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Lord Kenneth · 10th March 2003, 05:09 PM

...does the Logical Goddess put you in jail?

If you go faster than the speed of light, does she give you a speeding ticket?

justsaygnosis · 10th March 2003, 05:31 PM

Baiting???

Franko · 10th March 2003, 05:36 PM

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...does the Logical Goddess put you in jail?

Nahhh … you’ll just “cease to exist” … don’t ya think?

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If you go faster than the speed of light, does she give you a speeding ticket?

Nothing can go faster than the speed of light … can it?

justsaygnosis · 10th March 2003, 05:45 PM

Frank I'm kind of let down.
I figured you'd say that if we 'broke' one of TLOP it wouldn't really be a violation but the discovery of a new facet of them we never saw before.

Franko · 10th March 2003, 05:51 PM

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Frank I'm kind of let down.
I figured you'd say that if we 'broke' one of TLOP it wouldn't really be a violation but the discovery of a new facet of them we never saw before.

The rules are there already. They are there whether you see them or not, and if you DO see them, but you pretend that you don’t … well … someone who does know the rules is going to run roughshod all over you at … “will”.

It’d be kind of like playing a highly interactive computer game with a 2 year old.

… Poor little thing can’t even get his hand around that mouse properly.

justsaygnosis · 10th March 2003, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by Franko

The rules are there already. They are there whether you see them or not, and if you DO see them, but you pretend that you don’t … well … someone who does know the rules is going to run roughshod all over you at … “will”.

It’d be kind of like playing a highly interactive computer game with a 2 year old.

… Poor little thing can’t even get his hand around that mouse properly.

I think you missed my point. We most likely haven't yet learned all there is to know.

c4ts · 10th March 2003, 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by Dark Cobra
...does the Logical Goddess put you in jail?

If you go faster than the speed of light, does she give you a speeding ticket?

No, we just rework TLOP until it turns out that you were obeying them all along. That's what science is all about.

Franko · 10th March 2003, 06:22 PM

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I think you missed my point. We most likely haven't yet learned all there is to know.

Haven’t you heard? Heisenberg already decided what You get to learn … it’s all random “acausal” magic … there no way to “Know” it. You just have to pray to the almighty, non-conscious, sky-machine for a favorable collapse of the waveform.

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No, we just rework TLOP until it turns out that you were obeying them all along. That's what science is all about.

Ahhh, I see … so your theory is, that at the end of the day “science” is going to come in and save you from the consequences of your actions?

Maybe you should have used your “free will” powers to get yourself Hefner’s DNA instead?

Tricky · 10th March 2003, 06:25 PM

Normally when you break the laws of physics, you get the Nobel Prize. Einstein did it when he broke the laws of physics by discovering the special theory of relativity.

Franko did it when he discovered that gravitons have spin and charge. (Franko's Nobel Prize is still pending).

Franko · 10th March 2003, 06:27 PM

Hey if I get a Nobel does that make you Cardinal Bellarmine Trixy?

Tricky · 10th March 2003, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by Franko
Hey if I get a Nobel does that make you Cardinal Bellarmine Trixy?

That would definately be a Cardinal Sin.

c4ts · 10th March 2003, 07:09 PM

If Franko wins a Nobel prize I'll shave my head and become a Logical Deist.

10th March 2003, 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by Dark Cobra
...does the Logical Goddess put you in jail?

If you go faster than the speed of light, does she give you a speeding ticket?

186,000 mps... It's not just a good idea, it's the law!

The relationship between mass and energy predicts mass will increase geometrically as a result of increasing velocity, to the point that an object's mass becomes nearly infinite as it approaches light speed, requiring nearly infinite energy to accelerate it any further. If this is wrong, then we are also drastically wrong in our understanding of the universe: a degree of error that physicists are confident does not exist.
This bit about TLOP: We have never broken them, but in the past our understanding of them was limited, and so limited was our understanding of what is possible.

