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Mudcat · 25th March 2012, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Individual human frailty, eh? All except for when it comes to Osama bin Laden, the caveman mastermind, and his raggedy band of super-terrorists capable of outfoxing the entire USA and its trillions of dollars in defense and intelligence assets.

Osama's "cave":

Actual cave:

See the difference?

SpringHallConvert · 25th March 2012, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by DGM

The media then in-tern the people. This is why "truthers" have been so unsuccessful. They can't convince the media any of their arguments are true.

This assumes we have a truly independent media that is interested in the objective truth.

Whatever gave you that idea?

SpringHallConvert · 25th March 2012, 01:43 PM

Are you guys arguing that Osama bin Laden never spent any time living, hiding out, or planning his supposed attacks in caves? Or are you arguing that he was always doing these things in mansions and large private compounds?

shure · 25th March 2012, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by DGM

I would agree. It also shows how a government involvement in something like 9/11 would not go unnoticed or investigated by major world journalists.

Would you agree?

The Frontline series News War is a good watch when it comes to the subject of the media.

The media has failed to keep the public properly informed of the important issues. The only thing the news channels are good for are the tickers at the bottom. They have become more like Entertainment Tonight or Inside Edition. A person can find more important news on late night comedy programs than they can on news networks these days.

Major world journaists are careerists who know how much they can rock the boat before they are told to sit down.

The media gave us little bits and pieces, but overall they just toe the line and failed us when it comes to 9/11.

9/11 and the lead up to the Iraq war should prove to anyone that the main stream media is dead.

Mudcat · 25th March 2012, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Are you guys arguing that Osama bin Laden never spent any time living, hiding out, or planning his supposed attacks in caves? Or are you arguing that he was always doing these things in mansions and large private compounds?

First off, the caves (as you so call them) were man made. Second, they were private compounds.

DGM · 25th March 2012, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

This assumes we have a truly independent media that is interested in the objective truth.

Whatever gave you that idea?

Past history and experience.

What proof do you have the support the evil "them"?

Jackanory · 25th March 2012, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by shure

The Frontline series News War is a good watch when it comes to the subject of the media.

The media has failed to keep the public properly informed of the important issues.

9/11 and the lead up to the Iraq war should prove to anyone that the main stream media is dead.

You confuse me futher with each post. Specifically the links you use. I'll ask again. Do you actually research any of the stuff you link too?

The 3 statements I have left for you above conflict with what you say. Can you see why?

I'll give you a few clues. Who supports 'Frontline' and 'News War'? How many of those supporters have investigative journalists that have covered 911 and Iraq? Your link.

Throw your own link under the bus in 3....2.....1.....

DGM · 25th March 2012, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by shure

The media failed us when it comes to 9/11 and Iraq.

9/11 and the lead up to the Iraq war should prove to anyone that the main stream media is dead.

Or could it be that your interpretation of the evidence is wrong. Do you believe independent mainstream media has not looked into these things or do you think they are too corrupt to report them?

A good friend of mine works for the Boston Globe. He would hang Bush just as soon as look at him. He would love a Pulitzer prize. The evidence (in his words) is just not there.

cantonear1968 · 25th March 2012, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Bingo. That's the big question everyone on this board should be asking and attempting to answer.

When corruption, cronyism, and treason permeate nearly every level of government, and that government murders its own citizens in cold blood, who has the authority, resources, and power to investigate the investigators?

I think that's what we've been asking of you for several weeks now.
Any chance you'll answer it?

cantonear1968 · 25th March 2012, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Are you guys arguing that Osama bin Laden never spent any time living, hiding out, or planning his supposed attacks in caves? Or are you arguing that he was always doing these things in mansions and large private compounds?

Why are you arguing it has to be either or?

shure · 25th March 2012, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by DGM

A good friend of mine works for the Boston Globe. He would hang Bush just as soon as look at him. He would love a Pulitzer prize. The evidence (in his words) is just not there.

Tell your friend to find out about the forged Niger documents that led to the fraudulent war in Iraq.

That could hang Bush!

I can introduce your friend to the lady who was handed the forged documents.

Part of the reason I know the media failed us is because of what she told me when I talked to her.

Or is your friend too worried he would be treated like Joe Wilson to take on that story???

