Dragon Family lawsuit against the United Nations - Page 41

Craig4 · 17th February 2012, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

But the only connection I have is the theory that Rothschild as a puppet master is connected to the secret cabal. To try to find some real evidence for that would likely be a futile exercise.

Why don't you run along and find it then. Get back to us when you do. It's not as if anything you'd post would be value added so don't feel a need to rush back.

Anders Lindman · 17th February 2012, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Craig4

Why don't you run along and find it then. Get back to us when you do. It's not as if anything you'd post would be value added so don't feel a need to rush back.

As I wrote in a previous post: "... a kind of convenience is a good guide. Otherwise it's easy to be led astray into all kinds of endless detours. I'm not falling into that trap."

What you are suggesting is exactly the kind of detour trap I'm avoiding. Only sometimes is it worth looking more into details. It's not wise to run like a dog after every stick thrown.

Craig4 · 17th February 2012, 12:35 PM

Well, if you were off on a detour it wouldn't matter. There are other chew toys around. You insights aren't what anyone would really call "value added".

JayUtah · 17th February 2012, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

But the only connection I have is the theory that Rothschild as a puppet master is connected to the secret cabal.

False. You made two explicit connections.

1. You connected the label "puppet master" to the court trial here:

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

The court determined that the Daily Mail hadn't labelled anyone inappropriately. This means that the term "puppet master" was a correct label.

I asked you to address the connection here:

Originally Posted by JayUtah

Can you please concede that "puppet master" is a label applied by Reuters and is not discussed by any parties to the case or to the court itself?

You declined to do so, citing inconvenience and tedium. In other words, you simply didn't want to.

2. You connected Rothschild to the Illuminati here:

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Which in turn basically is the same as the role of the 'Illuminati'.

I asked you to address that connection also. And you declined to address that one as well, also citing nothing more substantial than unwillingness.

You have been refuted and you refuse to admit it. You cling to your predetermined beliefs in the face of evidence. That makes you just about as closed-minded as a person can be. What do you have to say about that?

JayUtah · 17th February 2012, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

I think convenience is the word you are looking for.

No, that's not the word. There's another word for people who refuse to take responsibility for their claims and beliefs.

Quote:

Otherwise it's easy to be led astray into all kinds of endless detours.

You are the one who typically leads us off into detours, only to have your head handed to you there too and then try to declare your detour off-topic.

Quote:

I'm not falling into that trap.

If you don't like traps, don't make contradictory claims. The traps are all of your own device.

Anders Lindman · 17th February 2012, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by JayUtah

False. You made two explicit connections.

1. You connected the label "puppet master" to the court trial here:

I asked you to address the connection here:

You declined to do so, citing inconvenience and tedium. In other words, you simply didn't want to.

2. You connected Rothschild to the Illuminati here:

I asked you to address that connection also. And you declined to address that one as well, also citing nothing more substantial than unwillingness.

You have been refuted and you refuse to admit it. You cling to your predetermined beliefs in the face of evidence. That makes you just about as closed-minded as a person can be. What do you have to say about that?

The overall connection is that of Rothschild being related to the secret cabal. What you mentioned above are smaller parts of that larger connection.

JayUtah · 17th February 2012, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

The overall connection is that of Rothschild being related to the secret cabal. What you mentioned above are smaller parts of that larger connection.

Smaller parts that were wrong.

Anders Lindman · 17th February 2012, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by JayUtah

Smaller parts that were wrong.

The essence is still correct.

"That there were strong grounds to suspect that [Mr Rothschild] had facilitated the attendance of EU Trade Commissioner Lord Mandelson at meeting between Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska and American aluminium executives so that Oleg Deripaska could close a £500 million deal by securing corrupt and improper disclosures and commitments concerning EU aluminium tariffs from Lord Mandelson" -- http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2012/177.html

Cl1mh4224rd · 17th February 2012, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Complexity

Troll.

Epic troll.

JayUtah · 17th February 2012, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

The essence is still correct.