Shroud of Akron · 10th March 2003, 08:05 PM

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Originally posted by Kiri

186,000 mph... It's not just a good idea, it's the law!

The relationship between mass and energy predicts mass will increase geometrically as a result of increasing velocity, to the point that an object's mass becomes nearly infinite as it approaches light speed, requiring nearly infinite energy to accelerate it any further. If this is wrong, then we are also drastically wrong in our understanding of the universe: a degree of error that physicists are confident does not exist.
This bit about TLOP: We have never broken them, but in the past our understanding of them was limited, and so limited was our understanding of what is possible.

i believe that there has been a new theory floating around for the past few years which contradicts E=Mc2. it states, that while nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, light does not always travel at the same speed. there is a great article on this in the newest Discover Magazine. i'm not qualified to explain it, so i suggest you read it, it's a great read.

10th March 2003, 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by Shroud of Akron
i believe that there has been a new theory floating around for the past few years which contradicts E=Mc2. it states, that while nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, light does not always travel at the same speed. there is a great article on this in the newest Discover Magazine. i'm not qualified to explain it, so i suggest you read it, it's a great read.

Now, I HAVE heard of that, but have no understanding. But it does underscore the admission that our knowledge is incomplete.
I'll look for something about it.

Lord Kenneth · 11th March 2003, 05:04 AM

I don't like the Logical Goddess. She's too Authorian.

MRC_Hans · 11th March 2003, 05:27 AM

The speed of light ( C ) is the speed of light in a vacuum. In other media, light may (and usually does) travel slowlier. Actually, this is the way lenses and prisms work.

Hans

whitefork · 11th March 2003, 05:31 AM

If you break the laws of physics they put you in a prism.

Tricky · 11th March 2003, 05:37 AM

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Originally posted by whitefork
If you break the laws of physics they put you in a prism.

OW OW OW OW!!!

Akots · 11th March 2003, 05:40 AM

Go directly to a refracting topological pyramid; Do not pass go! Do not collect $293.18(CAN)!

RonSceptic · 11th March 2003, 07:42 AM

Regarding the speed of light, does anyone know anything about Quantum Mechanical Tunneling? I may be wrong but I though it provided a possibility for faster than light data transfer.

Anyone know anything about it? Or was it all a dream?

Franko · 11th March 2003, 07:45 AM

Quantum Entanglement (The EPR paradox) is also another WELL established example of information apparently traveling faster than the speed of light.

RonSceptic · 11th March 2003, 07:51 AM

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Originally posted by Franko
Quantum Entanglement (The EPR paradox) is also another WELL established example of information apparently traveling faster than the speed of light.

So I guess that the speed of light is not the maximum speed within TLOP?

Franko · 11th March 2003, 07:56 AM

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So I guess that the speed of light is not the maximum speed within TLOP?

Not in my opinion. Obviously there are some things which travel faster than the speed of light. In the other thread I have been asking what would happen if you had 2 space ships traveling in opposite directions each at 70% the speed of light. Wouldn't they be seperating at 420,000 kms and isn't the speed of light only 300,000 kms?

RonSceptic · 11th March 2003, 08:12 AM

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Originally posted by Franko

Not in my opinion. Obviously there are some things which travel faster than the speed of light. In the other thread I have been asking what would happen if you had 2 space ships traveling in opposite directions each at 70% the speed of light. Wouldn't they be seperating at 420,000 kms and isn't the speed of light only 300,000 kms?

No. This is a variation of walking along the train argument. If a train were travelling at the speed of light and you walked from the back to the front wouldn't that mean you travelled faster than light?

The answer is no. If you could measure your speed it would be the speed of light. But speed = distance/time? As you have travelled further than the rear of the train surely you must have travelled faster? Aparently not. The speed is the same. Given that the distance is greater it can mean only one thing. i.e. the time unit has altered. Time passes at varing rates according to motion. Hence the twins in a rocket analogy that is commonly used.

