WI Gov. Scott Walker implicated in criminal probe - Page 8

Reginald Hobbes · 19th April 2012, 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

If he isn't under investigation, he committed a felony starting a defense fund.

Originally Posted by theprestige

Either that, or there's some legal nuance you're missing.

There may be a legal nuance, but I am not a lawyer, so this is just speculation.

Kelly Rindfleisch, Walker's Deputy Chief of Staff at the county, has been charged. Obviously, the investigators are looking to see if Walker was involved with, or knew of her activities. Is that enough to trigger the under investigation clause in the law and permit the creation of the fund?

If such evidence is found, the thread title will finally be accurate.

BenBurch · 12th June 2012, 04:37 PM

Not over yet; http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...in-on-him.html

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The D.A.’s John Doe investigation into associates of Walker during his time as the Milwaukee county executive, launched in 2010, has to date led to charges against six people, including Walker’s former deputy chief of staff. While Walker himself has not been charged with wrongdoing, the investigation is ongoing and over the past seven weeks Walker has transferred $160,000 from his campaign to a legal-defense fund that he maintains is to cover the expense of cooperating with the probe.

A John Doe investigation, similar to grand juries in many states, is a sub rosa investigation in which prosecutors can subpoena witnesses and bar them from publicly discussing the matter under investigation. Walker first met with prosecutors in Milwaukee County in February to discuss the investigation. He denied wrongdoing in a statement at the time, saying that he brought two defense lawyers to the meeting to ensure that he was “in the best position possible to continue aiding the inquiry.”

But the governor’s defense fund has raised eyebrows. Walker has said that the money in the fund will only go to legal fees incurred by himself or his campaign, and not his aides. Though he has not been personally charged with any crimes as a result of the investigation, he has said that he needs the war chest to cover the expense of providing documents to lead investigator and Milwaukee District Attorney John Chisholm, a Democrat.

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applecorped · 12th June 2012, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

Not over yet; http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...in-on-him.html

We failed but we'll grasp at straws to hopefully redeem our utter failure!!!! Yay!!!

BenBurch · 12th June 2012, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by applecorped

We failed but we'll grasp at straws to hopefully redeem our utter failure!!!! Yay!!!

If he's crooked, you want to just give him a pass?

Sam.I.Am · 13th June 2012, 12:42 PM

Are you implying (by posting that article) that because he has been accused and then subsequently got a lawyer that he is acting guilty for exercising his right to having a lawyer? Because is sure sounds to me like that's what the last paragraph in that article is saying in a *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* sort of way.

Mooseman · 13th June 2012, 12:49 PM

It will be interesting to see how it turns out. But right now it's not clear if he was involved. I tend to think they are all dirty so he is too. But then again we should wait.

BenBurch · 13th June 2012, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Sam.I.Am

Are you implying (by posting that article) that because he has been accused and then subsequently got a lawyer that he is acting guilty for exercising his right to having a lawyer? Because is sure sounds to me like that's what the last paragraph in that article is saying in a *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* sort of way.

No, he claims to be not under investigation, but then created a legal defense fund which WI law says is illegal unless you are under investigation. Because of the nature of the probe, he might not be ALLOWED to say he is under investigation. BUT, if he is not under investigation and has not been told he is under investigation, then he should be prosecuted for illegally creating a legal defense fund.

The Central Scrutinizer · 13th June 2012, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

No, he claims to be not under investigation, but then created a legal defense fund which WI law says is illegal unless you are under investigation. Because of the nature of the probe, he might not be ALLOWED to say he is under investigation. BUT, if he is not under investigation and has not been told he is under investigation, then he should be prosecuted for illegally creating a legal defense fund.

He won. Get over it.

BenBurch · 13th June 2012, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

He won. Get over it.

I won't get over a governor committing a financial crime while in office. Not even once. Not even if the people elected him unanimously.

If he illegally created a defense fund, he needs to be prosecuted for that.

