Do you think The Age of Transformation will come about?

[dafydd]

So anyone who disagrees with taotransformation is a douche? Is that what tuning in and raising your vibrations does to one? Pass.

[taotransformation]

There is no collective consciousness? I think there definitely is. How do you explain two things being discovered at the same time on different parts of the planet? & So what if we don't have a vibratometer that measures our collective consciousness vibrations? Everythings interconnected - So why wouldn't it be so that if people worked on not identifying with their ego and really taking an interest and responsibility for the way they behave, this would in effect cause a synergistic response from people.. and we can forget about identifying with form primarily and focus on things that truly matter. - This was just an idea.. if you aren't seeking to truly understand me first but are listening just to have a response that is designed to counter mine then I will gladly leave you with the final word. One love

[ynot]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

Thanks just wondering. To you pessimistic douches who replied with a hell no, thank you, now I remember just why we can't raise our collective consciousness. So we can air "Jersey Shore" on MTV and have half of America fist pumping and using their cheesy phrases but we can't promote the idea that if we all carried the intention of transforming our current collective consciousness into a higher plane is just too far out huh? The idea of the age of Information was absurd as well, but Bill Gates had the vision of everyone having a computer in their household.. now they're practically in everyone's pockets. I believe an age is coming soon where social status, roles, is all uprooted and what will be left is just the intention to go beyond form and really tune into the abundance the world has to offer.

Why do you claim that - "The idea of the age of Information was absurd"?
Any evidence to support this absurd claim?

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

There is no collective consciousness? I think there definitely is. How do you explain two things being discovered at the same time on different parts of the planet? & So what if we don't have a vibratometer that measures our collective consciousness vibrations? Everythings interconnected - So why wouldn't it be so that if people worked on not identifying with their ego and really taking an interest and responsibility for the way they behave, this would in effect cause a synergistic response from people.. and we can forget about identifying with form primarily and focus on things that truly matter. - This was just an idea.. if you aren't seeking to truly understand me first but are listening just to have a response that is designed to counter mine then I will gladly leave you with the final word. One love

Examples please. One love is two words. How do you now that I and others do not take responsibility for the way they behave? Have you met and investigated everyone in the world? I am a responsible father. You might have children too when you leave your teenage years behind.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

How do you explain two things being discovered at the same time on different parts of the planet?

Well, There's billions of potential discoverers and countless potential discoveries, so you have cited quite possibly the least amazing coincidence imaginable.

[taotransformation]

lol k thanks you're absolutely right I wanted thoughts unfiltered & I got em It does sound airy fairy but alls I'm saying is that the power of trends, social networking, and pretty much anything takes up a wave of interest at a collective level is amazing! You know when something gains popularity and becomes sort of a thing that everyone gets involved with. You know - Vote or Die shirts, Livestrong wristbands, Twitter, WINNING! shirts by charlie sheen, - It would be cool if the idea of the flowering of human consciousness was floating around at the same level of exposure some of the trendy things get today. I think it would inevitably lead to people taking responsibility to play their role here as a human a little fuller, if it was something that was kind of promoted everywhere.. - sorry i didnt mean to say pessimistic douches, I guess i was just insulted at an ego level but I respect anything anyone says here

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by Marquis de Carabas

Well, There's billions of potential discoverers and countless potential discoveries, so you have cited quite possibly the least amazing coincidence imaginable.

And provided no examples.

[ynot]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

There is no collective consciousness?

I have yet to see any credible evidence that there is.

Originally Posted by taotransformation

I think there definitely is.

Your thoughts and beliefs aren't credible evidence.

Waffle removed . . .

Originally Posted by taotransformation

if you aren't seeking to truly understand me first but are listening just to have a response that is designed to counter mine

You asked for our thoughts, not that we understand you. You really should learn to ask for what you want.

Originally Posted by taotransformation

then I will gladly leave you with the final word. One love

Is "pessimistic douches" an example of your "One love"?