Would he be allowed to write an article for the Boston Globe naming who forged the documents?

I think not.

SpringHallConvert · 25th March 2012, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Mudcat

First off, the caves (as you so call them) were man made.

Are you actually saying that all the caves at Tora Bora, for instance, which was a suspected Osama bin Laden hideout, were 100% man-made?

DGM · 25th March 2012, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by shure

I can introduce your friend to the lady who was handed the forged documents.

Part of the reason I know the media failed us is because of what she told me when I talked to her.

What have you done with these? Have you (or her) contacted the media? Do you know what she has done to bring this to light?

SpringHallConvert · 25th March 2012, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by DGM

Past history and experience.

What past history and experience, specifically?

Quote:

What proof do you have the support the evil "them"?

What proof do you have that they are dedicated to informing the American people of the objective truth?

shure · 25th March 2012, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by DGM

What have you done with these? Have you (or her) contacted the media? Do you know what she has done to bring this to light?

She made multiple attempts to get the story out. The story is untouchable.

DGM · 25th March 2012, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

What past history and experience, specifically?

What proof do you have that they are dedicated to informing the American people of the objective truth?

Exactly what I thought you would say.

How about Watergate, Iran-contra and the Clinton BJ. Yeah, the government "controlled" those stories.

When you find a YouTube video to answer my question feel free, we know that's "speaking your mind".

Jackanory · 25th March 2012, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by shure

She made multiple attempts to get the story out. The story is untouchable.

Why the secrecy. Are you talking about Elizabeth Burba?

If so, why tout her here as if this is a big secret. Why? No secret here.

'Untouchable? The story has been investigated. What are you on?

DGM · 25th March 2012, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by shure

She made multiple attempts to get the story out. The story is untouchable.

Or her evidence is not that compelling. I will however talk to him (considering the age of this story however, I would think he's already been there).

shure · 25th March 2012, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Jackanory

Why the secrecy. Are you talking about Elizabeth Burba?

If so, why tout her here as if this is a big secret. Why? No secret here.

'Untouchable? The story has been investigated. What are you on?

Absolute nonsense.

Just like 9/11, the story has never been properly investigated and the public still doesn't know...

Who forged the Niger documents???.

Oz1976 · 25th March 2012, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by BCR

Why do people continue to perpetuate the myth that Osama and his associates were "cavemen", implying of course that they were uneducated buffoons? These were (are) well-educated men and far from being cavemen. The master planners were actually Yousef, Murad and KSM. Yousef was educated in the UK and quite brilliant. Murad studied at flight schools in the US and was a pilot. KSM also studied in the US. Osama (the financier) was also a college-educated man who left college to engage the Soviets in Afghanistan. His #2, Zawahiri is a medical doctor. And, the operational commander Atta had just earned a Masters degree!

So hardly cavemen. They were very bright men who had studied not only the US, but also our intelligence assets since the Soviet-Afghan conflict. They studied commercial aviation and knew exactly how to penetrate it. Your remarks demonstrate your ignorance of the topic at hand.

I've linked him all this information before when he first showed up here a few weeks ago spouting off this nonsense. He refuses to read anything much less comprehend anything. He is not here for discussion, he is here to "get government truthers running in circles", he's said as much.

SHC is a troll, period. Ignore him. He has zero evidence and plays the "what if" game over and over. A waste of time. And he continuously is attempting to derail threads, as is evident yet again in this one. You'd think his timeout would have taught him a lesson, but it hasn't, and only goes to further the point that he is nothing more than a troll.

As to the topic. I'm still waiting to see how Graham and Kerrey's Saudi Arabia link to the hijackers has anything at all to do with any 9/11 conspiracy theory and why the thread has not been moved to Politics or History.

Mudcat · 25th March 2012, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Are you actually saying that all the caves at Tora Bora, for instance, which was a suspected Osama bin Laden hideout, were 100% man-made?

Maybe they are all man made, maybe they aren't (I'm betting on the 'aren't' category), but the ones they were using were man-made.

Here's a cut-away diagram of Osama's Mountain fortress:

Putting that aside, even if they were all natural what does that have to do with anything?

