Man punches woman over playstation

Valkyrie144 · 8th March 2012, 07:27 AM

disturbing-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crlNOMGfBBg

Ryokan · 8th March 2012, 07:32 AM

I was planning to make a joke about not touching a man's Playstation, but not after actually seeing the video.. What an ass hole.

Valkyrie144 · 8th March 2012, 07:35 AM

Can this man get away with this since she slapped him first I wonder?

sgtbaker · 8th March 2012, 07:35 AM

Did she hit him? It looked like she was pushing him away but he kept insisting that she punched him first. Either way, those poor kids!

Ryokan · 8th March 2012, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by sgtbaker

Did she hit him?

Looks like she tried slapping him. But not anything like he does, a proper hard punch in the face. They were both being idiots, at least from what we can see in the video. And in front of the kids too.

I wonder why they were filming it...

ponderingturtle · 8th March 2012, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by Valkyrie144

Can this man get away with this since she slapped him first I wonder?

Of course not women are allowed to hit men, it is only the reverse that is wrong.

sgtbaker · 8th March 2012, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by Ryokan

Looks like she tried slapping him. But not anything like he does, a proper hard punch in the face. They were both being idiots, at least from what we can see in the video. And in front of the kids too.

I wonder why they were filming it...

I keep thinking the same thing, it's a playstation, for crying out loud. Fight about it later, when tempers have cooled down.

Valkyrie144 · 8th March 2012, 07:46 AM

I get the feeling it was being filmed because possibly she was told to ? But then again, he knew about the camera.

She should have never slapped him..that was wrong and probably infuriated him. But he should have never hit her. God that looked horrible

sgtbaker · 8th March 2012, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by Valkyrie144

I get the feeling it was being filmed because possibly she was told to ? But then again, he knew about the camera.

She should have never slapped him..that was wrong and probably infuriated him. But he should have never hit her. God that looked horrible

I hate to come into her defense because she did slap him first but he was physically intimidating her. I watched him expanding his elbows while he was stepping up to her and it looks like he poked her in the chest right before her first attempt to slap him. She tried to push him out of her face and then landed a slap. Call it sexist but he was bullying her and she responded. That's how it looked on the video.

Carnivore · 8th March 2012, 07:53 AM

The male refused to leave after told to and after being informed that the woman was about to call the police to remove him. He used violence to physically intimidate the woman and initiated the physical confrontation. He hugely escalated the violence to totally disproportionate and unnecessary levels. He is scum that belongs in a cage.

Belz... · 8th March 2012, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by Valkyrie144

Can this man get away with this since she slapped him first I wonder?

I don't know. He's twice her size, though. If someone hits me, I might be tempted to hit back, but damn, man, there's not much she can do to you. Chill.

Professor Yaffle · 8th March 2012, 08:07 AM

He was definitely physically intimidating her before she did anything - kicking at the TV and getting right into her personal space.

The Central Scrutinizer · 8th March 2012, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by sgtbaker

Did she hit him? It looked like she was pushing him away but he kept insisting that she punched him first. Either way, those poor kids!

Originally Posted by Ryokan

Looks like she tried slapping him. But not anything like he does, a proper hard punch in the face. They were both being idiots, at least from what we can see in the video. And in front of the kids too.

I wonder why they were filming it...

Originally Posted by sgtbaker

I keep thinking the same thing, it's a playstation, for crying out loud. Fight about it later, when tempers have cooled down.

From this, a new holiday will be born...A Festivus for the Rest of Us!!!

fuelair · 8th March 2012, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Carnivore

The male refused to leave after told to and after being informed that the woman was about to call the police to remove him. He used violence to physically intimidate the woman and initiated the physical confrontation. He hugely escalated the violence to totally disproportionate and unnecessary levels. He is scum that belongs in a cage.

This.

bluesjnr · 8th March 2012, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by Carnivore

The male refused to leave after told to and after being informed that the woman was about to call the police to remove him. He used violence to physically intimidate the woman and initiated the physical confrontation. He hugely escalated the violence to totally disproportionate and unnecessary levels. He is scum that belongs in a cage.

Despite the fact that she clearly assaulted him first.

He'd be hard pushed to claim he was acting in self defence but she instigated the physical violence.

