Homeopathy works

mummymonkey · 11th May 2004, 02:00 AM

Homeopathy works. So says the Glasgow Herald in their editorial.

The threat to homeopathy

Quote:

In practice, however, homeopathy works. Just ask the hundreds of people suffering from long-term, debilitating conditions and psychiatric problems who are admitted each year as in-patients to the Glasgow Homeopathic Hospital and emerge after treatment with an enhanced feeling of well-being.

This is a response to the news that Greater Glasgow Health Board is considering the closure of the overnight beds at the Gartnavel homeopathic hospital.

Scotland’s only homeopathic hospital suffers in NHS cuts

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A review of those looked after in the 15-bed facility, the Integrative Care In-patient Unit, found 70% of patients experienced a substantial improvement in their condition which lasted more than a year.

Well the million dollars appears to be as good as won. But will it be enough to save the unit from closure?

An Infinite Ocean · 11th May 2004, 02:01 AM

I didn't know that Olaf wrote newspaper editorials.

Kumar · 11th May 2004, 02:29 AM

Homeopathy effective. So many links available.

tissue salts effective. Also so many links.

Zep · 11th May 2004, 02:36 AM

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Originally posted by Kumar
Homeopathy effective. So many links available.

tissue salts effective. Also so many links.

...and not one of them supported by any rigorous scientific testing, I'll bet. Unless you would care to show us some, Kumar?

Incidentally, the referenced stories in the OP did NOT prove that "homeopathy works". It just said it works, but offered no proof at all. As usual...

Felice · 11th May 2004, 02:50 AM

Forgive me for being blunt Kumar, but linking to Google searches is hardly research. In the interests of scholarship I decided to have a look with the following results:

Homeopathy effective (top 10 links):
7 were puff pieces from homeopathy suppliers and practitioners with no scientific content.

1 is from Amazon

1 was directly critical

1 was satirical.

As for ``tissue salts''? 2 irrelevant links and 8 links to homeopathy supplies and practitioners with absolutely no scientific content.

Why even bother?

EHocking · 11th May 2004, 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mummymonkey
Homeopathy works. So says the Glasgow Herald in their editorial.

The threat to homeopathy

In practice, however, homeopathy works. Just ask the hundreds of people suffering from long-term, debilitating conditions and psychiatric problems who are admitted each year as in-patients to the Glasgow Homeopathic Hospital and emerge after treatment with an enhanced feeling of well-being.

Noting of course that this is an *editorial* - ie and opinion piece. And just a little too much agenda creeping in there too, in my opinion. At least their Health correspondent (first article on closure) described the the In-Patient department correctly. To quote "[it]combines alternative medicine and counselling with conventional health care". So the *treatment* is actually "allopathic", the only homeopathic "treatment" is counselling. Major difference

Quote:

This is a response to the news that Greater Glasgow Health Board is considering the closure of the overnight beds at the Gartnavel homeopathic hospital.

Scotland’s only homeopathic hospital suffers in NHS cuts

Well the million dollars appears to be as good as won. But will it be enough to save the unit from closure?

Considering the treatment is not homeopathic, I don't think that the hospital is going to be receiving any $1M donations from JREF to keep this division open

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Tom Morris · 11th May 2004, 12:45 PM

Holy moley. This reminds me. I saw the Homeopathic Hospital in my local town today. It's existed there all this time, without me realising so.

This is their education course (I like the fact that on their course page it lists "Scientific Evidence" - whoops)

And it's funded by the local NHS trust! Grr. I am so going to write to my MP about this.

Grommitt · 12th May 2004, 02:48 PM

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Originally posted by Tom Morris
Holy moley. This reminds me. I saw the Homeopathic Hospital in my local town today. It's existed there all this time, without me realising so.

This is their education course (I like the fact that on their course page it lists "Scientific Evidence" - whoops)

And it's funded by the local NHS trust! Grr. I am so going to write to my MP about this.

On their page talking about flue remedies:

Quote:

A different strategy for flu is a SPECIFIC. The best selling flu remedy in France is trademarked 'Oscillocollinum'. It's a version of a homeopathic duck soup - made from Barbary duck livers. This is the kind of remedy that has cynics crowing with delight - until they find out that Barbary ducks are an animal reservoir of flu virus, and that double blind control trials show the remedy reliably shortens the course of the disease, is safe and effective and very cheap.