But the essence has nothing to do with the particulars you wish to attach to it -- the particulars that were very wrong and which you will not take responsibility for.

kevsta · 18th February 2012, 01:48 AM

ok I am as skeptical as anybody about this story, and this $6 trillion find, but does anybody remember the strange Lord James of Blackheath speech in UK parliament referencing Foundation X and the extraordinary amounts of money apparently available ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaA-5_IjkeE

he's been speaking about it again on 16th Feb this year referencing $15 trillion payments moving through the UK banking system, and somebody from an Indo-China dynasty owning $36 trillion which has been "removed by the Fed to support the dollar".

he (Lord James) has documents (allegedly) signed by Alan Greenspan & Tim Geithner, (possibly fake) and is speaking in the UK parliament, so there seems to be something to this?

there are allegations of the whole thing being a fraud in there, but apparently the $15 trillion worth of payments are real and there are some real questions that need answering about movement of cash and taxes owed at the very least.

what exactly is going on here ?

edit there's a thread here, but it is entirely inconclusive, dismissal without any consideration type thing

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...mes+blackheath

speech again here starting at 17.20 mins

http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Pl...&player=smooth

he's been chasing it for 2 years, if it was just a silly hoax I think he would probably have worked that out by now

yodaluver28 · 18th February 2012, 02:13 AM

I think Lord James was taken in by hoaxers. The Foundation X he mentions seems to match the notorious OITC hoax.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_...easury_Control

Anders Lindman · 18th February 2012, 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by kevsta

... Lord James of Blackheath speech in UK parliament referencing Foundation X and the extraordinary amounts of money apparently available ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaA-5_IjkeE

The Vatican is involved once again!!!

From about 6:40 in the video he talks about how they (Foundation X I assume) said they were still on a gold standard and was backed by more gold than is publicly known. And then he said that the Vatican Bank has reserves that also are more than the public amount of gold in the world!

Mojo · 18th February 2012, 02:41 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

The overall connection is that of Rothschild being related to the secret cabal. What you mentioned above are smaller parts of that larger connection.

But you have already conceded that you have no evidence whatsoever for this alleged connection.

Anders Lindman · 18th February 2012, 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by Mojo

But you have already conceded that you have no evidence whatsoever for this alleged connection.

But Reuters wrote "puppet master" in their headline. I thought that was interesting. I wonder if Rothschild is connected to the Vatican. Could the Zionist movement be a Vatican creation?

Mojo · 18th February 2012, 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by kevsta

ok I am as skeptical as anybody about this story, and this $6 trillion find, but does anybody remember the strange Lord James of Blackheath speech in UK parliament referencing Foundation X and the extraordinary amounts of money apparently available ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaA-5_IjkeE

If anyone wants to be able to read the text of the speech rather than waste time with videos, it can be found here: http://www.publications.parliament.u...10110215000101

The video starts at column 1538.

Mojo · 18th February 2012, 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

But Reuters wrote "puppet master" in their headline.

And you based a claim that the court had ruled that ""puppet master" was a correct label" on that. But the court made no such ruling, as can be seen from the court's judgment. You were wrong.

Mojo · 18th February 2012, 02:52 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

I wonder if Rothschild is connected to the Vatican. Could the Zionist movement be a Vatican creation?

And once again you try to change the subject by waving around unsupported, speculative disinformation.

Anders Lindman · 18th February 2012, 03:01 AM

Originally Posted by Mojo

And you based a claim that the court had ruled that ""puppet master" was a correct label" on that. But the court made no such ruling, as can be seen from the court's judgment. You were wrong.

Yes, I assumed the word "puppet master" was also used in the lawsuit. It wasn't. However, the essence of the meaning of that was in the lawsuit. So Reuters were correct in a sense and simply needed a catchy short term to use in their headline.

Mojo · 18th February 2012, 03:10 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Yes, I assumed the word "puppet master" was also used in the lawsuit. It wasn't. However, the essence of the meaning of that was in the lawsuit.

No, it wasn't. There is no suggestion of mind control, or of the existence of your cabal, in the judgment.

kevsta · 18th February 2012, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by Mojo

If anyone wants to be able to read the text of the speech rather than waste time with videos, it can be found here: http://www.publications.parliament.u...10110215000101

The video starts at column 1538.

thanks. note that this is the 2010 speech, not Feb 16th 2012, which the parliamentlive TV one is

Anders Lindman · 18th February 2012, 03:33 AM

Originally Posted by Mojo

And once again you try to change the subject by waving around unsupported, speculative disinformation.

