Gage and Farrakhan

[Brainster]

Box Boy is going to be appearing at the Nation of Islam's annual convention to tell them that Muslims didn't do 9-11:

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Richard Gage, founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth told The Final Call he is looking forward to presenting the fact regarding 9/11 to those gathered.

“We’re excited to bring this information to a group of people who have already been primed for it by in this case the Minister,” said Mr. Gage. “He’s taken some very courageous stands for 9/11 truth and so we’re honored to come and speak to what I understand may be up to three thousand people at one time, which is about five times larger than any group of people we’ve ever spoken to. So we’re delighted that the information will get out all at once to that many people and live streaming as well to many times that many people.”

The group’s 15-minute documentary titled “Architects & Engineers: Solving the Mystery of WTC 7,” is already being circulated throughout the Nation of Islam’s online social media networks.

It appears likely that Gage will find a gullible audience for his lies; check out Farrakhan's previous fascination:

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Last year, Minister Farrakhan announced to the world that he found something in the technology of auditing developed by Church of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard. Many members of the Nation of Islam embarked on the journey to study beneficial aspects of Scientology with hundreds becoming Certified Hubbard Dianetics Auditors.

Can you say sustaining members? Sure you can!

I am reliably informed that Kevin Barrett will be a part of the 9-11 Denial symposium. And you can rest assured that there will be plenty of Jew-bashing as well; one of the topics will be "Business is Warfare: The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews."

[Oystein]

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Richard Gage, founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth told The Final Call he is looking forward to presenting the fact regarding 9/11 to those gathered.

“We’re excited to bring this information to a group of people who have already been primed for it by in this case the Minister,” said Mr. Gage. “He’s taken some very courageous stands for 9/11 truth and so we’re honored to come and speak to what I understand may be up to three thousand people at one time, which is about five times larger than any group of people we’ve ever spoken to. So we’re delighted that the information will get out all at once to that many people and live streaming as well to many times that many people.”

The group’s 15-minute documentary titled “Architects & Engineers: Solving the Mystery of WTC 7,” is already being circulated throughout the Nation of Islam’s online social media networks.

How many architects and engineers will be in attendance among the 3000? What's their percentage on the NoI online social media networks? Anything significant?

This nicely fits the conclusions I came up with lately that AE911T's technical claims have absolutely zero traction among even the technical professionals who signed their stupid "petition", where there is no organic growth at all. A&E-truthers fail 100% to convince peers. Gage apparently has totally given up on the pros and is now targeting the low-hanging fruits of people lacking the relevant education, but having serious political grievances.

[The Platypus]

So the largest audience that Gage has ever had, by 5 times, will be 3000 kooks from another cult... LMAO!

[alienentity]

I wonder how Gage would respond if asked whether the hijackers existed or were just a cover story; or whether OBL had anything to do with 9/11 etc...

I suspect he'd just steer the conversation toward his talking points 'Freefall speed, symmetrical collapse, iron-rich microspheres' etc etc.

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by Brainster

Box Boy is going to be appearing at the Nation of Islam's annual convention to tell them that Muslims didn't do 9-11:

It appears likely that Gage will find a gullible audience for his lies; check out Farrakhan's previous fascination: ...

Be cool if Nation of Islam exposed Gage as a fraud. Does not look like Nation of Islam is into truth, looks like the Nation is based on $,$$$,$$$,$$$, and Gage is the same but smaller, $$$,$$$.

[WildCat]

Originally Posted by beachnut

Be cool if Nation of Islam exposed Gage as a fraud. Does not look like Nation of Islam is into truth, looks like the Nation is based on $,$$$,$$$,$$$, and Gage is the same but smaller, $$$,$$$.

You know that newspaper you see NOI members selling on the street, the Final Call? The people selling it have to buy all their copies, if they want their money back they have to sell them to the public.

[Reactor drone]

I'd love to see the reaction if he tells them that cave arabs couldn't pull off 9/11.

[NoahFence]

Just when you thought that POS Gage couldn't be any more vile.....

[cjnewson88]

Preaching to a bunch of islamists that arabs are too stupid to have pulled off 9/11.. This should be good.. someone should link the live net cast so I can see Gage getting stabbed as he walks off the stage..