What double blind control trials are these? Anybody know?

Deetee · 13th May 2004, 02:18 AM

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Originally posted by Grommitt
On their page talking about flue remedies: What double blind control trials are these? Anybody know?

Please, no!..... you'll only get Rolfe agitated!

(Ferley JP, Zmirou D, D’Adhemar D, Balducci F. A controlled evaluation of a homoeopathic preparation in influenza-like syndromes. Br J Clin Pharmac (1989) 27, 329-335.)

Tanja · 13th May 2004, 02:27 AM

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Originally posted by Deetee

Please, no!..... you'll only get Rolfe agitated!

Where is Rolfe? I always enjoy reading her posts. I don't think I have seen her around for a while. She has not been posting for a couple of weeks now?

richardm · 13th May 2004, 03:08 AM

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Originally posted by Tanja

Where is Rolfe? I always enjoy reading her posts. I don't think I have seen her around for a while. She has not been posting for a couple of weeks now?

She said something about going on holiday. Hopefully she'll be back soon, and hasn't been permanently put off by the WoTS nonsense.

Deetee · 13th May 2004, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tanja

Where is Rolfe? I always enjoy reading her posts. I don't think I have seen her around for a while. She has not been posting for a couple of weeks now?

I seem to remember it was about a week ago now in the WOTS thread she mentioned she was going on 2 weeks leave -

Badly Shaved Monkey · 15th May 2004, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tanja

Where is Rolfe? I always enjoy reading her posts. I don't think I have seen her around for a while. She has not been posting for a couple of weeks now?

I am currently Rolfe's reperesentative on Earth and know where she is. Basically she has acquired too much work to do with simultaneous deadlines so she is taking a break. I hope she might be back after a couple more weeks. I've e-mailed her some edited highlights so she has not missed all the entertainment.

Ralph · 15th May 2004, 08:54 AM

Patients "emerge from treatment with an enhanced feeling of well being".

You can accomplish that with a little vicodin, a bottle of Jack Daniels, or an hour with a hooker.

It will probably cost a lot less money too...................

Corallinus · 15th May 2004, 09:20 AM

Just remember though that after Vicodin and Jack Daniels you will also have to go through the 'morning after the night before'!!! That is if you ever wake up!!

Suezoled · 15th May 2004, 09:26 AM

...same goes for the hooker, too, you know.

11th May 2004, 02:00 AM	#1
mummymonkey Did you spill my pint? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,917	Homeopathy works Homeopathy works. So says the Glasgow Herald in their editorial. The threat to homeopathy Quote: In practice, however, homeopathy works. Just ask the hundreds of people suffering from long-term, debilitating conditions and psychiatric problems who are admitted each year as in-patients to the Glasgow Homeopathic Hospital and emerge after treatment with an enhanced feeling of well-being. This is a response to the news that Greater Glasgow Health Board is considering the closure of the overnight beds at the Gartnavel homeopathic hospital. Scotland’s only homeopathic hospital suffers in NHS cuts Quote: A review of those looked after in the 15-bed facility, the Integrative Care In-patient Unit, found 70% of patients experienced a substantial improvement in their condition which lasted more than a year. Well the million dollars appears to be as good as won. But will it be enough to save the unit from closure?
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Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Quote: Originally posted by Kumar Homeopathy effective. So many links available. tissue salts effective. Also so many links. ...and not one of them supported by any rigorous scientific testing, I'll bet. Unless you would care to show us some, Kumar? Incidentally, the referenced stories in the OP did NOT prove that "homeopathy works". It just said it works, but offered no proof at all. As usual...
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11th May 2004, 02:50 AM	#5
Felice Student Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 40	Forgive me for being blunt Kumar, but linking to Google searches is hardly research. In the interests of scholarship I decided to have a look with the following results: Homeopathy effective (top 10 links): 7 were puff pieces from homeopathy suppliers and practitioners with no scientific content. 1 is from Amazon 1 was directly critical 1 was satirical. As for ``tissue salts''? 2 irrelevant links and 8 links to homeopathy supplies and practitioners with absolutely no scientific content. Why even bother?
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11th May 2004, 05:52 AM	#6
EHocking Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,410	Re: Homeopathy works Quote: Originally posted by mummymonkey Homeopathy works. So says the Glasgow Herald in their editorial. The threat to homeopathy In practice, however, homeopathy works. Just ask the hundreds of people suffering from long-term, debilitating conditions and psychiatric problems who are admitted each year as in-patients to the Glasgow Homeopathic Hospital and emerge after treatment with an enhanced feeling of well-being. Noting of course that this is an editorial - ie and opinion piece. And just a little too much agenda creeping in there too, in my opinion. At least their Health correspondent (first article on closure) described the the In-Patient department correctly. To quote "[it]combines alternative medicine and counselling with conventional health care". So the treatment is actually "allopathic", the only homeopathic "treatment" is counselling. Major difference Quote: This is a response to the news that Greater Glasgow Health Board is considering the closure of the overnight beds at the Gartnavel homeopathic hospital. Scotland’s only homeopathic hospital suffers in NHS cuts Well the million dollars appears to be as good as won. But will it be enough to save the unit from closure? Considering the treatment is not homeopathic, I don't think that the hospital is going to be receiving any $1M donations from JREF to keep this division open .
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11th May 2004, 12:45 PM	#7
Tom Morris Thinker Join Date: May 2004 Location: UK Posts: 162	Holy moley. This reminds me. I saw the Homeopathic Hospital in my local town today. It's existed there all this time, without me realising so. This is their education course (I like the fact that on their course page it lists "Scientific Evidence" - whoops) And it's funded by the local NHS trust! Grr. I am so going to write to my MP about this.