Unsupported? On the contrary, let me add some support:

"The Vatican is a principal financial power because in 1824 the House of Rothschild was appointed the sole fiscal agent of the entire Vatican empire." -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNg6xwwc48Y (from about 1:30)

kevsta · 18th February 2012, 03:39 AM

Originally Posted by yodaluver28

I think Lord James was taken in by hoaxers. The Foundation X he mentions seems to match the notorious OITC hoax.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_...easury_Control

well yes this is what everybody concluded back then, but here we are after 2 years more digging, with him well aware of the possibility of aspects of it being a hoax, but still large and unexplained movements of money, supposedly genuinely certified by HSBC, and now he's calling for an official investigation to get to the bottom of it.

I don't think he's a complete moron and he has been talking to lots of different highly connected people about it and cannot dismiss some elements of it outright.

Mojo · 18th February 2012, 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by kevsta

thanks. note that this is the 2010 speech, not Feb 16th 2012, which the parliamentlive TV one is

Here's the text of that one: http://www.publications.parliament.u...12021643000172

kevsta · 18th February 2012, 03:54 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Unsupported? On the contrary, let me add some support:

"The Vatican is a principal financial power because in 1824 the House of Rothschild was appointed the sole fiscal agent of the entire Vatican empire." -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNg6xwwc48Y (from about 1:30)

Anders, if by any slim chance you are serious and not just trolling, do yourself a favour and be a bit more selective about what you attempt to present as "evidence".

bearing in mind that nobody here is watching the videos you link to, even if they did, a link to a Youtube video of a radio interview with "Eustace Mullins" a notorious racist conspiracy theorist who I have only recently learned of, and was one of the first people to promote the anti semitic Fed conspiracies is about as far from "evidence" as you could possibly get.

you might want to believe everything anybody uploads to Youtube, but nobody else here is going to.

kevsta · 18th February 2012, 03:58 AM

Originally Posted by Mojo

Here's the text of that one: http://www.publications.parliament.u...12021643000172

youre good at this, thank you.

lol at the response next..

Quote:

Lord Lea of Crondall: My Lords, I am quite happy to believe everything that the noble Lord, Lord James of Blackheath, has said. I will be very disappointed if the noble Lord, Lord Pearson of Rannoch, is unable to explain how this is all a conspiracy by Brussels. Will the Minister confirm that if you want to buy up the whole world you need a quadrillion? That is the latest figure.

Anders Lindman · 18th February 2012, 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by kevsta

Anders, if by any slim chance you are serious and not just trolling, do yourself a favour and be a bit more selective about what you attempt to present as "evidence".

bearing in mind that nobody here is watching the videos you link to, even if they did, a link to a Youtube video of a radio interview with "Eustace Mullins" a notorious racist conspiracy theorist who I have only recently learned of, and was one of the first people to promote the anti semitic Fed conspiracies is about as far from "evidence" as you could possibly get.

you might want to believe everything anybody uploads to Youtube, but nobody else here is going to.

Here is another source:

"It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Roths-childs that at the present time the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure." -- http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/ar...909-rothschild

Mojo · 18th February 2012, 05:10 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Here is another source:

"It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Roths-childs that at the present time the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure." -- http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/ar...909-rothschild

"The unedited full-text of the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia".

Anders Lindman · 18th February 2012, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by Mojo

"The unedited full-text of the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia".

Yes, I know. It's consistent with the first quote: "The Vatican is a principal financial power because in 1824 the House of Rothschild was appointed the sole fiscal agent of the entire Vatican empire."

So in 1906 the encyclopedia said that the Rothschilds were the guardians of the papal treasures (fiscal agent for the Vatican).

1824 is one year different than this source:

"Researcher Eustice Mullins writes that the Rothschilds took over all the financial operations of the worldwide Catholic Church in 1823." -- http://sites.google.com/site/whisleb...childbloodline

Mojo · 18th February 2012, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Yes, I know. It's consistent with the first quote: "The Vatican is a principal financial power because in 1824 the House of Rothschild was appointed the sole fiscal agent of the entire Vatican empire."