We have already disputed your notion that Osama was a 'caveman master mind' and the assertion that AL-Qaeda was a 'rag tag, primitive group' several times.

It's time you put your money where your mouth is. What is supporting any of your assertions?

Jackanory · 25th March 2012, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by shure

Part of the reason I know the media failed us is because of what she told me when I talked to her.

Now this is worthy. The 'smoking gun' for Iraq from a journalist. I thought you said journalists can't be trusted to report on such things. Yet she has been trying to 'get it out'. lol. Those secrets never quite turn out to be secrets, do they. lol.

Can't wait for your written theory.

Jackanory · 25th March 2012, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by shure

Absolute nonsense.

Just like 9/11, the story has never been properly investigated and the public still doesn't know...

Who forged the Niger documents???.

Why tout a secret.....that isn't a secret?

Oz1976 · 25th March 2012, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by shure

Tell your friend to find out about the forged Niger documents that led to the fraudulent war in Iraq.

That could hang Bush!
I can introduce your friend to the lady who was handed the forged documents.

Part of the reason I know the media failed us is because of what she told me when I talked to her.

Or is your friend too worried he would be treated like Joe Wilson to take on that story???

Would he be allowed to write an article for the Boston Globe naming who forged the documents?

I think not.

I see now where you're still going with all of this...I'm done in this thread.

grandmastershek · 25th March 2012, 03:12 PM

Of course the media is lying and so is the govt. If they weren't then SHC would have to go beyond handwaving away the facts. And we can't have that.

shure · 25th March 2012, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Jackanory

Why tout a secret.....that isn't a secret?

If its not a secret, why don't you tell me who forged the Niger documents then.

Jackanory · 25th March 2012, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by shure

If its not a secret, why don't you tell me who forged the Niger documents then.

Then why pretend that you have a secret lady with all the answers?

Why imply that you have 'insider' knowledge?

Why imply that you had something that nobody else had?

Did you really talk with Elizabetha Burba or was that you just blowin smoke out ya arse?

Did what she had to say to you really turn you into a gubmint hater or are you just a gubmint hater who wants to hang Bush?

Got your number. lol.

shure · 25th March 2012, 04:22 PM

I never said it was a secret lady or that I have insider knowledge.

I did talk with her and she has information that the public hasn't been informed of.

What is a gubmint?

I don't want to hang Bush. I don't believe in killing. I would like to see him put in jail for the rest of his life though.

ps:

Who forged the Niger documents Jack?

Jackanory · 25th March 2012, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by shure

I never said it was a secret lady or that I had secret knowledge.

I did talk with someone that hardley anyone has talked to and she has information that the public hasn't been informed of.

What is a gubmint?

I don't want to hang Bush. I don't believe in killing. I would like to see him put in jail for the rest of his life though.

ps:

Who forged the Niger documents Jack?

Typical. You have the answers and contacts that nobody else has. You have access to knowledge that nobody else has.

Spit it out man. It must be eating away at you.

Who forged the Niger documnents Shure? Ask your Italian journalist friend the next time you see her. Or does she come into the camp of journalists who keep quite, except when talking to you? lol.

000063 · 25th March 2012, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by LSSBB

Not to mention his remarks present a commensurate overrating of US intelligence abilities, to almost mythical proportions. Too much watching The Bourne Identity and too little actual research.

Weren't those movies about the CIA failing spectacularly at catching one man? Part of the themes of both the films and the books is that the government is quite fallible.

000063 · 25th March 2012, 04:48 PM

And the plan was still only a qualified success. They hit 3/4 targets.

Oz1976 · 25th March 2012, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by 000063

And the plan was still only a qualified success. They hit 3/4 targets.

And a 10 year war...something OBL wanted to drag us into.

SpringHallConvert · 25th March 2012, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Oz1976

And a 10 year war...something OBL wanted to drag us into.

Isn't it interesting how our government has been so willing to give him what he wanted?

OBL: "Here, fall into my trap Great Satan!"

Uncle Sam: "Gee, OK."

Jackanory · 25th March 2012, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Isn't it interesting how our government has been so willing to give him what he wanted?

OBL: "Here, fall into my trap Great Satan!"

Uncle Sam: "Gee, OK."

Uncle Sam?