She should have left, taken the kids and phoned the police when he pulls his first strop and kicks out at stuff next to the telly but no, she sticks around and decides to go toe to toe with an obvious moron.

Of course hindsight is 20/20 vision!

Silly Green Monkey · 8th March 2012, 08:21 AM

And he carries off everything there and the police just shrug.

bluesjnr · 8th March 2012, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey

And he carries off everything there and the police just shrug.

Where did you see this happen?

Babbylonian · 8th March 2012, 08:26 AM

He didn't punch her over a Playstation. He punched her because he's a violent *******. I suspect the reason it was caught on tape is that she decided to get proof of that fact.

NoahFence · 8th March 2012, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

Of course not women are allowed to hit men, it is only the reverse that is wrong.

That's exactly right.

Spyke · 8th March 2012, 08:30 AM

*********** **********..right in front of the kids too. The sounds of those poor kids..

Damn why did I watch that? I'm furious now. Big tough guy pounding his woman.

I have to get away from this thread. This sort of thing opens doors to stuff that I hoped I had under control.

Tsukasa Buddha · 8th March 2012, 08:36 AM

Quote:

DONT EVER HIT WOMEN. NOT EVER.

Men are fair game, though.

Checkmite · 8th March 2012, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by bluesjnr

Despite the fact that she clearly assaulted him first.

He'd be hard pushed to claim he was acting in self defence but she instigated the physical violence.

Actually, he did when he kicked the TV right next to her. It's pretty blatant that her "slap" was an attempt to fend him off when he started crowding her aggressively.

bluesjnr · 8th March 2012, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

He didn't punch her over a Playstation. He punched her because he's a violent *******. I suspect the reason it was caught on tape is that she decided to get proof of that fact.

It's obvious he knows where the camera is and I suspect that they both agreed to have it running. What the motivation for that would be I can only guess at. I assume that it would be to would be to record any "event" that might occur. Seems they weren't disappointed if I'm right and this suggest that this couple have a history.

She is aggressive from the start

Her - "Muffled... throw all the stuff on the floor"

Him - "No I didn't"

Daughter - "He didn't"

Him - "Thank you Eileen"

Her - "You need to leave Sean/John seriously dude you need to leave, you need to go"

She then, having recognised that he "needs to go", continues to needle an obviously emotional and now violent man. She puts herself in harms way for no good reason and fails to consider the kids. She could have and should have handled this better

He is past redemption and has serious control issues. To allow his children to see him strike their mother like this is reprehensible.

WildCat · 8th March 2012, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Ryokan

I wonder why they were filming it...

So they could be famous!

They're the stars of their trailer park now.

Safe-Keeper · 8th March 2012, 08:48 AM

Quote:

She should have never slapped him..that was wrong and probably infuriated him. But he should have never hit her. God that looked horrible

Agree to a degree. You should be able to solve conflicts without violence, and once you start something it might escalate. Goes for both males and females. Then again, I have no idea why she slapped him in the first place. Might as well have been an attempt to calm him down by intimidation.

Quote:

DONT EVER HIT WOMEN. NOT EVER.

Okay, since it's Women's Day I'm going to let that one pass.

sgtbaker · 8th March 2012, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by bluesjnr

Despite the fact that she clearly assaulted him first.

He'd be hard pushed to claim he was acting in self defence but she instigated the physical violence.

She should have left, taken the kids and phoned the police when he pulls his first strop and kicks out at stuff next to the telly but no, she sticks around and decides to go toe to toe with an obvious moron.

Of course hindsight is 20/20 vision!

The reason why 'hindsight is 20/20,' rings so true is because people tend to live in the moment. When tempers flare, you arent always thinking 20 steps ahead. That's why fights escalate, most of the time, over stupid things. You get tunnel vision, lose sight of what's important, and it becomes about winning.

I gave it a test by imagining that was a smaller man instead of a woman and I think it's just as appauling. The only difference would be, I suspect a lot of people here, who've experienced bullying and intimidation like that, would commend the little guy for attempting to defend himself. There's already a hypersensitivity to the issue of male and female expectations (understandably so) but this situation appears to be more about disproportions than female vs male.

Aepervius · 8th March 2012, 10:01 AM

Firstly look staged to me. They are in the center of the camera the whole time. A camera set to film nothing special on a fix position.