This is infact how we arrive at the concept of time and space being relative rather than absolute measures. It's pretty counter intuitive, but there it is.

MRC_Hans · 11th March 2003, 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by Franko
Quantum Entanglement (The EPR paradox) is also another WELL established example of information apparently traveling faster than the speed of light.

Quote:

Originally posted by Franko
Not in my opinion. Obviously there are some things which travel faster than the speed of light. In the other thread I have been asking what would happen if you had 2 space ships traveling in opposite directions each at 70% the speed of light. Wouldn't they be seperating at 420,000 kms and isn't the speed of light only 300,000 kms?

Now, that is PURE trolling!

You generally reject quantum mechanics, then suddenly there is "another WELL established " example from QM when it suits you purpose. Blatant double standard.

And the "two ships paradox" has been painstakingly explained to you in another thread, you have even conceded to more or less accept the explanation over there, and now you shamelessly bring it up here again.

Edited to say, now I calmed down a little: What redeems you a bit is that this is obviously a trolling thread.

Hans

whitefork · 11th March 2003, 08:27 AM

Can I troll too?

With regard to two photons starting at the sun and moving apart in opposite directions at velocity C, do they even exist within each other's past?

Franko · 11th March 2003, 08:44 AM

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With regard to two photons starting at the sun and moving apart in opposite directions at velocity C, do they even exist within each other's past?

Ahhh, what difference does it make? I thought the present wasn't based on the past?

whitefork · 11th March 2003, 08:56 AM

I think your mean time between clues is increasing exponentially, troll.

Franko · 11th March 2003, 09:05 AM

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I think your mean time between clues is increasing exponentially, troll.

Ohhh Please whitebread! ... Why don't you run along and proclaim how 2 + 2 = 4 has an invisible flaw that only 'smart" A-Theists can perceive some more?

Tricky · 11th March 2003, 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by Franko

Ohhh Please whitebread! ... Why don't you run along and proclaim how 2 + 2 = 4 has an invisible flaw that only 'smart" A-Theists can perceive some more?

I'm sure you meant to say that you were a figment of our imaginations.

RonSceptic · 11th March 2003, 09:10 AM

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Originally posted by Tricky

I'm sure you meant to say that you were a figment of our imaginations.

If only!

whitefork · 11th March 2003, 09:11 AM

Hey, troll, let's see your proof that 2+2=4 and then we'll find the flaw in it.

Of course, we'll need your definition of "proof" first, troll.

RonSceptic · 11th March 2003, 09:14 AM

I guess there is not much going on in Baltimore or Boston.

whitefork · 11th March 2003, 09:23 AM

Lunch time.

Is that pronounced "Lester-shur", Ron?

RonSceptic · 11th March 2003, 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by whitefork
Lunch time.

Is that pronounced "Lester-shur", Ron?

Yup! It makes no sense at all. Just like the silent 'w' in Norwich. I wonder why TLOP made those folks who put the English language together so inconsistant?

whitefork · 11th March 2003, 09:41 AM

Makes perfect sense to me, Ron. We got "Worchester" (pr. Wistah if you grew up there) and Dorchester (Dahchestah), Taunton (Taht'n), Medford (Meffa), Billerica (Bill-ricker), and a host of other idiosyncracies. Makes my heart soar like a hawk.

And not to forget the jewel of the Chesapeake, Balmur. (Baltimore)

RonSceptic · 11th March 2003, 09:47 AM

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Originally posted by whitefork
Makes perfect sense to me, Ron. We got "Worchester" (pr. Wistah if you grew up there) and Dorchester (Dahchestah), Taunton (Taht'n), Medford (Meffa), Billerica (Bill-ricker), and a host of other idiosyncracies. Makes my heart soar like a hawk.

The worst one is the rather upper class sirname in the UK written as 'St Ledger' pronounced 'saltinger'. I belive 'St John' is also pronounced 'singen'.