[beachnut]

"Farrakhan Hosts Bigots Who Claims Islamic Cave Delers Too Stupid To Pull Off 911"
Neat if someone could have a short article published in Farrakhan's own paper.

http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-se...911-truth.html

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Certainly, 19 young Arab men and a man in a cave 7,000 miles away, no matter the level of their anger, could not have masterminded and carried out 9/11

[Scott Sommers]

Originally Posted by cjnewson88

Preaching to a bunch of islamists that arabs are too stupid to have pulled off 9/11.. This should be good.. someone should link the live net cast so I can see Gage getting stabbed as he walks off the stage..

It's not clear to me that anyone except us here perceives 9/11 Truth in these terms.

All of this makes me wonder if Gage is being forced to move into new territory to stay financially viable. He's spoken to Muslims before, but apparently that was a small one-time thing. If he's having the membership and money troubles we all think he is, he may be looking for fresh ground to keep things at the level he's become accustomed to - 70K+ a year.

I wonder when Gage is going to get around to touring Iran. Would that be illegal? If not, I predict it's only time until he gets forced to start making decisions like that.

[Foolmewunz]

Oh, it doesn't get much better than this! You go, Richard! I am just dying to see a bunch of NOI members at Gage's next speech (the one after this). Can you imagine the black t-shirt wannabes peeing themselves as five or six of the brothers walk in and take up a whole row?

I guess they're giving up on the White Makes Right crowd and going to the opposite end of town? When do they finally run out of groups to appeal to and have to go get real jobs?

[cjnewson88]

Originally Posted by Scott Sommers

It's not clear to me that anyone except us here perceives 9/11 Truth in these terms.

All of this makes me wonder if Gage is being forced to move into new territory to stay financially viable. He's spoken to Muslims before, but apparently that was a small one-time thing. If he's having the membership and money troubles we all think he is, he may be looking for fresh ground to keep things at the level he's become accustomed to - 70K+ a year.

I wonder when Gage is going to get around to touring Iran. Would that be illegal? If not, I predict it's only time until he gets forced to start making decisions like that.

I thought they were all heading to Europe? Isn't that the new semi-untouched niche market for leaders of the truth movement cult? I remember hearing somewhere that 9/11 truth was taking off over there.. Particularly Germany.. Maybe Oystein can shed some light..

[Scott Sommers]

Originally Posted by cjnewson88

I thought they were all heading to Europe? Isn't that the new semi-untouched niche market for leaders of the truth movement cult? I remember hearing somewhere that 9/11 truth was taking off over there.. Particularly Germany.. Maybe Oystein can shed some light..

That's they keep telling everyone. There and Japan and China. These last 2 places don't seem to be going so well. I don't think there's much interest in the stuff anymore. It was a long time ago. None of students in Taiwan who are around 20-21 talk about 9/11 anymore.

But most significantly, Gage needs money. If he can't get money out of the Swedes, there's not much use for him to go there. That's why I figure he'll end up in Tehran. He can be a consultant to Ahmadinejad.

[ref]

Remember this from 2009?

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=151010

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=155636

Mr. Gage prefaced his presentation with these words: "[...] Muslims of the world deserve an apology from the real 9/11 perpetrators, their supporters, and non-Muslims who refuse to even look at this scientific evidence. We wish that it was safer for Muslims to be publicly active, but we understand that this is an unfair request — given the post 9/11 political environment. If together, we are successful, you and your Muslim brothers and sisters around the world will no longer have to continually look over your shoulders."

[Brainster]

Yep and here is on Chinese TV saying, that "[T]he cause of 9-11 has nothing to do with Muslims".

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the JREF. The JREF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

[BadBoy]

Originally Posted by cjnewson88

I thought they were all heading to Europe? Isn't that the new semi-untouched niche market for leaders of the truth movement cult? I remember hearing somewhere that 9/11 truth was taking off over there.. Particularly Germany.. Maybe Oystein can shed some light..

Not in the UK anyway. Most times I bring the subject up people hadn't even heard that there are conspiracy nuts out there denying the official story, let alone knowing about 911T. Don't know about the rest of Europe though.

This made me think about a vision of a holocaust denier (quack historian) trying to tell a room full of right wing neo nazi types that the Nazis wouldn't have been capable of doing what they did becuase they weren't up to the challenge.

[Oystein]

Originally Posted by cjnewson88

I thought they were all heading to Europe? Isn't that the new semi-untouched niche market for leaders of the truth movement cult? I remember hearing somewhere that 9/11 truth was taking off over there.. Particularly Germany.. Maybe Oystein can shed some light..