Secondely, it does not matter if this is a man or a woman. Equality of gender and so on. Neither had the right to punch or slap the other. He is not "more" of a scum because he is a man. If the gender had been reversed, the puncher would still be the scum.

bookitty · 8th March 2012, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by bluesjnr

It's obvious he knows where the camera is and I suspect that they both agreed to have it running. What the motivation for that would be I can only guess at. I assume that it would be to would be to record any "event" that might occur. Seems they weren't disappointed if I'm right and this suggest that this couple have a history.

She is aggressive from the start

Her - "Muffled... throw all the stuff on the floor"

Him - "No I didn't"

Daughter - "He didn't"

Him - "Thank you Eileen"

Her - "You need to leave Sean/John seriously dude you need to leave, you need to go"

She then, having recognised that he "needs to go", continues to needle an obviously emotional and now violent man. She puts herself in harms way for no good reason and fails to consider the kids. She could have and should have handled this better

He is past redemption and has serious control issues. To allow his children to see him strike their mother like this is reprehensible.

I have heard of people who are divorcing/legally separating filming each room as stuff is removed from the house. This is supposed to help in court later when stuff is divided. There is no way of knowing if that is why they are filming but it is one option.

The other is that the entire film is out-of-context footage for anger management training/campaign against domestic violence, etc. This situation is pretty textbook. A dysfunctional relationship in which physical aggression has become the norm which has been been building until there is severe harm. People involved in relationships like these may have a difficult time identifying the actions which lead to harmful aggression.

Ixion · 8th March 2012, 10:19 AM

This video makes me physically ill.

Information Analyst · 8th March 2012, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by bookitty

I have heard of people who are divorcing/legally separating filming each room as stuff is removed from the house. This is supposed to help in court later when stuff is divided. There is no way of knowing if that is why they are filming but it is one option.

The other is that the entire film is out-of-context footage for anger management training/campaign against domestic violence, etc. This situation is pretty textbook. A dysfunctional relationship in which physical aggression has become the norm which has been been building until there is severe harm. People involved in relationships like these may have a difficult time identifying the actions which lead to harmful aggression.

It does look like it's the day he's come to collect all his stuff, but more fool both of them for not having anyone else there. When my brother's ex-wife came round to collect her stuff, I was there with him and our mother, and she arrived with a couple of her friends. It was frosty, but nothing kicked off (she used to physically attack him a lot when they were together, but being very "old school" he just stood there and took it).

bookitty · 8th March 2012, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Aepervius

Firstly look staged to me. They are in the center of the camera the whole time. A camera set to film nothing special on a fix position.

Secondely, it does not matter if this is a man or a woman. Equality of gender and so on. Neither had the right to punch or slap the other. He is not "more" of a scum because he is a man. If the gender had been reversed, the puncher would still be the scum.

Had the genders been reversed but the size difference stayed the same, the larger person would still be scum.

Aepervius · 8th March 2012, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by bookitty

Had the genders been reversed but the size difference stayed the same, the larger person would still be scum.

I disagree here , but that would take a long time to explain. For me the ACT is what makes one a scum. Not the strength of the damage.

bookitty · 8th March 2012, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by Aepervius

I disagree here , but that would take a long time to explain. For me the ACT is what makes one a scum. Not the strength of the damage.

So a 100 pound person who makes a half-hearted slap toward someone's face is as culpable as the 200 pound person who responds by breaking their nose? Sort of the same way a person who shoplifts a candy bar is as guilty as someone who robs a bank?

TubbaBlubba · 8th March 2012, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by bookitty

Had the genders been reversed but the size difference stayed the same, the larger person would still be scum.

Size difference doesn't have to be relevant. A woman (of typical size) is certainly capable of injuring a man (of typical size), especially if society has conditioned the man to not hit women. In the video, however, the man is clearly acting in an aggressive manner, which is not to be condoned.

bookitty · 8th March 2012, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by TubbaBlubba

Size difference doesn't have to be relevant. A woman (of typical size) is certainly capable of injuring a man (of typical size), especially if society has conditioned the man to not hit women. In the video, however, the man is clearly acting in an aggressive manner, which is not to be condoned.