12th June 2012, 04:37 PM	#282
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,165	Not over yet; http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...in-on-him.html Quote: <SNIP> The D.A.’s John Doe investigation into associates of Walker during his time as the Milwaukee county executive, launched in 2010, has to date led to charges against six people, including Walker’s former deputy chief of staff. While Walker himself has not been charged with wrongdoing, the investigation is ongoing and over the past seven weeks Walker has transferred $160,000 from his campaign to a legal-defense fund that he maintains is to cover the expense of cooperating with the probe. A John Doe investigation, similar to grand juries in many states, is a sub rosa investigation in which prosecutors can subpoena witnesses and bar them from publicly discussing the matter under investigation. Walker first met with prosecutors in Milwaukee County in February to discuss the investigation. He denied wrongdoing in a statement at the time, saying that he brought two defense lawyers to the meeting to ensure that he was “in the best position possible to continue aiding the inquiry.” But the governor’s defense fund has raised eyebrows. Walker has said that the money in the fund will only go to legal fees incurred by himself or his campaign, and not his aides. Though he has not been personally charged with any crimes as a result of the investigation, he has said that he needs the war chest to cover the expense of providing documents to lead investigator and Milwaukee District Attorney John Chisholm, a Democrat. <SNIP>
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12th June 2012, 06:09 PM	#283
applecorped Rotten to the Core Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 10,660	Originally Posted by BenBurch Not over yet; http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...in-on-him.html We failed but we'll grasp at straws to hopefully redeem our utter failure!!!! Yay!!!
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BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,165	Originally Posted by applecorped We failed but we'll grasp at straws to hopefully redeem our utter failure!!!! Yay!!! If he's crooked, you want to just give him a pass?
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Sam.I.Am Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hunting Moose and Squirrel Posts: 4,154	Are you implying (by posting that article) that because he has been accused and then subsequently got a lawyer that he is acting guilty for exercising his right to having a lawyer? Because is sure sounds to me like that's what the last paragraph in that article is saying in a wink wink nudge nudge sort of way.
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13th June 2012, 12:49 PM	#286
Mooseman Thinker Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 169	It will be interesting to see how it turns out. But right now it's not clear if he was involved. I tend to think they are all dirty so he is too. But then again we should wait.
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19th April 2012, 03:59 AM	#281
Reginald Hobbes Thinker Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 160	Originally Posted by BenBurch If he isn't under investigation, he committed a felony starting a defense fund. Originally Posted by theprestige Either that, or there's some legal nuance you're missing. There may be a legal nuance, but I am not a lawyer, so this is just speculation. Kelly Rindfleisch, Walker's Deputy Chief of Staff at the county, has been charged. Obviously, the investigators are looking to see if Walker was involved with, or knew of her activities. Is that enough to trigger the under investigation clause in the law and permit the creation of the fund? If such evidence is found, the thread title will finally be accurate.

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BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,165	Originally Posted by Sam.I.Am Are you implying (by posting that article) that because he has been accused and then subsequently got a lawyer that he is acting guilty for exercising his right to having a lawyer? Because is sure sounds to me like that's what the last paragraph in that article is saying in a wink wink nudge nudge sort of way. No, he claims to be not under investigation, but then created a legal defense fund which WI law says is illegal unless you are under investigation. Because of the nature of the probe, he might not be ALLOWED to say he is under investigation. BUT, if he is not under investigation and has not been told he is under investigation, then he should be prosecuted for illegally creating a legal defense fund.
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The Central Scrutinizer Penultimate Amazing Pither Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The White Zone Posts: 42,277	Originally Posted by BenBurch No, he claims to be not under investigation, but then created a legal defense fund which WI law says is illegal unless you are under investigation. Because of the nature of the probe, he might not be ALLOWED to say he is under investigation. BUT, if he is not under investigation and has not been told he is under investigation, then he should be prosecuted for illegally creating a legal defense fund. He won. Get over it.
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13th June 2012, 01:03 PM	#289
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,165	Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer He won. Get over it. I won't get over a governor committing a financial crime while in office. Not even once. Not even if the people elected him unanimously. If he illegally created a defense fund, he needs to be prosecuted for that.
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