So in 1906 the encyclopedia said that the Rothschilds were the guardians of the papal treasures (fiscal agent for the Vatican).

1824 is one year different than this source:

"Researcher Eustice Mullins writes that the Rothschilds took over all the financial operations of the worldwide Catholic Church in 1823." -- http://sites.google.com/site/whisleb...childbloodline

Still not very recent, though. And who would have thought that the Vatican would employ, of all people, bankers to administer its financial affairs.

By the way, is that really a different source, or is the "Eustice Mullins" cited in the second one the same as the "Eustace Mullins" in the first one?

Anders Lindman · 18th February 2012, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by Mojo

Still not very recent, though. And who would have thought that the Vatican would employ, of all people, bankers to administer its financial affairs.

By the way, is that really a different source, or is the "Eustice Mullins" cited in the second one the same as the "Eustace Mullins" in the first one?

Sounds like the same Mullins. I would guess it's the same person.

As for the Rothschilds administering the Vatican's finances that's not so far-fetched since:

"The Rothschild Group

Rothschild is one of the world’s largest independent financial advisory groups, employing 3,000 people in 42 countries around the world." -- http://www.rothschild.com/

The Vatican Bank is something largely separate though I think:

"The Istituto per le Opere di Religione [the Vatican Bank] was founded on 27 June 1942 by Pope Pius XII." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institu...eligion#Origin

Craig4 · 18th February 2012, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Yes, I assumed the word "puppet master" was also used in the lawsuit. It wasn't. However, the essence of the meaning of that was in the lawsuit. So Reuters were correct in a sense and simply needed a catchy short term to use in their headline.

A single act of corruption does not a cabal make.

Mojo · 18th February 2012, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Sounds like the same Mullins. I would guess it's the same person.

As for the Rothschilds administering the Vatican's finances that's not so far-fetched since:

"The Rothschild Group

Rothschild is one of the world’s largest independent financial advisory groups, employing 3,000 people in 42 countries around the world." -- http://www.rothschild.com/

"Not so far-fetched", indeed entirely unremarkable, that a large and rich organisation would employ "one of the world’s largest independent financial advisory groups" to handle its financial affairs. The Vatican employing a large firm of bankers/financial advisors is not any sort of evidence for your conspiracy theory.

Anders Lindman · 18th February 2012, 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

A single act of corruption does not a cabal make.

All conspiracy roads lead back to..... the Vatican! Just kidding. Although I do have started to suspect that the Vatican controls the Rothschilds.

Mojo · 18th February 2012, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Although I do have started to suspect that the Vatican controls the Rothschilds.

Is this suspicion based on any evidence beyond random results of Google searches for "Vatican" and "Rothschild"?

Anders Lindman · 18th February 2012, 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by Mojo

Is this suspicion based on any evidence beyond random results of Google searches for "Vatican" and "Rothschild"?

Yes, sort of. What I haven't figured out yet is the relationship between the Vatican and Judaism. I think the Vatican created Islam and Protestantism as controlled opposition but Judaism existed before the Vatican was founded.

Mojo · 18th February 2012, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Yes, sort of.

Such as?

Quote:

What I haven't figured out yet is the relationship between the Vatican and Judaism. I think the Vatican created Islam and Protestantism as controlled opposition but Judaism existed before the Vatican was founded.

I'm sure you'll come up with something.

Craig4 · 18th February 2012, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

All conspiracy roads lead back to..... the Vatican! Just kidding. Although I do have started to suspect that the Vatican controls the Rothschilds.

You just don't know much about the Vatican or the RCC in the 21st Century do you?

Anders Lindman · 18th February 2012, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

You just don't know much about the Vatican or the RCC in the 21st Century do you?

Not much, but I see that as an advantage when looking at conspiracy theories. Because I can go into all kinds of speculative directions since I'm not stuck in the official picture of the Vatican.

Mojo · 18th February 2012, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

You just don't know much about the Vatican or the RCC in the 21st Century do you?

