Why the PATRIOT Act?

[Anders Lindman]

Hypothesis: The reason for the PATRIOT Act is to be able to use the legal system to arrest members of the shadow society.

[R.A.F.]

So over the top speculation now "equals" hypothesis???


You really should not use words when you don't understand their meaning.

[Greedo]

Here we go, another 5000 posts of delusion and desperate troll feeding

[Anders Lindman]

"The USA PATRIOT Act (commonly known as the "Patriot Act") is an Act of the U.S. Congress that was signed into law by President George W. Bush on October 26, 2001." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

That's only about one and a half month after the 9/11 attacks!

"The Patriot Act itself is a physically daunting document at 342 pages." -- http://www.apfn.net/Messageboard/12-...on.cgi.11.html

[Anders Lindman]

To elaborate on the hypothesis :

The WTC towers were on purpose built to be pancaked and the Patriot act was prepared BEFORE the 9/11 attacks.

[Anders Lindman]

Alex Jones said today that George W. Bush signed the order to attack Afghanistan one week before the 9/11 attacks. Another indication that strengthens the idea that the Patriot act was prepared before 9/11.

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by Greedo

Here we go, another 5000 posts of delusion and desperate troll feeding

I don't think so. He's got his uses as a chew toy but this one, I don't know lacks something. It comes of as too derivative of his Dragon Family thread. Lazy.

[R.A.F.]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

To elaborate on the hypothesis :

No, Anders...there is no "winking"...you simply have demonstrated that you do not know what a hypothesis "is".


Use another word...one better "descriptive" of wild speculation.

Hey, I know...you can call it what it is....wild speculation.



Stop pretending you are something you are not....

[R.A.F.]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Alex Jones said today that George W. Bush signed the order to attack Afghanistan one week before the 9/11 attacks. Another indication that strengthens the idea that the Patriot act was prepared before 9/11.

Sorry, but evoking Jones name disqualifies you from rational discussion...

[plague311]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Alex Jones said today that George W. Bush signed the order to attack Afghanistan one week before the 9/11 attacks. Another indication that strengthens the idea that the Patriot act was prepared before 9/11.

We all know how accurate Alex Jones is, talk about front running factual basis. Does he have anything to back that up? Any actual relevant source or does he do his normal "I have the documents" and then never provides them? Do people actually listen to this guy and take what he says seriously?

Also, Anders, are you implying that the WTC's, built in the 70's, were pre-designed to come down in the attack? Are you serious? With all the media coverage, photographs, and video of the towers being built no one noticed the design structure put in place to have them CD'd?

Nice...

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by plague311

We all know how accurate Alex Jones is, talk about front running factual basis. Does he have anything to back that up? Any actual relevant source or does he do his normal "I have the documents" and then never provides them? Do people actually listen to this guy and take what he says seriously?

Also, Anders, are you implying that the WTC's, built in the 70's, were pre-designed to come down in the attack? Are you serious? With all the media coverage, photographs, and video of the towers being built no one noticed the design structure put in place to have them CD'd?

Nice...

Alex Jones just mentioned it briefly. I have to listen to the rerun to check if he really said that and if he mentioned any source.

Some say the WTC towers were largely hollow and that there were no people in them when they pancaked.

[Biscuit]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Alex Jones just mentioned it briefly. I have to listen to the rerun to check if he really said that and if he mentioned any source.

Some say the WTC towers were largely hollow and that there were no people in them when they pancaked.

If by hollow you mean there was space for elevators, stairs, HVAC, wiring, and office space for people to work in then yes, the world trade center buildings were designed to be functional office space.

If Jones mentions a source on that little gem I would love to hear it. I've got a feeling he doesn't.

[Alareth]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

That's only about one and a half month after the 9/11 attacks!

And that is a root cause of why the bill is utterly horrible legislation.

It was written with haste and pushed through without considering the consequences as an overly reactionary measure, guided by fear mongers.

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by Biscuit

If by hollow you mean there was space for elevators, stairs, HVAC, wiring, and office space for people to work in then yes, the world trade center buildings were designed to be functional office space.

If Jones mentions a source on that little gem I would love to hear it. I've got a feeling he doesn't.

No, I mean like really hollow, with just some actual floors.

Like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10fZgEl5PKQ

And here the top of the tower starts to tilt a lot which is consistent with a hollow tower: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybbD9DdVrCE

More info about hollow WTC towers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pFuwRGK9ZY

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by Alareth

And that is a root cause of why the bill is utterly horrible legislation.

It was written with haste and pushed through without considering the consequences as an overly reactionary measure, guided by fear mongers.

If it's a sloppy legislation, then it weakens my theory, but is the Patriot act really a horrible legislation? Can you give an example?

[NoahFence]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Alex Jones said today that George W. Bush signed the order to attack Afghanistan one week before the 9/11 attacks. Another indication that strengthens the idea that the Patriot act was prepared before 9/11.