It's nothing that anybody would notice who isn't already knee-deep in woo. Childlike Empress, who is also from Germany, recently sent me a link to a youtube video by Matthias Bröckers who also has a new book out., but he is from the old and early guard of German woosters, too, and I am not aware that anyone takes notice. When Loose Change came out, and Zeitgeist, and all these movies, 9/11 trutherism surged for a while, with some time-laps to the same in the USA. So I'd say in 2008, 2009 it was a topic on social fora. Not so anymore.
When I tell my friends about what I discuss here at the JREF, they find it the most bizarre thing and mostly can't understand why I am wasting my time. They mostly are vaguely aware that such CTs exist, but haven't really consumed any, ever.

I believe another factor plays a role here in continental Europe that is somewhat different from the situation in North America: Never was Europe more united than in its universal hatred and dislike towards GW Bush. Opposition to the wars he started were often in the 80%-90% range. Any evil seemed possible and credible under Bush. The soil for the seeds of CTs was fertile.
Many of us however fell in love with Obama, and when he took office, that soil dried up quickly.
The left-right dichotomy in European politics is quite different from that in the USA. Much of the woo was propagated by angry young men who felt they were on the anti-Bush left. And even the European right was very much anti-Bush. Both camps lost their enemy when Obama took over.

[Scott Sommers]

Originally Posted by Oystein

It's nothing that anybody would notice who isn't already knee-deep in woo. Childlike Empress, who is also from Germany, recently sent me a link to a youtube video by Matthias Bröckers who also has a new book out., but he is from the old and early guard of German woosters, too, and I am not aware that anyone takes notice. When Loose Change came out, and Zeitgeist, and all these movies, 9/11 trutherism surged for a while, with some time-laps to the same in the USA. So I'd say in 2008, 2009 it was a topic on social fora. Not so anymore.
When I tell my friends about what I discuss here at the JREF, they find it the most bizarre thing and mostly can't understand why I am wasting my time. They mostly are vaguely aware that such CTs exist, but haven't really consumed any, ever.

I believe another factor plays a role here in continental Europe that is somewhat different from the situation in North America: Never was Europe more united than in its universal hatred and dislike towards GW Bush. Opposition to the wars he started were often in the 80%-90% range. Any evil seemed possible and credible under Bush. The soil for the seeds of CTs was fertile.
Many of us however fell in love with Obama, and when he took office, that soil dried up quickly.
The left-right dichotomy in European politics is quite different from that in the USA. Much of the woo was propagated by angry young men who felt they were on the anti-Bush left. And even the European right was very much anti-Bush. Both camps lost their enemy when Obama took over.

This is interesting to be because of my perception that 9/11 Truth is increasingly a struggle involving different kinds of American Christians. The idea from Myriad that 9/11 Truth is an aesthetic statement also lends itself to the understanding that it has limited cross-cultural appeal.

I think the idea of 9/11 Truth in Europe refers to a series of lectures that DRG did there in 2009. You can find the list of his appearances on the right hand side of his blog. There wasn't even a whisper of demonstration there during the 10th anniversary, so it appears that the masses attending his talks were not motivated to do much of anything after he left the room. I suspect this has to do with the points raised by Oystein.

[plague311]

No shame in who Gage tries to soak money from.

[alienentity]

Originally Posted by plague311

No shame in who Gage tries to soak money from.

Perhaps there will be a 9/11 Conspiracy huckster on the series 'Shameless'....

[Oz1976]

Isn't the NoI known for it's militant ideals, Black Supremecy and anti-semitism? So, instead of appealing to the ASCE or other relevant professionals (lol like he could), he turns to a group, of which, some may have praised the "martyrdom" of their muslim brothers and hold those 19 hijackers in high regards. So he's going to present to these people that it was all a sham...the blowback from this could be epic.

/grabs popcorn

[Grizzly Bear]

This'll make great footage for Loose change: Unlimited Yapping Edition

[Oystein]

Originally Posted by Scott Sommers

This is interesting to be because of my perception that 9/11 Truth is increasingly a struggle involving different kinds of American Christians. The idea from Myriad that 9/11 Truth is an aesthetic statement also lends itself to the understanding that it has limited cross-cultural appeal.