[Twiler]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

There is no collective consciousness? I think there definitely is. How do you explain two things being discovered at the same time on different parts of the planet? & So what if we don't have a vibratometer that measures our collective consciousness vibrations? Everythings interconnected - So why wouldn't it be so that if people worked on not identifying with their ego and really taking an interest and responsibility for the way they behave, this would in effect cause a synergistic response from people.. and we can forget about identifying with form primarily and focus on things that truly matter. - This was just an idea.. if you aren't seeking to truly understand me first but are listening just to have a response that is designed to counter mine then I will gladly leave you with the final word. One love

This is pretty much what dozens of other people have said on these forums. Can you offer anything new that would cause us to pay attention?

[the PC apeman]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

There is no collective consciousness? I think there definitely is.

Okay. Convince me.

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How do you explain two things being discovered at the same time on different parts of the planet?

Coincidence? IDK. What are you talking about here?

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& So what if we don't have a vibratometer that measures our collective consciousness vibrations?

Then find some other way to be convincing that the things you talk about have merit.

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Everythings interconnected

Everything is made of the same sort of stuff, as far as we know. Did you have some other kind of interconnectedness in mind? Please be more specific.

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So why wouldn't it be so that if people worked on not identifying with their ego and really taking an interest and responsibility for the way they behave, this would in effect cause a synergistic response from people

I can't answer the "why" question with out understanding your premises. Do these things stand up to close scrutiny?

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and we can forget about identifying with form primarily and focus on things that truly matter.

What does it mean for something to truly matter? Matter to who?

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This was just an idea.

That's fine. I like ideas. But I am more impressed with coherent ideas.

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if you aren't seeking to truly understand me first but are listening just to have a response that is designed to counter mine then I will gladly leave you with the final word.

Don't you intend to engage with questions about your idea? Are we supposed to received it whole and without examination? If so, I reject it. But I'm open to you providing answers that might change my mind.

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One love

What does this mean to you?

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

lol k thanks you're absolutely right I wanted thoughts unfiltered & I got em It does sound airy fairy but alls I'm saying is that the power of trends, social networking, and pretty much anything takes up a wave of interest at a collective level is amazing! You know when something gains popularity and becomes sort of a thing that everyone gets involved with. You know - Vote or Die shirts, Livestrong wristbands, Twitter, WINNING! shirts by charlie sheen, - It would be cool if the idea of the flowering of human consciousness was floating around at the same level of exposure some of the trendy things get today. I think it would inevitably lead to people taking responsibility to play their role here as a human a little fuller, if it was something that was kind of promoted everywhere.. - sorry i didnt mean to say pessimistic douches, I guess i was just insulted at an ego level but I respect anything anyone says here

Once again you make a sweeping statement with no basis in reality. I live in Belgium and everyone does not wear Vote Or Die T shirts and I have no idea what a Livestrong wristband is and I doubt if the majority of the world's population know. Just because everyone in your school gets carried away with something does not mean that it sweeps the world. Once again, have you interviewed everyone in the world? Most of the people I know take full responsibility for their lives, the ones who don't have alcohol or drug problems.

[the PC apeman]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

It would be cool if the idea of the flowering of human consciousness was floating around at the same level of exposure some of the trendy things get today.

What does it mean for human consciousness to flower?

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I think it would inevitably lead to people taking responsibility to play their role here as a human a little fuller

How could a human possibly not play their role as a human? That doesn't sound logically possible. Do you think there is some sort of destiny or state of completion that humans are intended to fulfill?

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sorry i didnt mean to say pessimistic douches, I guess i was just insulted at an ego level but I respect anything anyone says here

Do you respect direct questions seeking details and clarification?

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by the PC apeman

Do you respect direct questions seeking details and clarification?

That remains to be seen.

[taotransformation]

Okay you turned my little post over and over and completely dissected it and chewed it up and spat it out. Thank you really. Maybe you are some sort of old brilliant philosopher like plato reincarnated. Thanks for your input. Maybe you should write a book and I could read it and completely just transform myself into whatever it is you are . later

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

Okay you turned my little post over and over and completely dissected it and chewed it up and spat it out. Thank you really. Maybe you are some sort of old brilliant philosopher like plato reincarnated. Thanks for your input. Maybe you should write a book and I could read it and completely just transform myself into whatever it is you are . later

I only asked for clarification. How do you know that I am not playing my role as a human to the full? You are the same as me, a human being. Drop the hissy fit and try and answer the questions.