RonSceptic · 11th March 2003, 09:48 AM

And I forgot to add..

Worsester is pronounced 'Wuster' here.

whitefork · 11th March 2003, 09:54 AM

Not being a Massachusetts native, I don't always get the nuances right. (18 years in Meffa helped a lot, though) Does Wuster actually have an R sound at the end in England? Here, it depends on where the speaker grew up. We get Wistah, Wooster and several variations in between.

10th March 2003, 05:09 PM	#1
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10th March 2003, 05:31 PM	#2
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10th March 2003, 05:36 PM	#3
Franko Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 2,338	Quote: ...does the Logical Goddess put you in jail? Nahhh … you’ll just “cease to exist” … don’t ya think? Quote: If you go faster than the speed of light, does she give you a speeding ticket? Nothing can go faster than the speed of light … can it?
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10th March 2003, 05:45 PM	#4
justsaygnosis Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 263	Frank I'm kind of let down. I figured you'd say that if we 'broke' one of TLOP it wouldn't really be a violation but the discovery of a new facet of them we never saw before.
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10th March 2003, 05:51 PM	#5
Franko Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 2,338	Quote: Frank I'm kind of let down. I figured you'd say that if we 'broke' one of TLOP it wouldn't really be a violation but the discovery of a new facet of them we never saw before. The rules are there already. They are there whether you see them or not, and if you DO see them, but you pretend that you don’t … well … someone who does know the rules is going to run roughshod all over you at … “will”. It’d be kind of like playing a highly interactive computer game with a 2 year old. … Poor little thing can’t even get his hand around that mouse properly.
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10th March 2003, 05:58 PM	#6
justsaygnosis Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 263	Quote: Originally posted by Franko The rules are there already. They are there whether you see them or not, and if you DO see them, but you pretend that you don’t … well … someone who does know the rules is going to run roughshod all over you at … “will”. It’d be kind of like playing a highly interactive computer game with a 2 year old. … Poor little thing can’t even get his hand around that mouse properly. I think you missed my point. We most likely haven't yet learned all there is to know.
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10th March 2003, 06:01 PM	#7
c4ts Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Your base Posts: 8,427	Re: If you break TLOP... Quote: Originally posted by Dark Cobra ...does the Logical Goddess put you in jail? If you go faster than the speed of light, does she give you a speeding ticket? No, we just rework TLOP until it turns out that you were obeying them all along. That's what science is all about.
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10th March 2003, 06:22 PM	#8
Franko Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 2,338	Quote: I think you missed my point. We most likely haven't yet learned all there is to know. Haven’t you heard? Heisenberg already decided what You get to learn … it’s all random “acausal” magic … there no way to “Know” it. You just have to pray to the almighty, non-conscious, sky-machine for a favorable collapse of the waveform. Quote: No, we just rework TLOP until it turns out that you were obeying them all along. That's what science is all about. Ahhh, I see … so your theory is, that at the end of the day “science” is going to come in and save you from the consequences of your actions? Maybe you should have used your “free will” powers to get yourself Hefner’s DNA instead?
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10th March 2003, 06:25 PM	#9
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,405	Normally when you break the laws of physics, you get the Nobel Prize. Einstein did it when he broke the laws of physics by discovering the special theory of relativity. Franko did it when he discovered that gravitons have spin and charge. (Franko's Nobel Prize is still pending).

10th March 2003, 06:27 PM	#10
Franko Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 2,338	Hey if I get a Nobel does that make you Cardinal Bellarmine Trixy?
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10th March 2003, 06:32 PM	#11
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,405	Quote: Originally posted by Franko Hey if I get a Nobel does that make you Cardinal Bellarmine Trixy? That would definately be a Cardinal Sin.