I think the idea of 9/11 Truth in Europe refers to a series of lectures that DRG did there in 2009. You can find the list of his appearances on the right hand side of his blog. There wasn't even a whisper of demonstration there during the 10th anniversary, so it appears that the masses attending his talks were not motivated to do much of anything after he left the room. I suspect this has to do with the points raised by Oystein.

This may not be quite the correct thread, but I just want to quickly dump this bit of trivia that I just learned from I am currently talking with a buddy in Denmark, who knows Niels Harrit. He believes that Harrit is politically pretty leftist, and that most of the Danish truth movement leans heavily left.
Harrit has received a cultural price that is awarded by the Danish communist party:
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelsted...cherfig-Prisen
(Google Translation)

In that context, I just remembered that a while ago I was in contact with Jochen Scholz, a former lieutenant colonel of the German Air Force and NATO staff officer in some political capacity, who is now a consultant for the socialistic party "Die Linke" (which is more or less the successor of the former East German state party SED). He had given an interview in which he suggested (but didn't outright claim) that the US air defense's failure to intercept the hijacked planes could only be explained by malicious intent, and that the US government used 9/11 for geopoloitical gains. I had written to him to clarify what he said about the air defense procedures, and in that exchange, he alerted me to another talk he gave where he suspected that Zelikow was installed at the 9/11 Commission with the intent to retroactively "shape" how history is written (i.e. to deceive).

So there you have anecdotal evidence that 9/11 Twoof enjoys some traction among the European far left.

[Scott Sommers]

Originally Posted by Oystein

This may not be quite the correct thread, but I just want to quickly dump this bit of trivia that I just learned from I am currently talking with a buddy in Denmark, who knows Niels Harrit. He believes that Harrit is politically pretty leftist, and that most of the Danish truth movement leans heavily left.
Harrit has received a cultural price that is awarded by the Danish communist party:
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelsted...cherfig-Prisen
(Google Translation)

In that context, I just remembered that a while ago I was in contact with Jochen Scholz, a former lieutenant colonel of the German Air Force and NATO staff officer in some political capacity, who is now a consultant for the socialistic party "Die Linke" (which is more or less the successor of the former East German state party SED). He had given an interview in which he suggested (but didn't outright claim) that the US air defense's failure to intercept the hijacked planes could only be explained by malicious intent, and that the US government used 9/11 for geopoloitical gains. I had written to him to clarify what he said about the air defense procedures, and in that exchange, he alerted me to another talk he gave where he suspected that Zelikow was installed at the 9/11 Commission with the intent to retroactively "shape" how history is written (i.e. to deceive).

So there you have anecdotal evidence that 9/11 Twoof enjoys some traction among the European far left.

This is the sort of thing that raised my concern about 9/11 and other conspiracy theories. Everyone laughs at Jim Fetzer, and even Richard Gage is being reduced to recruiting astrologers as his local area leaders for AE911T. But these guys have started a 'rumour' - an Internet runour as Chomsky put it - that something problematic happened on 9/11.

Back in 2009, a Truth nutter was posting on one of the forums that I occasionally use. Apparently he'd been posting there every September for years, but I hadn't noticed. I posted links of Truthers laughing and joking about victims and their families. One of the local members participating in the thread replied that previously, he had thought there must be something to all these rumours, even if there was no real MIHOP, but after watching Dylan Avery interviewed by Jack Blood, he was just disgusted with the whole idea.

All of this reminds me of the thread describing how David Ray Griffin went to Japan to talk with their Socialist Party. DRG and his nutty ideas were fine with them as political firepower until they discovered that right-wing nationalists were also fawning over him. The hard-core Leftists you talk about would be the kind of Europeans much less enamored with Obama than they are committed to a political opposition to the USA. The truth of these statements isn't what's important. But once they find out what 9/11 Truth really means in the minds of its activists, they won't tolerate it.

[Pardalis]

I'd say hearing that Islamic extremists are getting mixed up with Scientology is more disturbing than anything else.

[sophia8]

It's not really correct to call the NoI Muslim. Sure, they have mosques, eschew pork and alcohol and follow (more or less) the Five Pillars. But that's about it. Their prayers and rituals are different, they've made the Ramadan fast and the Hajj pilgrimage optional and claim their founder as the messiah. All Islamic groups have repudiated them.
Plus NoI theology is quite different from Islam and actually nearer to Scientology in spirit; they believe that the Black race was the original and superior race and all other races came out of genetic tampering by a super-evil mad scientist. They also believe in flying saucers, that the Earth is 76 trillion years old and that Adam & Eve and all the other events recounted in the Koran/OT came millions of years after humans came about. So accommodating Scientology won't be any big stretch for them.*
In fact, now that their funding from Gaddaffi has suddenly dried up, they'll be on the hunt for wealthy investors. Look out for Tom Cruise shaking hands with Farrakhan.