His sources for their relationship with the Rothschilds are talking about 1823, 1824, and 1906, so you can probably add most of the 20th century to that.

17th February 2012, 12:15 PM	#1601
Craig4 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 5,363	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman But the only connection I have is the theory that Rothschild as a puppet master is connected to the secret cabal. To try to find some real evidence for that would likely be a futile exercise. Why don't you run along and find it then. Get back to us when you do. It's not as if anything you'd post would be value added so don't feel a need to rush back.
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17th February 2012, 12:35 PM	#1603
Craig4 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 5,363	Well, if you were off on a detour it wouldn't matter. There are other chew toys around. You insights aren't what anyone would really call "value added".
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17th February 2012, 01:01 PM	#1604
JayUtah Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,128	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman But the only connection I have is the theory that Rothschild as a puppet master is connected to the secret cabal. False. You made two explicit connections. 1. You connected the label "puppet master" to the court trial here: Originally Posted by Anders Lindman The court determined that the Daily Mail hadn't labelled anyone inappropriately. This means that the term "puppet master" was a correct label. I asked you to address the connection here: Originally Posted by JayUtah Can you please concede that "puppet master" is a label applied by Reuters and is not discussed by any parties to the case or to the court itself? You declined to do so, citing inconvenience and tedium. In other words, you simply didn't want to. 2. You connected Rothschild to the Illuminati here: Originally Posted by Anders Lindman Which in turn basically is the same as the role of the 'Illuminati'. I asked you to address that connection also. And you declined to address that one as well, also citing nothing more substantial than unwillingness. You have been refuted and you refuse to admit it. You cling to your predetermined beliefs in the face of evidence. That makes you just about as closed-minded as a person can be. What do you have to say about that?
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17th February 2012, 01:04 PM	#1605
JayUtah Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,128	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman I think convenience is the word you are looking for. No, that's not the word. There's another word for people who refuse to take responsibility for their claims and beliefs. Quote: Otherwise it's easy to be led astray into all kinds of endless detours. You are the one who typically leads us off into detours, only to have your head handed to you there too and then try to declare your detour off-topic. Quote: I'm not falling into that trap. If you don't like traps, don't make contradictory claims. The traps are all of your own device.
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17th February 2012, 01:20 PM	#1607
JayUtah Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,128	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman The overall connection is that of Rothschild being related to the secret cabal. What you mentioned above are smaller parts of that larger connection. Smaller parts that were wrong.
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17th February 2012, 12:26 PM	#1602
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,289	Originally Posted by Craig4 Why don't you run along and find it then. Get back to us when you do. It's not as if anything you'd post would be value added so don't feel a need to rush back. As I wrote in a previous post: "... a kind of convenience is a good guide. Otherwise it's easy to be led astray into all kinds of endless detours. I'm not falling into that trap." What you are suggesting is exactly the kind of detour trap I'm avoiding. Only sometimes is it worth looking more into details. It's not wise to run like a dog after every stick thrown.

17th February 2012, 01:15 PM	#1606
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,289	Originally Posted by JayUtah False. You made two explicit connections. 1. You connected the label "puppet master" to the court trial here: I asked you to address the connection here: You declined to do so, citing inconvenience and tedium. In other words, you simply didn't want to. 2. You connected Rothschild to the Illuminati here: I asked you to address that connection also. And you declined to address that one as well, also citing nothing more substantial than unwillingness. You have been refuted and you refuse to admit it. You cling to your predetermined beliefs in the face of evidence. That makes you just about as closed-minded as a person can be. What do you have to say about that? The overall connection is that of Rothschild being related to the secret cabal. What you mentioned above are smaller parts of that larger connection.

17th February 2012, 01:29 PM	#1608
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,289	Originally Posted by JayUtah Smaller parts that were wrong. The essence is still correct. "That there were strong grounds to suspect that [Mr Rothschild] had facilitated the attendance of EU Trade Commissioner Lord Mandelson at meeting between Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska and American aluminium executives so that Oleg Deripaska could close a £500 million deal by securing corrupt and improper disclosures and commitments concerning EU aluminium tariffs from Lord Mandelson" -- http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2012/177.html

17th February 2012, 01:58 PM	#1609
Cl1mh4224rd Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 6,618	Originally Posted by Complexity Troll. Epic troll.