Not to worry.....the boys will be home soon. A few weeks R&R followed by a couple of months on Salisbury or Hohne and off to:-

a) Falklands
b) Syria
c) Iran

Kick some more scummy arse for the good ol US of A. lol.

SpringHallConvert · 25th March 2012, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Jackanory

Not to worry.....the boys will be home soon. A few weeks R&R followed by a couple of months on Salisbury or Hohne and off to:-

a) Falklands
b) Syria
c) Iran

Kick some more scummy arse for the good ol US of A. lol.

Yay! More war, death, bloodshed, and suffering! Yay!

Go, government truth!

Mudcat · 25th March 2012, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Yay! More war, death, bloodshed, and suffering! Yay!

Go, government truth!

If no one stands up to these subhuman scum how long till the next Nazi party comes along and start executing people as they please for their sick and twisted reasons? Or is it only a problem once they knock on your door?

SpringHallConvert · 25th March 2012, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Mudcat

If no one stands up to these subhuman scum how long till the next Nazi party comes along and start executing people as they please for their sick and twisted reasons? Or is it only a problem once they knock on your door?

You should ask our government that. After all, it was our government who brought known Nazis back here after WW2 with Operation Paperclip so they could be used as a resource for the U.S. war machine and national security state.

I wonder why we didn't stand up to those Nazis?

OCaptain · 25th March 2012, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Bingo. That's the big question everyone on this board should be asking and attempting to answer.

When corruption, cronyism, and treason permeate nearly every level of government, and that government murders its own citizens in cold blood, who has the authority, resources, and power to investigate the investigators?

You still didn't answer my question. Who should have investigated it?

SpringHallConvert · 25th March 2012, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by OCaptain

You still didn't answer my question. Who should have investigated it?

That's exactly my point. Who should have investigated it?

The Dark Lord · 25th March 2012, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

You should ask our government that. After all, it was our government who brought known Nazis back here after WW2 with Operation Paperclip so they could be used as a resource for the U.S. war machine and national security state.

I wonder why we didn't stand up to those Nazis?

Werhner von Braun helped us win the space race. Better than him being in prison. Of course, this happened after the Allies completely destroyed your Nazi heroes.

25th March 2012, 01:27 PM	#201
Mudcat Man of a Thousand Memes Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 3,766	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Individual human frailty, eh? All except for when it comes to Osama bin Laden, the caveman mastermind, and his raggedy band of super-terrorists capable of outfoxing the entire USA and its trillions of dollars in defense and intelligence assets. Osama's "cave": Actual cave: See the difference?
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25th March 2012, 01:44 PM	#204
shure Thinker Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 200	Originally Posted by DGM I would agree. It also shows how a government involvement in something like 9/11 would not go unnoticed or investigated by major world journalists. Would you agree? The Frontline series News War is a good watch when it comes to the subject of the media. The media has failed to keep the public properly informed of the important issues. The only thing the news channels are good for are the tickers at the bottom. They have become more like Entertainment Tonight or Inside Edition. A person can find more important news on late night comedy programs than they can on news networks these days. Major world journaists are careerists who know how much they can rock the boat before they are told to sit down. The media gave us little bits and pieces, but overall they just toe the line and failed us when it comes to 9/11. 9/11 and the lead up to the Iraq war should prove to anyone that the main stream media is dead.
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25th March 2012, 01:52 PM	#205
Mudcat Man of a Thousand Memes Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 3,766	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Are you guys arguing that Osama bin Laden never spent any time living, hiding out, or planning his supposed attacks in caves? Or are you arguing that he was always doing these things in mansions and large private compounds? First off, the caves (as you so call them) were man made. Second, they were private compounds.
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25th March 2012, 02:07 PM	#206
DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,525	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert This assumes we have a truly independent media that is interested in the objective truth. Whatever gave you that idea? Past history and experience. What proof do you have the support the evil "them"?
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25th March 2012, 02:11 PM	#207
Jackanory Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: UK Posts: 1,339	Originally Posted by shure The Frontline series News War is a good watch when it comes to the subject of the media. The media has failed to keep the public properly informed of the important issues. 9/11 and the lead up to the Iraq war should prove to anyone that the main stream media is dead. You confuse me futher with each post. Specifically the links you use. I'll ask again. Do you actually research any of the stuff you link too? The 3 statements I have left for you above conflict with what you say. Can you see why? I'll give you a few clues. Who supports 'Frontline' and 'News War'? How many of those supporters have investigative journalists that have covered 911 and Iraq? Your link. Throw your own link under the bus in 3....2.....1.....
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25th March 2012, 01:35 PM	#202
SpringHallConvert Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,272	Originally Posted by DGM The media then in-tern the people. This is why "truthers" have been so unsuccessful. They can't convince the media any of their arguments are true. This assumes we have a truly independent media that is interested in the objective truth. Whatever gave you that idea?