10th March 2003, 07:09 PM	#12
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10th March 2003, 07:58 PM	#13
Kiri Guest Posts: n/a	Re: If you break TLOP... Quote: Originally posted by Dark Cobra ...does the Logical Goddess put you in jail? If you go faster than the speed of light, does she give you a speeding ticket? 186,000 mps... It's not just a good idea, it's the law! The relationship between mass and energy predicts mass will increase geometrically as a result of increasing velocity, to the point that an object's mass becomes nearly infinite as it approaches light speed, requiring nearly infinite energy to accelerate it any further. If this is wrong, then we are also drastically wrong in our understanding of the universe: a degree of error that physicists are confident does not exist. This bit about TLOP: We have never broken them, but in the past our understanding of them was limited, and so limited was our understanding of what is possible.
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10th March 2003, 08:05 PM	#14
Shroud of Akron Thinker Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 129	Re: Re: If you break TLOP... Quote: Originally posted by Kiri 186,000 mph... It's not just a good idea, it's the law! The relationship between mass and energy predicts mass will increase geometrically as a result of increasing velocity, to the point that an object's mass becomes nearly infinite as it approaches light speed, requiring nearly infinite energy to accelerate it any further. If this is wrong, then we are also drastically wrong in our understanding of the universe: a degree of error that physicists are confident does not exist. This bit about TLOP: We have never broken them, but in the past our understanding of them was limited, and so limited was our understanding of what is possible. i believe that there has been a new theory floating around for the past few years which contradicts E=Mc2. it states, that while nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, light does not always travel at the same speed. there is a great article on this in the newest Discover Magazine. i'm not qualified to explain it, so i suggest you read it, it's a great read.
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10th March 2003, 08:11 PM	#15
Kiri Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Re: Re: If you break TLOP... Quote: Originally posted by Shroud of Akron i believe that there has been a new theory floating around for the past few years which contradicts E=Mc2. it states, that while nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, light does not always travel at the same speed. there is a great article on this in the newest Discover Magazine. i'm not qualified to explain it, so i suggest you read it, it's a great read. Now, I HAVE heard of that, but have no understanding. But it does underscore the admission that our knowledge is incomplete. I'll look for something about it.
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11th March 2003, 05:04 AM	#16
Lord Kenneth Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,623	I don't like the Logical Goddess. She's too Authorian.
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11th March 2003, 05:27 AM	#17
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Whithin earshot of the North Sea Posts: 16,604	The speed of light ( C ) is the speed of light in a vacuum. In other media, light may (and usually does) travel slowlier. Actually, this is the way lenses and prisms work. Hans
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11th March 2003, 05:31 AM	#18
whitefork None of the above Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: aka kullervo Posts: 2,339	If you break the laws of physics they put you in a prism.
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11th March 2003, 05:37 AM	#19
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,405	Quote: Originally posted by whitefork If you break the laws of physics they put you in a prism. OW OW OW OW!!!