17th February 2012, 02:05 PM	#1610
JayUtah Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,128	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman The essence is still correct. But the essence has nothing to do with the particulars you wish to attach to it -- the particulars that were very wrong and which you will not take responsibility for.
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18th February 2012, 01:48 AM	#1611
kevsta RBL CHeck Failed Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: in the shadows Posts: 2,380	ok I am as skeptical as anybody about this story, and this $6 trillion find, but does anybody remember the strange Lord James of Blackheath speech in UK parliament referencing Foundation X and the extraordinary amounts of money apparently available ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaA-5_IjkeE he's been speaking about it again on 16th Feb this year referencing $15 trillion payments moving through the UK banking system, and somebody from an Indo-China dynasty owning $36 trillion which has been "removed by the Fed to support the dollar". he (Lord James) has documents (allegedly) signed by Alan Greenspan & Tim Geithner, (possibly fake) and is speaking in the UK parliament, so there seems to be something to this? there are allegations of the whole thing being a fraud in there, but apparently the $15 trillion worth of payments are real and there are some real questions that need answering about movement of cash and taxes owed at the very least. what exactly is going on here ? edit there's a thread here, but it is entirely inconclusive, dismissal without any consideration type thing http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...mes+blackheath speech again here starting at 17.20 mins http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Pl...&player=smooth he's been chasing it for 2 years, if it was just a silly hoax I think he would probably have worked that out by now
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18th February 2012, 02:13 AM	#1612
yodaluver28 Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 321	I think Lord James was taken in by hoaxers. The Foundation X he mentions seems to match the notorious OITC hoax. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_...easury_Control
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18th February 2012, 02:22 AM	#1613
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,289	Originally Posted by kevsta ... Lord James of Blackheath speech in UK parliament referencing Foundation X and the extraordinary amounts of money apparently available ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaA-5_IjkeE The Vatican is involved once again!!! From about 6:40 in the video he talks about how they (Foundation X I assume) said they were still on a gold standard and was backed by more gold than is publicly known. And then he said that the Vatican Bank has reserves that also are more than the public amount of gold in the world!

18th February 2012, 02:41 AM	#1614
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,066	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman The overall connection is that of Rothschild being related to the secret cabal. What you mentioned above are smaller parts of that larger connection. But you have already conceded that you have no evidence whatsoever for this alleged connection.
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18th February 2012, 02:45 AM	#1615
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,289	Originally Posted by Mojo But you have already conceded that you have no evidence whatsoever for this alleged connection. But Reuters wrote "puppet master" in their headline. I thought that was interesting. I wonder if Rothschild is connected to the Vatican. Could the Zionist movement be a Vatican creation?

18th February 2012, 02:49 AM	#1616
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,066	Originally Posted by kevsta ok I am as skeptical as anybody about this story, and this $6 trillion find, but does anybody remember the strange Lord James of Blackheath speech in UK parliament referencing Foundation X and the extraordinary amounts of money apparently available ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaA-5_IjkeE If anyone wants to be able to read the text of the speech rather than waste time with videos, it can be found here: http://www.publications.parliament.u...10110215000101 The video starts at column 1538.
	__________________ "You got to use your brain." - McKinley Morganfield "The poor mystic homeopaths feel like petted house-cats thrown at high flood on the breaking ice." - Leon Trotsky

18th February 2012, 02:51 AM	#1617
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,066	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman But Reuters wrote "puppet master" in their headline. And you based a claim that the court had ruled that ""puppet master" was a correct label" on that. But the court made no such ruling, as can be seen from the court's judgment. You were wrong.
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18th February 2012, 02:52 AM	#1618
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,066	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman I wonder if Rothschild is connected to the Vatican. Could the Zionist movement be a Vatican creation? And once again you try to change the subject by waving around unsupported, speculative disinformation.
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18th February 2012, 03:01 AM	#1619
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,289	Originally Posted by Mojo And you based a claim that the court had ruled that ""puppet master" was a correct label" on that. But the court made no such ruling, as can be seen from the court's judgment. You were wrong. Yes, I assumed the word "puppet master" was also used in the lawsuit. It wasn't. However, the essence of the meaning of that was in the lawsuit. So Reuters were correct in a sense and simply needed a catchy short term to use in their headline.