25th March 2012, 01:43 PM	#203
SpringHallConvert Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,272	Are you guys arguing that Osama bin Laden never spent any time living, hiding out, or planning his supposed attacks in caves? Or are you arguing that he was always doing these things in mansions and large private compounds?

25th March 2012, 02:13 PM	#208
DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,525	Originally Posted by shure The media failed us when it comes to 9/11 and Iraq. 9/11 and the lead up to the Iraq war should prove to anyone that the main stream media is dead. Or could it be that your interpretation of the evidence is wrong. Do you believe independent mainstream media has not looked into these things or do you think they are too corrupt to report them? A good friend of mine works for the Boston Globe. He would hang Bush just as soon as look at him. He would love a Pulitzer prize. The evidence (in his words) is just not there.
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25th March 2012, 02:14 PM	#209
cantonear1968 Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 494	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Bingo. That's the big question everyone on this board should be asking and attempting to answer. When corruption, cronyism, and treason permeate nearly every level of government, and that government murders its own citizens in cold blood, who has the authority, resources, and power to investigate the investigators? I think that's what we've been asking of you for several weeks now. Any chance you'll answer it?
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25th March 2012, 02:16 PM	#210
cantonear1968 Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 494	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Are you guys arguing that Osama bin Laden never spent any time living, hiding out, or planning his supposed attacks in caves? Or are you arguing that he was always doing these things in mansions and large private compounds? Why are you arguing it has to be either or?
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25th March 2012, 02:17 PM	#211
shure Thinker Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 200	Originally Posted by DGM A good friend of mine works for the Boston Globe. He would hang Bush just as soon as look at him. He would love a Pulitzer prize. The evidence (in his words) is just not there. Tell your friend to find out about the forged Niger documents that led to the fraudulent war in Iraq. That could hang Bush! I can introduce your friend to the lady who was handed the forged documents. Part of the reason I know the media failed us is because of what she told me when I talked to her. Or is your friend too worried he would be treated like Joe Wilson to take on that story??? Would he be allowed to write an article for the Boston Globe naming who forged the documents? I think not.
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25th March 2012, 02:19 PM	#212
SpringHallConvert Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,272	Originally Posted by Mudcat First off, the caves (as you so call them) were man made. Are you actually saying that all the caves at Tora Bora, for instance, which was a suspected Osama bin Laden hideout, were 100% man-made?

25th March 2012, 02:21 PM	#213
DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,525	Originally Posted by shure I can introduce your friend to the lady who was handed the forged documents. Part of the reason I know the media failed us is because of what she told me when I talked to her. What have you done with these? Have you (or her) contacted the media? Do you know what she has done to bring this to light?
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25th March 2012, 02:22 PM	#214
SpringHallConvert Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,272	Originally Posted by DGM Past history and experience. What past history and experience, specifically? Quote: What proof do you have the support the evil "them"? What proof do you have that they are dedicated to informing the American people of the objective truth?

25th March 2012, 02:25 PM	#215
shure Thinker Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 200	Originally Posted by DGM What have you done with these? Have you (or her) contacted the media? Do you know what she has done to bring this to light? She made multiple attempts to get the story out. The story is untouchable.

