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Old 4th March 2012, 11:08 PM   #1
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Orbs

I'm skeptical about most paranormal topics but my girlfriend has told a story about seeing orbs in her friends room when she was a teenager. These little faint colored lights that danced around in the air but didn't light up anything around them.

I asked her about several details but it was so long ago she doesn't remember a lot, except to say that the room was pitch black, he friend woke her and asked her if she could see them, the single window in the room was blacked out and no other light sources.

About six months ago my buddy told me about a orb in his kitchen. He described it to me in much the same way she did, but he saw only one and the lights were on. He thought it was a bubble or something at first and put his finger under it to see it rise up before he could touch it. He figured the heat from his finger made it rise. But then it began to dance around.

I was about ready to blow off the story until he said he shot video of it on his smart phone. He showed me the video on his phone. I asked him if it was doctored at all and he said this was the raw video from the phone. I have to take his word for it but i have no reason to disbelieve him.

I was kind of shocked. I figured it was a little bubble like he described it would not show up on video, especially off and old android phone.

On video it was fairly easy to see at times. It looked like a little white light and did not move like a floating bubble.

I wasn't sure what to make of this video, his story or my girlfriends story about her sighting years ago.

Does anyone have any more info on this topic? Most internet searches result in paranormal sites that are already biased toward these things.

My buddy won't share or release the video. Not entirely sure why. Otherwise I'd link you too it. I've already advised him that he should share it with some people like some trusted skeptics.
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Old 4th March 2012, 11:19 PM   #2
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Orbs are spirits of the recently departed, but look surprisingly like insects or dust on camera lenses simply as part of a collective afterworld practical joke on the living.
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I don't have enough information to comment on the personal anecdotes. Your girlfriend could be mistaken, her memory could be false, she could have dreamed it, etc. Your friend could be lying to wind you up, he could be mistaken, etc.

WRT the video, again it's hard to say anything without actually seeing it, but I've never seen a video of orbs which couldn't be explained by dust being caught in the light. They're an artefact generated by digital cameras when they capture light in a certain way.
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Your friends reluctance to share what would, by your account, be a remarkable video is telling.
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Welcome to the forums, roxics. I suggest that your friend register here and explain in this thread why he won't post his video.
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My buddy won't share or release the video. Not entirely sure why.
Really? I'm entirely sure why.
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Really? I'm entirely sure why.
Are you thinking what I'm thinking? It's possessed by the spirit of Vigo the Carpathian?
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Old 5th March 2012, 05:47 AM   #9
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WRT the video, again it's hard to say anything without actually seeing it, but I've never seen a video of orbs which couldn't be explained by dust being caught in the light. They're an artefact generated by digital cameras when they capture light in a certain way.
Digital cameras can "see" wavelengths of light that the human eye cannot. For instance, they can pick up the infrared signal from a remote control.

I'm not saying that's the explanation, but it's a possibility.
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It's been months since I saw the video myself. I watched it twice and the last time was at a halloween party where he showed a couple people off his phone.

I shoot corporate video and local tv commercials for a living and he is a professional photographer. So the both of us know quit a bit about lens flares, dust, etc. It was neither of those. Dust would have been too small to show up this large and bright on a low res smartphone camera at 10+ feet away. It was in his kitchen here in Michigan, so I highly doubt it was a firefly. It didn't appear like any fireflies I've ever seen. it certainly wasn't a lens flare.

That said, we are human and we can be fooled ourselves. I would love to get my hands on the footage, adjust some levels and play around with it just to see how the footage bends.

The one thing I do remember about it is how it seemed to be emitting light, yet when it passed in front of a dark doorway it did not light up anything around it. When my girlfriend told me about the orbs she saw she said the same thing, they admit light but did not light up anything around them.

This does not make any sense to me. In order for either the human eye or a camera to pick them up, the light must be hitting the cones of the eye or the sensor of the camera. Thus is must also hit other objects in 3D space. That's how light works. It's not selective about what it bounces off of.

I'm sure if I had some time with the footage I would be able to determine that the orb was either reflecting light or not bright enough to light up anything in the surrounding area in an already lit room. At least precievably.

Last I talked to him he said he wanted to send the footage into Ghost Hunters for them to review. I cringed at that. That's when I told him he should send it into some type of skeptical society for analysis as well. But I get the feeling he wants to believe whatever he captured is something paranormal. But he's not raving about it left and right or motivated enough to send it anywhere. He seems fairly content just keeping it on his phone and showing it to people every so often when the subject comes up.

As for myself, I just want to know what it is, because it was peculiar enough to me I didn't know what to make of it.