18th February 2012, 03:10 AM	#1620
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,066	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman Yes, I assumed the word "puppet master" was also used in the lawsuit. It wasn't. However, the essence of the meaning of that was in the lawsuit. No, it wasn't. There is no suggestion of mind control, or of the existence of your cabal, in the judgment.
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18th February 2012, 03:23 AM	#1621
kevsta RBL CHeck Failed Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: in the shadows Posts: 2,380	Originally Posted by Mojo If anyone wants to be able to read the text of the speech rather than waste time with videos, it can be found here: http://www.publications.parliament.u...10110215000101 The video starts at column 1538. thanks. note that this is the 2010 speech, not Feb 16th 2012, which the parliamentlive TV one is
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18th February 2012, 03:33 AM	#1622
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,289	Originally Posted by Mojo And once again you try to change the subject by waving around unsupported, speculative disinformation. Unsupported? On the contrary, let me add some support: "The Vatican is a principal financial power because in 1824 the House of Rothschild was appointed the sole fiscal agent of the entire Vatican empire." -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNg6xwwc48Y (from about 1:30)

18th February 2012, 03:39 AM	#1623
kevsta RBL CHeck Failed Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: in the shadows Posts: 2,380	Originally Posted by yodaluver28 I think Lord James was taken in by hoaxers. The Foundation X he mentions seems to match the notorious OITC hoax. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_...easury_Control well yes this is what everybody concluded back then, but here we are after 2 years more digging, with him well aware of the possibility of aspects of it being a hoax, but still large and unexplained movements of money, supposedly genuinely certified by HSBC, and now he's calling for an official investigation to get to the bottom of it. I don't think he's a complete moron and he has been talking to lots of different highly connected people about it and cannot dismiss some elements of it outright.
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18th February 2012, 03:51 AM	#1624
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,066	Originally Posted by kevsta thanks. note that this is the 2010 speech, not Feb 16th 2012, which the parliamentlive TV one is Here's the text of that one: http://www.publications.parliament.u...12021643000172
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18th February 2012, 03:54 AM	#1625
kevsta RBL CHeck Failed Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: in the shadows Posts: 2,380	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman Unsupported? On the contrary, let me add some support: "The Vatican is a principal financial power because in 1824 the House of Rothschild was appointed the sole fiscal agent of the entire Vatican empire." -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNg6xwwc48Y (from about 1:30) Anders, if by any slim chance you are serious and not just trolling, do yourself a favour and be a bit more selective about what you attempt to present as "evidence". bearing in mind that nobody here is watching the videos you link to, even if they did, a link to a Youtube video of a radio interview with "Eustace Mullins" a notorious racist conspiracy theorist who I have only recently learned of, and was one of the first people to promote the anti semitic Fed conspiracies is about as far from "evidence" as you could possibly get. you might want to believe everything anybody uploads to Youtube, but nobody else here is going to.
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18th February 2012, 03:58 AM	#1626
kevsta RBL CHeck Failed Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: in the shadows Posts: 2,380	Originally Posted by Mojo Here's the text of that one: http://www.publications.parliament.u...12021643000172 youre good at this, thank you. lol at the response next.. Quote: Lord Lea of Crondall: My Lords, I am quite happy to believe everything that the noble Lord, Lord James of Blackheath, has said. I will be very disappointed if the noble Lord, Lord Pearson of Rannoch, is unable to explain how this is all a conspiracy by Brussels. Will the Minister confirm that if you want to buy up the whole world you need a quadrillion? That is the latest figure.
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18th February 2012, 05:01 AM	#1627
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,289	Originally Posted by kevsta Anders, if by any slim chance you are serious and not just trolling, do yourself a favour and be a bit more selective about what you attempt to present as "evidence". bearing in mind that nobody here is watching the videos you link to, even if they did, a link to a Youtube video of a radio interview with "Eustace Mullins" a notorious racist conspiracy theorist who I have only recently learned of, and was one of the first people to promote the anti semitic Fed conspiracies is about as far from "evidence" as you could possibly get. you might want to believe everything anybody uploads to Youtube, but nobody else here is going to. Here is another source: "It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Roths-childs that at the present time the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure." -- http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/ar...909-rothschild