12th May 2004, 02:48 PM	#8
Grommitt Scholar Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 93	Quote: Originally posted by Tom Morris Holy moley. This reminds me. I saw the Homeopathic Hospital in my local town today. It's existed there all this time, without me realising so. This is their education course (I like the fact that on their course page it lists "Scientific Evidence" - whoops) And it's funded by the local NHS trust! Grr. I am so going to write to my MP about this. On their page talking about flue remedies: Quote: A different strategy for flu is a SPECIFIC. The best selling flu remedy in France is trademarked 'Oscillocollinum'. It's a version of a homeopathic duck soup - made from Barbary duck livers. This is the kind of remedy that has cynics crowing with delight - until they find out that Barbary ducks are an animal reservoir of flu virus, and that double blind control trials show the remedy reliably shortens the course of the disease, is safe and effective and very cheap. What double blind control trials are these? Anybody know?
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13th May 2004, 02:18 AM	#9
Deetee Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,790	Quote: Originally posted by Grommitt On their page talking about flue remedies: What double blind control trials are these? Anybody know? Please, no!..... you'll only get Rolfe agitated! (Ferley JP, Zmirou D, D’Adhemar D, Balducci F. A controlled evaluation of a homoeopathic preparation in influenza-like syndromes. Br J Clin Pharmac (1989) 27, 329-335.)
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13th May 2004, 02:27 AM	#10
Tanja Comfortably Numb Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,002	Quote: Originally posted by Deetee Please, no!..... you'll only get Rolfe agitated! Where is Rolfe? I always enjoy reading her posts. I don't think I have seen her around for a while. She has not been posting for a couple of weeks now?
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13th May 2004, 03:08 AM	#11
richardm Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,270	Quote: Originally posted by Tanja Where is Rolfe? I always enjoy reading her posts. I don't think I have seen her around for a while. She has not been posting for a couple of weeks now? She said something about going on holiday. Hopefully she'll be back soon, and hasn't been permanently put off by the WoTS nonsense.
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Deetee Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,790	Quote: Originally posted by Tanja Where is Rolfe? I always enjoy reading her posts. I don't think I have seen her around for a while. She has not been posting for a couple of weeks now? I seem to remember it was about a week ago now in the WOTS thread she mentioned she was going on 2 weeks leave -
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15th May 2004, 05:04 AM	#13
Badly Shaved Monkey Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Outside a banana and far from a razor Posts: 5,262	Quote: Originally posted by Tanja Where is Rolfe? I always enjoy reading her posts. I don't think I have seen her around for a while. She has not been posting for a couple of weeks now? I am currently Rolfe's reperesentative on Earth and know where she is. Basically she has acquired too much work to do with simultaneous deadlines so she is taking a break. I hope she might be back after a couple more weeks. I've e-mailed her some edited highlights so she has not missed all the entertainment.
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Corallinus Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 124	Just remember though that after Vicodin and Jack Daniels you will also have to go through the 'morning after the night before'!!! That is if you ever wake up!!
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