My girlfriend is another story. She's told me about seeing ghosts and being lead to the remains of a dead person when she was a teenager. I love my girlfriend, but I know her teenage years were a little messy. She knows I don't really believe her stories. She's not even sure what to make of them herself now. Today she's a pretty adament atheist and skeptical about a lot of things. But she still believes what she saw was real back then. I'm still trying to figure out how someone can become skeptical and an atheist after seeing stuff like that and believing it was real. None of this is adding up for me.
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I shoot corporate video and local tv commercials for a living and he is a professional photographer. So the both of us know quit a bit about lens flares, dust, etc. It was neither of those. Dust would have been too small to show up this large and bright on a low res smartphone camera at 10+ feet away. It was in his kitchen here in Michigan, so I highly doubt it was a firefly. It didn't appear like any fireflies I've ever seen. it certainly wasn't a lens flare.
That'll be because it wasn't 10+ feet away.

Of course, like others have already said, we can't make any firm conclusions based on your story. And as you've already started adding information to it (unless your friend has ten foot long arms), it's highly likely it will keep changing to rule out anyone's explanation.
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None of this is adding up for me.


Good news! You're not alone!
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That'll be because it wasn't 10+ feet away.

Of course, like others have already said, we can't make any firm conclusions based on your story. And as you've already started adding information to it (unless your friend has ten foot long arms), it's highly likely it will keep changing to rule out anyone's explanation.
I see you have another sealed envelope there, Stray Cat. Even though it's more than ten feet away from where I am sitting, I can 'see' what is written on the card inside.....

You don't believe me?
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That said, we are human and we can be fooled ourselves.
Congratulations. You have very likely solved both mysteries in one short sentence.
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I asked him if it was doctored at all and he said this was the raw video from the phone. I have to take his word for it but i have no reason to disbelieve him.
Question:
Do you know of at least 1 person ever that fell for a practical joke?
Do you think they thought to themselves:
"Well, I have every reason to doubt that but I'll still believe for some reason"

or did you think too that they have no reason to doubt?

Also, if you'll search this place, you'll find previous threads about people who swore their friends would never do that only to present the images\videos and then being sent to links to apps for mobiles that you can download to prank your friends about ghosts...

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My buddy won't share or release the video. Not entirely sure why.
He could win a fortune just by selling it to various tabloids and such, let alone win a nobel prize (or probably something similiar) yet he chooses not to?

Hang on while I'll consult a psychic to find out why
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I don't have enough information to comment on the personal anecdotes. Your girlfriend could be mistaken, her memory could be false, she could have dreamed it, etc. Your friend could be lying to wind you up, he could be mistaken, etc.

WRT the video, again it's hard to say anything without actually seeing it, but I've never seen a video of orbs which couldn't be explained by dust being caught in the light. They're an artefact generated by digital cameras when they capture light in a certain way.
Film cameras also. Especially with a built in flash that's near the lens.
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I know big orbs exist because I've seen one. I've also heard reports of small ones, but for those I'm sure someone here will suggest the possibility of fireflies ( if they already haven't ).
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I know big orbs exist because I've seen one. I've also heard reports of small ones, but for those I'm sure someone here will suggest the possibility of fireflies ( if they already haven't ).


That wouldn't be the one that's already under discussion in the Moderated Continuation - UFOs: The Research, the Evidence thread, would it?
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WRT the video, again it's hard to say anything without actually seeing it, but I've never seen a video of orbs which couldn't be explained by dust being caught in the light.

Or by it being a hoax.
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I know big orbs exist because I've seen one.
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Originally Posted by GrandMasterFox View Post
Question:
Do you know of at least 1 person ever that fell for a practical joke?
Do you think they thought to themselves:
"Well, I have every reason to doubt that but I'll still believe for some reason"

or did you think too that they have no reason to doubt?

Also, if you'll search this place, you'll find previous threads about people who swore their friends would never do that only to present the images\videos and then being sent to links to apps for mobiles that you can download to prank your friends about ghosts...


He could win a fortune just by selling it to various tabloids and such, let alone win a nobel prize (or probably something similiar) yet he chooses not to?

Hang on while I'll consult a psychic to find out why
I don't believe it was anything paranormal. But I also don't believe it was dust, lens flares or fireflies. I'm not sure what it was. The first thing I thought was whether it could be an app or a digital composite. Which is why I asked him if it was doctored. Although I know he doesn't do any video compositing himself. I believe him when he says it wasn't. He's not some teenage prankster. He's a forty something, married with two kids and a respectable professional. But like I said I don't believe it was super natural. I was looking for some other type of optical explanation. That's why I was hoping maybe you guys ran accross something like this before.

But I realize it's a long shot especially since I don't have the video to show. oh well, thanks for your feedback any.
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I don't believe it was anything paranormal. But I also don't believe it was dust, lens flares or fireflies. I'm not sure what it was. The first thing I thought was whether it could be an app or a digital composite. Which is why I asked him if it was doctored. Although I know he doesn't do any video compositing himself. I believe him when he says it wasn't. He's not some teenage prankster. He's a forty something, married with two kids and a respectable professional. But like I said I don't believe it was super natural. I was looking for some other type of optical explanation. That's why I was hoping maybe you guys ran accross something like this before.