25th March 2012, 02:35 PM	#216
DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,525	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert What past history and experience, specifically? What proof do you have that they are dedicated to informing the American people of the objective truth? Exactly what I thought you would say. How about Watergate, Iran-contra and the Clinton BJ. Yeah, the government "controlled" those stories. When you find a YouTube video to answer my question feel free, we know that's "speaking your mind".
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25th March 2012, 02:35 PM	#217
Jackanory Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: UK Posts: 1,339	Originally Posted by shure She made multiple attempts to get the story out. The story is untouchable. Why the secrecy. Are you talking about Elizabeth Burba? If so, why tout her here as if this is a big secret. Why? No secret here. 'Untouchable? The story has been investigated. What are you on?
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25th March 2012, 02:37 PM	#218
DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,525	Originally Posted by shure She made multiple attempts to get the story out. The story is untouchable. Or her evidence is not that compelling. I will however talk to him (considering the age of this story however, I would think he's already been there).
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25th March 2012, 02:41 PM	#219
shure Thinker Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 200	Originally Posted by Jackanory Why the secrecy. Are you talking about Elizabeth Burba? If so, why tout her here as if this is a big secret. Why? No secret here. 'Untouchable? The story has been investigated. What are you on? Absolute nonsense. Just like 9/11, the story has never been properly investigated and the public still doesn't know... Who forged the Niger documents???.
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25th March 2012, 02:43 PM	#220
Oz1976 Muse Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 703	Originally Posted by BCR Why do people continue to perpetuate the myth that Osama and his associates were "cavemen", implying of course that they were uneducated buffoons? These were (are) well-educated men and far from being cavemen. The master planners were actually Yousef, Murad and KSM. Yousef was educated in the UK and quite brilliant. Murad studied at flight schools in the US and was a pilot. KSM also studied in the US. Osama (the financier) was also a college-educated man who left college to engage the Soviets in Afghanistan. His #2, Zawahiri is a medical doctor. And, the operational commander Atta had just earned a Masters degree! So hardly cavemen. They were very bright men who had studied not only the US, but also our intelligence assets since the Soviet-Afghan conflict. They studied commercial aviation and knew exactly how to penetrate it. Your remarks demonstrate your ignorance of the topic at hand. I've linked him all this information before when he first showed up here a few weeks ago spouting off this nonsense. He refuses to read anything much less comprehend anything. He is not here for discussion, he is here to "get government truthers running in circles", he's said as much. SHC is a troll, period. Ignore him. He has zero evidence and plays the "what if" game over and over. A waste of time. And he continuously is attempting to derail threads, as is evident yet again in this one. You'd think his timeout would have taught him a lesson, but it hasn't, and only goes to further the point that he is nothing more than a troll. As to the topic. I'm still waiting to see how Graham and Kerrey's Saudi Arabia link to the hijackers has anything at all to do with any 9/11 conspiracy theory and why the thread has not been moved to Politics or History.
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25th March 2012, 02:44 PM	#221
Mudcat Man of a Thousand Memes Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 3,766	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Are you actually saying that all the caves at Tora Bora, for instance, which was a suspected Osama bin Laden hideout, were 100% man-made? Maybe they are all man made, maybe they aren't (I'm betting on the 'aren't' category), but the ones they were using were man-made. Here's a cut-away diagram of Osama's Mountain fortress: Putting that aside, even if they were all natural what does that have to do with anything? We have already disputed your notion that Osama was a 'caveman master mind' and the assertion that AL-Qaeda was a 'rag tag, primitive group' several times. It's time you put your money where your mouth is. What is supporting any of your assertions?
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25th March 2012, 02:48 PM	#222
Jackanory Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: UK Posts: 1,339	Originally Posted by shure Part of the reason I know the media failed us is because of what she told me when I talked to her. Now this is worthy. The 'smoking gun' for Iraq from a journalist. I thought you said journalists can't be trusted to report on such things. Yet she has been trying to 'get it out'. lol. Those secrets never quite turn out to be secrets, do they. lol. Can't wait for your written theory.
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25th March 2012, 02:49 PM	#223
Jackanory Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: UK Posts: 1,339	Originally Posted by shure Absolute nonsense. Just like 9/11, the story has never been properly investigated and the public still doesn't know... Who forged the Niger documents???. Why tout a secret.....that isn't a secret?
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25th March 2012, 02:52 PM	#224
Oz1976 Muse Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 703	Originally Posted by shure Tell your friend to find out about the forged Niger documents that led to the fraudulent war in Iraq. That could hang Bush! I can introduce your friend to the lady who was handed the forged documents. Part of the reason I know the media failed us is because of what she told me when I talked to her. Or is your friend too worried he would be treated like Joe Wilson to take on that story??? Would he be allowed to write an article for the Boston Globe naming who forged the documents? I think not. I see now where you're still going with all of this...I'm done in this thread.
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25th March 2012, 03:12 PM	#225
grandmastershek Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Where you look at a thigh, and blacken an eye... Posts: 1,324	Of course the media is lying and so is the govt. If they weren't then SHC would have to go beyond handwaving away the facts. And we can't have that.
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25th March 2012, 03:55 PM	#226
shure Thinker Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 200	Originally Posted by Jackanory Why tout a secret.....that isn't a secret? If its not a secret, why don't you tell me who forged the Niger documents then.