*As for 9/11 Tutherism, they already believe so much obviously crazy stuff that it'll be a shoo-in.

[Pardalis]

Originally Posted by sophia8

It's not really correct to call the NoI Muslim. Sure, they have mosques, eschew pork and alcohol and follow (more or less) the Five Pillars. But that's about it.

Isn't that enough?

[sophia8]

Well, obviously, it depends on what your definition of 'Muslim' is. But really, they bear the same relationship to Islam as Mormonism does to Christianity, or Christianity to Judaism. That is, they share some tenets but otherwise differ wildly.
This isn't the thread to discuss what makes one religion separate from another, of course.

[carlitos]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear

This'll make great footage for Loose change: Unlimited Yapping Edition

Farrakkhan's good for that. He's like the black militant Fidel Castro. I remember in the Million Man March speech, he started going into numerology; it was like whoa.

Originally Posted by Farrakkhan

There, in the middle of this mall is the Washington Monument, 555 feet high. But if we put a one in front of that 555 feet, we get 1555, the year that our first fathers landed on the shores of Jamestown, Virginia as slaves.

In the background is the Jefferson and Lincoln Memorial, each one of these monuments is 19 feet high.

Abraham Lincoln, the sixteenth president. Thomas Jefferson, the third president, and 16 and three make 19 again. What is so deep about this number 19? Why are we standing on the Capitol steps today? That number 19 -- when you have a nine you have a womb that is pregnant. And when you have a one standing by the nine, it means that there's something secret that has to be unfolded.

...

Now, we're almost finished. I want to take one last look at the word atonement.

The first four letters of the word form the foundation; "a-t-o-n". . . "a-ton", "a-ton". Since this obelisk in front of us is representative of Egypt. In the 18th dynasty, a Pharaoh named Akhenaton, was the first man of this history period to destroy the pantheon of many gods and bring the people to the worship of one god. And that one god was symboled by a sun disk with 19 rays coming out of that sun with hands holding the Egyptian Ankh - the cross of life. A-ton. The name for the one god in ancient Egypt. A- ton, the one god. 19 rays. Look at your scripture.

A woman, remember the nine, means somebody pregnant, with an idea. But, in this case, its a woman pregnant with a male child destined to rule the nations with a rod of iron. God is standing over her womb, and this child will be like the day sun, and he will say "I am the light of the world." Hands coming out of that sun, come unto me all ye that are heavy laden. I'm gonna give you rest, but I'm gonna give you life, because I am the resurrection and the life and if you believe in me, though you are dead, yet shall you live again.

You're dead, Black man. But if you believe in the god who created this sun of truth and of light with 19 rays, meaning he's pregnant with God's spirit, God's life, God's wisdom. Abraham Lincoln's statue, 19 feet high, 19 feet wide. Jefferson, 19 feet high, 16 (OFF-MIKE) and the third president, 19. Standing on the steps of the Capitol, in the light of the sun. Offering life to a people who are dead.

[Pardalis]

Originally Posted by sophia8

Well, obviously, it depends on what your definition of 'Muslim' is. But really, they bear the same relationship to Islam as Mormonism does to Christianity, or Christianity to Judaism. That is, they share some tenets but otherwise differ wildly.
This isn't the thread to discuss what makes one religion separate from another, of course.

Most Christians I know never read the Bible (the Old Testament) and rarely go to church, but they call themselves Christians anyway.

If the people of NoI believe in Allah, see Muhammad as their prophet and follow the Q'ran, then they are Muslims.

[Brainster]

Fallout from the event includes the resignation of one or more volunteers:

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In fact, it is because of the decision to go to this event that I quit as a volunteer team leader after 2.5 years of working at ae911truth. I was not the only one to leave because of this either, however I will not say who else left - that is for themselves to say.

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Richard wants to think this is the event that will catapault the new investigation. I have not heard anything more ridiculous and contrary to the obvious, and yes I told him exactly that many times before leaving.