Oh, hell.

If Alex Jones said it, it must be true!


Actually it doesn't.

He and his followers are grade-a nutjobs.

[Biscuit]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

No, I mean like really hollow, with just some actual floors.

snip...

Well in that case no. The world trade center was not hollow.

[uke2se]

I propose an experiment. Let's stop posting in this thread and see if Anders ends up trolling himself.

[plague311]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Alex Jones just mentioned it briefly. I have to listen to the rerun to check if he really said that and if he mentioned any source.

Some say the WTC towers were largely hollow and that there were no people in them when they pancaked.

You can find people that will say just about anything, Alex Jones being a prime-Grade A example of that. The fact that the statement "no one was in them when they pancaked" offends me in every way. There husbands without wives, children without parents, lives that were shattered on that day. To say that no one was in there is disgusting on every level. Especially since there are pictures of one lady waving, bodies falling to the ground to escape a more painful death, etc.

The tube in tube design of the WTC was a different structure build, but to say it's hollow is just plain wrong.

[Biscuit]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

No, I mean like really hollow, with just some actual floors.

Like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10fZgEl5PKQ

And here the top of the tower starts to tilt a lot which is consistent with a hollow tower: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybbD9DdVrCE

More info about hollow WTC towers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pFuwRGK9ZY

I am not going to watch your videos cause I just don't care that much. I have one simple question if you don't mind.

Are the people claiming this hollow building theory claiming the WTC had always been hollow or that it was made hollow at some point before 9.11.01?

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by Biscuit

Well in that case no. The world trade center was not hollow.

I learned about the hollow theory fairly recently, like a year ago, and thought it was super kooky, but there are things that point to it, like how the top of the tower could tilt so much: http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/sor8.jpg

If all the floors were there, would the top of the building really have tipped sideways like that when the floors were supposed to pancake on top of each other straight down?

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by Biscuit

I am not going to watch your videos cause I just don't care that much. I have one simple question if you don't mind.

Are the people claiming this hollow building theory claiming the WTC had always been hollow or that it was made hollow at some point before 9.11.01?

They claim the WTC towers were constructed hollow. If I remember correctly. And making the towers hollow after they had been built would hardly be doable.

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by plague311

You can find people that will say just about anything, Alex Jones being a prime-Grade A example of that. The fact that the statement "no one was in them when they pancaked" offends me in every way. There husbands without wives, children without parents, lives that were shattered on that day. To say that no one was in there is disgusting on every level. Especially since there are pictures of one lady waving, bodies falling to the ground to escape a more painful death, etc.

The tube in tube design of the WTC was a different structure build, but to say it's hollow is just plain wrong.

I just want to clarify that the hollow WTC theory has nothing to do with Alex Jones. And he certainly doesn't support any no 9/11 victim theory.

[plague311]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

I just want to clarify that the hollow WTC theory has nothing to do with Alex Jones. And he certainly doesn't support any no 9/11 victim theory.

Which is fine, outside of the few that listen to him, no one cares at all about what he has to say. If anything he stated was true he'd already possess the "evidence" to take this to a court of law, and have something done about it.

He does not, he possess nothing. The WTC were not hollow, at all. There are several pictures of the Towers. Like I said, someone would've noticed during the construction.

[CompusMentus]

I have an hypothesis that something else might be hollow.

Compus

[sts60]

Originally Posted by uke2se

I propose an experiment. Let's stop posting in this thread and see if Anders ends up trolling himself.

I like it, but I would modify it as follows: stop posting in the thread and then not bother to check on how long the lazy, dishonest troll keeps going without grown-ups giving him the attention he so desperately craves.

Trolling is one thing. Boring and dishonest trolling is another. Having a laugh at the expense of a few thousand people who were killed in those buildings is contemptible. One of my friends happened to be leaving the North Tower right before it was hit. A few minutes' difference, and he might have been killed.

Don't feed the troll; don't indulge the liar.

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by plague311

Which is fine, outside of the few that listen to him, no one cares at all about what he has to say. If anything he stated was true he'd already possess the "evidence" to take this to a court of law, and have something done about it.

He does not, he possess nothing. The WTC were not hollow, at all. There are several pictures of the Towers. Like I said, someone would've noticed during the construction.

Just to clarify again: Alex Jones does NOT say the WTC towers were hollow.

[plague311]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Just to clarify again: Alex Jones does NOT say the WTC towers were hollow.

Just to clarify, I was talking about you posting what Alex Jones said. I don't care what he says, and judging by the posts above, I no longer care what you say.

Later

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by sts60

I like it, but I would modify it as follows: stop posting in the thread and then not bother to check on how long the lazy, dishonest troll keeps going without grown-ups giving him the attention he so desperately craves.