You know I hear this a lot but I don't agree. The average woman is about 5'4" to the 5'9" of the average guy. That's a lot more upper body strength and a build that is better suited to using it. I'm nearly 5'10" and I wouldn't get into the ring with a 5'4" guy who was pissed off at me, even if we were the same level of amateur.

I've also dragged/carried/otherwise-escorted women my size or smaller from the bar who fought the whole way. Aside from a few missing pieces of hair and the occasional small bruise, I've been none the worse for wear. On the very few occasions when the bouncer couldn't deal with the smaller guy, I've gotten hurt. (A sprained shoulder, black eye and sucker-punch to the gut that left me gasping.)

The average man and the average woman are not equal in upper body strength.

Xulld · 8th March 2012, 11:27 AM

Bookitty. Culpability, and guilt have nothing to do with capability. The severity of punishment however can.

On the capability front, I have taught women self defense classes, technique is far more important than size. In fact size can be used against you.

In this video you have two people who are both equally guilty, equally culpable, and equally stupid. However the severity of punishment should be related to the severity of damages.

This is true on all legal fronts here in the US. The outcomes are often biased, but the law itself does not make such distinctions for guilt and culpability. The act is what dictates those facets of law.

TubbaBlubba · 8th March 2012, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by bookitty

You know I hear this a lot but I don't agree. The average woman is about 5'4" to the 5'9" of the average guy. That's a lot more upper body strength and a build that is better suited to using it. I'm nearly 5'10" and I wouldn't get into the ring with a 5'4" guy who was pissed off at me, even if we were the same level of amateur.

I've also dragged/carried/otherwise-escorted women my size or smaller from the bar who fought the whole way. Aside from a few missing pieces of hair and the occasional small bruise, I've been none the worse for wear. On the very few occasions when the bouncer couldn't deal with the smaller guy, I've gotten hurt. (A sprained shoulder, black eye and sucker-punch to the gut that left me gasping.)

The average man and the average woman are not equal in upper body strength.

I understand what you are saying but it's beside the point. Even a pretty small woman is strong enough to seriously injure a guy, especially if he isn't prepared for it and is not an aggressive person.

Belz... · 8th March 2012, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Aepervius

He is not "more" of a scum because he is a man.

No, he's more of a scum because he can probably kill her if he's not careful, and he wasn't careful.

lionking · 8th March 2012, 11:37 AM

The man is scum. Pushing or even slapping does not justify a punch. Court beckons.

Safe-Keeper · 8th March 2012, 11:39 AM

Quote:

The average man and the average woman are not equal in upper body strength.

That's pretty transparent, isn't it? If it's size and body strength is really what counts, you'd be far better off just saying that you shouldn't hit those smaller than you and leave gender out of the discussion entirely.

8th March 2012, 07:27 AM	#1
Valkyrie144 Thinker Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 135	Man punches woman over playstation disturbing- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crlNOMGfBBg
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8th March 2012, 07:35 AM	#3
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8th March 2012, 07:35 AM	#4
sgtbaker Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,551	Did she hit him? It looked like she was pushing him away but he kept insisting that she punched him first. Either way, those poor kids!
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8th March 2012, 07:39 AM	#6
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tarrytown, NY Posts: 26,433	Originally Posted by Valkyrie144 Can this man get away with this since she slapped him first I wonder? Of course not women are allowed to hit men, it is only the reverse that is wrong.
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8th March 2012, 07:45 AM	#7
sgtbaker Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,551	Originally Posted by Ryokan Looks like she tried slapping him. But not anything like he does, a proper hard punch in the face. They were both being idiots, at least from what we can see in the video. And in front of the kids too. I wonder why they were filming it... I keep thinking the same thing, it's a playstation, for crying out loud. Fight about it later, when tempers have cooled down.
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8th March 2012, 07:32 AM	#2
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 8,198	I was planning to make a joke about not touching a man's Playstation, but not after actually seeing the video.. What an ass hole.

8th March 2012, 07:38 AM	#5
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 8,198	Originally Posted by sgtbaker Did she hit him? Looks like she tried slapping him. But not anything like he does, a proper hard punch in the face. They were both being idiots, at least from what we can see in the video. And in front of the kids too. I wonder why they were filming it...