I suspect Richard is more interested in whether this will catapault (sic) more donations into the coffers.

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I am nothing more than a hard worker, I will probably be better without AE becuase Im tired of *(feeling like I am) babysitting Richard.

IIRC this guy is the same one who bankrolled the 9-11 Truth comic book by Rick Veitch.

[Oystein]

Originally Posted by Brainster

...
IIRC this guy is the same one who bankrolled the 9-11 Truth comic book by Rick Veitch.

Do you have any idea what the real name of this guy Nor Cal Truth is? 2.5 years on the team, describes himself as a hard-working researcher, knows numerically how the board voted... Surely his name shows up on some of the AE documents?

[KDLarsen]

Originally Posted by Oystein

This may not be quite the correct thread, but I just want to quickly dump this bit of trivia that I just learned from I am currently talking with a buddy in Denmark, who knows Niels Harrit. He believes that Harrit is politically pretty leftist, and that most of the Danish truth movement leans heavily left.

Given that most of the "profiles" in the Danish truth community are in the art community, that's hardly a major surprise. There's a couple of actors (one somewhat notorious for being the prügelknabe of those chasing Communist infiltrations of Danish media), an aging rock star (was big in the 70's, haven't done much since then), and a couple of movie directors.

Curiously, the architects and engineers are few and far between. Go figure.

[Oystein]

Originally Posted by KDLarsen

...prügelknabe...

Cute I love it, but doubt that many here understand what that word means


("Prügelknabe" = "flogging boy" - describes the concept that one individual out of a group of alleged wrong-doers is routinely singled out for punishment and abuse and receives more than his fair share of it)



ETA: For those of you who don't know: Harrit is a fairly accomplished sax player, that's why he is associated with the arts establishment in Denmark.

[RCory]

Originally Posted by Scott Sommers

I think the idea of 9/11 Truth in Europe refers to a series of lectures that DRG did there in 2009. You can find the list of his appearances on the right hand side of his blog. There wasn't even a whisper of demonstration there during the 10th anniversary, so it appears that the masses attending his talks were not motivated to do much of anything after he left the room. I suspect this has to do with the points raised by Oystein.

Interesting that DRG made you buy his book at the Stockholm one (100 SEK ≈ $15)
http://davidraygriffin.com/calendar/...009-stockholm/
I wasn't aware he is charging admission but I guess the man needs to make a living.

He seems to have found a very receptive audience in Sweden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed4Bne11Uww

The group that hosted him claims to promote understanding between Europe and the "Arab world."
http://alhambra.se/order/info.htm

[OCaptain]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear

This'll make great footage for Loose change: Unlimited Yapping Edition

Won't get made. Dylan Avery has lost the faith, you know.

[Scott Sommers]

Originally Posted by RCory

Interesting that DRG made you buy his book at the Stockholm one (100 SEK ≈ $15)
http://davidraygriffin.com/calendar/...009-stockholm/
I wasn't aware he is charging admission but I guess the man needs to make a living.

He seems to have found a very receptive audience in Sweden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed4Bne11Uww

The group that hosted him claims to promote understanding between Europe and the "Arab world."
http://alhambra.se/order/info.htm

Thanks for the translations. Yes, this is very interesting to see that how important it is for him to sell books there.

[Orphia Nay]

Originally Posted by Oystein

Do you have any idea what the real name of this guy Nor Cal Truth is? 2.5 years on the team, describes himself as a hard-working researcher, knows numerically how the board voted... Surely his name shows up on some of the AE documents?

Nor Cal Truth is Brian Romanoff, according to Adam Syed.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i...howtopic=21901

On that page, Syed also says other members have left AE911T over this:

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I should probably leave it up to the other individuals who resigned to name themselves, though I've been made aware of who they are. Let's put it this way: at least two very well known members of the CD wing of the movement have left AE over this, resulting in an unprecedented schism between Richard/Kevin and other known demolitions advocates.

Woot! "Splitters!"



Also some interesting comments from former member of AE911T, "SanderO" regarding why he left/was kicked out a while ago. (ETA: This might even deserve a new thread.)

[ozeco41]

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

...Also some interesting comments from former member of AE911T, "SanderO" regarding why he left/was kicked out a while ago. (ETA: This might even deserve a new thread.)

Interesting link there Orphia.

SanderO is a regular on the 911Forum and he shows sound reasoning skills in most of his posts.