Trolling is one thing. Boring and dishonest trolling is another. Having a laugh at the expense of a few thousand people who were killed in those buildings is contemptible. One of my friends happened to be leaving the North Tower right before it was hit. A few minutes' difference, and he might have been killed.

Don't feed the troll; don't indulge the liar.

It would be better if he stuck to things that don't matter. He should mine to trolling treasures of chemtrails, the Osmond Family, FEMA camps, that sort of thing. Dabbling in things that matters such as this is simply beyond bad taste.

[Anders Lindman]

I now have a really clever test that can be applied to my theory. The prediction is that the PATRIOT Act makes it possible to arrest people WITHOUT giving them a legal sentence. Ordinary in law enforcement, the legal system is OBLIGED (as far as I know) to punish people. My prediction is that the Patriot act makes it possible to arrest people without having to give them any penalty, even for really severe crimes.

[uke2se]

Originally Posted by Craig4

It would be better if he stuck to things that don't matter. He should mine to trolling treasures of chemtrails, the Osmond Family, FEMA camps, that sort of thing. Dabbling in things that matters such as this is simply beyond bad taste.

When has a troll worried about his posts not being in bad taste? It's the replies that's yummy to him.

[IdiotWhacker]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Alex Jones just mentioned it briefly. I have to listen to the rerun to check if he really said that and if he mentioned any source.

Some say the WTC towers were largely hollow and that there were no people in them when they pancaked.

This thread is about the patriot act stay on topic about that Anders Lindman besides going into 9/11 conspiracies.

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by uke2se

When has a troll worried about his posts not being in bad taste? It's the replies that's yummy to him.

Do you suppose he might be a bot and this is some sort of weird AI experiment?

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Alex Jones just mentioned it briefly snip

He also once said "damnit, I stepped in gum".

[Biscuit]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

They claim the WTC towers were constructed hollow. If I remember correctly. And making the towers hollow after they had been built would hardly be doable.

So for 28 years the WTC buildings sat unused, empty, hollow shells of buildings and no one said anything?

For 28 years millions of tourists lied about going into the buildings?

For 28 years hundreds of thousands of people from janitors to lawyers all lied about working in the WTC?

For 28 years the evil forces plotted and planned when to bring the hollow buildings down?

Does that make any sense at all to you?

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Alex Jones said today that George W. Bush signed the order to attack Afghanistan one week before the 9/11 attacks. Another indication that strengthens the idea that the Patriot act was prepared before 9/11.

I now listened to the rerun and Alex said that Bush signed the order to attack Afghanistan one day before 9/11, not one week. And he said this can be found in Newsweek and Time Magazine.

I found this:

"Bush team 'agreed plan to attack the Taliban the day before September 11'

The day before the September 11 attacks, the Bush administration agreed on a plan to oust the Taliban regime in Afghanistan by force if it refused to hand over Osama bin Laden, according to a report by a bipartisan commission of inquiry." -- Full article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004...ptember11.usa2

[The Platypus]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Hypothesis: The reason for the PATRIOT Act is to be able to use the legal system to arrest members of the shadow society.

Let's see some proof. Name names. Which members of which 'shadow society' have been arrested due to the Patriot Act?

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by Biscuit

So for 28 years the WTC buildings sat unused, empty, hollow shells of buildings and no one said anything?

For 28 years millions of tourists lied about going into the buildings?

For 28 years hundreds of thousands of people from janitors to lawyers all lied about working in the WTC?

For 28 years the evil forces plotted and planned when to bring the hollow buildings down?

Does that make any sense at all to you?

The tourist floors were of course real. The claim is that the towers were largely empty of tenants, yes. I know it sounds really kooky, but I still think it fits with how the upper parts of both towers tilted a lot, and still the whole towers went straight down: http://physics911.net/images/9-11%20...sotower%29.jpg

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by The Platypus

Let's see some proof. Name names. Which members of which 'shadow society' have been arrested due to the Patriot Act?

Here is another prediction: The PATRIOT Act says that they don't need to publish the names of the people they arrest.

[Biscuit]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

The tourist floors were of course real. The claim is that the towers were largely empty of tenants, yes. I know it sounds really kooky, but I still think it fits with how the upper parts of both towers tilted a lot, and still the whole towers went straight down: http://physics911.net/images/9-11%20...sotower%29.jpg

Why you think that is completely beyond me. That this hollow buildings theory only comes to light years after the building have fallen is what makes no sense.

28 years go by and not a single person says one thing about why there is no one working in the WTC. Everyone is just in on it and no speaks a word! The security guys, the maintenance workers, the tour guides. No one says a single word yet hundreds of thousands of people claim to work there and major corporations get in on the conspiracy as well by renting out entire hollow floors. 28 years of tricking tourists that they are in a working office building when really they are just stooges in a 3 decade long conspiracy to attack Iraq or whatever the hell you think the goal was.