[Twiler]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

Okay you turned my little post over and over and completely dissected it and chewed it up and spat it out. Thank you really. Maybe you are some sort of old brilliant philosopher like plato reincarnated. Thanks for your input. Maybe you should write a book and I could read it and completely just transform myself into whatever it is you are . later

So, you're just giving up?

[ynot]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

lol k thanks you're absolutely right I wanted thoughts unfiltered & I got em It does sound airy fairy but alls I'm saying is that the power of trends, social networking, and pretty much anything takes up a wave of interest at a collective level is amazing! You know when something gains popularity and becomes sort of a thing that everyone gets involved with. You know - Vote or Die shirts, Livestrong wristbands, Twitter, WINNING! shirts by charlie sheen, - It would be cool if the idea of the flowering of human consciousness was floating around at the same level of exposure some of the trendy things get today. I think it would inevitably lead to people taking responsibility to play their role here as a human a little fuller, if it was something that was kind of promoted everywhere.. - sorry i didnt mean to say pessimistic douches, I guess i was just insulted at an ego level but I respect anything anyone says here

All very “touchy, feely nice”, but hope you are able to find some intellectual and emotional maturity some time soon. Apology accepted (thanks) and a good sign of a possible maturity Transformation occuring.

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by Twiler

So, you're just giving up?

Pumping up your vibrations saps your gumption.

[Spindrift]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

lol k thanks you're absolutely right I wanted thoughts unfiltered & I got em It does sound airy fairy but alls I'm saying is that the power of trends, social networking, and pretty much anything takes up a wave of interest at a collective level is amazing! You know when something gains popularity and becomes sort of a thing that everyone gets involved with. You know - Vote or Die shirts, Livestrong wristbands, Twitter, WINNING! shirts by charlie sheen, - It would be cool if the idea of the flowering of human consciousness was floating around at the same level of exposure some of the trendy things get today. I think it would inevitably lead to people taking responsibility to play their role here as a human a little fuller, if it was something that was kind of promoted everywhere.. - sorry i didnt mean to say pessimistic douches, I guess i was just insulted at an ego level but I respect anything anyone says here

Those 'trendy' things flash for a moment and then disappear, usually forever. Is that what you want for the 'flowering of human consciousness'? Whatever that is. Could you explain it for me?

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

Okay you turned my little post over and over and completely dissected it and chewed it up and spat it out. Thank you really. Maybe you are some sort of old brilliant philosopher like plato reincarnated. Thanks for your input. Maybe you should write a book and I could read it and completely just transform myself into whatever it is you are . later

So much for respecting anything anyone says here.

[ynot]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

Okay you turned my little post over and over and completely dissected it and chewed it up and spat it out. Thank you really. Maybe you are some sort of old brilliant philosopher like plato reincarnated. Thanks for your input. Maybe you should write a book and I could read it and completely just transform myself into whatever it is you are . later

Is this addresed to us all? . . . Bye

[taotransformation]

Lol I guess. I mean I'll converse if there is a synergistic, win/win, kind of empathic intention to understand. maybe if i saw you in person we could sit down and really see it from the same side of the table.

[taotransformation]

But if I'm dealing with a troll who's just there to take what I say and show me where the dead end is, then ill walk on another bridge

[the PC apeman]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

Okay you turned my little post over and over and completely dissected it and chewed it up and spat it out. Thank you really. Maybe you are some sort of old brilliant philosopher like plato reincarnated. Thanks for your input. Maybe you should write a book and I could read it and completely just transform myself into whatever it is you are . later

I'm just asking questions. Is that not a good thing?

[the PC apeman]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

But if I'm dealing with a troll who's just there to take what I say and show me where the dead end is, then ill walk on another bridge

Do you think there is a dead end to what you say?