8th March 2012, 07:46 AM	#8
Valkyrie144 Thinker Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 135	I get the feeling it was being filmed because possibly she was told to ? But then again, he knew about the camera. She should have never slapped him..that was wrong and probably infuriated him. But he should have never hit her. God that looked horrible
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8th March 2012, 07:53 AM	#9
sgtbaker Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,551	Originally Posted by Valkyrie144 I get the feeling it was being filmed because possibly she was told to ? But then again, he knew about the camera. She should have never slapped him..that was wrong and probably infuriated him. But he should have never hit her. God that looked horrible I hate to come into her defense because she did slap him first but he was physically intimidating her. I watched him expanding his elbows while he was stepping up to her and it looks like he poked her in the chest right before her first attempt to slap him. She tried to push him out of her face and then landed a slap. Call it sexist but he was bullying her and she responded. That's how it looked on the video.
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8th March 2012, 07:53 AM	#10
Carnivore Salad Dodger Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 1,384	The male refused to leave after told to and after being informed that the woman was about to call the police to remove him. He used violence to physically intimidate the woman and initiated the physical confrontation. He hugely escalated the violence to totally disproportionate and unnecessary levels. He is scum that belongs in a cage.
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Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details... Posts: 28,530	Originally Posted by Valkyrie144 Can this man get away with this since she slapped him first I wonder? I don't know. He's twice her size, though. If someone hits me, I might be tempted to hit back, but damn, man, there's not much she can do to you. Chill.
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8th March 2012, 08:07 AM	#12
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8th March 2012, 08:09 AM	#13
The Central Scrutinizer Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The White Zone Posts: 42,278	Originally Posted by sgtbaker Did she hit him? It looked like she was pushing him away but he kept insisting that she punched him first. Either way, those poor kids! Originally Posted by Ryokan Looks like she tried slapping him. But not anything like he does, a proper hard punch in the face. They were both being idiots, at least from what we can see in the video. And in front of the kids too. I wonder why they were filming it... Originally Posted by sgtbaker I keep thinking the same thing, it's a playstation, for crying out loud. Fight about it later, when tempers have cooled down. From this, a new holiday will be born...A Festivus for the Rest of Us!!!
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8th March 2012, 08:16 AM	#14
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961	Originally Posted by Carnivore The male refused to leave after told to and after being informed that the woman was about to call the police to remove him. He used violence to physically intimidate the woman and initiated the physical confrontation. He hugely escalated the violence to totally disproportionate and unnecessary levels. He is scum that belongs in a cage. This.
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8th March 2012, 08:18 AM	#15
bluesjnr Professional Nemesis for Hire Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Not where I should be. Posts: 2,167	Originally Posted by Carnivore The male refused to leave after told to and after being informed that the woman was about to call the police to remove him. He used violence to physically intimidate the woman and initiated the physical confrontation. He hugely escalated the violence to totally disproportionate and unnecessary levels. He is scum that belongs in a cage. Despite the fact that she clearly assaulted him first. He'd be hard pushed to claim he was acting in self defence but she instigated the physical violence. She should have left, taken the kids and phoned the police when he pulls his first strop and kicks out at stuff next to the telly but no, she sticks around and decides to go toe to toe with an obvious moron. Of course hindsight is 20/20 vision!
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8th March 2012, 08:21 AM	#16
Silly Green Monkey Cowardly Lurking in the Shadows of Greatness Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,046	And he carries off everything there and the police just shrug.

