intelligence. So if pT is number of troll posts and pR is number of responses to the troll posts... Then eT = (pR/pT)*(kint/ kdem) Probably some more work is needed. BUT we can start measuring the performance of our trolls. 
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29th November 2011, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Marokkaan
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29th November 2011, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Marokkaan
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AVENGERS!!!.. Turn off the dark! |
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29th November 2011, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Marokkaan
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29th November 2011, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Marokkaan
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Originally Posted by ozeco41
I have been giving some thought as to how we measure the performance of trolls. One possibility is to look at "Trolling Efficiency" call it eT(raw).
Marokkaan's trolling OP resulted in 21 responding posts before Marokkaan made a further post. So one trolling post results in 21 responses - Or eT(raw) = 21. That seems to be very efficient trolling. Note the "raw" notation in eT(raw). So far I used only the bare number of posts. No allowance for the quality of the trolling. So it is "raw" data and only an approximate measure - no recognition of the "quality" of trolling. Suggestions welcomed as to how we could allow for trolling quality. The issue I have in mind is that some of our trolls can get "bites" without resorting to rudeness and insults whilst other trolls rely strongly on insult. The clever "no insults" trolling should merit a higher score IMO. Another factor is use of intelligence. It takes skill/intelligence to appear stupid and to do it consistently. So our trolling efficiency index needs at least two more parameters: 1: A demerits score kdem for relying on insults; AND 2: A cleverness score kint for managing to consistently appear stupid without revealing any underlying intelligence. So if pT is number of troll posts and pR is number of responses to the troll posts... Then eT = (pR/pT)*(kint/ kdem) Probably some more work is needed. BUT we can start measuring the performance of our trolls.
Do you have that on youtube somewhere? Or, better yet, some queoote kittay katz? |
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29th November 2011, 05:20 PM
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more fail from the 9/11 truth movement. same old claims, nothing new, same old already long debunked trash which continues to circulate at 'truth'.
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29th November 2011, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ozeco41
I have been giving some thought as to how we measure the performance of trolls. One possibility is to look at "Trolling Efficiency" call it eT(raw).
Marokkaan's trolling OP resulted in 21 responding posts before Marokkaan made a further post. So one trolling post results in 21 responses - Or eT(raw) = 21. That seems to be very efficient trolling. Note the "raw" notation in eT(raw). So far I used only the bare number of posts. No allowance for the quality of the trolling. So it is "raw" data and only an approximate measure - no recognition of the "quality" of trolling. Suggestions welcomed as to how we could allow for trolling quality. The issue I have in mind is that some of our trolls can get "bites" without resorting to rudeness and insults whilst other trolls rely strongly on insult. The clever "no insults" trolling should merit a higher score IMO. Another factor is use of intelligence. It takes skill/intelligence to appear stupid and to do it consistently. So our trolling efficiency index needs at least two more parameters: 1: A demerits score kdem for relying on insults; AND 2: A cleverness score kint for managing to consistently appear stupid without revealing any underlying intelligence. So if pT is number of troll posts and pR is number of responses to the troll posts... Then eT = (pR/pT)*(kint/ kdem) Probably some more work is needed. BUT we can start measuring the performance of our trolls.
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29th November 2011, 07:13 PM
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I miss back when Marokkaan used to post crazy things himself rather than just spamming youtube links. Though I guess his second post in this thread is pretty crazy.
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29th November 2011, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BaaBaa
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Originally Posted by ozeco41
Probably some more work is needed. BUT we can start measuring the performance of our trolls.
I'm not gonna preach any innocence here though, I do respond to these things more often than I should, even I know as much
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