[ynot]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

Lol I guess. I mean I'll converse if there is a synergistic, win/win, kind of empathic intention to understand. maybe if i saw you in person we could sit down and really see it from the same side of the table.

It would help if we knew who you were talking to.

Wouldn't it be a win for you to learn you have been talking crap?

[ynot]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

But if I'm dealing with a troll mature person who's just there to take what I say and show me where the dead end reality is, then ill walk on another bridge

Fixed that for you.

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

Lol I guess. I mean I'll converse if there is a synergistic, win/win, kind of empathic intention to understand. maybe if i saw you in person we could sit down and really see it from the same side of the table.

Could we have that bit again in plain English instead of new age waffle? Do you mean 'we could get along with each other'? Win/win? A conversation is not a contest. We cannot sit down at a table together, this will have to do.
1. Please provide evidence of these vibrations
2. How do you know that people are not taking responsibility to play their role here as a human a little fuller?
3. What do you mean by 'the flowering of human consciousness.'?
4. 'The idea of the age of Information was absurd" What evidence do you have to support this claim?

[catsmate1]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

Thanks just wondering. To you pessimistic douches who replied with a hell no, thank you, now I remember just why we can't raise our collective consciousness. So we can air "Jersey Shore" on MTV and have half of America fist pumping and using their cheesy phrases but we can't promote the idea that if we all carried the intention of transforming our current collective consciousness into a higher plane is just too far out huh? The idea of the age of Information was absurd as well, but Bill Gates had the vision of everyone having a computer in their household.. now they're practically in everyone's pockets. I believe an age is coming soon where social status, roles, is all uprooted and what will be left is just the intention to go beyond form and really tune into the abundance the world has to offer.

I take it you'll be providing some evidence that the "collective consciousness" and "higher plane" actually exist?

Originally Posted by taotransformation

Okay you turned my little post over and over and completely dissected it and chewed it up and spat it out. Thank you really. Maybe you are some sort of old brilliant philosopher like plato reincarnated. Thanks for your input. Maybe you should write a book and I could read it and completely just transform myself into whatever it is you are . later

You spouted standard wooster nonsense and it was exposed. Get over yourself.

[Complexity]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

We've heard of the age of Information and other stuff, do you think an age of Transformation is about occur? An age where ego's really become submerged and the whole social status, roles, and the way we behave is totally uprooted and we raise our vibrations at a collective conscious level...

No.

[Sun Countess]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

lol k thanks you're absolutely right I wanted thoughts unfiltered & I got em It does sound airy fairy but alls I'm saying is that the power of trends, social networking, and pretty much anything takes up a wave of interest at a collective level is amazing! You know when something gains popularity and becomes sort of a thing that everyone gets involved with. You know - Vote or Die shirts, Livestrong wristbands, Twitter, WINNING! shirts by charlie sheen, - It would be cool if the idea of the flowering of human consciousness was floating around at the same level of exposure some of the trendy things get today.

The United States makes up about 5% of the world's population. And the trendy things don't ever appeal across all demographics. You sound very young and idealistic, but if you want a dose of realism, take a look at what's happening in other parts of the world. The kids starving in Africa don't care about Charlie Sheen. The women living behind veils in the middle east aren't wearing Live Strong bracelets.

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I think it would inevitably lead to people taking responsibility to play their role here as a human a little fuller, if it was something that was kind of promoted everywhere.. - sorry i didnt mean to say pessimistic douches, I guess i was just insulted at an ego level but I respect anything anyone says here

The apology is appreciated - thank you. And you need to explain what you mean when you talk about people taking their responsibility as a human a little fuller. Much of the world lives in abject poverty. Many people are trying to do their best to just get by, get enough to eat, get enough clean water for the day, maybe try to send their child to school for a few years, try to keep from being killed by gangs or war, try to avoid being raped or abused...they don't need any hippy-dippy BS to make their lives better.

Originally Posted by taotransformation

Lol I guess. I mean I'll converse if there is a synergistic, win/win, kind of empathic intention to understand. maybe if i saw you in person we could sit down and really see it from the same side of the table.