11th March 2003, 05:40 AM	#20
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11th March 2003, 07:42 AM	#21
RonSceptic Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 514	Regarding the speed of light, does anyone know anything about Quantum Mechanical Tunneling? I may be wrong but I though it provided a possibility for faster than light data transfer. Anyone know anything about it? Or was it all a dream?
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11th March 2003, 07:45 AM	#22
Franko Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 2,338	Quantum Entanglement (The EPR paradox) is also another WELL established example of information apparently traveling faster than the speed of light.
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11th March 2003, 07:51 AM	#23
RonSceptic Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 514	Quote: Originally posted by Franko Quantum Entanglement (The EPR paradox) is also another WELL established example of information apparently traveling faster than the speed of light. So I guess that the speed of light is not the maximum speed within TLOP?
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11th March 2003, 07:56 AM	#24
Franko Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 2,338	Quote: So I guess that the speed of light is not the maximum speed within TLOP? Not in my opinion. Obviously there are some things which travel faster than the speed of light. In the other thread I have been asking what would happen if you had 2 space ships traveling in opposite directions each at 70% the speed of light. Wouldn't they be seperating at 420,000 kms and isn't the speed of light only 300,000 kms?
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11th March 2003, 08:12 AM	#25
RonSceptic Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 514	Quote: Originally posted by Franko Not in my opinion. Obviously there are some things which travel faster than the speed of light. In the other thread I have been asking what would happen if you had 2 space ships traveling in opposite directions each at 70% the speed of light. Wouldn't they be seperating at 420,000 kms and isn't the speed of light only 300,000 kms? No. This is a variation of walking along the train argument. If a train were travelling at the speed of light and you walked from the back to the front wouldn't that mean you travelled faster than light? The answer is no. If you could measure your speed it would be the speed of light. But speed = distance/time? As you have travelled further than the rear of the train surely you must have travelled faster? Aparently not. The speed is the same. Given that the distance is greater it can mean only one thing. i.e. the time unit has altered. Time passes at varing rates according to motion. Hence the twins in a rocket analogy that is commonly used. This is infact how we arrive at the concept of time and space being relative rather than absolute measures. It's pretty counter intuitive, but there it is.
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11th March 2003, 08:19 AM	#26
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Whithin earshot of the North Sea Posts: 16,604	Quote: Originally posted by Franko Quantum Entanglement (The EPR paradox) is also another WELL established example of information apparently traveling faster than the speed of light. Quote: Originally posted by Franko Not in my opinion. Obviously there are some things which travel faster than the speed of light. In the other thread I have been asking what would happen if you had 2 space ships traveling in opposite directions each at 70% the speed of light. Wouldn't they be seperating at 420,000 kms and isn't the speed of light only 300,000 kms? Now, that is PURE trolling! You generally reject quantum mechanics, then suddenly there is "another WELL established " example from QM when it suits you purpose. Blatant double standard. And the "two ships paradox" has been painstakingly explained to you in another thread, you have even conceded to more or less accept the explanation over there, and now you shamelessly bring it up here again. Edited to say, now I calmed down a little: What redeems you a bit is that this is obviously a trolling thread. Hans
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11th March 2003, 08:27 AM	#27
whitefork None of the above Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: aka kullervo Posts: 2,339	Can I troll too? With regard to two photons starting at the sun and moving apart in opposite directions at velocity C, do they even exist within each other's past?
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11th March 2003, 08:44 AM	#28
Franko Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 2,338	Quote: With regard to two photons starting at the sun and moving apart in opposite directions at velocity C, do they even exist within each other's past? Ahhh, what difference does it make? I thought the present wasn't based on the past?
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11th March 2003, 08:56 AM	#29
whitefork None of the above Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: aka kullervo Posts: 2,339	I think your mean time between clues is increasing exponentially, troll.
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11th March 2003, 09:05 AM	#30
Franko Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 2,338	Quote: I think your mean time between clues is increasing exponentially, troll. Ohhh Please whitebread! ... Why don't you run along and proclaim how 2 + 2 = 4 has an invisible flaw that only 'smart" A-Theists can perceive some more?
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11th March 2003, 09:08 AM	#31
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,405	Quote: Originally posted by Franko Ohhh Please whitebread! ... Why don't you run along and proclaim how 2 + 2 = 4 has an invisible flaw that only 'smart" A-Theists can perceive some more? I'm sure you meant to say that you were a figment of our imaginations.

11th March 2003, 09:10 AM	#32
RonSceptic Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 514	Quote: Originally posted by Tricky I'm sure you meant to say that you were a figment of our imaginations. If only!
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11th March 2003, 09:11 AM	#33
whitefork None of the above Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: aka kullervo Posts: 2,339	Hey, troll, let's see your proof that 2+2=4 and then we'll find the flaw in it. Of course, we'll need your definition of "proof" first, troll.
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11th March 2003, 09:14 AM	#34
RonSceptic Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 514	I guess there is not much going on in Baltimore or Boston.
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11th March 2003, 09:23 AM	#35
whitefork None of the above Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: aka kullervo Posts: 2,339	Lunch time. Is that pronounced "Lester-shur", Ron?
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