But I realize it's a long shot especially since I don't have the video to show. oh well, thanks for your feedback any.
Well I don't believe it either. BUT! My friends cousins next door neighbors 2nd wifes new husbands friends co workers dog groomer has seen a video just like you described.
How can anyone question evidence like that?
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Cameras under various conditions produce all sorts of artifacts, and they're almost always explicable if you seek an explanation in the right place. If you can't quite figure out what it is, but it only appears on certain cameras, I see no reason to suspect it of being anything but an artifact unless you have some compelling reason to believe otherwise.

I once posted the picture below on a thread here just as a joke during a debate with a wonderfully silly fellow who believed in orbs, shape-shifting paranormal yetis, and a few other rather strange things ("Historian," now banned, sadly for those of us who cannot resist low hanging fruit). He pronounced it a very good orb, and analyzed its spiritual meaning, declaring that it was a protective one, and that little Teddy need not worry.

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All I know is: that was no light show we saw this morning. I've seen every kind of combustion known to man, but this beats the hell out of me.
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I managed to photograph orbs at TAM 8.

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It was neither of those. Dust would have been too small to show up this large and bright on a low res smartphone camera at 10+ feet away.
Dust appears as very large orbs because it is badly out of focus and it's much closer to the lens than the subject that you're focusing on.

Here's an example I found the other day while cruising a model railroading forum. Look at how big some of those orbs are. Those are all tiny specks of dust.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1...p/IMG_5308.jpg

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It's been months since I saw the video myself. I watched it twice and the last time was at a halloween party where he showed a couple people off his phone.
So your friend won't share that video ... except at parties and such. Yeah.

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I shoot corporate video and local tv commercials for a living and he is a professional photographer. So the both of us know quit a bit about lens flares, dust, etc. It was neither of those.
I'll bet you half a million $ it was.

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Dust would have been too small to show up this large and bright on a low res smartphone camera at 10+ feet away.
Is it a 3D camera? If not how can you have even an idea of the distance?

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It was in his kitchen here in Michigan, so I highly doubt it was a firefly. It didn't appear like any fireflies I've ever seen. it certainly wasn't a lens flare.
No, it was no doubt an orb. Orbs is a perfectly well-known and simple phenomenon that is caused by brightly lit particles that are out of focus because they are close to the lens. IF you really, really work with photography, you should know.

Orbs are most common on shots made with compact cameras (digital or not) with built-in flash. This is, obviously because this flash is close to the lens and will brightly illuminate small dust particles near the lens.

However, orbs can come under other conditions, too. You can even occasionally see orbs with yor own eyes.

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It's out-of-focus dust until you show evidence to prove otherwise.
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John Albert and I have the same definition of orbs, what a coinkydink!
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John Albert and I have the same definition of orbs, what a coinkydink!
This could be something paranormal, I have the same definition as well!
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Does anyone know of any paranormal film, book, TV show or anything that existed before digital cameras which discussed orbs as a paranormal phenomenon?
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Does anyone know of any paranormal film, book, TV show or anything that existed before digital cameras which discussed orbs as a paranormal phenomenon?
As someone else pointed out, orbs have nothing to do with it being a digital camera. A film camera will do the same thing. What causes it is the fact that the flash on cheap point-and-shoot cameras tends to be right next to the lens. This is why professional wedding photographers using a large bracket to hold the flash up away from the lens.

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Perhaps we should stay on topic. This thread is about orbs.

UFO photos can be discussed in a thread for that.

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Yeah, that's what the scientists want you to think! But any old fool can look at the thing and plainly see it's flat like a pancake!
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Old 6th March 2012, 07:46 AM   #36
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I dug a pond a few years ago and now am growing farm raised orbs.

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Perhaps we should stay on topic. This thread is about orbs.
Yeah, I really loved his song "Pretty Woman".
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Is it a 3D camera? If not how can you have even an idea of the distance?


I'm taking it on my friends word, as he saw it in person in 3D vision with his eyes. So unless he is lying to me, which I doubt but is a definite possibility, I have to assume it's not dust on a lens.

I know a lot of you are having fun poking at the situation with full skeptical bravado, that's cool. I'm not trying to convince anyone it's something out of this world. But I'm having fun as an experiment trying to figure out what it could be aside from dust, lens flares and other camera optic anomolies.
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I know a lot of you are having fun poking at the situation with full skeptical bravado, that's cool. I'm not trying to convince anyone it's something out of this world. But I'm having fun as an experiment trying to figure out what it could be aside from dust, lens flares and other camera optic anomolies.
Not to be rude but what do you expect from a skeptic's forum regarding fifth-rate paranormal hokum like orbs?
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I know a lot of you are having fun poking at the situation with full skeptical bravado, that's cool. I'm not trying to convince anyone it's something out of this world. But I'm having fun as an experiment trying to figure out what it could be aside from dust, lens flares and other camera optic anomolies.
Well, what do you suppose it could be? There's nothing that's currently known to behave in the way you describe, and you've dismissed any explanations offered. What's your hypothesis?
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