I would still want clarification and evidence. How does your transformation differ from any other transcendental experiences of other cultures, times, or religious traditions?

[Spindrift]

Originally Posted by dafydd

3. What do you mean by 'the flowering of human consciousness.'?

Please answer at least this one. I have no idea what that means and I'd really like to know.

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by Sun Countess

The United States makes up about 5% of the world's population. And the trendy things don't ever appeal to all those demographics. You sound very young and idealistic, but if you want a dose of realism, take a look at what's happening in other parts of the world. The kids starving in Africa don't care about Charlie Sheen. The women living behind veils in the middle east aren't wearing Live Strong bracelets.

The apology is appreciated - thank you. And you need to explain what you mean when you talk about people taking their responsibility as a human a little fuller. Much of the world lives in abject poverty. Many people are trying to do their best to just get by, get enough to eat, get enough clean water for the day, maybe try to send their child to school for a few years, try to keep from being killed by gangs or war, try to avoid being raped or abused...they don't need any hippy-dippy BS to make their lives better.

I would still want clarification and evidence. How does your transformation differ from any other transcendental experiences of other cultures, times, or religious traditions?

I pointed that out already but taotransformation dodged it. Raising your vibrations seems to mean not facing up to things.

[dafydd]

The hippy dippy nonsense that taotransformation espouses was in vogue in the 1960's. I remember it well and I even believed it for a short time when I was a naive, idealistic teenager. It was consigned to the trashcan of history after Altamont. Good riddance to it.

[ynot]

Originally Posted by dafydd

The hippy dippy nonsense that taotransformation espouses was in vogue in the 1960's. I remember it well and I even believed it for a short time when I was a naive, idealistic teenager. It was consigned to the trashcan of history after Altamont. Good riddance to it.

According to TaoT's profile s/he is aged 22. Guess it takes some people longer to mature than others.

[lionking]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

Lol I guess. I mean I'll converse if there is a synergistic, win/win, kind of empathic intention to understand. maybe if i saw you in person we could sit down and really see it from the same side of the table.

Do you know what sort of forum this is?

[ynot]

When many people ask - “What do you think” they actually mean - “This is what I think” and what they’re actually asking for is agreement.

[Mudcat]

Originally Posted by dafydd

It's a woo thing, unless you live near a railway line or a motorway.

I used to. Not so woo

[joolz]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

We've heard of the age of Information and other stuff, do you think an age of Transformation is about occur? An age where ego's really become submerged and the whole social status, roles, and the way we behave is totally uprooted and we raise our vibrations at a collective conscious level... What are your thoughts on this?

No. Not even if what you claim could come true, which it couldn't, as we'd all have killed ourselves of boredom by then.

A perfect world? How horrendous. How about just getting rid of poverty, disease and a few other nasties then let us just carry on being the cantankerous, argumentative, stubborn and wonderful human beings that we are!

[slingblade]

Originally Posted by taotransformation

We've heard of the age of Information and other stuff, do you think an age of Transformation is about occur? An age where ego's really become submerged and the whole social status, roles, and the way we behave is totally uprooted and we raise our vibrations at a collective conscious level... What are your thoughts on this?

It sounds like magic.

Magic isn't real.

Why is it so many adults just don't seem to get that?

Modern humans have been on the planet for some 200,000 years, and we basically haven't changed. We've always had egos (no apostrophe needed), and we've always had social status and social roles.

I've no idea what you're trying to say about uprooting the way we behave. Have you ever read the Canterbury Tales, or any Shakespeare? In terms of the existence of humans on earth, they were written only a few moments ago, but in terms of written history, it's been a while. In such writings, you can find the same behaviors, the same egos, the same tendencies we have today.

We just don't change much.

So, no. I don't think there will be any such "transformation," and certainly not one that's sudden and global.

It's a fairy tale, it's wishful thinking, it's magic. It's not gonna happen.

Oh and the only "vibrations" I know of are battery-operated "appliances." People don't have "vibrations" to raise.