8th March 2012, 08:23 AM	#17
bluesjnr Professional Nemesis for Hire Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Not where I should be. Posts: 2,167	Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey And he carries off everything there and the police just shrug. Where did you see this happen?
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Babbylonian Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lake Oswego, OR Posts: 4,486	He didn't punch her over a Playstation. He punched her because he's a violent *******. I suspect the reason it was caught on tape is that she decided to get proof of that fact.
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NoahFence Psycho Kitty Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 9,324	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle Of course not women are allowed to hit men, it is only the reverse that is wrong. That's exactly right.
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8th March 2012, 08:30 AM	#20
Spyke Critical Thinker Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PEI,Canada Posts: 320	********* ********..right in front of the kids too. The sounds of those poor kids.. Damn why did I watch that? I'm furious now. Big tough guy pounding his woman. I have to get away from this thread. This sort of thing opens doors to stuff that I hoped I had under control.
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8th March 2012, 08:39 AM	#22
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Third in line Posts: 14,892	Originally Posted by bluesjnr Despite the fact that she clearly assaulted him first. He'd be hard pushed to claim he was acting in self defence but she instigated the physical violence. Actually, he did when he kicked the TV right next to her. It's pretty blatant that her "slap" was an attempt to fend him off when he started crowding her aggressively.
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8th March 2012, 08:40 AM	#23
bluesjnr Professional Nemesis for Hire Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Not where I should be. Posts: 2,167	Originally Posted by Babbylonian He didn't punch her over a Playstation. He punched her because he's a violent *******. I suspect the reason it was caught on tape is that she decided to get proof of that fact. It's obvious he knows where the camera is and I suspect that they both agreed to have it running. What the motivation for that would be I can only guess at. I assume that it would be to would be to record any "event" that might occur. Seems they weren't disappointed if I'm right and this suggest that this couple have a history. She is aggressive from the start Her - "Muffled... throw all the stuff on the floor" Him - "No I didn't" Daughter - "He didn't" Him - "Thank you Eileen" Her - "You need to leave Sean/John seriously dude you need to leave, you need to go" She then, having recognised that he "needs to go", continues to needle an obviously emotional and now violent man. She puts herself in harms way for no good reason and fails to consider the kids. She could have and should have handled this better He is past redemption and has serious control issues. To allow his children to see him strike their mother like this is reprehensible.
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8th March 2012, 08:47 AM	#24
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,102	Originally Posted by Ryokan I wonder why they were filming it... So they could be famous! They're the stars of their trailer park now.

8th March 2012, 08:48 AM	#25
Safe-Keeper Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sogndal, Norway Posts: 7,117	Quote: She should have never slapped him..that was wrong and probably infuriated him. But he should have never hit her. God that looked horrible Agree to a degree. You should be able to solve conflicts without violence, and once you start something it might escalate. Goes for both males and females. Then again, I have no idea why she slapped him in the first place. Might as well have been an attempt to calm him down by intimidation. Quote: DONT EVER HIT WOMEN. NOT EVER. Okay, since it's Women's Day I'm going to let that one pass.

8th March 2012, 09:44 AM	#26
sgtbaker Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,551	Originally Posted by bluesjnr Despite the fact that she clearly assaulted him first. He'd be hard pushed to claim he was acting in self defence but she instigated the physical violence. She should have left, taken the kids and phoned the police when he pulls his first strop and kicks out at stuff next to the telly but no, she sticks around and decides to go toe to toe with an obvious moron. Of course hindsight is 20/20 vision! The reason why 'hindsight is 20/20,' rings so true is because people tend to live in the moment. When tempers flare, you arent always thinking 20 steps ahead. That's why fights escalate, most of the time, over stupid things. You get tunnel vision, lose sight of what's important, and it becomes about winning. I gave it a test by imagining that was a smaller man instead of a woman and I think it's just as appauling. The only difference would be, I suspect a lot of people here, who've experienced bullying and intimidation like that, would commend the little guy for attempting to defend himself. There's already a hypersensitivity to the issue of male and female expectations (understandably so) but this situation appears to be more about disproportions than female vs male.
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8th March 2012, 10:01 AM	#27
Aepervius Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bierland. I mean , germany. Posts: 7,761	Firstly look staged to me. They are in the center of the camera the whole time. A camera set to film nothing special on a fix position. Secondely, it does not matter if this is a man or a woman. Equality of gender and so on. Neither had the right to punch or slap the other. He is not "more" of a scum because he is a man. If the gender had been reversed, the puncher would still be the scum.
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8th March 2012, 10:16 AM	#28
bookitty Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,532	Originally Posted by bluesjnr It's obvious he knows where the camera is and I suspect that they both agreed to have it running. What the motivation for that would be I can only guess at. I assume that it would be to would be to record any "event" that might occur. Seems they weren't disappointed if I'm right and this suggest that this couple have a history. She is aggressive from the start Her - "Muffled... throw all the stuff on the floor" Him - "No I didn't" Daughter - "He didn't" Him - "Thank you Eileen" Her - "You need to leave Sean/John seriously dude you need to leave, you need to go" She then, having recognised that he "needs to go", continues to needle an obviously emotional and now violent man. She puts herself in harms way for no good reason and fails to consider the kids. She could have and should have handled this better He is past redemption and has serious control issues. To allow his children to see him strike their mother like this is reprehensible. I have heard of people who are divorcing/legally separating filming each room as stuff is removed from the house. This is supposed to help in court later when stuff is divided. There is no way of knowing if that is why they are filming but it is one option. The other is that the entire film is out-of-context footage for anger management training/campaign against domestic violence, etc. This situation is pretty textbook. A dysfunctional relationship in which physical aggression has become the norm which has been been building until there is severe harm. People involved in relationships like these may have a difficult time identifying the actions which lead to harmful aggression.
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8th March 2012, 10:19 AM	#29
Ixion Inquiring Mind Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,287	This video makes me physically ill.
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8th March 2012, 10:41 AM	#30
Information Analyst Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,099	Originally Posted by bookitty I have heard of people who are divorcing/legally separating filming each room as stuff is removed from the house. This is supposed to help in court later when stuff is divided. There is no way of knowing if that is why they are filming but it is one option. The other is that the entire film is out-of-context footage for anger management training/campaign against domestic violence, etc. This situation is pretty textbook. A dysfunctional relationship in which physical aggression has become the norm which has been been building until there is severe harm. People involved in relationships like these may have a difficult time identifying the actions which lead to harmful aggression. It does look like it's the day he's come to collect all his stuff, but more fool both of them for not having anyone else there. When my brother's ex-wife came round to collect her stuff, I was there with him and our mother, and she arrived with a couple of her friends. It was frosty, but nothing kicked off (she used to physically attack him a lot when they were together, but being very "old school" he just stood there and took it).