18th February 2012, 05:10 AM	#1628
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,066	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman Here is another source: "It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Roths-childs that at the present time the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure." -- http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/ar...909-rothschild "The unedited full-text of the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia".
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18th February 2012, 05:26 AM	#1629
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,289	Originally Posted by Mojo "The unedited full-text of the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia". Yes, I know. It's consistent with the first quote: "The Vatican is a principal financial power because in 1824 the House of Rothschild was appointed the sole fiscal agent of the entire Vatican empire." So in 1906 the encyclopedia said that the Rothschilds were the guardians of the papal treasures (fiscal agent for the Vatican). 1824 is one year different than this source: "Researcher Eustice Mullins writes that the Rothschilds took over all the financial operations of the worldwide Catholic Church in 1823." -- http://sites.google.com/site/whisleb...childbloodline

18th February 2012, 05:45 AM	#1630
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,066	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman Yes, I know. It's consistent with the first quote: "The Vatican is a principal financial power because in 1824 the House of Rothschild was appointed the sole fiscal agent of the entire Vatican empire." So in 1906 the encyclopedia said that the Rothschilds were the guardians of the papal treasures (fiscal agent for the Vatican). 1824 is one year different than this source: "Researcher Eustice Mullins writes that the Rothschilds took over all the financial operations of the worldwide Catholic Church in 1823." -- http://sites.google.com/site/whisleb...childbloodline Still not very recent, though. And who would have thought that the Vatican would employ, of all people, bankers to administer its financial affairs. By the way, is that really a different source, or is the "Eustice Mullins" cited in the second one the same as the "Eustace Mullins" in the first one?
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18th February 2012, 05:57 AM	#1631
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,289	Originally Posted by Mojo Still not very recent, though. And who would have thought that the Vatican would employ, of all people, bankers to administer its financial affairs. By the way, is that really a different source, or is the "Eustice Mullins" cited in the second one the same as the "Eustace Mullins" in the first one? Sounds like the same Mullins. I would guess it's the same person. As for the Rothschilds administering the Vatican's finances that's not so far-fetched since: "The Rothschild Group Rothschild is one of the world’s largest independent financial advisory groups, employing 3,000 people in 42 countries around the world." -- http://www.rothschild.com/ The Vatican Bank is something largely separate though I think: "The Istituto per le Opere di Religione [the Vatican Bank] was founded on 27 June 1942 by Pope Pius XII." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institu...eligion#Origin

18th February 2012, 06:05 AM	#1632
Craig4 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 5,363	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman Yes, I assumed the word "puppet master" was also used in the lawsuit. It wasn't. However, the essence of the meaning of that was in the lawsuit. So Reuters were correct in a sense and simply needed a catchy short term to use in their headline. A single act of corruption does not a cabal make.
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18th February 2012, 06:10 AM	#1633
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,066	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman Sounds like the same Mullins. I would guess it's the same person. As for the Rothschilds administering the Vatican's finances that's not so far-fetched since: "The Rothschild Group Rothschild is one of the world’s largest independent financial advisory groups, employing 3,000 people in 42 countries around the world." -- http://www.rothschild.com/ "Not so far-fetched", indeed entirely unremarkable, that a large and rich organisation would employ "one of the world’s largest independent financial advisory groups" to handle its financial affairs. The Vatican employing a large firm of bankers/financial advisors is not any sort of evidence for your conspiracy theory.
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18th February 2012, 06:13 AM	#1634
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,289	Originally Posted by Craig4 A single act of corruption does not a cabal make. All conspiracy roads lead back to..... the Vatican! Just kidding. Although I do have started to suspect that the Vatican controls the Rothschilds.

18th February 2012, 06:23 AM	#1635
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,066	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman Although I do have started to suspect that the Vatican controls the Rothschilds. Is this suspicion based on any evidence beyond random results of Google searches for "Vatican" and "Rothschild"?
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