25th March 2012, 04:12 PM	#227
Jackanory Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: UK Posts: 1,339	Originally Posted by shure If its not a secret, why don't you tell me who forged the Niger documents then. Then why pretend that you have a secret lady with all the answers? Why imply that you have 'insider' knowledge? Why imply that you had something that nobody else had? Did you really talk with Elizabetha Burba or was that you just blowin smoke out ya arse? Did what she had to say to you really turn you into a gubmint hater or are you just a gubmint hater who wants to hang Bush? Got your number. lol.
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25th March 2012, 04:22 PM	#228
shure Thinker Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 200	I never said it was a secret lady or that I have insider knowledge. I did talk with her and she has information that the public hasn't been informed of. What is a gubmint? I don't want to hang Bush. I don't believe in killing. I would like to see him put in jail for the rest of his life though. ps: Who forged the Niger documents Jack?
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25th March 2012, 04:33 PM	#229
Jackanory Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: UK Posts: 1,339	Originally Posted by shure I never said it was a secret lady or that I had secret knowledge. I did talk with someone that hardley anyone has talked to and she has information that the public hasn't been informed of. What is a gubmint? I don't want to hang Bush. I don't believe in killing. I would like to see him put in jail for the rest of his life though. ps: Who forged the Niger documents Jack? Typical. You have the answers and contacts that nobody else has. You have access to knowledge that nobody else has. Spit it out man. It must be eating away at you. Who forged the Niger documnents Shure? Ask your Italian journalist friend the next time you see her. Or does she come into the camp of journalists who keep quite, except when talking to you? lol.
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25th March 2012, 04:43 PM	#230
000063 Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Not America. Posts: 4,739	Originally Posted by LSSBB Not to mention his remarks present a commensurate overrating of US intelligence abilities, to almost mythical proportions. Too much watching The Bourne Identity and too little actual research. Weren't those movies about the CIA failing spectacularly at catching one man? Part of the themes of both the films and the books is that the government is quite fallible.
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25th March 2012, 04:48 PM	#231
000063 Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Not America. Posts: 4,739	And the plan was still only a qualified success. They hit 3/4 targets.
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25th March 2012, 04:50 PM	#232
Oz1976 Muse Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 703	Originally Posted by 000063 And the plan was still only a qualified success. They hit 3/4 targets. And a 10 year war...something OBL wanted to drag us into.
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25th March 2012, 04:53 PM	#233
SpringHallConvert Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,272	Originally Posted by Oz1976 And a 10 year war...something OBL wanted to drag us into. Isn't it interesting how our government has been so willing to give him what he wanted? OBL: "Here, fall into my trap Great Satan!" Uncle Sam: "Gee, OK."

25th March 2012, 05:26 PM	#234
Jackanory Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: UK Posts: 1,339	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Isn't it interesting how our government has been so willing to give him what he wanted? OBL: "Here, fall into my trap Great Satan!" Uncle Sam: "Gee, OK." Uncle Sam? Not to worry.....the boys will be home soon. A few weeks R&R followed by a couple of months on Salisbury or Hohne and off to:- a) Falklands b) Syria c) Iran Kick some more scummy arse for the good ol US of A. lol.
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25th March 2012, 06:17 PM	#235
SpringHallConvert Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,272	Originally Posted by Jackanory Not to worry.....the boys will be home soon. A few weeks R&R followed by a couple of months on Salisbury or Hohne and off to:- a) Falklands b) Syria c) Iran Kick some more scummy arse for the good ol US of A. lol. Yay! More war, death, bloodshed, and suffering! Yay! Go, government truth!