8th March 2012, 10:47 AM	#31
bookitty Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,532	Originally Posted by Aepervius Firstly look staged to me. They are in the center of the camera the whole time. A camera set to film nothing special on a fix position. Secondely, it does not matter if this is a man or a woman. Equality of gender and so on. Neither had the right to punch or slap the other. He is not "more" of a scum because he is a man. If the gender had been reversed, the puncher would still be the scum. Had the genders been reversed but the size difference stayed the same, the larger person would still be scum.
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8th March 2012, 10:58 AM	#32
Aepervius Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bierland. I mean , germany. Posts: 7,761	Originally Posted by bookitty Had the genders been reversed but the size difference stayed the same, the larger person would still be scum. I disagree here , but that would take a long time to explain. For me the ACT is what makes one a scum. Not the strength of the damage.
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8th March 2012, 11:03 AM	#33
bookitty Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,532	Originally Posted by Aepervius I disagree here , but that would take a long time to explain. For me the ACT is what makes one a scum. Not the strength of the damage. So a 100 pound person who makes a half-hearted slap toward someone's face is as culpable as the 200 pound person who responds by breaking their nose? Sort of the same way a person who shoplifts a candy bar is as guilty as someone who robs a bank?
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8th March 2012, 11:05 AM	#34
TubbaBlubba Knave of the Dudes Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Communist Kingdom of Sweden Posts: 7,415	Originally Posted by bookitty Had the genders been reversed but the size difference stayed the same, the larger person would still be scum. Size difference doesn't have to be relevant. A woman (of typical size) is certainly capable of injuring a man (of typical size), especially if society has conditioned the man to not hit women. In the video, however, the man is clearly acting in an aggressive manner, which is not to be condoned.
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8th March 2012, 11:15 AM	#35
bookitty Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,532	Originally Posted by TubbaBlubba Size difference doesn't have to be relevant. A woman (of typical size) is certainly capable of injuring a man (of typical size), especially if society has conditioned the man to not hit women. In the video, however, the man is clearly acting in an aggressive manner, which is not to be condoned. You know I hear this a lot but I don't agree. The average woman is about 5'4" to the 5'9" of the average guy. That's a lot more upper body strength and a build that is better suited to using it. I'm nearly 5'10" and I wouldn't get into the ring with a 5'4" guy who was pissed off at me, even if we were the same level of amateur. I've also dragged/carried/otherwise-escorted women my size or smaller from the bar who fought the whole way. Aside from a few missing pieces of hair and the occasional small bruise, I've been none the worse for wear. On the very few occasions when the bouncer couldn't deal with the smaller guy, I've gotten hurt. (A sprained shoulder, black eye and sucker-punch to the gut that left me gasping.) The average man and the average woman are not equal in upper body strength.
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